Tools from the old world
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Miskin
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At last a NWS FantasticoPlus found inside my mailbox. My first one. 
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At last a NWS FantasticoPlus found inside my mailbox. My first one.
It looks stronger than Knipex 73 72 180, but longer...
Miskin
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200 mm long, the "twin force" you refer is 180 mm. I can't say about Knipex's leverage, but the leverage of NWS is something unprecedented for me.
jalfaro
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Nothing better to offer variety of options to customers, BhaeAt last a NWS FantasticoPlus found inside my mailbox.
Thanks for the demostration
mr_jack
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Looks very good, mate!
But what's this you're cutting? A nail?
Miskin
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Looks very good, mate!
But what's this you're cutting? A nail?
It's stainless steel. We use it to make stainless steel dowel pins.
Miskin
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Thanks, I feel much better now.
Today's haul:
A 18x19 Golden City No1, Made in Germany. Google doesn't wanna know, anyone on here maybe?
So... now we are two members who want to know about Golden City (not the Aztec lost city, or whatever...)
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the pipes that we cut are for solar systems but cutting em does not make me a plumber
nice choice. I absolutly love my alpen drill bits. I was so surprise when I first time tried a high quality drill bit compared to the cheap bits that I used before.
Went like butter through the wall
mr_jack
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No, it's made in China.Sparky, photos from polish shop. No COO, I guess it's made in Bulgaria. Looks better than german brands.
superautobacs
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Thanks. They're brilliant for electronics work.
They're definitely pricey though, so I had to be patient to find these at a good price (both are discontinued in Lindstrom's catalog, but still made by Ideal-tek). Hard to find Ideal-tek in North America, but TDI carries them if you're interested, and seem to have decent prices (better value for the NC models vs. other competitors, such as Dumont; SA are much closer, but Ideal-tek offers SMD patterns that others don't which are highly useful).
Not been that impressed with the Pakistan made tweezers I've seen (been awhile though), but I do have hemostats made there that work well. Perhaps their QC has improved on the tweezers? Pics would be nice if it's not too much trouble.
Pictures, yes I did take them for you.
Here's some lovely Pakistani ones. No comparison to your Lindstroms, which you probably use for a living. The black one is old and is from Japan.
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RCStocker
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Isn't China part of the ancient world, not the old world? The Great Wall Of China is. It kept the Mongikuans out. That would make all Chinese tools coming form the ancient world which was before the old world. LOL Just pondering the old world. I thought that was BC Oboma. LOL
superautobacs
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Ko-ken offered spanners at one time, but they've been discontinued. They weren't made in Japan, but in Italy....more specifically, by Beta.
Unfortunately, I wasn't expecting the beam to be so thin.
And my most pompous tool set that never gets use. I discovered it a few days ago and decided a picture is needed to remind myself that I still have them.:
Unfortunately, I wasn't expecting the beam to be so thin.
And my most pompous tool set that never gets use. I discovered it a few days ago and decided a picture is needed to remind myself that I still have them.
:Yeah, I hate when the beam is thin like that.
I have some Toptul wrenches and the thin beam makes them really torture. I don't use them for that reason. They're actually quite well made except for the design. But bad design is enough for the kiss of death.
My favorite combination wrench of all time is the old Hazet 600 series. The beam is nice and broad and round. The matte finish is absolutely ideal. I can only describe it as silky. Wrench perfection
Stahlwilles also feel really nice.
The beam isn't that wide on Snap-Ons, but for some reason they feel great anyway.
I collect combination wrenches and usually buy a 14mm if I'm going to buy just one. For comparison purposes.
I have some Toptul wrenches and the thin beam makes them really torture. I don't use them for that reason. They're actually quite well made except for the design. But bad design is enough for the kiss of death.
My favorite combination wrench of all time is the old Hazet 600 series. The beam is nice and broad and round. The matte finish is absolutely ideal. I can only describe it as silky. Wrench perfection
Stahlwilles also feel really nice.
The beam isn't that wide on Snap-Ons, but for some reason they feel great anyway.
I collect combination wrenches and usually buy a 14mm if I'm going to buy just one. For comparison purposes.
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That (14mm) is just because Monte has already bought up all of the 13mm singles in the world, right?
I think a photo of your collection is in order please
Have you tried the Facom/Toptuls in the rounded and curved I-beam style?
Yes, you're right. In every obscure old hardware store I go to, they say some German guy driving a Monte Carlo was there before me and bought the 13mm's. It's like "Kilroy was here" or something! 
I'll arrange a photo shoot but it might take a while...
By pulling all my combination wrenches out all at once, you're forcing me to face my combination wrench disease straight on.
I don't know if I'm ready or not. Then I might have to face my screwdriver disease, then my socket disease.... Maybe I should stay in denial a little bit longer before I hit rock bottom. At least long enough to finish my collection!
I'm fine! I can stop whenever I want!- Really!
How do you know you've hit rock bottom? When you can't even stop yourself from buying made in China wrenches in a bargain store. I'm not there yet. So there! I'm fine.
Anyway, to answer your question:I haven't tried the new Facoms yet. Facom likes to make unusual shapes, they're like Citroen: You feel like they're trying to give you culture shock all the time. I've got Facom screwdrivers and I still can't figure out whether I like them or not. They're very odd shaped handles. They say they're ergonomic, but I think that they're actually just wierd.
I'll arrange a photo shoot but it might take a while...
By pulling all my combination wrenches out all at once, you're forcing me to face my combination wrench disease straight on.
I don't know if I'm ready or not. Then I might have to face my screwdriver disease, then my socket disease.... Maybe I should stay in denial a little bit longer before I hit rock bottom. At least long enough to finish my collection! I'm fine! I can stop whenever I want!- Really!
How do you know you've hit rock bottom? When you can't even stop yourself from buying made in China wrenches in a bargain store. I'm not there yet. So there! I'm fine.
Anyway, to answer your question:I haven't tried the new Facoms yet. Facom likes to make unusual shapes, they're like Citroen: You feel like they're trying to give you culture shock all the time. I've got Facom screwdrivers and I still can't figure out whether I like them or not. They're very odd shaped handles. They say they're ergonomic, but I think that they're actually just wierd.
Yes, you're right. In every obscure old hardware store I go to, they say some German guy driving a Monte Carlo was there before me and bought the 13mm's. It's like "Kilroy was here" or something!
I'll arrange a photo shoot but it might take a while...
By pulling all my combination wrenches out all at once, you're forcing me to face my combination wrench disease straight on.
I'm fine! I can stop whenever I want!- Really!
How do you know you've hit rock bottom? When you can't even stop yourself from buying made in China wrenches in a bargain store. I'm not there yet. So there! I'm fine.
Anyway, to answer your question:I haven't tried the new Facoms yet. Facom likes to make unusual shapes, they're like Citroen: You feel like they're trying to give you culture shock all the time. I've got Facom screwdrivers and I still can't figure out whether I like them or not. They're very odd shaped handles. They say they're ergonomic, but I think that they're actually just wierd.
Yeah, I have a set of the current version of screwdrivers as well. No major issues, but I like the shape and grip offered by the Wiha handles a lot better, so I've built-out my collection on those instead. Cheaper as well!
The Facom spanners are worth a look though (or the Toptul equivalent) -not terribly long, but the beam shape just seems to makes sense. I'd like to see how they hold up in the sort of strength test Monte posted the pdf of before (they tested an older style Facom spanner).
I assume you can get a lot of Toptul in Taiwan? What about the flex-head socket spanners?:
I'm lusting after a set of those but they don't seem to be available here. Not sure if importing them would be economical either - vs buying a European version (the Facom's are pricey and probably the exact same thing).
The vast majority of my screwdrivers are Wiha also.
Wiha and Knipex are the only German brands that are readily available in Taiwan tool shops.
There are also some Hafu, Gedore and NWS if you're lucky.
I took a trip up to the Hazet importer up in Taoyuan a few weeks ago. It's just a small shop. I found some great deals on odd lots of obsolete old stock. I was like a shark who smells blood-a feeding frenzy! They had some sizes of old 600 series combination wrenches in SAE only. I bought enough to make about half a set. I'll need to post some photos.
You may find it strange, but Toptul is not readily available in Taiwan. It's all for direct export. You have to order it from a wholesaler. Toptul does not directly market here at all.
Wiha and Knipex are the only German brands that are readily available in Taiwan tool shops.
There are also some Hafu, Gedore and NWS if you're lucky.
I took a trip up to the Hazet importer up in Taoyuan a few weeks ago. It's just a small shop. I found some great deals on odd lots of obsolete old stock. I was like a shark who smells blood-a feeding frenzy! They had some sizes of old 600 series combination wrenches in SAE only. I bought enough to make about half a set. I'll need to post some photos.
You may find it strange, but Toptul is not readily available in Taiwan. It's all for direct export. You have to order it from a wholesaler. Toptul does not directly market here at all.
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Are you serious?
It says 'Made in EU".
Old Eltos angle grinders had good reputation in Poland, I thought Sparky would be something reliable, but if it's PRC I'll rather buy Kress.
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New arrivals, and a tale of epic customer service:
I bought a Facom R2Nano set on ebay recently from UK Tool Centre for £55 shipped (bargain!). I already have a Nano set, but with the RL.161 pear-head ratchet. I was keen to have the R.161 round-head ratchet, but this seemed like a more economical option as the round-head ratchet alone would have cost nearly half that.
Anyhow, they sent me the RL.Nano set that includes the pear-head ratchet. I contacted them and without question they ordered and sent me the R.161, and told me to just keep the RL.161 as well for the trouble!
I've always believed that while everyone makes the occasional mistake, it's how they put things right that's the true measure of a person or company. On this point UK Tool Centre have definitely gone the extra mile!
On some days, Karma lets you win:
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I bought a Facom R2Nano set on ebay recently from UK Tool Centre for £55 shipped (bargain!). I already have a Nano set, but with the RL.161 pear-head ratchet. I was keen to have the R.161 round-head ratchet, but this seemed like a more economical option as the round-head ratchet alone would have cost nearly half that.
Anyhow, they sent me the RL.Nano set that includes the pear-head ratchet. I contacted them and without question they ordered and sent me the R.161, and told me to just keep the RL.161 as well for the trouble!
I've always believed that while everyone makes the occasional mistake, it's how they put things right that's the true measure of a person or company. On this point UK Tool Centre have definitely gone the extra mile!
On some days, Karma lets you win:
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willhollin
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You can never have too many of those, I have four of them.
4 Nano sets?! Wasn't that long ago you didn't have any!
They are brilliant though. Just waiting for the 3/8" Dbox to get to a price I can afford
willhollin
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Three are the old style, only one NANO so far.......
jalfaro
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Hi Alfajuj,
I am reading your conversation with CanUK, and the fact that toptul (I don't see this brand in my country) wrenches are not available in Taiwan has called my attention, so I want ask the same question but about Force brand, that is very available in Costa Rica (and some America Countries).
mr_jack
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Are you serious?
It says 'Made in EU".
Old Eltos angle grinders had good reputation in Poland, I thought Sparky would be something reliable, but if it's PRC I'll rather buy Kress.
The old Eltos grinders had very good reputation not only in Poland, but also in the USSR where they were called "bolgarka". I have friends that got their Eltos grinders from their fathers and they still work good.
The thing is that most of the Sparky production now is assembled or just packed in Lovetch and Rousse (2 cities in my country). If you take a look at their catalog everything in it looks so ... asian.
I think that the only power tools that are made in Bulgaria now are the 230 mm angle grinders and their largest 2-Speed impact drill - the BUR2 350E - http://sparkypowertools.com/en/tools/code8/code12/BUR2_350E. It's an old AEG design, but it works. Here in Bulgaria people use it mostly as a paddle mixer for tile-laying adhesive, because the motor and the gearbox really are durable. I've seen 350's covered with tile adhesive and the damn things sill work and work.
I have a BUR2 350E. It's big and it works great. I use it for drilling in metal with diameters up to 12 mm (16mm max) and also with hole saws in metal. And sometimes I use it also to drive some large diameter screws, when there's no power in the battery of the cordless drill-driver.
I know that there are many better drills than my BUR2 350E, but for the price of 100E it's just great!
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Sparky, photos from polish shop. No COO, I guess it's made in Bulgaria. Looks better than german brands.
it looks nice ... a little bit strange with the red gearcase ..but nice.... but better than the germans ... ???
in the german black/green design from Eibenstock Sparky looks better
solar plumberthe pipes that we cut are for solar systems but cutting em does not make me a plumber
i have one where the runout is not good but the others are very nice ! And the price is reasonable ( at least the imported bits are not cheaper)nice choice. I absolutly love my alpen drill bits. I was so surprise when I first time tried a high quality drill bit compared to the cheap bits that I used before.
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Looks like they´re made in Bulgaria...
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Hi forum members,
this is my first posting on GJ; I´ve been reading your excellent tools-thread for a while now (could be the longest thread i have ever seen on a board?), and i thought I would show some of my tools too. I can see that many of you guys are collectors with a big C, I try myself not to exegerate when i´m in shops, only buying what I need for our bicycles and our old Range Rover, but at the local fleemarkets I collect whats around of "tools from the old world". Its funny to read an american-based forum, because the brands are inmany ways so different from what you normally find here in Denmark.
Its not like i think US tools are better or worse than european tools, they´re just...different
OK, first, my cave (garage) - the square hole-board is from a closed Volvo workshop. Sadly i havent got the original pins and hooks for the tools.
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If there´s any tool you would like to see in detail, please ask - I will take more pictures soon...
Latest stuff from our local fleemarket (in Rødovre, just outside Copenhagen)
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The Belzeryl close-up
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The Zinck
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Tire pressure meter - from USSR? Guess, anyone? The unit is the same as Bar, I guess
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Steel ruler close-up - Made in Eskilstuna, Sweden
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Oh yes, you got to have music when you work...one of my vintage Grundig portable radios - the "Concertboy" - really like the silly names they had, Partyboy, Radioboy, etc...
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From the 80´s they moved production to Malaysia, but this one is "old world"..
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OK, got get slome sleep now...keep on posting your lovely tools.
this is my first posting on GJ; I´ve been reading your excellent tools-thread for a while now (could be the longest thread i have ever seen on a board?), and i thought I would show some of my tools too. I can see that many of you guys are collectors with a big C, I try myself not to exegerate when i´m in shops
, only buying what I need for our bicycles and our old Range Rover, but at the local fleemarkets I collect whats around of "tools from the old world". Its funny to read an american-based forum, because the brands are inmany ways so different from what you normally find here in Denmark.Its not like i think US tools are better or worse than european tools, they´re just...different
OK, first, my cave (garage) - the square hole-board is from a closed Volvo workshop. Sadly i havent got the original pins and hooks for the tools.
View media item 25247Its a bit of a mess right now, but I can usually find what I need...
If there´s any tool you would like to see in detail, please ask - I will take more pictures soon...
Latest stuff from our local fleemarket (in Rødovre, just outside Copenhagen)
View media item 25252Two hammers, one soft face Belzeryl (Belzer) and one Carpenters hammer, standard danish style, from Zinck, Godthaab (Denmark, factory closed 1975)
The Belzeryl close-up
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The Zinck
View media item 25253I like the style with the thin steel lashes going through the head, it´s very reliable.
Tire pressure meter - from USSR? Guess, anyone? The unit is the same as Bar, I guess
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From the back
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Steel ruler close-up - Made in Eskilstuna, Sweden
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Oh yes, you got to have music when you work...one of my vintage Grundig portable radios - the "Concertboy" - really like the silly names they had, Partyboy, Radioboy, etc...
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From the 80´s they moved production to Malaysia, but this one is "old world"..
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OK, got get slome sleep now...keep on posting your lovely tools.
Force is a different story.
You can buy Force everywhere in Taiwan.
My friend has a repair shop and he has quite a few Force items and they seem to be holding up well.
What's the brand image of Force in other countries?
Thanks.Pictures, yes I did take them for you.
The black one is old and is from Japan.
BTW, do you happen to recall the pattern #/name of the spatulas and scraper tools?
The heavier build look to be rather useful for initial cleaning of thicker flux deposits.
BTW, the pairs I posted are for personal use in a home lab. But it's one of those situations that once you use that good of a tool, it's hard to use anything else.
superautobacs
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Nanofrog,
Sorry, I don't have an answer for you. I bought them (the one I use the most isn't in the picture) from a fleemarket a few years ago from an East Indian man. If I ever do go back, I'll take some pictures of his booth with hundreds of tweezers, scrapers, spatulas, etc. etc.
I finally decided to scan some pages from the 2007 Factory Gear Magazine:
Starting with a factory tour of Hazet:
Sorry, I don't have an answer for you. I bought them (the one I use the most isn't in the picture) from a fleemarket a few years ago from an East Indian man. If I ever do go back, I'll take some pictures of his booth with hundreds of tweezers, scrapers, spatulas, etc. etc.
I finally decided to scan some pages from the 2007 Factory Gear Magazine:
Starting with a factory tour of Hazet:
If possible, it would be appreciated. Thanks.
That (14mm) is just because Monte has already bought up all of the 13mm singles in the world, right?
I think a photo of your collection is in order please
Have you tried the Facom/Toptuls in the rounded and curved I-beam style?
Here's some photos of my combination wrench collection as requested:
The old Hazet 600 series is my all-time favorite
It's part of a partial set I've got of these in inch sizes. I've only got 1/2, 9/16, 5/8, 11/16, 13/16, 15/16, 1, 1-1/4 (this one is a 600N), 1-5/16, 1-3/8. I don't know where I'll get the others.
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Here's the others:
As you can see, I just make do with whatever tool roll (kit bag) I can get for my wrenches. Hazet doesn't make tool rolls for anything except their electric wrench set.
Hazet 600N metric- I'm going to fill out this set soon. This is my "go to" wrench set whenever work on something. I just need the 11, 22, 24 and 27.
Hazet 603 metric- full 27 piece set up to 41mm. These are short pattern wrenches, but not to the point of being midget wrenches. I think in Germany if you need shorter, you go to the DIN 894 single sided open end wrenches. You know, the ones that are always in black industrial finish. I've got a full set of those, too.
Stahlwille openbox 14 series very very cool wrenches. I use these a lot too.
Snap On OSH six point - Very, very **** wrench (if you can describe a wrench that way!) I've got the full set of these and the OEX series in inch sizes at my mom's house back in NY. I bought them off ebay and like most sellers, they only ship to a US addrss. So I'm going to ship them all at once.
I've also got a set of 1930s Plomb combination wrenches. These are the original combination wrenches. Plomb invented them. before that, everybody just used box wrenches and open-ends.
I've also got the 1940s Plomb "pebble finish" wrenches there.
As you can see, I just make do with whatever tool roll (kit bag) I can get for my wrenches. Hazet doesn't make tool rolls for anything except their electric wrench set.
Hazet 600N metric- I'm going to fill out this set soon. This is my "go to" wrench set whenever work on something. I just need the 11, 22, 24 and 27.
Hazet 603 metric- full 27 piece set up to 41mm. These are short pattern wrenches, but not to the point of being midget wrenches. I think in Germany if you need shorter, you go to the DIN 894 single sided open end wrenches. You know, the ones that are always in black industrial finish. I've got a full set of those, too.
Stahlwille openbox 14 series very very cool wrenches. I use these a lot too.
Snap On OSH six point - Very, very **** wrench (if you can describe a wrench that way!) I've got the full set of these and the OEX series in inch sizes at my mom's house back in NY. I bought them off ebay and like most sellers, they only ship to a US addrss. So I'm going to ship them all at once.
I've also got a set of 1930s Plomb combination wrenches. These are the original combination wrenches. Plomb invented them. before that, everybody just used box wrenches and open-ends.
I've also got the 1940s Plomb "pebble finish" wrenches there.
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And more...
Elora 205
WGB 230
Gedore No7 -very plain, utilitarian design.
Gedore 1B -Very unusual design: tons of offset on these. On the open end they look like Belzer, which are like the old Williams Superrench open end. Cool, cool, cool.
For my collection, I'd also like to get old Belzer, Mac, Proto, Billings, Williams, Matador, Facom, Beta, Walter, Heyco, etc. I'm just getting started!
Elora 205
WGB 230
Gedore No7 -very plain, utilitarian design.
Gedore 1B -Very unusual design: tons of offset on these. On the open end they look like Belzer, which are like the old Williams Superrench open end. Cool, cool, cool.
For my collection, I'd also like to get old Belzer, Mac, Proto, Billings, Williams, Matador, Facom, Beta, Walter, Heyco, etc. I'm just getting started!
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Thanks for the scans !!!!
nice collection of sets
expensive but nice New arrivals:
Just £1 for the pair of these. I don't need them, but at that price I had to buy them, just to see what they were like. The crappy mobile phone camera/flash has made them look like they have a poor finish, but in fact it's quite nice.
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And a pair of these. I'm not sure whether the little grooves are meant for measuring, or maybe just to grip a bit better as it cuts?
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Just £1 for the pair of these. I don't need them, but at that price I had to buy them, just to see what they were like. The crappy mobile phone camera/flash has made them look like they have a poor finish, but in fact it's quite nice.
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And a pair of these. I'm not sure whether the little grooves are meant for measuring, or maybe just to grip a bit better as it cuts?
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Wow! That is amazing!
What is it you like about the 600 0ver the 603? Is it just the length? How about a side-by-side of one of the popular sizes so we can see the difference?
I think I have the same tiles in my kitchen. Unfortunately the same spanners are not in my kitchen.
Dewalt sandpaper
"Guttasyn" air/water hose
www.meister-gruppe.de
"3M Aura" dust masks
"Osborn" cup brush
www.osborn.com
cheapo leather work gloves
"Edding" and "Stabilo" pens for marking and making templates etc.
www.stabilo.de www.edding.de
steering wheel protection cover
Festool sandpaper made in czech republic
Osram spare bulb
www.osram.com
for this work shop light:
"Guttasyn" air/water hose
www.meister-gruppe.de
"3M Aura" dust masks
"Osborn" cup brush
www.osborn.com
cheapo leather work gloves
"Edding" and "Stabilo" pens for marking and making templates etc.
www.stabilo.de www.edding.de
steering wheel protection cover
Festool sandpaper made in czech republic
Osram spare bulb
www.osram.com
for this work shop light: