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I don´t know if this was already posted: How Heuer vises are made:

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I don´t know if this was already posted: How Heuer vises are made:

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Interesting production, I expected that they work at smaller scale. Considering they don't really make much else, they have a fair bit of automation.
 

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Hello again all! I finally got my hands on an old German made Belzer No. 7750 rat today, that dates all the way back to the 1960's. I gotta tell ya, these German made pieces have really peaked my interest recently. I really wanted to see just how close these were to Snap-On's F-71. So I tore into it, and my suspicions were confirmed. It not only does share component compatibility with the Snap-On F-71 model, it's practically it's clone as well! Just out of curiosity, to test my theory I installed every component, except for the bushing, but the gear, pawl & coverplate, all drop in perfectly into the 7750 head and work exactly just like an F-71 would. The parts dimensions are identical! Makes sense beings the two rats are practically twins from another mother...haha! Besides some altered cosmetic differences, and a slightly heavier overall profile on the 7750, you would think they were related! The 7750 has seen a good amount of use, so has this F-71. The 7750 parts are worn, and have chipped teeth, both on the wheel and on the pawl. So much that it does skip at a couple places. I am considering rebuilding the 7750 with a repair kit, problem is there really aren't a whole lot of choices out there when it comes to replacement parts for this 7750. I'm going to experiment with the Stahlwille 435 kit. I think the parts from that rat will work? Here is a few photos of the two side by side. You can obviously see the cosmetic similarities they share with each other. The 4th photo is a internal comparison of the two, even the internals really do look alike. Thanks and enjoy! -JS
So, a little continuation tonight on my story to this Belzer No.7750 ratchet. After a little debacle I got into today with the pawl ball, and playing with mixing and matching ratchet parts for the past week and a half, I decided to go with using the Stahlwille 435 parts to repair this old Belzer, beings there aren't any Belzer repair kits out there for any Belzer's anywhere these days! So we'll have to use what we can, and make it work. I will have to do a couple modifications for it to work. Unfortunately, it's already been altered somewhat anyway, so keeping it in it's all original state has already went out the window... and past the point of no return. But in the end it will be the only known Belzer 7750 being powered with Stahlwille 435 internals. Should be an interesting refit! And basically the parts between the two are pretty close right off the bat. I did manage to acquire a 435 rat and also a repair kit for parts to use as a comparison to the Belzer. I was even able to fit the Belzer's internals into the 435... well mostly... haha. So, that's where we are tonight, just in time to start a new week. Thanks all and goodnight!✌️
 

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I don´t know if this was already posted: How Heuer vises are made:

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Three hundred euros for the 180mm vise. Same thing, but made here, would cost you $2000. They're obviously doing something right.
 

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For Germans a Spanner is something totally different. :)
Won't comment it further, and I'm not German anyway, indeed there are quite some words which are only used in the Swiss "high" German, OTOH Swiss German is quite specific and many Germans don't understand it.

Shame on me as I don't even know how many tools are called in English (it's my 3rd language anyway but I'd exchange my accentless French for a perfect American English any time but the accentless German/Swiss German I must keep! :) ).


The Heuer wises are very good but here you find a lot of Swiss Made ones by Gressel, high quality but very expensive. At least the old ones, barely saw any new one as they're impossible to kill. I suppose they're still top notch.
 

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For Germans a Spanner is something totally different. :)
Won't comment it further, and I'm not German anyway, indeed there are quite some words which are only used in the Swiss "high" German, OTOH Swiss German is quite specific and many Germans don't understand it.

Shame on me as I don't even know how many tools are called in English (it's my 3rd language anyway but I'd exchange my accentless French for a perfect American English any time but the accentless German/Swiss German I must keep! :) ).


The Heuer wises are very good but here you find a lot of Swiss Made ones by Gressel, high quality but very expensive. At least the old ones, barely saw any new one as they're impossible to kill. I suppose they're still top notch.
For those in the U.S. who are unaware of Gressel, I can vouch for the quality.

The majority of their output are machine vices. I bought a jig boring machine for my company some years back, and it came fitted with a Gressel vice, which was superb. Should have removed it and kept it, but you live and learn!

Gressel make some beautiful, but small, bench vices. Very “Swiss” if you know what I mean (no offence to SwissMetric) - the sort of thing you hold an expensive widget in before stripping it with your PB Swiss screwdriver then filing it with your Vallorbe Valtitan needle file…

I don’t personally consider these expensive. Looks like they sell for about 400 to 800 Euro’s, depending on size.
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Great comparison pics. And I thought only HF made carbon copies :ROFLMAO: Ok, yeah, Belzer did go far out on a limb and add an extra machined cut on the handle :LOL:.
Thanks Steve_P, yeah the similarities between the two are remarkable! And really the only component which doesn't fit the Belzer (when the F-71 parts are installed into the Belzer), is the F-71's 5/32" pawl ball bearing, which is a hair larger than the Belzer's bearing. But now this particular Belzer 7750, will take the larger 5/32" bearing, as I unfortunately had to expand the Belzer's spring hole to accept the larger bearing. But that's fine, because this 7750 has already been altered somewhat anyway. The new bearing from the Stahlwille 435 kit is also 5/32", so it works out pretty well! All that is left as of right now, is to clean up the edge of the larger spring hole in the Belzer. Then with the Belzer head, I will also have to expand the pawl receptical bore on the selector side to Stahlwille's 5/16" bore hole size, in order for the Stahlwille 435 pawl to seat inside the Belzer's pawl cradle, whereas Belzer's selector bore was only about a 1/4". And so goes the progress... it is a work in progress!👍-JS
 

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For those in the U.S. who are unaware of Gressel, I can vouch for the quality.

The majority of their output are machine vices.
Even 40 years old sort of golden/yellowish Gressel machine wises can still be amazing if not abused. They were usually more precise than advertised and with some you could easily adjust the force with an Allen key.
There are course many types but even the quite basic ones were extremely well built... and heavy.

BTW Sadly Fribosa went bankrupt recently (2022 or 2023?). Machines and stock were sold by Surplex.
 

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Even 40 years old sort of golden/yellowish Gressel machine wises can still be amazing if not abused. They were usually more precise than advertised and with some you could easily adjust the force with an Allen key.
There are course many types but even the quite basic ones were extremely well built... and heavy.

BTW Sadly Fribosa went bankrupt recently (2022 or 2023?). Machines and stock were sold by Surplex.
Gressel are really nice but about on the same level as the German Leinen and Schlegel designs. Out of these styles, I like the Schlegel EMF the most for the really massive and smooth front jaw support (though hollow). Leinen still makes them too (sell a lot through Hoffmann, sometimes branded as Garant). I think Gressel still fills the very small niche in Switzerland for domestic made vises (and the Swiss really like to buy domestic made products) but they probably make very few per year, possibly even only starting production every second or third year just to keep them in their catalogue. I'm sure it is mainly aimed at machine shops to buy them together with the mill vises (which are really top notch).

Given the choice, I think I still wouldn't trade my Heuer for one. Both are brilliant but the Gressel style is ubiquitous here in central Europe. but since it's Garagejournal, I admit I'd love to have both :)
 

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Gressel are really nice but about on the same level as the German Leinen and Schlegel designs. Out of these styles, I like the Schlegel EMF the most for the really massive and smooth front jaw support (though hollow). Leinen still makes them too (sell a lot through Hoffmann, sometimes branded as Garant). I think Gressel still fills the very small niche in Switzerland for domestic made vises (and the Swiss really like to buy domestic made products) but they probably make very few per year, possibly even only starting production every second or third year just to keep them in their catalogue. I'm sure it is mainly aimed at machine shops to buy them together with the mill vises (which are really top notch).

Given the choice, I think I still wouldn't trade my Heuer for one. Both are brilliant but the Gressel style is ubiquitous here in central Europe. but since it's Garagejournal, I admit I'd love to have both :)
Any photos of these that you are describing?
 

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New member here
Recently acquired NOS vbw wrenches
 

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I found this Bahco double-ender adjustable/alligator wrench this morning with a rather unfortunate 90* angle bend in it. Forged-in markings are V-STEEL, 8", 31, MADE IN SWEDEN on one side, and AB BAHCO STOCKHOLM on the other, with a smaller VOLVO near the thumbscrew. Does anyone know when it was made? Also, is my deduction that it was in a Volvo car kit correct?
Found his brother, without Peroni's, a few weeks back
Volvo AB BAHCO Stockholm 220
V Steel 8" BAHCO 31 Made in Sweden
Adjustable Alligator combination wrench

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Found these for 1-1.5eur/pcs
Lux Tools made in Germany, probably made by Felo
I'v used only PZ1 and I think that Unior have better tips
I have seen Lux at a big box store, like Bauhaus. I assumed they were a in house brand. Not the greatest quality. Kind of like Home Depot and Husky.
 

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Any photos of these that you are describing?
This would be the Schlegel EMF:

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I like the design of the full rounded front jaw support.

And here is a typical Leinen:

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Very similar. Some also came with that full bottom support but it is more typical for the Schlegel. Schlegel also made them in this Leinen style sometimes.

Also as an extra - a Slovenian made NIV visa, they're about 200 EUR for a decently sized brand new one. I think about half the cost of the German ones.


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Bison in Poland probably makes something similar as well.
 

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I have seen Lux at a big box store, like Bauhaus. I assumed they were a in house brand. Not the greatest quality. Kind of like Home Depot and Husky.
LuxTools are OBI in house brand but they have 3 categories, classic, comfort and professional. I think they are made by Felo but I'm not sure.Professional line of pliers are made by NWS.
 

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So, a little continuation tonight on my story to this Belzer No.7750 ratchet. After a little debacle I got into today with the pawl ball, and playing with mixing and matching ratchet parts for the past week and a half, I decided to go with using the Stahlwille 435 parts to repair this old Belzer, beings there aren't any Belzer repair kits out there for any Belzer's anywhere these days! So we'll have to use what we can, and make it work. I will have to do a couple modifications for it to work. Unfortunately, it's already been altered somewhat anyway, so keeping it in it's all original state has already went out the window... and past the point of no return. But in the end it will be the only known Belzer 7750 being powered with Stahlwille 435 internals. Should be an interesting refit! And basically the parts between the two are pretty close right off the bat. I did manage to acquire a 435 rat and also a repair kit for parts to use as a comparison to the Belzer. I was even able to fit the Belzer's internals into the 435... well mostly... haha. So, that's where we are tonight, just in time to start a new week. Thanks all and goodnight!✌️
So here it is finished...at least as of today. It turned out afterall I didn't go with using the complete Stahlwille 435 repair kit, instead I only used the plate screws. This build took alittle longer than I had expected, because I made one part literally by hand! Which ended up being "the pawl/plate bushing adapter" (you will see in the photos, by the way), took me close to 4 hours to hand file & sand until it was the perfect size. I ordered a stock bushing size from McMaster-Carr, shaved it down to meet the needs of the size I needed...all done by hand! The rest of the components in this Belzer No.7750 are Snap-On...at least as of now. The gearwheel, pawl, spring & bearing are from a F-71 rat, though they remarkably resemble the Belzer internals very closely as I previously mentioned before. But the reason I didn't go with using the Stahlwille 435 kit was because I would of had to ream out and expand the selector inlet bore for the pawl, from 1/4" to 5/16"...and I just wasn't comfortable doing that, because once done, it won't be able to be undone. Maybe if someday I would be in a "I just don't give a" mood... then possibly I would install the entire Stahlwille kit. But for now, it's going to remain unmolested, and repaired with a F-71 crescent pawl. The Stahlwille screws are perfect, as they not only are the same thread, but fit perfectly as well! I did also make a pair of screw spacers as well, to raise up the screw heads a bit. Because it appears that when the screw holes were drilled at time of production, they were drilled down about 1/16" too deep, as they start to go into the gear and pawl cradle inside the head just a bit. As for the remaining components, they're original Belzer. The selector & plate were kept original, even though a F-71 plate fits perfectly in the Belzer head, I would not of been able to use the Stahlwille screws in conjunction with F-71 plate, different threads. I would of had to use F-71 screws with the F-71 plate. Using the Belzer plate allows the use the Stahlwille screws. So that was my latest project! These Belzer's are tough to find here in the States, and when they do pop up occasionally, they don't stay for long! It may be another year until I can find another one of these 7750's. You can definitely notice that harder Vanadium Extra content in the steel...pretty tough stuff! Anyway...enjoy guys and good day!👍-JS
 

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LuxTools are OBI in house brand but they have 3 categories, classic, comfort and professional. I think they are made by Felo but I'm not sure.Professional line of pliers are made by NWS.
I have seen Lux at a big box store, like Bauhaus. I assumed they were a in house brand. Not the greatest quality. Kind of like Home Depot and Husky.

I used to have their bit set, I think it's not longer available. Stahlwille looks quite similar :). They probably used the same suppliers which honestly surprised me.
 

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Ruko "Ultimatecut" drill bits with "Flowstep" tip.

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Nice set!
Looks like ruko might be OEM for similar (if not same) drill bits from Würth?!
 

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Nice set!
Looks like ruko might be OEM for similar (if not same) drill bits from Würth?!
Very likely, Ruko is well known and Würth does not really manufacture much at all.
 
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Good choice
i hope so :)
I used to have their bit set, I think it's not longer available. Stahlwille looks quite similar :). They probably used the same suppliers which honestly surprised me.
Made in China....


Probably made by Arno. They have been making straps since 1942!
Made by Fasty

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Nice set!
Looks like ruko might be OEM for similar (if not same) drill bits from Würth?!
maybe...there are dozens of brands/companies who offer these step drill bits nowadays....Ruko, Exact, Würth, Projahn Prostep, Tornado, Garant, Bohrcraft Turbostep, Amboss, Alfa, Forum......
 
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Got hold of some NOS KJ Eriksson knife blades, i'm going to try to make some nice handles for them. Bought two carbon steel ones and two stainless ones. The brand KJ Eriksson disappeared in 2005 and then became what is today Morakniv. The stainless they used should be according to my research Sandvik 12C27M. These ones are probably made in the 90's. They had some rust specs witch i have already polished of.

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maybe...there are dozens of brands/companies who offer these step drill bits nowadays....Ruko, Exact, Würth, Projahn Prostep, Tornado, Garant, Bohrcraft Turbostep, Amboss, Alfa, Forum......
Great, didn't know that (last time I saw that was few years ago), thank you for info!
 
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