Tools from the old world

[Olafur]

I've been looking at various brands of those flex shaft nut drivers. How they differ from a normal nut driver is that the "socket" portion is very thin allowing access to the screw head on a hose clamp.

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The blue driver is dedicated for hose clamps (7mm), at least it is branded ABA who makes plenty of hose clamps and it is sold as such over here. This is nice tool and great for those hard to get clamps but it does not last very long under hard use. The flex leg bends and loses capability to transmit torque from handle to tip. This one is still fine.

Here is a little comparison between ABA and WERA.

ABA tip

WERA tip

ABA-flex

WERA-flex

Wera feels softer to bend, probably due to longer flex-leg.

I am hoping WERA's thicker flex leg can take more abuse than ABA. Only time will tell.

 

[Olafur]

Circlip plier.

I am not sure if it is made by Knipex. But I need another one, anyone know where I can get one?

 

[franzdom]

I lover me this thread

In fact I took my Wera VSM out of the Classified section today because they were unused until now. What was I thinking?

 

[Monte]

May i make a suggestion that the name of this thread change from tools from the old world to, Monte's official old world tool thread. Has a much better sound to it.

noo ...it´s not my thread.....open for everyone

New small tools :
Tove, Olfa, Noga, Pferd, Posca, Nes, Milbox, Lessman and Fiskars.

very nice collection of quality tools !

ps: do you know where the new Dolex locking pliers are from ??? Some look german ...some imported... ?



nice Wera collection !

COO - Taiwan, China or Germany?

www.whirlpower.com.tw

I've been looking for a new tool pouch for work. Looking for a electricians tool pouch. Here in the us the selection is limited to junk or more junk. Excluding VETO bags , but before I buy one I would like to see if there are any euro or German electrician tool pouches that would work for me.

Ridgid. Made in Europe:
wwww.ridgid.eu

Gedore. I dunno where they are from though www.gedoretools.com

Plano has a large selection too
http://www.planoeurope.com/prodotti/elenco.asp?pagina=prod&idfam=8&npag=2

I've been looking at various brands of those flex shaft nut drivers. How they differ from a normal nut driver is that the "socket" portion is very thin allowing access to the screw head on a hose clamp.

Wiha make nice ones too.
Made in Germany...

....the flexible shaft too

http://www.biax-flexwellen.de/en/Einsatzgebiete_Maschinenbau.php

Circlip plier.

I am not sure if it is made by Knipex. But I need another one, anyone know where I can get one?

no part number forged into the handles ?

http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1365&groupID=1454

maybe one of them ^

VBW has them too
http://vbw.de/produkt.jsp?pid=10772&group=3&ugroup=5

Stahlwille + Hazet too
http://www.stahlwille-online.de/ind...hid=&scmd=pdetail&pcid=5944&cid=6075&pid=6074

ps: are the ABA nut drivers still made in sweden ?

ps: ps: i have the feeling that flexible nut drivers with sleeve are stronger ?
btw.: thanks for the pics !!

 

[Monte]

Received the most recent Gedore catalogs...:

 

[AutomatiquE]

@Monte : Good eye for the new Dolex pliers I realy don't know where they come from but i doubt they're from Wezag. Other Dolex pliers, i mean the "high capacity locking pliers" are made in the house (that's what Dolex claim). As you probably know they took over the Outillages Roux machinery.
Also, i didn't know about "Biax-flexwellen" but i always wondered who was the OEM for all those flexing shaft drivers. Now, i know. Thanks

@Olafur : Thank you for the nice review about your Wera flexible driver I've also got some of those silly tools. Mine are branded Elora :

Size 5/6/7/8/10.



Quatrolit bi-material handles


Note that nuts+shafts are differently made than your Wera, ABA's


The following three pics are from a #7 driver :

 

[Monte]

@Automatique:
some of the new Dolex pliers look like Bollman pliers like the Dolex PMD 250 and the PFT210
http://www.bollmanngrip.de/gripzangen/

Dolex PGO 280 = http://www.topwell-tools.com/images/CC3-4.jpg

What about the older Roux pliers ? made in France or not ?
http://web.archive.org/web/20071012081454/http://outillage-roux.com/


ps: nice Elora drivers !! How do you like the handles ?








HaFu hex key
www.hafu.de

Böcker 12mm x 13mm "pipe socket"
www.boecker-qualitaet.de

Wera "hex plus" bits

my favourite el cheapo gloves:

grippy fingers

 

[AutomatiquE]

Monte, i also noticed the similarities between the new Dolex pliers and Bollman's products, but i wasn't 100% sure. Obiously Bollman is one of their OEM. Concerning the older Roux tools, they're made in the house, in France . At least, that's what they claim on their website : "Toutes nos pinces-étaux sont fabriquées dans notre usine" (all our locking pliers are made in our factory).

I didn't use my Elora's Nut drivers very much, only once. Their Qualtrolit Handles are pretty well made : not too big, not too small, just right.

ps : Nice Böcker socket

ps #2: What's your opinion about HaFu products, since you've got many of their tools. I just own one of their torx keys set and i've already broke a key. Are you confident about this brand ?

 

[mofo62]

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" Drei Engel für HAZET"

Enjoy.Monte




V!

 

[Monte]

@AutomatiquE:
thx for the info about Dolex + Elora !!!
I own a couple of HaFu products (hex ball screwdrivers, torx ball screwdrivers, hex + torx T-handles) but i have the T-handles at home (don´t use them there) because i use Wiha, and only have used the ball drivers only a couple of times and only 1 or 2 sizes like T20 or 5mm because i prefer to use non-ball drivers if possible (which is in most cases...) so i really can´t say anything. Maybe they are not the best but probably not the worst also because otherwise Hazet, Elora, AMF, Turnus and other companies wouldn´t sell them with their name on. Did you break a ball torx or regular ? Did it twist before breaking ? Maybe i would try Wiha, Wera or Bondhus.

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" Drei Engel für HAZET"

Enjoy.Monte

V!

haha thanks ! more pics of the angels ?





Flea market finds:

HSW screwdriver
www.hsw-schraubwerkzeuge.de

old Hazet wrench

 

[dykmore]

I found some screwdriver with exchangeable tip, about 40yrs old, in my toolbox - I think it is yet unknown brand in this thread: SADUM, made by OPP PŘEROV (Czechoslovakia). I see that name for the first time, and google doesn't show any record too

 

[Monte]

Some videos about the production, R+D, assembly and testing of Bosch power tools....

...... in Germany:

http://videoportal.bosch-presse.de/index.php?ptclips_showclips&id=40&topic=30

......in England:

http://videoportal.bosch-presse.de/index.php?ptclips_showClips&id=46&topic=30

....in Hungary:

http://videoportal.bosch-presse.de/index.php?ptclips_showClips&id=48&topic=30

I found some screwdriver with exchangeable tip, about 40yrs old, in my toolbox - I think it is yet unknown brand in this thread: SADUM, made by OPP PŘEROV (Czechoslovakia). I see that name for the first time, and google doesn't show any record too

do you have a link for the company site ?

 

[dykmore]

Monte, that company exists no more, probably for many years...

 

[mrtools]

i guess wrong package....glossy chrome should be from Argentinia...
if very old ...then from Germany...but on the wrench then it say "Germany". Never seen spanish "Belzer" tools...

I think so..
here a pic for a packing..
sorry cell phone pic..

Btw: nice face shield

Another recent purchase, my first "Knipex" tool, the 70-180 diagonal cutter. No doubt it'll be the first of many!

Woww!! nice Insulated cutter

Almost 20 years ago I was working as electronic technician. Back then I had two favorite screwdrivers - long lost. When I found G.J. few weeks ago I discovered what brand they were; WERA. Of course I went shopping.

This is part of experiment regarding quality screwdrivers in general and my friend. He usually brakes all flat screwdrivers he owns so I am going to give him this pair. If he brakes these he is beyond hope when it comes to screwdrivers!

Awesome drivers
Btw : make sure ur friend used for a right jobs

@Olafur : Thank you for the nice review about your Wera flexible driver I've also got some of those silly tools. Mine are branded Elora :

Quatrolit bi-material handles

Nice ! I haved one elora Quatrolit handle,it fit to my small hand

HaFu hex key
Böcker 12mm x 13mm "pipe socket"
Wera "hex plus" bits
my favourite el cheapo gloves:

Awesome

Flea market finds:

HSW screwdriver

old Hazet wrench

Nice! sent it to tool museum and get a reward

 

[mrtools]

Old stock KTC bits ratchet bought it at local hardware shop
worn-out packing

 

[AutomatiquE]

@mrtools : very nice ktc ratchet, i wish we had here in France such small stores with such quality tools sold in such worn out package... ahhhh you lucky man

@Monte : The broken HaFu ball-end torx key in question was used in a very gentle way. That's why i feel a little bit doubtfull about their quality. But you're definatly right about the fact in general it's better to use non ball end drivers. They're very much stronger.

 

[Olafur]

@Olafur : Thank you for the nice review about your Wera flexible driver I've also got some of those silly tools. Mine are branded Elora :

Nice flex drivers, the 7mm one would be nice additional weapon in my hose-clamp war..

 

[Olafur]

nice Wera collection !
www.whirlpower.com.tw

Thanks, These Padre drivers do make a nice additon to my collection of Taiwan tools!

When it comes to tools you remind me of old icelandic farmer - he had something like 200 sheeps, all white and all without horns. He knew them all by name. Your knowledge is amazing

no part number forged into the handles ?

http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1365&groupID=1454

maybe one of them ^

VBW has them too
http://vbw.de/produkt.jsp?pid=10772&group=3&ugroup=5

Stahlwille + Hazet too
http://www.stahlwille-online.de/ind...hid=&scmd=pdetail&pcid=5944&cid=6075&pid=6074

ps: are the ABA nut drivers still made in sweden ?

ps: ps: i have the feeling that flexible nut drivers with sleeve are stronger ?
btw.: thanks for the pics !!

No, there is no serial, It is very similar to the Knipex in the link, but the spring is different. I did some digging and found very similar tool on NWS website. Actually I think it is exactly the same. Tiny letters on the handles are identical.

Link

I do not know if ABA is still made in Sweden, doubt it judging by the quality of the 7mm driver.

Thanks for all the info!

 

[Jure]

Girlfriend bought me set of UNIOR LSI 120 combination wrenches 6-22 mm

she paid it around 120 euro

 

[kissmeimgerman]

Does this count?
I believe it is from Japan, I have two of them at work. Very sturdy.

 

[superautobacs]

Where did you buy them from?

The box was given the "Good Design" award in 2009, in Japan.
Toyo steel website *click They supply some/all of Tone's line of carry/tool boxes. They can be found rebranded into some other lesser known Japanese brands as well.



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I've been looking at various brands of those flex shaft nut drivers. How they differ from a normal nut driver is that the "socket" portion is very thin allowing access to the screw head on a hose clamp.

I haven't decided on a brand, and its a tool decision that makes me nuts. I do plenty of hose clamps, but 90% of the time another tool works fine, so its clearly in my "want" not "need" list, but I would still kind of like to get the best one just because I like nice tools. OTOH I've seen cheap, but most likely adequate sets on ebay for $25 that incl the 3 common metric sizes and a 1/4 square drive for use with sockets.

Thank you for adding Wera to my confusion, they look very nice.

I totally agree with you. It's a "want" thing for me as well. I've been set on getting the Wiha ones, but I haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. Curious...of all the other ones that you've seen, which brands have the outer sheathing on them? For me, that sheathing is a "must" feature. I've worked with ones that have the braided wire exposed, and they just don't last very long, and they will scratch surfaces. I find the sheathed types cope better with higher twisting torque.

Btw, Olafur and AutomatiquE, thanks for the photos for your flex drivers.

 

[AutomatiquE]

@Jure : nice wrenche set !!! Btw, does it says "made in Slovenia" somewhere on the wrenche ?

@superautobacs : you're welcome sir !

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Anyone used any Kukko pullers? Are they the best you can get from Germany?

Looking at a couple, and just bought a Kukko 129-3 Ball Joint Separator to be the next up from my Klann one.

Need a Hazet one as well now..

 

[Jure]

@Jure : nice wrenche set !!! Btw, does it says "made in Slovenia" somewhere on the wrenche ?

nope,pretty sure that unior never did it... but it says made in slovenia on the box only

 

[Monte]

Old stock KTC bits ratchet bought it at local hardware shop
worn-out packing

nice ratchet ! How much Ringgit ?

@Monte : The broken HaFu ball-end torx key in question was used in a very gentle way. That's why i feel a little bit doubtfull about their quality. But you're definatly right about the fact in general it's better to use non ball end drivers. They're very much stronger.

Shouldn´t happen....Then i would try a different brand...

Thanks, These Padre drivers do make a nice additon to my collection of Taiwan tools!

When it comes to tools you remind me of old icelandic farmer - he had something like 200 sheeps, all white and all without horns. He knew them all by name. Your knowledge is amazing

I´m that farmer i sold all my sheeps and bought 200 tools

No, there is no serial, It is very similar to the Knipex in the link, but the spring is different. I did some digging and found very similar tool on NWS website. Actually I think it is exactly the same. Tiny letters on the handles are identical.

i think you found it !

Girlfriend bought me set of UNIOR LSI 120 combination wrenches 6-22 mm
she paid it around 120 euro

nice wrenches + girlfriend

Does this count?
I believe it is from Japan, I have two of them at work. Very sturdy.

very nice toolbox

Are they the best you can get from Germany?

just bought a Kukko

you will find out
I don´t know, probably the most well known company, other than Kukko and Gedore there is also www.buco.de and www.nexus.de who make pullers for Matador, Elora and Beta for example.

Need a Hazet one as well now..

The recent Hazet ones are made by Gedore, the older ones by Kukko.







Collomix paint mixer
www.collomix.de

 

[kissmeimgerman]

The boxes were part of stuff my boss was throwing away, I think they had been sitting around taking up space for a while. When I saw them I immediately saved them from the dumpster, glad I did! No idea where they were originally purchased. But one I use everyday. Second one may go up for sale?

Where did you buy them from?

The box was given the "Good Design" award in 2009, in Japan.
Toyo steel website *click They supply some/all of Tone's line of carry/tool boxes. They can be found rebranded into some other lesser known Japanese brands as well.

- PS. thanks for the link, I could not find anything through google!


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[Olafur]

Since I started using this type of cable cutters few years ago my side cutters are hardly ever used for electric work. Of course these are brilliant cutters for soft wire, but also very easy and fast wire strippers - with minimum of practice. Much better than side cutters IMO. I also use them for pneumatic work to cut 4-12mm pvc lines - clean cut makes the lines easy to plug into connectors e.t.c

There is only one problem I am aware of with these cutters - everybody likes them. They disappear from toolboxes and people borrow them to cut nails, springs, fences, G-strings, hair e.t.c. Even dogs have been seen cutting there claws with them. And when returned they look like this:

As you can see the edges are worn, not only making the cutter dull but also stiff and utterly useless. Another $40-60 down the drain.

The blue cutters on the pics do not have any brand name. I once had very similar cutter branded "BOST" and it was close to perfect (slim, light, sharp, smooth) until a friend needed something to cut a hand brake cable on his Volvo. May he rest in peace! (both the Volvo and the cutter).

One night I was burning the midnight oil on ebay and found a nice fellow in Hong Kong who is selling cutters like this rather cheap. I saw the cutter was "made in Japan" so I hope it qualifies for this tread. (Yellow on the pic above.)

This one is a little bulkier than than the others and the finish is rough, but It works quite well. I like it already!

Thankfully I bought two, I am considering buying few more - this is a bargain.

PS: I am not sure if it is really made in Japan

 

[flyingkite]

Koken 1/4" and 1/2" Drive Wobble Ext Sets

1/4" Drive Handle with Wobble End

1/4" Drive 300mm (11.8") Long Flex Ext

1/4" Drive Ratchet

View media item 10248

Engineer PZ56 Screw Pliers for damaged screws, just received from Frank Bordenave, not surprisingly were wrapped in the Stars and Stripes.

View media item 10247

 

[Olafur]

Two survivors:

 

[american lockpicker]

Very nice tools Olafur and very interesting newspaper flyingkite(I have some from Norway around here somewhere...)

 

[mrtools]

@mrtools : very nice ktc ratchet, i wish we had here in France such small stores with such quality tools sold in such worn out package... ahhhh you lucky man

Thanks buddy
I need to explore more my local shop..

Girlfriend bought me set of UNIOR LSI 120 combination wrenches 6-22 mm
she paid it around 120 euro

Nice!

Does this count?
I believe it is from Japan, I have two of them at work. Very sturdy.

Of course It from JAPAN
Nice superb tools case
I haved too but a difference model

Made in Japan

nice ratchet ! How much Ringgit ?

It only RM 45

Since I started using this type of cable cutters few years ago my side cutters are hardly ever used for electric work. Of course these are brilliant cutters for soft wire, but also very easy and fast wire strippers - with minimum of practice. Much better than side cutters IMO. I also use them for pneumatic work to cut 4-12mm pvc lines - clean cut makes the lines easy to plug into connectors e.t.c

There is only one problem I am aware of with these cutters - everybody likes them. They disappear from toolboxes and people borrow them to cut nails, springs, fences, G-strings, hair e.t.c. Even dogs have been seen cutting there claws with them. And when returned they look like this:

As you can see the edges are worn, not only making the cutter dull but also stiff and utterly useless. Another $40-60 down the drain.

The blue cutters on the pics do not have any brand name. I once had very similar cutter branded "BOST" and it was close to perfect (slim, light, sharp, smooth) until a friend needed something to cut a hand brake cable on his Volvo. May he rest in peace! (both the Volvo and the cutter).

One night I was burning the midnight oil on ebay and found a nice fellow in Hong Kong who is sellingcutters like this[/URL] rather cheap. I saw the cutter was "made in Japan" so I hope it qualifies for this tread. (Yellow on the pic above.)

This one is a little bulkier than than the others and the finish is rough, but It works quite well. I like it already!

Thankfully I bought two, I am considering buying few more - this is a bargain.

PS: I am not sure if it is really made in Japan

Nice I haved a good experience with Shell cable cutter
but in the market now it have original and imitation, the original one comes from Japan a price more expensive and a imitation one a litter bit cheaper..
It also difference from quality of material,and the thickness of a head.The original is thin compare with imitation

Koken 1/4" and 1/2" Drive Wobble Ext Sets

1/4" Drive Handle with Wobble End

1/4" Drive 300mm (11.8") Long Flex Ext

1/4" Drive Ratchet

Engineer PZ56 Screw Pliers for damaged screws, just received from Frank Bordenave, not surprisingly were wrapped in the Stars and Stripes.

Nice Koken set

Two survivors:

Awesome Sandvik top notch for cutting tools

 

[AutomatiquE]

nope,pretty sure that unior never did it... but it says made in slovenia on the box only

Ok, thank you

@flyingkite : Very nice Koken+Engineer. Judging by their quality and inventiveness, Japanese tools are difinatly a "must have".

@Olafur : Nice old nordic tools ! Hacksaw lools very strong. Btw, i can't see any screw for strenghting the blade ?

 

[Jure]

my new UNIOR 21 mm sprak plug wrench

 

[kissmeimgerman]

Of course It from JAPAN
Nice superb tools case
I haved too but a difference model

Made in Japan

Nice! I like the size of that one, i have mine packed!

 

[american lockpicker]

Where can I find a new tool box at?

 

[kissmeimgerman]

Found this in one of my dads boxes today..

 

[Jure]

my new wera bits,also bought other adaptor (you can see it in the box)

 

[flyingkite]

Took a while to enhance the picture, now you can see why Engineer Screw Pliers are so handy.

View media item 10260

 

[Jure]

just bought rahsol set,finish isnt that good,but we will see... cant even compare it to unior's finish.

 

[dykmore]

For 1Eur I bought this retro car set today Contains handle and four (PH1-PH4) exchangeable tips in a metal case.

The handle is quite big - I took one picture with Zippo, just for imagination