Tools from the old world

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QUOTE by Monte (not got the hang of this "Quote" & MULTI-QUOTE yet)

Nice Belzer set !!

and very nice 1/4" ratchet collection !!! Which is your favourite ?
The Perfect-Lock sockets might be from Ko-Ken ?
...and of course a nice 1/2" ratchet collection !! What do you do with all these ?


Almost forgot this 1/4" Belzer set , a bit earlier with a Facom style ratchet

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My fav. 1/4" ratchet , difficult to say , in practical terms I have to say I use Stahlwille because IMHO they are the best & strongest, I also use Snap-On Industrial finish for same reason, I also use Koken chrome for similar reason - although the action is a bit more clicky they are very good. I do use Snap-On chrome for better jobs like engine build up & trim , however I do find it difficult to come to terms breaking in a new SO as a working tool (you probably understand).

Yes , the Perfect-Lock , I am certain they are "Badge Engineered" manuf. by Koken , the ratchets have a similar feel.
On the subject of ratchets , I have had some Hilka 3/8" drive ratchets 30 years in regular use - alongside Snap-On 3/8" , the occasional overnight dip in clean oil , impressive cheap tool - possibly no longer so ?

Half inch ratchets ,, I have a few more LoL

What do you do with all these ?

YOU SOUND LIKE MY WIFE !!!

The normal reply is :-

Seems the common reply from around these parts / the world.

 

[JMToolCo]

 

[jalfaro]

My favorite..
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An excellent contribution lok

It is appreciated that these sockets are made to work for life. Definitely, the old process itself is manufactured sought robust tools, perhaps were not as manageable and light as now, not so showy, but they were robust. Of course, the society was not so commercial, always looking to lower costs

With the above I do not mean that currently does not manufacture quality tools, luckily there are still a variety of options

 

[american lockpicker]

My favorite..
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Beargrip
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Poland and Holland you don't see tools from there much.

 

[Trucky]

Lockpicker you are so lucky! I look for Finnish made Fiskars stuff all the time. Blah. Can't manage to find any of it, as much as I try.

As of now I can't buy any tools (loans D: ) so I won't be posting any pics soon but that doesn't mean I can't look at them here at least

I first saw the Olfa cutters in here a while ago and I've bought two of them so far.. the replacement blades are crazy sharp and long lasting (great for accidentally cutting my own hand ).. definitely not buying anything else.

 

[Bhae]

Today:


TECNOLAM (Italy) www.tecnolamweb.com
RUBI (Spain) http://www.rubi.com/home/index.php
(*If the customer makes photos of the toolbox i will put.)

 

[american lockpicker]

I search high and low for it over a number of years. I'll put up pics of my collection in an hour or so. I really lucked into finding the Finnish premium collection at Joann Fabrics. Also I've went to Ace, Walmart, Fastenal, and some other places.

 

[cmandp]

More old tools. Not mine of course. Some of them are older than me. All with hard every day use and very often many of them have used the wrong way.

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Interesting, that air ratchet looks exactly like my dad's two Rodac air ratchets. The one my dad has is bare aluminum like that one and marked japan, the barrel on the other is red with a cast Rodac logo and says "Made in USA".

 

[humber2]

Wow 10000 posts about to come up. Congratulations.

 

[lok]

An excellent contribution lok

It is appreciated that these sockets are made to work for life. Definitely, the old process itself is manufactured sought robust tools, perhaps were not as manageable and light as now, not so showy, but they were robust. Of course, the society was not so commercial, always looking to lower costs

With the above I do not mean that currently does not manufacture quality tools, luckily there are still a variety of options

Thanks jalfaro. Yes I agree with you.

Interesting, that air ratchet looks exactly like my dad's two Rodac air ratchets. The one my dad has is bare aluminum like that one and marked japan, the barrel on the other is red with a cast Rodac logo and says "Made in USA".

This one has only the "japan". No manufacture. I dont know how old it is.

Poland and Holland you don't see tools from there much.

Yes I Know.. Here is one more that I forget to post before .
I didn't ask how old it is but I think that it is very old.
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[humber2]

Here's some of the panel tools from the 1966 catalog.

 

[american lockpicker]

Saw blade in made in Denmark, pruners in USA, and the rest is made in Finland.

 

[Trucky]

Lucky. All of that kind of stuff that I've seen over here was made in China I bought some of their pruners (Finnish) for my mother a bit ago but none of the other ones were any good (Aka made in you-know-where). How do those grass shear-looking ones work? We need a new one since the last pair(?) got left outside and rusted (also made in.. blah).

Also, let me know how those scizzors work out for you. I'm always on the look out for nice scizzors that don't do the whole bend sideways when you cut something thicker than a molecule of air thing.

 

[TonyCH]

LOL, never thought of Fiskars stuff as actual tools but I guess they are. Every family in Finland has something Fiskars - most common the scissors and second place probably axe. I must have 15-20 pcs of Fiskars tools - lots of scissors of course but most of the others are gardening tools like axes, shovels, rose scissors, tree branch cutters, dandylion remover etc. etc.

Fiskars also makes another tool type, very popular with the fishermen and even officials etc.: Buster aluminium boats.

And by the way, they also own Gerber. You know the company that makes knives and multifunction pliers. http://www.gerbergear.com/

 

[lok]

Lucky. All of that kind of stuff that I've seen over here was made in China I bought some of their pruners (Finnish) for my mother a bit ago but none of the other ones were any good (Aka made in you-know-where). How do those grass shear-looking ones work? We need a new one since the last pair(?) got left outside and rusted (also made in.. blah).

Also, let me know how those scizzors work out for you. I'm always on the look out for nice scizzors that don't do the whole bend sideways when you cut something thicker than a molecule of air thing.

@ Trucky. Take a look at the gedore scizzors if you can. I'm sure you'll impressed.

 

[american lockpicker]

How do those grass shear-looking ones work?

They are kinda like sideways cutting scissors. They work ok as long as the grass isn't too thick, I used them on one job where a string trimmer would destroy some old brittle siding on a house.

LOL, never thought of Fiskars stuff as actual tools but I guess they are. Every family in Finland has something Fiskars - most common the scissors and second place probably axe. I must have 15-20 pcs of Fiskars tools - lots of scissors of course but most of the others are gardening tools like axes, shovels, rose scissors, tree branch cutters, dandylion remover etc. etc.

And by the way, they also own Gerber. You know the company that makes knives and multifunction pliers. http://www.gerbergear.com/

Fiskars is also very popular over here and they used to have production here in the last century. Most of their stuff is Chinese nowadays...

I would love to see what you got. And yea I know they own Gerber it also seems they started outsourcing after Fiskars bought them...

 

[bart1]

Perfect harmony between Germany (Stahlwille long 1/4" drive purchased here) and the US (SK from Epstein). I'll be giving these to my brother to keep in his Bimmer.

 

[Krokodil]

Those Stahlwille 1/4 ratchets are awesome!

 

[bart1]

Those Stahlwille 1/4 ratchets are awesome!

They seem very nice, not incredibly smooth or a high tooth count, but feel very solid and well made, like my Hazets.

 

[vtec-kamikaze]

Here is mine, i'm from the dutch...
sorry for the crappy pics,
i need more tools... and stickers


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[Krokodil]

Nice stuff! Love the metal pegboard!

 

[lok]

Here is mine, i'm from the dutch...
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wow awesome tools vtec-kamikaze!!!!

And very nice first post.


If you find a better camera take some more detailed photos.

 

[lok]

More tools..
I've used them a bit and I am very satisfied. Difficult to say yet if my old nws was better or not.
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I think that this one we haven't seen it so far
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I need more.

 

[Monte]

You're right, "Monte". Maybe I will buy "Supertool" option, but takes a week to arrive, as opposed to the set "Channellock" available from a local store.

There is a "Knipex" and "NWS" option too

This wrench is from the BMW motorcycles toolkit

Thanks for the info !

More old tools. Not mine of course. Some of them are older than me. All with hard every day use and very often many of them have used the wrong way.

wow great old quality tools
What else you got ? I see a Felo Torx (?) key set !

Ι can't see the manufacturer cause of the too many hits.

Looks used

Almost forgot this 1/4" Belzer set , a bit earlier with a Facom style ratchet

my favourite Brand

My fav. 1/4" ratchet , difficult to say , in practical terms I have to say I use Stahlwille because IMHO they are the best & strongest,

That´s what i wanted to hear

I do use Snap-On chrome for better jobs like engine build up & trim , however I do find it difficult to come to terms breaking in a new SO as a working tool (you probably understand).

They look sooo nice if new ....

On the subject of ratchets , I have had some Hilka 3/8" drive ratchets 30 years in regular use - alongside Snap-On 3/8" , the occasional overnight dip in clean oil , impressive cheap tool - possibly no longer so ?

pics pics pics

What do you do with all these ?
YOU SOUND LIKE MY WIFE !!!
The normal reply is :-
Seems the common reply from around these parts / the world.

lol sorry usually i surf around in german forums where you don´t see such excess in tools so i´m sorry for my sometimes strange questions

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nice Wiha T-handles !

Today:

exotic tools

Here's some of the panel tools from the 1966 catalog.

Do you have a scanner ?

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Nice Fiskars collection

Here is mine, i'm from the dutch...

very nice quality tool collection ! Thanks for sharing the pics with us !!!

How do you like the Carolus combi wrenches and the Carolus deep sockets ? (Fitment etc. ?)

More tools..

nice Gedore + Wurth tool haul !!!!!!

I need more.

 

[Krokodil]

Monte, please tell us more about your favorite brand. Are they closed down since the Bacho merge or only rebranded under new names?

 

[jk47]

Monte, please tell us more about your favorite brand. Are they closed down since the Bacho merge or only rebranded under new names?

I believe Belzer is no more... I bought a set of off set combo wrenches from here

https://www.buerklin.com/default.as...e-Belzer-1952-M10&event=ShowDvNr(L136180)&l=e

But a set of Bahco's showed up, the wrenches look exactly the same except for the name on them. I had heard the last of the Belzer wrenches were made in Agentina, and these were as well. Very nice wrenches for a reasonable price.

 

[Krokodil]

This is what confused me as well. I was looking at Bacho sockets on a retail website, but the detail picture had Belzer written on the socket. However the very same socket on the Bacho website has Bacho inscriptions. Are these then still made by the Belzer factory under the Bacho name. What is the COO?

 

[AutomatiquE]

I think that this one we haven't seen it so far

Interresting Japanese driver Where did you buy it ? How much ?

 

[jalfaro]

Perfect harmony between Germany (Stahlwille long 1/4" drive purchased here) and the US (SK from Epstein)...

Nice set bart1

Here is mine, i'm from the dutch...

Great way to start vtec-kamikaze

More tools..
I've used them a bit and I am very satisfied. Difficult to say yet if my old nws was better or not.
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Nice set of pliers (The needle nose pliers especially ) lok (and screwdrivers of course)

There is a "Knipex" and "NWS" option too

Thanks for the info Monte, in fact I've been looking Knipex brand models (Adjustable Pliers) on amazon Possibly buy a model of this brand

To continue with my idea of ​​Japanese tools, possibly buy too this Lobster pliers (TG200NA model) available in levelchrome.com, which seems very functional

 

[jk47]

This is what confused me as well. I was looking at Bacho sockets on a retail website, but the detail picture had Belzer written on the socket. However the very same socket on the Bacho website has Bacho inscriptions. Are these then still made by the Belzer factory under the Bacho name. What is the COO?

The box said made in Argentina, I assume Bahco took over the factory and slightly changed the die's to have their name stamped into the wrench.

 

[Monte]

Monte, please tell us more about your favorite brand. Are they closed down since the Bacho merge or only rebranded under new names?

Unfortunately on the new Bahco website there is less info, so iirc in 1988 Bahco (or Sandvik ?) bought "Belzer-Dowidat" which already merged in 1975 (?) to form the "DWU" "Deutsche Werkzeug Union" ("German tool union"). What i heard is that they shut down the production in germany (2000 ?) and shipped the machines to argentina where Bahco already had production. It seems Bahco wanted to get ahold of the steel patents and the customer base with the purchase of the DWU. How long they used the Belzer name ? I dunno... Belzer was/is (?) used for the professional/mechanics range of sockets/wrenches/pliers, the socket sets came/come in red metal cases vs. the orange plastic cases of the DIY range.
Apparently you can still find pics of recent tools with the Belzer name or sticker on the tool/box:

like sockets:
http://www.bahco-werkzeuge.de/categories/206_215_748.html

socket sets:
http://www.bahco-werkzeuge.de/categories/206_218.html

These translucent handled pliers were (are) sold as Belzer too, even if they already were outsourced to sweden + France. Belzer price is still there, Belzer design no longer (except combi pliers)...Steel quality ? maybe...?
http://www.bahco-werkzeuge.de/categories/809_819.html

http://www.bahco-werkzeuge.de/categories/809_810.html

http://www.bahco-werkzeuge.de/categories/809_816.html

The DWU once was the largest german tool company with 1100 employees in the 70´s and worth 53 million DM (27 million €) when Easco wanted to buy them in 1977. Nowadays it´s difficult to find the tools in red cases since many dealers have dropped the brand due to DIY stores sell Bahco now and the direction Bahco is heading towards DIY users.

Thanks for the info Monte, in fact I've been looking Knipex brand models (Adjustable Pliers) on amazon Possibly buy a model of this brand

To continue with my idea of ​​Japanese tools, possibly buy too this Lobster pliers (TG200NA model) available in levelchrome.com, which seems very functional

The jaw design looks very interesting !!!

 

[Krokodil]

Thanks Monte!

 

[mrtools]

Congratulation to all GJ member especially our "Sifu" monte, for 500 pages!!!!!!

I'm very busy last weeks and just finish read a a latest post..thanks to all to share their awesome pics/opinion/ etc..about tools

Here my latest tools purchased

Not NOS item but OOS old old stock Vessel - faded packing..sales man said it a 11 years old stock!!! I like old tools with awesome material

MTC cutters really nice made cutter

awesome made + finish

Vise Grip locking pliers..purchased it for my buddy

not all tools user like their locking style.. I mean their backward push release trigger, but for me it more safety than conventional lock mechanism everyone have their own priority.. It your tools and your hand, who's care!!!!

 

[american lockpicker]

Nice vice(err vise) grips.

 

[jalfaro]

Here my latest tools purchased

Excellent acquisitions Mrtools

This ratchet screwdriver be definitively worth it for the mere fact of being stored for so long and not have changes or alterations (and because it is VESSEL brand, of course). On the other hand, you're lucky to get the pliers "VISE GRID" still made ​​in USA, since lately I've been trying to get some in the local market that belongs to an old stock but it was not possible.

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Last week I needed pliers pressure, so I searched the old tool box of my dad and found some interesting things:

Pressure pliers Vise-Grid (the knob fit indicates that the patent is pending)


Two wrenches, a 1/2" Stanley made ​​in USA, and other 7/8" and 15/16" does not indicate the country of origin, only the name "Weyersberg" is stamped (from what I've seen can be German but I have not investigated further, sorry)



Hazet extension (1/2")


Hero socket (1")

 

[Monte]

Not NOS item but OOS old old stock Vessel - faded packing..sales man said it a 11 years old stock!!! I like old tools with awesome material

or "VONOS" Very Old New Old Stock
Awesome tools you found !! The ratcheting screwdriver looks very nice, the MTC pliers look fantastic and even a old pair of USA vice grips Nice haul

​​"Weyersberg" is stamped (from what I've seen can be German but I have not investigated further, sorry)

Sounds german and looks german
Interesting to see what tools make it all the way to Costa Rica !


@american lockpicker:
since you are so interested in finnish products (?) here a work shoe/boots manufacturer from finland for you www.jalas.fi






New Stahlwille "sealed head" 1/2" ratchets !

new Racodon punches with patented handle

 

[jalfaro]

Sounds german and looks german
Interesting to see what tools make it all the way to Costa Rica !

Definitely Monte, although currently Hazet (among others brands) has great respect and recognition in the local market, I admit that there are other European brands could have ever imagined to find (like this wrench)

New Stahlwille "sealed head" 1/2" ratchets !

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new Racodon punches with patented handle

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I really like sealed ratchets, mainly because this design minimizes the entry of dirt, and of course the finish is much cleaner

Excellent design of punches, you can appreciate the work on the ergonomics of the handle

 

[mofo62]

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Much Thanks for information Monte.

New Stahlwille "sealed head" 1/2" ratchets !

 

[Monte]

Definitely Monte, although currently Hazet (among others brands) has great respect and recognition in the local market, I admit that there are other European brands could have ever imagined to find (like this wrench)

Are there many foreign brands available in Costa Rica or mostly american (i guess ?) ? 25 years ago i visited that region (Haiti, Puerto Rico, Costa Rica, Curaçao etc...) and everything looked very american (at least the Police cars i can remember (Chevy Caprice/Impala) and the fire engines and the Harley police motorcycles )

I really like sealed ratchets, mainly because this design minimizes the entry of dirt, and of course the finish is much cleaner

Excellent design of punches, you can appreciate the work on the ergonomics of the handle

yeah they look interesting, can´t wait to see the ratchets live ! I have some sealed ratchets from snap-on but it seems the non-sealed ones work decades too ?

Sometimes even pin punches have to be reinvented to atract some new customers

Thanks Monte!

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Much Thanks for information Monte.

some window shopping

 

[jalfaro]

Are there many foreign brands available in Costa Rica or mostly american (i guess ?) ? 25 years ago i visited that region (Haiti, Puerto Rico, Costa Rica, Curaçao etc...) and everything looked very american (at least the Police cars i can remember (Chevy Caprice/Impala) and the fire engines and the Harley police motorcycles )

Much of the market now comes from Asia, Monte, for example: FORCE, STANLEY, GearWrench, SATA. With the trend of many U.S. companies to migrate their operations to ASIA, the offer had decayed, for example, is difficult to see "Craftsman" or "IRWIN" brands in many stores , since they lose their appeal to come from ASIA, or at least its differentiation from the continent's own brands.

However, there are specialized market segments for quality tools, primarily the European market, for example: HAZET, IREGA, WABECO, ROTHENBERGER, METABO...

And some distributors of brands like TRAMONTINA PRO, and PROTO.

Arguably the tools market from the USA has lost booming, while from Europe remains stable as it focuses on a sector with greater knowledge and quality estimates.