Tools from the old world

[Monte]

<b><u>Sunflag (Japan) 4 Way Offset Screwdriver

nice little tool !!

Monte....No Facom combination pliers? Just found a box of old "Black series" Facom pliers I forgot were here (made in France). I also have some Wiha units I like.

The black ones look purdy !!
I only have Facom side cutters which will be featured altogether with Wiha sidecutters in a sidecutters video

@Monte: Thanks for all videos!

btw.: the worlds first cordless magnetic core drill:

 

[north]

*snip*

I made a video for you of the Atlas grinder,*snip*

Ear protection? Real men don't need no stinkin ear protection due to being half deaf from not wearing ear protection. You see?

Safety googles? Learn to squint man!

What's with the mask? Real men spits black stuff from the bottom of their lungs.

Gloves? You're missing out on all the fun of pulling out burnt in metal pieces from your hand.

Pfft. Trust The Force Lu...err... Monte.

Shame on you. Lost all respect for you I have!











Thanks a lot for your contribution my man.

 

[Monte]

I don´t need all that stuff it´s just to hide my ugly face !!!! oh and the gloves are because it was 0 degree celsius





Some more vids


Fein WSG 13-70 E angle grinder

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Suhner UWC 7 angle grinder

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Suhner UWC 20-R mini angle grinder

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[Monte]

@Monte : Impressive Flex polisher , definatly on my wish list.

You can´t go wrong with Flex i think. At least they can´t be that bad because even a "high end" company like Festool offers a flex polisher...
In car polishing forums you read a lot about Flex too.

 

[ultgar]

Interesting! I know detailers who have been using Flex polishers for years. Festool is introducing the new Shinex 150 polisher here in the states in 2 weeks (its been available in Europe for quite some time) and there is a strong similarity to the Flex unit. SD

 

[servito]

For the tightest spots, an Anex #2 phillips slim offset screwdriver is way shorter than the Sunflag screwdriver:

But can be that shallow bit useful with a Phillips screw?
I ask this because pillips bits tend to "cam out" off the screw so easily, than you need to put some force longitudinal to the screw; and after seeing that screwdriver, it seems difficult to put torque to the screw.

 

[Monte]

Interesting! I know detailers who have been using Flex polishers for years. Festool is introducing the new Shinex 150 polisher here in the states in 2 weeks (its been available in Europe for quite some time) and there is a strong similarity to the Flex unit.

The predecessor of the Shinex, the RAP 150.03 E was supplied by Suhner.

I don´t know about the new Festool i think it came out april ´09 (?) , the Flex is brand new. But if the Shinex is now "Festool made" or supplied by Flex or vice versa i don´t know.
There are some similarities but i guess this time Festool made their own machine (?) and the Flex tool is the response from Flex (the motor housing from Flex looks also like Flex)

 

[american lockpicker]

Monte....No Facom combination pliers? Just found a box of old "Black series" Facom pliers I forgot were here (made in France). I also have some Wiha units I like.

Interesting. I'll buy a pair next month.

 

[mofo62]

The predecessor of the Shinex, the RAP 150.03 E was supplied by Suhner.

I don´t know about the new Festool i think it came out april ´09 (?) , the Flex is brand new. But if the Shinex is now "Festool made" or supplied by Flex or vice versa i don´t know.
There are some similarities but i guess this time Festool made their own machine (?) and the Flex tool is the response from Flex (the motor housing from Flex looks also like Flex)

OMG! that beautiful

Congratulations!

V!

 

[Monte]

OMG! that beautiful
Congratulations!
V!

sorry not mine ! internet pics !!

 

[Cantause]

Just came across this post and others asking about Halder hammers. As an employee of Halder, Inc. -- the North American office for our parent company in Germany -- I can answer any questions about our top-quality striking tools.

Hi, could you (or someone else) please tell me if Halder produces "FORUM" hammers? From the pictures they're identical, at least the recoil-less hammers I've seen...

Btw, would someone have some informations about "Forum" brand? I'm almost sure I've seen some of their tools in this thread but searching for "forum" on a ... forum, shows a lot of unrelated results

It looks like they rebadge products from good oem like well known brands such as Gedore, Facom,... do.
I'd like to know if their similar products are of same quality.

Thanks.

Some of my latest purchases…
Garant Clamps

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Cool clamps! I guess they're just rebadged Bessey? They look very similar to mines, but probably cheaper

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I have this jigsaw coming

,
What do you people think about the jigsaw?

very nice When you'll have tried it, could you please tell us if the dust blowing system (for the blade) works well? I'm a bit disappointed with this on my GST75, maybe it's just because it's the entry level model...

Suhner UWC 20-R mini angle grinder

It looks so cute But does a really good job from the video you've shown
From what I've seen on Suhner's catalogue it's a 1050W motor, really?

I think I've changed my mind a little bit concerning the Flex angle grinder as the shop selling it for 139€ can't send it to Belgium so now I should have it for 160-165€ delivered from another seller. The other reason is that I want to order some tools from "handwerker-versand.de" (would someone have experiences with buying from them?) and they have Bosch rat tail angle grinders (GWS15-125 CIH) for 185€, so it would cost only 20€ more and it's 1500w instead of 1050w for the Flex, only 400g heavier and the handle seems more ergonomic on the Bosch.

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I've always like the features of that Bosch grinder, I wanted to buy a variable speed 2800-->11000 rpm model (GWS15-125 CIEH) for metal working but I wonder how reliable they are? I've seen on a french welder forum complaints about bosch angle grinder's reliability, but is it really the case or were they abused...
Would someone know if Flex and Bosch are of the same quality concerning angle grinders or if Flex is considerably better?
Prices are quite the same except that Bosch seems to have a more ergonomic design and are more powerful, a bit heavier too...


The tools of this week, Facom T5 trigger locking pliers:

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I have a question for Facom T5 owners, the ones I've received have the top jaw a bit on "the back" of the plier compared to the bottom jaw so the teeth are not really in front of each others (see picture).
I wonder if it's normal (it would be surprising from Facom) or if mine are just "bad days" products or very early T5. They work really well, trigger is smooth, except of this jaws alignment, I doubt they're copies as they come from an Usag dealer and that the finish is excellent.



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[Clarifixer]

I've been using my Emco Super 11 lathe and FB-2 mill (both made in Austria) for 25 years and have had nothing but good results with it. It is not production lathe capable of hogging off 10mm blued chips, but for small intricate work like prototypes, it is very precise and durable. I was lucky to get it with dual metric/SAE dials, but the Mitutoyo digital readout makes that a non-issue, now.

Any other Emco users on the forum?

 

[Monte]

Hi, could you (or someone else) please tell me if Halder produces "FORUM" hammers? From the pictures they're identical, at least the recoil-less hammers I've seen...

i think yes
Forum tools: http://www.union-werkzeuge.de/forum/
(Brand of the "Union" wholesale group) It´s a mix of german/european and imported tools. So you never know what you are actually buying. It depends on the tool. The recoilless hammers look like Halder, the Forum soft face hammers click are "Halder Simplex" hammers.

Cool clamps! I guess they're just rebadged Bessey? They look very similar to mines, but probably cheaper

afaik from "Turnus". A pic of the top of the "solid jaw" could clarify that.

It looks so cute But does a really good job from the video you've shown
From what I've seen on Suhner's catalogue it's a 1050W motor, really?

It´s a "C" Motor (UWC) with 500 watt input (300 Watt output /w. electronics) so its only for light duty work (50mm /2" "Roloc" discs)

I think I've changed my mind a little bit concerning the Flex angle grinder ...

You can´t go wrong with either brand. Bosch usually has a good name in angle grinders, they produce angle grinders for Würth, Berner, BTI as well as Hilti (Bosch version: look at the gear case).
So they can´t be that bad

The tools of this week, Facom T5 trigger locking pliers:

sweet You buy everything in bulk huh ??? The Facom socket sets now the pliers ?? Buy 6 get 7 ????

I have a question for Facom T5 owners, the ones I've received have the top jaw a bit on "the back" of the plier compared to the bottom jaw so the teeth are not really in front of each others (see picture).
I wonder if it's normal (it would be surprising from Facom) or if mine are just "bad days" products or very early T5. They work really well, trigger is smooth, except of this jaws alignment, I doubt they're copies as they come from an Usag dealer and that the finish is excellent.

mine are ok. You can see it in the video too i think. Are all 7 like that ??? hmmm for the price....

 

[ultgar]

The tools of this week, Facom T5 trigger locking pliers:

I have a question for Facom T5 owners, the ones I've received have the top jaw a bit on "the back" of the plier compared to the bottom jaw so the teeth are not really in front of each others (see picture).
I wonder if it's normal (it would be surprising from Facom) or if mine are just "bad days" products or very early T5. They work really well, trigger is smooth, except of this jaws alignment, I doubt they're copies as they come from an Usag dealer and that the finish is excellent.


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I have some old stock (pre-Stanley) of the T5's in module sets. Can you tell me if the ones you received are still made in France?

 

[servito]

Sun motor tester ( One dude in the garage collects old machinery

That old machinery includes that old Volkswagen Käfer?

 

[Cantause]

i think yes
Forum tools: http://www.union-werkzeuge.de/forum/
(Brand of the "Union" wholesale group) It´s a mix of german/european and imported tools. So you never know what you are actually buying. It depends on the tool.

Thanks

Is it a widely available brand in Germany?
It seems like a good value when you can recognize the oem, there is a Forum oiler half the price of the same Facom's, both made by Pressol and it still 20% cheaper than Pressol price. It's the same with hammers, chisels,... I think I'll give a try to Forum this time!
This thread

It´s a "C" Motor (UWC) with 500 watt input (300 Watt output /w. electronics) so its only for light duty work (50mm /2" "Roloc" discs)
.

I thought 1050 watt was a lot, I have probably read the wrong line.
500w still being in another league than the Proxxon long neck grinder (100w), I guess the price is different too, how much cost the Suhner (if you don't mind me asking)?

You can´t go wrong with either brand. Bosch usually has a good name in angle grinders.
So they can´t be that bad

Thanks, I think I'll go for the bosch maybe with variable speed so I could also use it for metal working jobs, I would have prefered to have one only for metal but in a first time it would be 200€ saved for another useful tool!
I was a bit reluctant to go for Bosch after what I had heard about them but I also know that some pros think that because they bought Bosch it should be undestructible and should work like new even after a truck rode on it...

sweet You buy everything in bulk huh ??? The Facom socket sets now the pliers ?? Buy 6 get 7 ????


mine are ok. You can see it in the video too i think. Are all 7 like that ??? hmmm for the price....

Yes, retail is for chumps

No, actually I thought they would be very useful when welding square tubes, L shapes,... But only one was not enough so I thought 4 was a good start, as the seller had 7 left I thought it could give away the 3 others...
None of them have perfectly aligned teeth, the top jaw is always 1/2 tooth (1mm) behind the bottom jaw, I don't think it's a big problem concerning the teeth "grip". What annoys me the most is that the end of the top jaw is 1 mm behind the bottom so in cases where you have only a few mm for the jaws it might be a problem, I'll see.
I paid them 22€ delivered each, it's the reason why I don't really complain, if I had to pay 45€ each I wouldn't be happy

 

[Cantause]

I have some old stock (pre-Stanley) of the T5's in module sets. Can you tell me if the ones you received are still made in France?

Mmmm, as usual nice old stock!

Mine are exactly the same, France stamped at the same place, same shape! however I'd say mine are old stock too, plastic bags had this light, dirty dust, that slowly appears when you store something on a shelf in a warehouse for a long time.
It looks like mine had the pivot hole of the top jaw half machined too much "on the front", everything else seems to be at the right place, jaws, pivot hole of the lower jaw half, axle are straights...

I'll use it like that, it would have been better if they were perfect but the quality/price ratio still ok for me

 

[Monte]

That old machinery includes that old Volkswagen Käfer?

yes
and a old VW Bus

Thanks

Is it a widely available brand in Germany?
It seems like a good value when you can recognize the oem, there is a Forum oiler half the price of the same Facom's, both made by Pressol and it still 20% cheaper than Pressol price. It's the same with hammers, chisels,... I think I'll give a try to Forum this time!
This thread

yes. The tool dealers usually belong to one of these wholesale groups or are wholesalers themself and sell brands like Forum, Format, Promat, Primat, Garant, Holex, Atorn, Fakkt, Factor etc. So you always find these brands together with Hazet or Gedore (etc) at a dealer.

I thought 1050 watt was a lot, I have probably read the wrong line.
500w still being in another league than the Proxxon long neck grinder (100w), I guess the price is different too, how much cost the Suhner (if you don't mind me asking)?

The Suhner 125mm angle grinder UWG 10-R has 1050 Watt input.
The Proxxon tools are more for model building like Revell, Märklin etc. but the 500 watt Suhner tool is for car and metal working. The 2008 list price was 259.- € + tax

Thanks, I think I'll go for the bosch maybe with variable speed so I could also use it for metal working jobs, I would have prefered to have one only for metal but in a first time it would be 200€ saved for another useful tool!
I was a bit reluctant to go for Bosch after what I had heard about them but I also know that some pros think that because they bought Bosch it should be undestructible and should work like new even after a truck rode on it...

hm i don´t know but i think one angle grinder is enough to start with and should get any job done especially at 1500 Watt. For metal + stone working perfect with rat tail handle. For other jobs you might want a smaller light weight "one hand" angle grinder.

Yes, retail is for chumps

ok for 22.- ....ok.... still a lot ...regular locking pliers from "Forum" etc. 10.-€ same size.... They should work for most of the jobs though so i wouldnt worry. You could still buy 1 "normal" pair of locking pliers if you only have 1 mm to clamp....


btw. i think you need a new battery charger

 

[flyingkite]

I love Sea Mail

Birthday present from Australia.

Order was placed on 10/30/2010.

Kudos to folks from http://www.thewoodworks.com.au/

 

[Cantause]

hm i don´t know but i think one angle grinder is enough to start with and should get any job done especially at 1500 Watt. For metal + stone working perfect with rat tail handle. For other jobs you might want a smaller light weight "one hand" angle grinder.

I'll take the variable speed Bosch and use it for all kind of works, maybe later I'll buy a cordless grinder to go with batteries of a GDS18VLIHT impact wrench

However I'm not sure about the model, a few months ago there were two 125mm Bosch variable speed angle grinders on Bosch's website:
-GWS15-125 CIEH, 2800-11000 rpm 1500W (208€)
-GWS15-125 CITH 2800-9300 rpm 1500W (215€)

Now there is only the CITH model, I don't understand why, the CIEH would be an ancient model?
They looked exactly the same from the outside, the output power of the two models are the same (860w), weight,... It look better to be able to go up to 11000 rpm no? maybe with a reduced top speed of 9300 rpm you can regulate the speed more precisely? I don't know...

Btw, while browsing earlier posts of this thread I've seen the deal you told us about the Dako swedish pipe wrenches 3 pieces set. I had to buy one for the plumbing job of next month, I was going for a 55€ 1"1/2 Ironside wrench at the local store, but thanks to your post I bought a 3 pieces set on ebay.de, 67€ delivered, so thank you

btw. i think you need a new battery charger

I already bought one last month, you know it
It's not because I carefully listen to your wise advises that you can make me buy every Facom tools you see
Anyway, I don't think I'd go for Facom, COO?

The C-teks you talked about seems good, but there is also a belgian manufacturer Tecmate, they're oem for Honda motorbike chargers so I guess they're not too bad, they have good reputation in the motorbike world (optimate), but they also do chargers for automotive, marine...

@American Lockpicker:
You asked for belgian electronics brand I think, now you have one, they still produce their chargers here and they're quality products

By the way, to all Facom lovers in the US:

I came accross this buy it now auction for Facom AMEX.3 torx bit socket set (1/2" drive) on ebay.com, they have 5 for sale, 69,99$ delivered in the US (from the US), list price here is 245$ A real bargain!

Just to remind you what it's like, here is a pic of mine:

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[servito]

very nice When you'll have tried it, could you please tell us if the dust blowing system (for the blade) works well? I'm a bit disappointed with this on my GST75, maybe it's just because it's the entry level model...

I will for sure tell you about that feature, but as I have never owned/used a jigsaw, it would be better if I can make a short video to show it, so you can see it yourself; because I could think that blowing system works ok while being not enought for you.

I'll take the variable speed Bosch and use it for all kind of works, maybe later I'll buy a cordless grinder to go with batteries of a GDS18VLIHT impact wrench

However I'm not sure about the model, a few months ago there were two 125mm Bosch variable speed angle grinders on Bosch's website:
-GWS15-125 CIEH, 2800-11000 rpm 1500W (208€)
-GWS15-125 CITH 2800-9300 rpm 1500W (215€)

Now there is only the CITH model, I don't understand why, the CIEH would be an ancient model?
They looked exactly the same from the outside, the output power of the two models are the same (860w), weight,... It look better to be able to go up to 11000 rpm no? maybe with a reduced top speed of 9300 rpm you can regulate the speed more precisely? I don't know...

I don't know either about angle grinders, but the one you want is still on many countries (GWS15-125 CIEH, 2800-11000 rpm 1500W).

I have seen it in France: http://www.bosch-pt.fr/boptocs2-fr/Artisanat/Industrie/Outils/FR/fr/gw/Meuleuses+angulaires+125+mm/101278/index.htm

And in Spain: http://www.bosch-pt.es/boptocs2-es/Industria+de+la+construcción/Herramientas/ES/es/gw/Amoladoras+angulares+pequeñas/101278/index.htm

In Germany too: http://www.bosch-pt.de/boptocs2-de/Handwerk-Industrie/Werkzeuge/DE/de/gw/Kleine+Winkelschleifer/101278/index.htm

In France and Spain, they only show the model you want, but not the other you state, while in Germany they have both.

You can find it on ebay.de: http://shop.ebay.de/?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=GWS15-125+CIEH&_sacat=See-All-Categories

 

[Hazet]

I'll take the variable speed Bosch and use it for all kind of works, maybe later I'll buy a cordless grinder to go with batteries of a GDS18VLIHT impact wrench

However I'm not sure about the model, a few months ago there were two 125mm Bosch variable speed angle grinders on Bosch's website:
-GWS15-125 CIEH, 2800-11000 rpm 1500W (208€)
-GWS15-125 CITH 2800-9300 rpm 1500W (215€)

Now there is only the CITH model, I don't understand why, the CIEH would be an ancient model?
They looked exactly the same from the outside, the output power of the two models are the same (860w), weight,... It look better to be able to go up to 11000 rpm no? maybe with a reduced top speed of 9300 rpm you can regulate the speed more precisely? I don't know...

Btw, while browsing earlier posts of this thread I've seen the deal you told us about the Dako swedish pipe wrenches 3 pieces set. I had to buy one for the plumbing job of next month, I was going for a 55€ 1"1/2 Ironside wrench at the local store, but thanks to your post I bought a 3 pieces set on ebay.de, 67€ delivered, so thank you




I already bought one last month, you know it
It's not because I carefully listen to your wise advises that you can make me buy every Facom tools you see
Anyway, I don't think I'd go for Facom, COO?

The C-teks you talked about seems good, but there is also a belgian manufacturer Tecmate, they're oem for Honda motorbike chargers so I guess they're not too bad, they have good reputation in the motorbike world (optimate), but they also do chargers for automotive, marine...

@American Lockpicker:
You asked for belgian electronics brand I think, now you have one, they still produce their chargers here and they're quality products

By the way, to all Facom lovers in the US:

I came accross this buy it now auction for Facom AMEX.3 torx bit socket set (1/2" drive) on ebay.com, they have 5 for sale, 69,99$ delivered in the US (from the US), list price here is 245$ A real bargain!

Just to remind you what it's like, here is a pic of mine:

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That is a great deal! Makes me want to buy a few

 

[impulse922]

By the way, to all Facom lovers in the US:

I came accross this buy it now auction for Facom AMEX.3 torx bit socket set (1/2" drive) on ebay.com, they have 5 for sale, 69,99$ delivered in the US (from the US), list price here is 245$ A real bargain!

Just to remind you what it's like, here is a pic of mine:

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european companies always have to sell a whole set that is 1/2 drive. WHY!?!

/end rant

 

[Cantause]

european companies always have to sell a whole set that is 1/2 drive. WHY!?!

From what I've seen in auto repair shops here in Belgium, 1/2" drive set is the standard when working on a car, (with 1/4" for small fasteners).
I don't think I've ever seen a 3/8" drive ratchet in a professional shop.
So on a car they use 1/2" drive most of the time, it seems normal to have the bit sockets in 1/2 drive... They keep the 1/4 ratchet for 7,8,10,13 bolts, bigger they take the 1/2"...
It's what I've seen, it's probably different in other places and they may had 3/8" drive somewhere but it's clearly less present.
Tomorrow I'll ask my local tool dealer which drives are the most appreciated

I'm curious to know what square drive sizes combinations are used in other european countries, could member tell us about their local preferences?

 

[ultgar]

Re: Tools from the old world - Drive sizes

For hand ratchets/drivers (not impact), I typically use 1/4" drive for fasteners to 20 ft lbs, 3/8" for 20-50 ft lbs, 1/2" for 30-200 ft lbs and 3/4" drive for 200-600 ft lbs. SD

 

[TjoFrasse]

From what I've seen in auto repair shops here in Belgium, 1/2" drive set is the standard when working on a car, (with 1/4" for small fasteners).
I don't think I've ever seen a 3/8" drive ratchet in a professional shop.
So on a car they use 1/2" drive most of the time, it seems normal to have the bit sockets in 1/2 drive... They keep the 1/4 ratchet for 7,8,10,13 bolts, bigger they take the 1/2"...
It's what I've seen, it's probably different in other places and they may had 3/8" drive somewhere but it's clearly less present.
Tomorrow I'll ask my local tool dealer which drives are the most appreciated

I'm curious to know what square drive sizes combinations are used in other european countries, could member tell us about their local preferences?

Although i have little experience of professional shops, i'll say it's the same thing in sweden. It's 1/2" and 1/4" that is used. That is what people have in their garage and it's the biggest part of what is offered in shops. Most tool kits aimed at hobbyists consists a 1/4" and a 1/2" set, with mostly metric sockets. Personally i would say 98% of my ratchet usage is those sizes also.

 

[ultgar]

I agree with the European approach of 1/4" and 1/2" drive. I'd still keep a 3/8" drive ratchet on hand for spark plug and other specialty sockets. SD

 

[jk47]

Although i have little experience of professional shops, i'll say it's the same thing in sweden. It's 1/2" and 1/4" that is used. That is what people have in their garage and it's the biggest part of what is offered in shops. Most tool kits aimed at hobbyists consists a 1/4" and a 1/2" set, with mostly metric sockets. Personally i would say 98% of my ratchet usage is those sizes also.

Interesting to see tool collection philosophy's from other parts of the world. The majority of my collection is 3/8" with a little bit of 1/4", and 1/2" with only a few larger sockets and a couple of breaker bars. I mainly wrench on cars and motorcycles, soon to change as I'm currently looking for a truck.

 

[ultgar]

Just started working on a mixed drive layout for Facom tools in Lista cabinets...here's a sample (didn't bother putting all the tools in place...test fit for the cabinets) ....

And here are some additional foam trays to complete the layout....

 

[Cantause]

When I bought my 3/8" set it was more by curiosity than by need, in my mind it was too big for bolts under 10 and too small for bolts higher to 19-21 so with a 1/4" + 1/2" sets you always had the right tool from 4 to 32.
The 3/8 can be much more useful than expected in many cases (drain plug sockets are in 3/8) , cover the right size for 75% of the job if you have extended socket sizes and a long handle ratchet but you still miss 1/4 for really small and 1/2 for really big...
Well it's my point of view...

Just started working on a mixed drive layout for Facom tools in Lista cabinets...here's a sample (didn't bother putting all the tools in place...test fit for the cabinets) ....

I knew that this kind of custom service couldn't be missing from your offer
It's really the last touch that makes these Lista cabinets "ultimate", nice work

I've done some drawings for my foam drawers liners but I can't find a company here in Belgium which offers to cut single pieces and low volumes...
I've even considered building a Laser router just for this purpose but it was a big budget for a very specific tool... It looks like yours have been milled, it's interresting to see that the result has a very neat finish.
I think I'll try it this summer on a bigger milling router! Tomorrow I have PE foam suppliers to contact They're not easy to find here...
I'll also do some samples with my small router when I'll have time, maybe there is a gap for this kind of service in europe

 

[garfunkle24]

Ultgar

Nice work, looks great. Do want!!

 

[Monte]

Birthday present from Australia.

Happy Birthday ! nice IPS pliers !!!!

However I'm not sure about the model, a few months ago there were two 125mm Bosch variable speed angle grinders on Bosch's website:
-GWS15-125 CIEH, 2800-11000 rpm 1500W (208€)
-GWS15-125 CITH 2800-9300 rpm 1500W (215€)

Now there is only the CITH model, I don't understand why, the CIEH would be an ancient model?
They looked exactly the same from the outside, the output power of the two models are the same (860w), weight,... It look better to be able to go up to 11000 rpm no? maybe with a reduced top speed of 9300 rpm you can regulate the speed more precisely? I don't know...

There are still 2 models (3 total)
http://www.bosch-pt.de/boptocs2-de/...de/gw/Kleine+Winkelschleifer/101278/index.htm
i never worked with an 9300 RPM (or similar) model, its about the typical speed for 150mm grinders. Normally you want as high RPM as possible for cutting + grinding. The description of the CITH says that it has "high torque and high speed under load". I will ask the question "CIEH or CITH" in the german Bosch forum.

Btw, while browsing earlier posts of this thread I've seen the deal you told us about the Dako swedish pipe wrenches 3 pieces set. I had to buy one for the plumbing job of next month, I was going for a 55€ 1"1/2 Ironside wrench at the local store, but thanks to your post I bought a 3 pieces set on ebay.de, 67€ delivered, so thank you

"S" shape ??

I already bought one last month, you know it
It's not because I carefully listen to your wise advises that you can make me buy every Facom tools you see
Anyway, I don't think I'd go for Facom, COO?

i know
The Facom chargers just came to my mind again when i saw the latest magazine from my car parts dealer, they sell similar looking chargers under their "JMP" brand name..... "sligthly" cheaper too.... (more than 50% ...)
COO ? "import" i guess

The C-teks you talked about seems good, but there is also a belgian manufacturer Tecmate, they're oem for Honda motorbike chargers so I guess they're not too bad, they have good reputation in the motorbike world (optimate), but they also do chargers for automotive, marine...

Thx for the link ! Didn´t know about them !

european companies always have to sell a whole set that is 1/2 drive. WHY!?!

/end rant

Because they can earn more money So you need 3 sets: one in 1/4", one in 3/8" and one in 1/2" instead of one set with 3 1/4" sockets, 3 3/8" sockets and 3 1/2" sockets (or so...)

I'm curious to know what square drive sizes combinations are used in other european countries, could member tell us about their local preferences?

i think 1/4" + 1/2" over here. Small fasteners up to 13mm (M8 screws) --> 1/4" everything else 1/2"



That looks sweeeeeeeeeeeeet !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! : bowdown:

I've done some drawings for my foam drawers liners but I can't find a company here in Belgium which offers to cut single pieces and low volumes...

ok not Belgium but maybe they can help you www.customfoam.ch







btw.: "Drive-by (pic) shooting" of the german Dolmar-Makita factory

 

[Hazet]

@cantause

Try these guys (from Germany). They seem to have a few choices about the type of foam and color. Most prices are pretty reasonable. I am in the process of making one for my torque wrenches.

http://www.toolbed.com/start.aspx

 

[mrtools]

Hello..im from malaysia...im very new here...so nice too know u all,
here i would to share my small tools collection.....

 

[bart1]

Nice toys, mrtools! What's the story with the dimple blade Wera? Which of your screwdrivers do you feels is the best as far as tip fit or comfort?

What kind of box is that? Tovo?

 

[mrtools]

hello bart1....
Actually it a blade for WIHA telescopic...that why it have a dimple because the blade size 6mm same like WERA VARIO...im in waiting the wera vario blade

From my collection, my best screwdriver is VESSEL Megadora..nice & comfort handle.. very heavy duty TIPS

The tool box brand is TOYO...made in japan

 

[bart1]

hello bart1....
Actually it a blade for WIHA telescopic...that why it have a dimple because the blade size 6mm same like WERA VARIO...im in waiting the wera vario blade

From my collection, my best screwdriver is VESSEL Megadora..nice & comfort handle.. very heavy duty TIPS

The tool box brand is TOYO...made in japan

Ah, I see.

Cool, I will look into those.

I used to work at a Japanese bearing company (NTN) and we used a lot of Toyo industrial grinding machines.

 

[Frankstools]

I must show off one of my prize tools from the Fatherland (Germany). Bought it maybe 15 years ago $$$$, used it a couple of times.Bought every optional adapter possible. Makes a record copy of compression reading on a small card. Frank

 

[dede2897234]

mrtools,

Which premium European and Japanese tool brands are available in your country? How are the prices of these premium brands when purchased at your local industrial tool supplier versus buying them via an eBay seller located in another country?


Thanks,

Dave

 

[Cantause]

i never worked with an 9300 RPM (or similar) model, its about the typical speed for 150mm grinders. Normally you want as high RPM as possible for cutting + grinding. The description of the CITH says that it has "high torque and high speed under load". I will ask the question "CIEH or CITH" in the german Bosch forum.

I would say the same and take the 11.000 model, but I guess that they didn't "design" a slightly different model just give me headache with choice, it may be more appropriate for something, I wonder what?

Thanks for asking about that, you're really the best

"S" shape ??

You mean the handle or the jaws?
I took the 90° straight jaws like this:

<a href="http://s739.photobucket.com/albums/xx39/cantause/?action=view&current=dakototale.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i739.photobucket.com/albums/xx39/cantause/dakototale.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

i know
The Facom chargers just came to my mind again when i saw the latest magazine from my car parts dealer, they sell similar looking chargers under their "JMP" brand name..... "sligthly" cheaper too.... (more than 50% ...)
COO ? "import" i guess

New Facom electronics are most of the time imports, I don't know if even their multimeters still produced by Chauvin-Arnoux...
The small JMP seems okay for the price, for bigger units I would feel more comfortable buying a well-known brand of the field such as C-tek or Tecmate...

Thx for the link ! Didn´t know about them !

Really , so it means that you may be human?
I've always thought that you had been sent on earth by a superior being to enlighten us in our tool quest...
Or at least that you escaped from a secret Gedore research center where you were part of super-wrencher training program
So, I'm really surprised that you don't know about them

ok not Belgium but maybe they can help you www.customfoam.ch

Thanks! I wonder a bit about shipping, Switzerland is kind of "oversea" in term of shipping costs. These service are not cheap, I wonder if closed cell PE foam is that expensive, machining does not require expensive machinery... Maybe it's cheaper if you directly send them the CAD file, I should ask!
Actually in my mind I'm already on the way to mill them myself, it's another good reason to build a biggest router, now that I have some space!

@Hazet:
Thanks for the link, I'm waiting to have my registration accepted to see prices! Did you buy from them?

Btw I went to the tool shop this afternoon (order some PB Swiss), there were too many people to start talking about the most appreciated square drives.
I noticed there were only one 3/8", more than ten 1/2" and 5-6 1/4" on the Facom panel, I doubt it's because they sold all the 3/8" in the morning