Tools from the old world

[CanUK]

Nice
what your opinion about old Britools and new Britools tools?
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I don't have much really old (made in England) britool stuff, but these bits (not made in England -or at least not marked as such) seem alright considering they were bought for quite cheap.

I have some of the brand new Britool Expert stuff. I'm not a tool-snob, and not being English I have no nostalgic feelings about older Britool made-in-England tools, so I think I can fairly say without bias that they're some of the worst-finished name-brand tools I've ever laid eyes or hands on.

I bought the Britool Expert stuff thinking it'd be at least as good, if not slightly better, than Halford's tools (which get pretty good reviews). The Halfords stuff is actually far, far nicer.

Ill try and get some pics, but the chrome is poorly applied, chipping and looks really thin even on the "good" tools. This is on brand-new unused tools from a sealed package. I've set the Britool Expert stuff aside and will be selling it on. I will not buy another Britool Expert product at any price.

I sent an email directly to Britool inquiring whether I may have just got hold of some bad examples and questions about warranty. I've had no reply from them, and their website is rubbish and very slow to update so it really seems they (Stanley?) aren't putting much effort into supporting the brand beyond glossy brochure photos.

 

[CanUK]

Awesome.. beautiful stuff
the plastic case looks very well made!!(

It seems alright. I thought I might list the case on ebay to recover some of the cost of the set, but it does a really good job of keeping the tools organised and compact in the drawer

I have the 1/4" Nano set as well, and a set in a plastic case with removable foam module that's based around the J.360 ratchet. The Nano case is really compact and clever, but I think I like the foam module best, at least in my tool box.

 

[shoturtle]

Interesting idea to stow away the creeper

Hi Torq,
the 600N wrenches are longer and have a thicker open end than the 111M wrenches. The 600N are more comparable to the Belzer 1952M. If i would have to buy only 1 set of combination wrenches i would buy a set with "strong" wrenches like Bahco/Belzer 1952M, Hazet 600N, Stahlwille Open Box 14, Gedore 1B etc.


i think you need new glasses



If the tool and the package doesn´t say "Made in Germany" than it´s not made here.
RM370 = Import
"Made by Metabo" = Import, Made by Metabo in China
"Made in PRC" = Import, possibly not made by Metabo
"Metabo, Nürtingen, Germany" = Import
"Made in Germany" = Made in Germany


I guess in the factory they had the higher priced models with bigger motors and more power ? The smaller ones for like 150 to 200€ look a bit flimsy


maybe "Felisatti" ? www.felisatti.it or Femi www.femi.it ?
There are more miter saws from Italy but mostly for metal/alu/PVC cutting like MEP, Imet, Pertici, Thomas, Macc...


no, it´s a fake In Germany is the Dewalt EU headquaters so the tools say "Dewalt, Idstein, Germany" but the tools are made in czech republic, Mexico, or China (some higher priced miter saws in Italy).
Maybe very old Dewalt tools were made here, or maybe they changed the COO already when they changed the brand name from "Elu" to "Dewalt" years ago. Back in the days the predecessors of Dewalt tools "Elu" tools were made in Germany + Switzerland later in England, USA and China too when Black + Decker bought Elu. Then later the color was changed from grey to yellow and the name and the COO changed too.

wow that´s expensive ! Do they have Bosch too ?

yes I´m happy !



ok

wow he seems to be a big Stanley fan ! Nice pics ! Thanks MrTools !
What other tools does he have ?



very nice antique clamps !! iirc the first "Richa" clamps in this thread ! Richa (as well as "Lust" and "Gross-Stabil" clamps) was taken over by Bessey years ago.


good decision ! (i guess ) Some detail pics would be nice !






tool/equipment holders from "Alfer"
www.alfer.de

 

[Rusik]

2-speed drill and rotary hammer. Sparky.
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[CanUK]

More ebay goodies today. Facom 12pt imperial (top) and metric 1/2" sockets. The metric 13mm is a britool expert so I'll be swapping that out when I can find a decently priced Facom. Not sure this qualifies as a bargain, but it worked out to a little over £2/socket shipped, so reasonable I think.

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[franzdom]

A couple things I have had for a long time.
Milwaukee made in Czech Republic:

Ciclo Linea - little cycling tool combo with tire levers, 3,4,5,6mm, Made in Italy or just Italian Quality?

 

[Bhae]

Any pics:

 

[shoturtle]

My latest power tool additions. Metabo miter saw, and a bunch of bosch 12v tools. I wasted no time putting the metabo to work, has to by a miter saw to work on trim molding along the stair case at home with allot of angles.

And when I got back to NYC, my package was waiting for me at my cousins' who brought it to the airport when they pick me up and dropped me off.

So Now I have 2 12v bosch chargers to sell.

 

[evobda2]

Thought id post up some tools which came in today.

Im just a weekend home mechanic on my project car, and also do a bit of home woodworking/cabinetmaking. But work and live in the city during the week which makes it a bit hard.
Ive never really had the time or money to build up a decent set of tools and power tools, but now my parents have built on to their existing shed there is much better room for a dedicated woodworking and tool room next to the project car garage.

I tend to buy the best i can afford at the time so that its going to last me as long as possible. I find if you spend the decent money once, you'll (hopefully) be much more satisfied when using them and won't have to replace them anywhere near as often as if you bought cheap items.

Some Gedore 7UR metric ratcheting spanners and standard combination spanners which I'm amazed how light they are. They feel great and solid in the hand yet still soft to touch because of the surface. Quiet happy with these.
Some assorted Gedore pliers and cutters, made in Austria but again have a nice feel and finish. Seem decent.
The Gedore adjustable spanners don't have a COO and feel ok, but nowhere near the standard or finish of the 7UR spanners etc. Obviously made somewhere else for cheap. Ive heard Brazil, South Africa or even China..?
I bought these from www.eurafco-shop.de which were so helpful. Outstanding customer service, reasonable shipping rates as well as good product prices. Will definitely be going back to them again.

Also added my Metabo 18v LTX drill i recently bought for general drilling duties. The LTX version i believe is German made (battery in china). Love this drill, loads of torque and very solid to hold. I believe the lower similar looking LT models are taiwanese/chinese made.
I also scored a Metabo OFE1229 router for peanuts off a guy who bought it and never used it.

Next on the list is metric socket sets. Either Gedore again or maybe Koken which I've heard are good on more rounded or older rusted nuts (especially on old cars). Also wanting a small 10-12v drill i can use for cabinet work. The Metabo is a bit heavy for that kind of stuff, and has a bit too much torque for finer screw work. Ive got a few other tools I've collected which i keep in some L-Boxx containers but didn't want to sit here all day taking photos. Maybe next time..

 

[shoturtle]

nice set of tools, the lxt are made in germany, they are excellent drills.

I just added 12v to my power tool line up to go along side 18v. Pretty much for the smaller size and less torque as well.

 

[evobda2]

Metabo don't really do a decent compact 10-12v do they? They do that 7.2v screw driver which is a great size for cabinets, but I'm not sure if that will be adequate if i need to do any drilling? Id also need to then buy another set of hex drill bits to suit which i don't want to really do as i have a good set of standard drill bits already.. More looking for something that can drill and screw but just as smaller size as possible.

I do like keeping to the one brand if i can but in this case it doesnt look like Metabo have what I'm after. So most likely get something like the Makita LXT 10.8v. They're decent price too.

 

[mrtools]

I don't have much really old (made in England) britool stuff, but these bits (not made in England -or at least not marked as such) seem alright considering they were bought for quite cheap.

I have some of the brand new Britool Expert stuff. I'm not a tool-snob, and not being English I have no nostalgic feelings about older Britool made-in-England tools, so I think I can fairly say without bias that they're some of the worst-finished name-brand tools I've ever laid eyes or hands on.

I bought the Britool Expert stuff thinking it'd be at least as good, if not slightly better, than Halford's tools (which get pretty good reviews). The Halfords stuff is actually far, far nicer.

Ill try and get some pics, but the chrome is poorly applied, chipping and looks really thin even on the "good" tools. This is on brand-new unused tools from a sealed package. I've set the Britool Expert stuff aside and will be selling it on. I will not buy another Britool Expert product at any price.

I sent an email directly to Britool inquiring whether I may have just got hold of some bad examples and questions about warranty. I've had no reply from them, and their website is rubbish and very slow to update so it really seems they (Stanley?) aren't putting much effort into supporting the brand beyond glossy brochure photos.

Err..sorry to asked you bad experience with Britool.
btw: thanks to share your experiences

It seems alright. I thought I might list the case on ebay to recover some of the cost of the set, but it does a really good job of keeping the tools organised and compact in the drawer
I have the 1/4" Nano set as well, and a set in a plastic case with removable foam module that's based around the J.360 ratchet. The Nano case is really compact and clever, but I think I like the foam module best, at least in my tool box.

Yes! you right, plastic case with removable foam module looks more tough and oldskool. I think the plastic insert case easy to break!

2-speed drill and rotary hammer. Sparky.

Nice do you know how old the drill?

More ebay goodies today. Facom 12pt imperial (top) and metric 1/2" sockets. The metric 13mm is a britool expert so I'll be swapping that out when I can find a decently priced Facom. Not sure this qualifies as a bargain, but it worked out to a little over £2/socket shipped, so reasonable I think.

Great! very reasonable prices
are you Facom fans?

Ciclo Linea - little cycling tool combo with tire levers, 3,4,5,6mm, Made in Italy or just Italian Quality?

Don't know
but it looks like one of the Japanese made bit ratchet

Any pics:

As usual.. awesome tools and pics

My latest power tool additions. Metabo miter saw, and a bunch of bosch 12v tools. I wasted no time putting the metabo to work, has to by a miter saw to work on trim molding along the stair case at home with allot of angles.

Nice Metabo miter saw! COO + prices?
..appreciate if you can take the photo of Metabo miter saw name plate

Thought id post up some tools which came in today.
I tend to buy the best i can afford at the time so that its going to last me as long as possible. I find if you spend the decent money once, you'll (hopefully) be much more satisfied when using them and won't have to replace them anywhere near as often as if you bought cheap items.
Some Gedore 7UR metric ratcheting spanners and standard combination spanners which I'm amazed how light they are. They feel great and solid in the hand yet still soft to touch because of the surface. Quiet happy with these.
Some assorted Gedore pliers and cutters, made in Austria but again have a nice feel and finish. Seem decent.

Welcome to the board
You have a really nice tools! awesome
Thanks to posted a pics
and don't forget to post some pics of your tools + garage if you have a times

Metabo don't really do a decent compact 10-12v do they? They do that 7.2v screw driver which is a great size for cabinets, but I'm not sure if that will be adequate if i need to do any drilling? Id also need to then buy another set of hex drill bits to suit which i don't want to really do as i have a good set of standard drill bits already.. More looking for something that can drill and screw but just as smaller size as possible.

The Metabo cordless driil/screwdrivers PowerMaxx 12 don't suit with your need?..according to their specification..it can drill, (10mm = steel, 22mm = wood) fix screw using spindle hexagon recess for screwdriver bits with 2 speed to screwing and drilling works plus adjustable torque and I think it compact enough (0.9kg) for cabinet use. If you choose PowerMaxx 12 Pro it comes with angle attachment for drilling and fixing screw in hard to reach areas..so take a looks

 

[evobda2]

The Metabo cordless driil/screwdrivers PowerMaxx 12 don't suit with your need?..according to their specification..it can drill, (10mm = steel, 22mm = wood) fix screw using spindle hexagon recess for screwdriver bits with 2 speed to screwing and drilling works plus adjustable torque and I think it compact enough (0.9kg) for cabinet use. If you choose PowerMaxx 12 Pro it comes with angle attachment for drilling and fixing screw in hard to reach areas..so take a looks

So they do. Cheers for that! I couldnt find it on their website for some reason? Ill check it out.

I have seen their angle piece and thought it could be handy.
Otherwise use something like the Milwaukee angle bit etc..

Is the Powermaxx 12 made in Germany or Taiwanese/Chinese?

 

[CanUK]

Today's first arrival. Monte might be partly to blame for this one Actually though it's more the case that I wanted a die/straight grinder and this one turned up on ebay at the lowest price. I'm only familiar with the brand thanks to this thread.

It's a brand-new Metabo GE700 (I believe these are actually made in Germany), which has turned up without any labels or packaging. Now I'm not really as concerned about branding as I am about the quality of the tool, but it does make me wonder about the particular circmstances of this purchase.

Anyhow it's a very solid, heavy and well-finished item. I haven't yet had a chance to use it other than to plug it in to see if it works.

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[mrtools]

recently my friend call me to repair his hand drill..the drill bit cannot be remove after he drill a 12mm X 200mm concrete hopes it not a BOSCH but it is a .....and sorry to says, the drill made in PRC

rubber pads peel of..

 

[Rusik]

Nice do you know how old the drill?

No. I do not know. I bought it new last year. All the while she was hanging on display in a store
Just chuck has changed for good. ROHM

 

[mrtools]

So they do. Cheers for that! I couldnt find it on their website for some reason? Ill check it out.

check their latest product catalog, I'm sure you find it

I have seen their angle piece and thought it could be handy.
Otherwise use something like the Milwaukee angle bit etc..
Is the Powermaxx 12 made in Germany or Taiwanese/Chinese?

the angle attachment is very cools!
don't know where is the COO PowerMaxx 12..hopes it made in Germny
are you from Europe?

Today's first arrival. Monte might be partly to blame for this one Actually though it's more the case that I wanted a die/straight grinder and this one turned up on ebay at the lowest price. I'm only familiar with the brand thanks to this thread.
It's a brand-new Metabo GE700 (I believe these are actually made in Germany), which has turned up without any labels or packaging. Now I'm not really as concerned about branding as I am about the quality of the tool, but it does make me wonder about the particular circmstances of this purchase.

nice
can we have the die grinder name plate photo
prices?

No. I do not know. I bought it new last year. All the while she was hanging on display in a store
Just chuck has changed for good. ROHM

OK...thanks!

 

[Mitkoasd]

Hello everybody from sunny and hot Bulgaria~! I'll show you my new tools from saturday's flea market in my town. Enjoy---

1. Two ''pipe'' wrenches 17-19 and 12-13 from Rahsol Germany (but i think it is made in India?!?!). I both this wrenches for 3 euro for couple.

2. Wooders Clamp ''Gross Stabil'' (Made in Germany). I both this for 7 euro and it look and work like a brand new one. In store this one costs around 25 euro or more i thing.

3. 13-17 Open-ended wrench branded "IUS" (Made in Romania). I both this one just for 1 euro. In official store this cost around 5 euro.

 

[CanUK]

nice
can we have the die grinder name plate photo
prices?

That's part of the problem -they (the name plate and info plate stickers) were either never installed or have been removed. Price was just £44 shipped, so as long as it's not stolen (no way to know, but he's sold several and seems to have been selling them for quite a while), and it doesn't break with my occasional/DIY use, then I'm happy.

 

[north]

Mitkoasd, nice flea market buys. Is IUS considered a quality brand?

Edit: £44 for the GE700? Those are normally £150-£200 I think. Coppers be stormin' your house anyday now.

 

[Mitkoasd]

north - Yes. IUS is quality brand because they are the biggest Romanian tool manufacturer since 1833. And they have a good name in East Europe. IUS is a part from MOB group (France) today.

 

[CanUK]

Err..sorry to asked you bad experience with Britool.
btw: thanks to share your experiences

No trouble at all. I'm not bitter about it - I've bought replacements and moved on (just need to get rid of the Brittol Expert stuff), but hopefully the comments will help someone else avoid the same disappointment

Great! very reasonable prices
are you Facom fans?

I didn't know of the brand at all before immigrating to the UK, but when I started to rebuild my set of tools I did a bit of research and it seemed like a reasonable brand. I suppose I'm guilty as well of liking things that match or belong together (maybe a little bit OCD?), but it also helps that there tends to be some really good (or at least reasonable) deals on Facom stuff if you search hard.

 

[Rusik]

north - Yes. IUS is quality brand because they are the biggest Romanian tool manufacturer since 1833. And they have a good name in East Europe. IUS is a part from MOB group (France) today.

Привет!!!

In Soviet times, we had a lot of goods from Eastern Europe. But for the first time I heard about IUS.

 

[Hetman]

Привет!!!

In Soviet times, we had a lot of goods from Eastern Europe. But for the first time I heard about IUS.

AFAIK these "goods" were mostly inferior to soviet-made ones. That's because you could make them from the best high alloy steel and didn't care because it still was cheap.

 

[Rusik]

AFAIK these "goods" were mostly inferior to soviet-made ones. That's because you could make them from the best high alloy steel and didn't care because it still was cheap.

Yes. You are right. In the USSR, the price of goods often do not reflect the cost of the material. The price was such a party indicates

 

[jzt]

Привет!!!

In Soviet times, we had a lot of goods from Eastern Europe. But for the first time I heard about IUS.

Привет, Руслан

AFAIK these "goods" were mostly inferior to soviet-made ones. That's because you could make them from the best high alloy steel and didn't care because it still was cheap.

The steel was/is cheap, the manufacturing/finishing was not so great in the USSR. The tools were not a joy to work with, they were somewhat crude.

 

[Mitkoasd]

I'm happy form that to show you one new brand of quality and cheap tools. You can see their website here -- http://www.ius.ro/

 

[north]

Thanks for the link and previous answer. Do they make all their tools themselves in their new factory? The ratchets looks like much of what comes out of Taiwan.

 

[Rusik]

I'm happy form that to show you one new brand of quality and cheap tools. You can see their website here -- http://www.ius.ro/

Thank you. Catalog looked. I wonder.

 

[Mitkoasd]

I don't know nothing about their ratchets IUS is famous mostly with their hard tools like wrenches rods and levers. Manufacturing of ratchets in Romania will be expensive enterprise and it is most logic that they made it ratchets in Taiwan.

 

[Hetman]

Привет, Руслан



The steel was/is cheap, the manufacturing/finishing was not so great in the USSR. The tools were not a joy to work with, they were somewhat crude.

Still better than ones from Warsaw Pact countries. Communism killed quality everywhere...
Look at PRC, good tools are only those manufactured under brands owned by capitalists .

 

[marcone]

I don't have much really old (made in England) britool stuff, but these bits (not made in England -or at least not marked as such) seem alright considering they were bought for quite cheap.

I have some of the brand new Britool Expert stuff. I'm not a tool-snob, and not being English I have no nostalgic feelings about older Britool made-in-England tools, so I think I can fairly say without bias that they're some of the worst-finished name-brand tools I've ever laid eyes or hands on.

I bought the Britool Expert stuff thinking it'd be at least as good, if not slightly better, than Halford's tools (which get pretty good reviews). The Halfords stuff is actually far, far nicer.

Ill try and get some pics, but the chrome is poorly applied, chipping and looks really thin even on the "good" tools. This is on brand-new unused tools from a sealed package. I've set the Britool Expert stuff aside and will be selling it on. I will not buy another Britool Expert product at any price.

I sent an email directly to Britool inquiring whether I may have just got hold of some bad examples and questions about warranty. I've had no reply from them, and their website is rubbish and very slow to update so it really seems they (Stanley?) aren't putting much effort into supporting the brand beyond glossy brochure photos.

Sorry about your experience with Britool Expert. What were the tools that dissapointed you?

I have the old style 1/4-3/8 drive hex set pictured somewhere around here and it's a good buy at least for home use.
I also have a 1/2 socket set from the new Expert range and I have to say that the chrome is all there and looking fine. AFAIK sockets are made in France by Facom while the ratchet is from Taiwan but all in all I consider it a good buy. Sorry about the pic quality, dont havethe camera nor the lighting for chrome pictures.

 

[CanUK]

Sorry about your experience with Britool Expert. What were the tools that dissapointed you?

I have the old style 1/4-3/8 drive hex set pictured somewhere around here and it's a good buy at least for home use.
I also have a 1/2 socket set from the new Expert range and I have to say that the chrome is all there and looking fine. AFAIK sockets are made in France by Facom while the ratchet is from Taiwan but all in all I consider it a good buy. Sorry about the pic quality, dont havethe camera nor the lighting for chrome pictures.

The sockets might be made in France by Facom (although I'm doubtful), but they definitely aren't made the same as Facom. I own both and the finish, design, and fit (on the ratchet) are notably different.

For whatever it might be worth, I think they might have a closer association with Bost than Facom-they both use the same dimpled pattern.

I'm not so much doubting that they're functional and maybe even reasonably durable, but I'm not at all impressed with the finish. Not just the pieces that are flawed, bur even the "good" bits look cheap next to some better quality items. I'll try and get some pics when time permits.

Off the top of my head, from the Britool Expert range, I have the 1/2" metric rail, the 1/4" metric rail, the mixed female torx rail, a set of hex bit sockets, and a 61-piece 3/8" set in a case. All brand new and for sale if you're keen

For comparison of sockets, I have a large selection of Facom and Halfords and older Britool (stuff from the red and blue packaging, pre-Expert) along with some Ko-ken, Toptul even stuff from Aldi and Lidl (and even that I'd rate a better quality of finish).

Then there's the issue of product support from Britool -which as mentioned seems non-existant.

I could have decided to keep the Expert stuff I have and just live with it. I may never have had any real issues. I wouldn't have been happy though, knowing that I could have spent similar or less money on better quality Halfords tools and been able to exchange them in my local store if I had any issues.

 

[shoturtle]

Metabo don't really do a decent compact 10-12v do they? They do that 7.2v screw driver which is a great size for cabinets, but I'm not sure if that will be adequate if i need to do any drilling? Id also need to then buy another set of hex drill bits to suit which i don't want to really do as i have a good set of standard drill bits already.. More looking for something that can drill and screw but just as smaller size as possible.

I do like keeping to the one brand if i can but in this case it doesnt look like Metabo have what I'm after. So most likely get something like the Makita LXT 10.8v. They're decent price too.

They have a 12v max, which is the same as the other brands 12. They have a model with a removable chuck so you can use it as a bit driver, and a 90 degree adapter drilling at right angles. They also have an extended life battery.

It is actually a very nice drill, made in china. Only reason I did not get the metabo was that it did not have as many tool options for 12v compare to bosch.

http://www.toolstop.co.uk/metabo-po...-pro-cordless-drill-driver-2-batteries-p14014

 

[Bhae]

More pics:

 

[shoturtle]

Nice Metabo miter saw! COO + prices?
..appreciate if you can take the photo of Metabo miter saw name plate

It was 230 Euros. I am not in germany right now so I can not take a photo of the plate. But for that price I am pretty sure it is china. Metabo's lower price tools are made in china. I will check the next time I am home.

 

[north]

I like those King Tony 'Facom' ratchets.

 

[Rusik]

King Tony and Facom. they are made in one factory in Taiwan?

 

[north]

I believe round head Facom ratchets are made in Italy and their newest pear heads are made in Taiwan.

The King Tony ratchet pictured have a round head/shank that resembles the old style Facom ratchet with a rubber grip like the newer Facom ratchets.

 

[jzt]

It looks like they copied the design somewhat.