Tools from the old world

[Repairman]

@ Bart1

Those Knipex adjustable wrench plier makes crescent wrenches virtually obsolete.


Here is a side by side photos of the Beta with the Facom 440.

 

[mrtools]

mrtools,

Have you owned Top circlip pliers in the past?

Do you own circlip pliers from other brands such as Knipex?

If yes to the second question, how durable are Top circlip pliers compared to ones from other manufacturers?

Thanks,

Dave

Thanks for a good question Dave
Yes i own i a Top circlip plier (a bent type)
since i haved a good exprience i decided to by another 2 of this sometimes my friend borrowed it to take out a small bearing of air tools with a bent jaw
a jaw was very tough i not suspected he use it as a claws before he told me im very mad

I dont own Knipex but it on my wish list
i already used a couple of Japanese brand but i found a Top is the best for circlips plier

 

[bart1]

@ Bart1

Those Knipex adjustable wrench plier makes crescent wrenches virtually obsolete.

Agreed!

The Facom looks much nicer than the Betas, I guess.

 

[Bhae]

@Repairman:

Nice Wrenches. I like Facom 440!!.

Today:

 

[Monte]

Picked this up today.

nice lawn mower !
ps: Doesn´t they sell european made lawn mowers ???

When i ran a tyre shop we had one of those, good gauge. I used to make the needle do a 540+ seating beads on runflats.

available also from:
www.schneider-airsystems.de

Hi guys,

neat tool set and welcome to the forum !


@mrtools:
Return the TOP pliers and get Knipex

Tips made of piano wire, should be stronger than forged chrome vanadium:

@Repairman:
nice tools !


@Bhae:
nice Irimo tool box !!!!!






btw: tire pressure gauge

www.motometer.net

Some new/old Wurth tools from the garage buddies:

 

[expatriated]

Bart, I got my 10" Knipex for $49 at Sears--was $38 a sale? I missed that one.

 

[ecotec]

those facom combination wrenches have a gorgeous shape.

i have to have the knipex pliers wrench. if i see the 10" 86 03 250 under $40, i will buy them.

this website is rough on the wallet.

 

[bart1]

Bart, I got my 10" Knipex for $49 at Sears--was $38 a sale? I missed that one.

They were running 15% off sale through yesterday and I used tlsthanks for 10% more. Was in the hot deals thread. My sears had several Knipex on the shelf now.

 

[expatriated]

Missed it, I guess.

My Sears is starting to carry more Knipex, too. I hope they get the insulated tools in--I need a few of those.

I don't think I'll ever use Channellocks again!

 

[american lockpicker]

nice lawn mower !
ps: Doesn´t they sell european made lawn mowers ???

I wish, they sell a few accessories and some chainsaws that are Swedish but the rest is American made/assembled. Also Stihl makes a electric weed eater thats Austrian so I'm planning on getting that soon.

The only made in Europe push mower I could find was this.

http://www.hayter.co.uk/

Its British made but costs around $1700 so I went with a domestic produced one.

 

[Monte]

I wish, they sell a few accessories and some chainsaws that are Swedish but the rest is American made/assembled. Also Stihl makes a electric weed eater thats Austrian so I'm planning on getting that soon.

The only made in Europe push mower I could find was this.

http://www.hayter.co.uk/

Its British made but costs around $1700 so I went with a domestic produced one.

Whats about the John Deere walk behind mowers ? Where are these from ?
btw: Husqvarna: Their electric chain saw is "made in Norway"

There are other lawn mower choices from Germany (AL-KO, Brill, Sabo, Solo, AS-Motor...) or Austria (Viking) or UK (Bosch) or Italy (Oleo-Mac) or France (Etesia)...

 

[american lockpicker]

I think all John Deere here is US made I know my tractor and the neighbors are.

 

[mrtools]

old and tired but not retired
sweet circlip pliers !!!!

Swiss made "Original Fix" MIG pliers from Metabo
made by www.raetzer-ag.ch

Very tough made Metabo MIG pliers

Hi guys,

I've found this topic back in 2010 and I'm regularly reading it for it's highly interesting, but didn't register until now. I thought that I'll share one of my favourite tool kits, a relatively new Wera model (it's the Kraftform Kompakt Zyklop). I use it to remove trim panels and control units in cars, it's brilliant. It has all the important things (philips/hex/torx bits + sockets) in the most common sizes. The hand ratchet also doubles as a ratchet screwdriver. Some pics:

Hello!! + welcome to the awesome forum
Btw: u haved a very nice stuff

Another big favourite of mine is the Victorinox Cybertool Lite. What makes this knife so special is a 4-piece double-ended C4 bit set. The LED light in the knife faces in the direction of the screwdriver, very practical when you work in poorly lit areas.

Nice survival tool Victorinox haved a very good name in multitools
Btw : i haved a couple of Victorinoc multitools but already post a pics before

Some more stuff I received recently. The Beta wrenches are the next sizes up from my Facom 440 set.

Was looking for a cheap knife and found this beauty.

Nice!!!!!!! especially ur knife

BTW, here are some great Knipex reviews:

Wow!! Knipex plier wrench
Where adjustable wrench comes from? China

@mrtools:
Return the TOP pliers and get Knipex

Tips made of piano wire, should be stronger than forged chrome vanadium:

Some new/old Wurth tools from the garage buddies:

Yeahhh!!!! Im agree with u
Nice.. a socket looks with a special profile it really works?

 

[mrtools]

A good toys from Japan finally arrived.. ordered before Tsunami hit Japan and in my hand today.....God bless Japan arigatoo hozaimaskaa

Stubby + Cubby

15mm blade

 

[bart1]

Wow!! Knipex plier wrench
Where adjustable wrench comes from? China

I think so. It was bought many years ago, probably didn't have any money for, or know anything about, good tools. I always hated adjustables anyway, for the same reasons listed on that expeditionexchange website I linked. Plier wrench seems really good.

 

[T20]

Athlet screwdriver with the best wooden handle I know. Great haptics!

 

[TjoFrasse]

A little tour through the mind of a tool addict as he picks out another order:

Oh, i need a small bit ratchet. The Bahco set seems nice. I'll order one!

Ouch, €14 shipping! I'll order something more to help cover the cost. Oh, cheap screwdrivers! I'll take those!

Those were too cheap though, need something more. Oh, the bit stubby that matches my other stubbies. Better get it!

And that micro set was cheap, and more matching Wera stuff!

So, perhaps i should stop now. This order would be ok.

But... I want MORE!

NWS pliers seems really nice. I'm satisfied with my Knipex, but perhaps a should try a NWS at least. Which one to try though... Perhaps just a regular linemans. Those are not to expensive. But if i should spend money perhaps i should get something i don't currently have. The Peacemaker is perhaps good to get, it's something that is NWS unique. A bit expensive though, but that's ok.

And if i'm placing a big order is should really get the Knipex plier wrench. I have planned to get it for so long so perhaps now is the time. Yeah, i really should get it!

And speaking of thing i have planned to get for quite a while, the Wera Zyklop is on sale. Perhaps now is the time to get that also. Which size should i get? The 3/8" perhaps. 10mm and 13mm sockets are included, that's a good deal. And i should get 17mm and 19mm sockets also so i have standard sizes.

Whoops, this got a bit more expensive than planned. But there is nothing i want to remove. Oh, i guess i have to cut back a bit on other expenses...

And that is how you trick your brain into accepting that a €20 purchase turns into a €200 purchase.

 

[cosmik binturong]

Whoops, this got a bit more expensive than planned. But there is nothing i want to remove. Oh, i guess i have to cut back a bit on other expenses...

And that is how you trick your brain into accepting that a €20 purchase turns into a €200 purchase.

Sharkin was oh so right

 

[TjoFrasse]

Sharkin was oh so right

Yeah! Before i came here i was satisfied with a quality tool that did what i needed. Now i just want them all!

 

[dede2897234]

A good toys from Japan finally arrived.. ordered before Tsunami hit Japan and in my hand today.....God bless Japan arigatoo hozaimaskaa

Stubby + Cubby

15mm blade

mrtools,

I also own a complete set of the Vessel 620 series Phillips and slotted stubby screwdrivers. The handle material is grippy and the length is just right to apply torque to a fastener. I also own a Vessel 220, ball grip, 6mm, slotted screwdriver. The design and material of the handle provides additional torque and comfort. I was disappointed to learn that some Vessel hand tools (including the model 220) are made in Thailand.

What are your initial thoughts of the Vessel 620 and the model 230 ball grip screwdrivers?


Thanks,

Dave

 

[dede2897234]

A little tour through the mind of a tool addict as he picks out another order:

NWS pliers seems really nice. I'm satisfied with my Knipex, but perhaps a should try a NWS at least. Which one to try though... Perhaps just a regular linemans. Those are not to expensive. But if i should spend money perhaps i should get something i don't currently have. The Peacemaker is perhaps good to get, it's something that is NWS unique. A bit expensive though, but that's ok.

And speaking of thing i have planned to get for quite a while, the Wera Zyklop is on sale. Perhaps now is the time to get that also. Which size should i get? The 3/8" perhaps. 10mm and 13mm sockets are included, that's a good deal. And i should get 17mm and 19mm sockets also so i have standard sizes.

TjoFrasse,


After some use, can you post here your review of the NWS Peacemaker plier and the Wera Zyklop ratchet?


Thanks,

Dave

 

[TjoFrasse]

TjoFrasse,


After some use, can you post here your review of the NWS Peacemaker plier and the Wera Zyklop ratchet?


Thanks,

Dave

I'll try to remember to post some after some use. But i can post some first impressions.

The Peacemaker is well made. The quality and finnish feels like a tad over Knipex. I did not fell for the ergonomics directly though. It felt a bit awkward to hold it. Perhaps i will change my mind after some use, but i'm not sure. I think perhaps a needle nose like the Wiha Inomic is a better plier type for this layout. It didn't replace my Knipex in the "quick reach" position in the garage.

The Wera Zyklop felt just right at the direct moment i removed it from the package. The action is super smooth, quality feels top and since i like the Wera handles it felt great to hold. 3/8" is my least used size, but the Zyklop might make it more frequent. The lock for the swivel head feels like both a strength and a weakness. I really would like a way to keep it unlocked for faster switch between angles. The direction selector was not super, it did not have the distinct feel and ease of use that i want. But they seldom are on swivel heads...

I'll try to follow Montes example and post some videos later

 

[T20]

Ouch, €14 shipping! I'll order something more to help cover the cost. Oh, cheap screwdrivers! I'll take those!

Sounds like the usual jedi mind trick I always use on myself to justify my orders!

 

[byte.size.life]

Nice survival tool Victorinox haved a very good name in multitools
Btw : i haved a couple of Victorinoc multitools but already post a pics before

I was a bit unsure whether those also count as tools

A good toys from Japan finally arrived..

Are those "real" Phillips screwdrivers, or the JIS type Phillips?

And that is how you trick your brain into accepting that a €20 purchase turns into a €200 purchase.

There is also another brain trick which goes like: "oh, never mind the high costs, I'll make it up by selling some of the old tools I don't need anymore". Needless to say, you won't sell anything, ever.

 

[american lockpicker]

Yep SAKs and multitools count as tools. I have pics on here somewhere of my collection.

 

[Monte]

Nice.. a socket looks with a special profile it really works?

not my socket set ...- There are already many companies offer such "spline" sockets and wrenches so maybe they work ? But I prefer 6 point sockets and metric for metric, SAE for SAE Torx sockets for Torx etc. Right tool for the right job

ps: nice Vessel tools !!!! I like Samurai tools !!!!
oh and nice Facom ruler !


@T20:
nice screwdrivers !!!


@Tjo Frasse:
very nice tools !!!






NT Cutter snap-off blade knife
www.ntcutter.co.jp

 

[dede2897234]

byte.size.life,

All the Vessel screwdrivers that "mr tools" purchased from Japan have JIS cross recess tips. All the Vessel screwdrivers are JIS except the "Megadora" model line. JIS screwdrivers can be used to turn Phillips fasteners. However, Phillips screwdrivers will damage fasteners with a JIS head.


Dave

 

[dede2897234]

NT Cutter snap-off blade knife
www.ntcutter.co.jp

Monte,

Do you own any Olfa knives that use snap-off blades?

If yes, which knife body is better built (NT or Olfa)?

Which snap-off blades stay sharper the longest (NT or Olfa)?

If you have not used the NT knife, can you please post feedback later to the above questions?


Thanks,

Dave

 

[byte.size.life]

byte.size.life,

All the Vessel screwdrivers that "mr tools" purchased from Japan have JIS cross recess tips. All the Vessel screwdrivers are JIS except the "Megadora" model line. JIS screwdrivers can be used to turn Phillips fasteners. However, Phillips screwdrivers will damage fasteners with a JIS head.


Dave

Thanks, Dave. I have found multiple sources for japanese tools on the net, but they almost never explicitly state whether their Phillips screwdrivers are JIS or not. Apparently, JIS is the "default".

Adrian

 

[Vinko]

Anyone know if any of the Germany makers have an e-torx set that isn't swivel? All I've seen from Hazet & Stahlwille (from Samstag Sales) is the swivel sets. If anyone knows of a good selection found from resellers in the US, I'd appreciate hearing about them.

 

[mrtools]

mrtools,

I also own a complete set of the Vessel 620 series Phillips and slotted stubby screwdrivers. The handle material is grippy and the length is just right to apply torque to a fastener. I also own a Vessel 220, ball grip, 6mm, slotted screwdriver. The design and material of the handle provides additional torque and comfort. I was disappointed to learn that some Vessel hand tools (including the model 220) are made in Thailand.

What are your initial thoughts of the Vessel 620 and the model 230 ball grip screwdrivers?


Thanks,

Dave

Thanks Dave to share ur experience about Vessel screwdrivers
Vessel is my favorite screwdriver when im working with Japanase machine,car or bike..talking about Vessel 620 series (soft Grip stubby type screwdriver) im very satisfied with a material + handle shape a material quit good and a handle comfortable in my hand
620 stubby driver had special blade size just 15mm long very useful when working at a small space
for Vessel 220 series (ball grip handle) it not in my toolsbox, i dont haved any experience about that..and it a Thailand made driver very disappointed maybe it a one reason i not bought a driver that why im very interested with 230 series (ball grip handle with steel end cap) it a Japan made drivers

I was a bit unsure whether those also count as tools

Are those "real" Phillips screwdrivers, or the JIS type Phillips?

There is also another brain trick which goes like: "oh, never mind the high costs, I'll make it up by selling some of the old tools I don't need anymore". Needless to say, you won't sell anything, ever.

Awesome tools + multitools
Yes it a JIS type philips scewdrivers

not my socket set ...- There are already many companies offer such "spline" sockets and wrenches so maybe they work ? But I prefer 6 point sockets and metric for metric, SAE for SAE Torx sockets for Torx etc. Right tool for the right job

ps: nice Vessel tools !!!! I like Samurai tools !!!!
oh and nice Facom ruler !

NT Cutter snap-off blade knife

Yeahhh!!! i like 6 point socket set
Thank from samurai and inox ruler

Nice blade knife
It easy to get a Japanese tools at Germany?

Thanks, Dave. I have found multiple sources for japanese tools on the net, but they almost never explicitly state whether their Phillips screwdrivers are JIS or not. Apparently, JIS is the "default".

Adrian

@byte.size.life

I agree

 

[bart1]

Anyone know if any of the Germany makers have an e-torx set that isn't swivel? All I've seen from Hazet & Stahlwille (from Samstag Sales) is the swivel sets. If anyone knows of a good selection found from resellers in the US, I'd appreciate hearing about them.

You can also get Hazet from a couple other places, but you would be pleasantly surprised if you just contacted GJ member and Hazet dealer jensputzier and ordered from das fatherland. I think there are a couple Rorx sets on eBay at the moment.

 

[ecotec]

japan is not the old world. japanese tools should not be in this thread.

 

[Sick Puppy]

japan is not the old world. japanese tools should not be in this thread.

[sits back on lazy boy, gets the crisps and coke, and waits]

 

[ecotec]

technically, japan is obviously old world. this thread has been consistently european tools, though.

 

[ecotec]

i mean, would you want tools made in china in this thread?

 

[cosmik binturong]

Japan *is* definitely Old World™; China on the other hand, and as far as tools go, is New World: profit driven "Corporate America" **** tools for undiscerning lusers that have sold their jobs and the future of their kids to Walmart and Wall Street...

 

[expatriated]

japan is not the old world. japanese tools should not be in this thread.

This is the first post in this ginormous thread:

Monte writes:
"This thread is for all tools "from the old world" like tools from Europe, but you can also post all tools from outside the USA here. (If you want )"

You can post Chinese stuff if you want, many Taiwan products have been posted.

But, Japanese tool quality and Chinese tool quality are not the same thing.

 

[cosmik binturong]

what kind of tools? have you ever used what they exported in the 70s and 80s?

i seriously doubt¹ that *any* chinese(PRC) company has more than 40 years of production of quality tools where european, american(north AND south) have plenty with more than a hundred years...






¹ but will be very glad to be corrected if wrong!

 

[Monte]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_world