Tools from the old world
- Thread starter Monte
- Start date
JoeMk1
Member
Thats good to know. I think the Hazet box is really good value considering it is European made.
Ratchet.
Well-known member
@Ratchet
Once I had take these.
View media item 20067
But I change them with these.
View media item 29619
View media item 29620
View media item 29621
The one with the yellow handle is older. It hasn't the black coated and the handles shape is the same with the rahsols.
The other with the blue handle is the most expensive screwdriver of gedore. It's because the shaft is polished?The handle is identical with the new.
View media item 23904
My dealer has a full set of torx screwdriver with the blue handle and some sizes from slotted and philips with blue and yellow handle. If you want some let me know.
not seen the yellow ones before
would be interested in the torx set and others though (although no doubt my other half will question my need of more screwdrivers....)
not seen the yellow ones before
would be interested in the torx set and others though (although no doubt my other half will question my need of more screwdrivers....)
I understand
. No it's not in production any more.
What do you mean with "to get a hold of them"?marlinspike
Well-known member
Anybody have any experience with the Stahlwille and/or Hazet padded jaw pliers (like http://www.stahlwille-online.de/ind...hid=&scmd=pdetail&pcid=5944&cid=6152&pid=6155) ? They both describe them as being for Canon Connectors. I have no idea what those are, but what I'm looking for is something for turning aluminum tie rods without damaging them. I used to know a mechanic who had a pair of padded locking pliers for that purpose, but I can't seem to find any such thing.
Nice find on the Steinel.
Most are now made in Romania, and every once in a while, I'll see one from Switzerland.
N.I.
Well-known member
I received this 1/4" Facom round head ratchet last week. Seemedly as my luck would have it, the ****** thing wouldn't ratchet correctly, brand new out of bag . . It was far too stiff and was verging on painful to ratchet it by hand while griping the square drive
I am sick to the teeth of Facom quality control so instead of wasting time and money sending it back to the dealer, I had had a go myself and managed to fix it.
Incase anyone encounters this themselves; all it turned out to be was that the heart shaped spring was too fat. This caused the pawl to be pulled against the teeth with too much pressure and hence increasing the ratcheting torque.
All it needed was some minor heart surgery to bend the spring into a taller shape, as below-
And it was fixed.
The Facom 1/4" ratchet is rather bulky so be aware of this if buying one. Compared to an Expert and a Mac pear head.
The Expert, believe it or not, is still my favourite 1/4" ratchet. It is a bit longer than standard and also has the quick release feature.
I also recently picked up a few original Britool Whitworth spanners in excellent condition. I noticed that they are very very similer to the Hazet 600N - length wise, angle of the box end, and thickness of the shaft.
Pictured is a 1/2 Whitworth, which is about 23.4mm, compared to a Hazet 22mm and 24mm.
(excuse the crappy phone photo)
The Britool is actually more rounded and I find them more comfortable to hold than the Hazet. I must say I am now hooked on the old Britool and can see why people rave about them. It really is a shame they are not around today.
The broaching is perfect:
Can any old timer give any information on when these were produced? I imagine they were before my time.
.
. . It was far too stiff and was verging on painful to ratchet it by hand while griping the square drive
I am sick to the teeth of Facom quality control so instead of wasting time and money sending it back to the dealer, I had had a go myself and managed to fix it.
Incase anyone encounters this themselves; all it turned out to be was that the heart shaped spring was too fat. This caused the pawl to be pulled against the teeth with too much pressure and hence increasing the ratcheting torque.
All it needed was some minor heart surgery to bend the spring into a taller shape, as below-
And it was fixed.
The Facom 1/4" ratchet is rather bulky so be aware of this if buying one. Compared to an Expert and a Mac pear head.
The Expert, believe it or not, is still my favourite 1/4" ratchet. It is a bit longer than standard and also has the quick release feature.
I also recently picked up a few original Britool Whitworth spanners in excellent condition. I noticed that they are very very similer to the Hazet 600N - length wise, angle of the box end, and thickness of the shaft.
Pictured is a 1/2 Whitworth, which is about 23.4mm, compared to a Hazet 22mm and 24mm.
(excuse the crappy phone photo)
The Britool is actually more rounded and I find them more comfortable to hold than the Hazet. I must say I am now hooked on the old Britool and can see why people rave about them. It really is a shame they are not around today.
The broaching is perfect:
Can any old timer give any information on when these were produced? I imagine they were before my time.
.
Last edited:
N.I.
Well-known member
And speaking of ruined English brands, I also picked up an older Mercer dial indicator in as new condition.
They no longer manufacture in the UK and simply rebrand others
They no longer manufacture in the UK and simply rebrand others
Yeah, it's not something I would have as my only 1/4" for allround use. The palm control feature is nice for leaning on it while using bits though.
Mine came with a Nano set and if I were to buy a set today I would be looking for a set with a pear head ratchet in it.
That Britool looks like a no-nonsense piece of seriousness.
Hi Bullyboybg,
I´m not Monte, but will try to give an answer anyway...
Matador is "a mess"...
Some of their stuff are obviously good stuff, made in Germany, and the price is very good - according to Monte, the price in Bauhaus is 30% under the list price. And way under the price of Hazet, Stahlwille etc.View media item 29289Two matador "meat-bone" double ring wrenches, one made by Matador, the other made by ??? - still "Germany" though...
The sad side of it, is that they tend to buy more and more stuff from suppliers in Taiwan or India (I´ve found HR wrenches on the Matador stand with Matador labels).
View media item 25813Two Matador sockets, the left one (fruit skin finish) made in Germany, the right one (shiny "USA-type" finish) made in ???
So hurry, and look for the Matador tools with "Germany" forged into them...
Hi Bullyboybg,
I´m not Monte, but will try to give an answer anyway...
Matador is "a mess"...
Two matador "meat-bone" double ring wrenches, one made by Matador, the other made by ??? - still "Germany" though...
The sad side of it, is that they tend to buy more and more stuff from suppliers in Taiwan or India (I´ve found HR wrenches on the Matador stand with Matador labels).
View media item 25813Two Matador sockets, the left one (fruit skin finish) made in Germany, the right one (shiny "USA-type" finish) made in ???
So hurry, and look for the Matador tools with "Germany" forged into them...
It's sad what's happening.
I thought this kind of thing usually happened to hapless tool companies which have been bought out by large corporations who drive tool companies into the ground and shift production to China etc, in the interests of maximizing profits and coasting on an established brand name.
But Matador is a family owned company
I thought these types of companies were more resistant to such quality degradation.But...From Matador's website: "MATADOR was founded in 1900 and is now managed in the fourth generation by Peter Kissling."
...In Chinese there is a proverb saying: "Fu bu guo san dai" "Wealth does not last past 3 generations" The founder is able to teach and mentor the second generation, but the third generation tends to squander the wealth, and the fourth generation just runs whatever is left right into the ground.
mac_intosh
Well-known member
@ Alfajuj, the 600N series first appear in the 1994 catalog. Probably all the N-Series started in that year.
Thanks Mac Intosh!!!
Do you know when the 600 series went from the sizes being stamped directly on the shank to the sizes being forged in (in their own little box)?
Please keep the catalogs coming
Last edited:
Elora 870/1 straight from the german Bundeswehr via ebay.de. I really liked the design and once I put my hand on it I knew that this one I would use. Very nice grip. 3/8" drive and 24 teeth.
It has an oil hole that was filled with gunk and the ratcheting felt as harsh as the gunk suggested. The cover plate was a real tight fit so I didn't open it but sprayed it with Bräkeleen and worked it until all the goo was out and lubed it with oil. Feels good now.
Shown with an F936 for comparison. Anyone have any insight as of when these where produced?
It has an oil hole that was filled with gunk and the ratcheting felt as harsh as the gunk suggested. The cover plate was a real tight fit so I didn't open it but sprayed it with Bräkeleen and worked it until all the goo was out and lubed it with oil. Feels good now.
Shown with an F936 for comparison. Anyone have any insight as of when these where produced?
Attachments
A couple of recent acquisitions:
View media item 29649
View media item 29650
And restoration of the old Wolf bench grinder begins. I started with this:
View media item 28585
Not really in too bad a shape, but one of the bearings (both original) was bad. The zerk fittings both worked ok, but for some reason the grease wasn't getting through the wadding to the bearing so it had run dry for ages presumably. The other bearing was ok, but both are being replaced with new sealed bearings (I need to get those press fit onto the rotor hopefully tomorrow).
Anyhow it came apart, was dipped to remove the paint, and I finally got a bit of a break in the weather to spray some primer:
View media item 29645
View media item 29648
If the weather cooperates tomorrow I'll get some shiny red paint on it.
View media item 29649
View media item 29650
And restoration of the old Wolf bench grinder begins. I started with this:
View media item 28585
Not really in too bad a shape, but one of the bearings (both original) was bad. The zerk fittings both worked ok, but for some reason the grease wasn't getting through the wadding to the bearing so it had run dry for ages presumably. The other bearing was ok, but both are being replaced with new sealed bearings (I need to get those press fit onto the rotor hopefully tomorrow).
Anyhow it came apart, was dipped to remove the paint, and I finally got a bit of a break in the weather to spray some primer:
View media item 29645
View media item 29648
If the weather cooperates tomorrow I'll get some shiny red paint on it.
Last edited:
N.I.
Well-known member
It'll look good once finished!
Can I ask what you dipped it in to remove the paint?
FYI, if you do not have a press, motor bearings are generally only a light press fit. So if you can find a length of tubing the same size as the inner race, you should be able to just tap them on with a few firm blows
Cheers. I sent it to a powder coaters to remove the old paint, so I'm not sure exactly what they dipped it in. They specialise in alloy wheel refinishing, so I figured it'd be safe. It did a pretty good job of removing the paint, but I got the bits back with loads of grimy sludge from their tank, so I still had to do a fair bit of scrubbing to get it ready to paint.
I did try and drift the bearings on using the pipe trick, but no joy -they didn't even go on far enough to get stuck. I had to buy the puller I posted pics of earlier though to get the old ones off as well though, so I wasn't too surprised -they were stubborn coming off.
Thanks. I've been waiting ages for the weather to cooperate so I could paint. I was hopeing to have it all finished before tomorrow, but oh well...
Canon connectors are the male/female connectors used in audio and video applications. The most common type are XLR audio cable connectors which are 3 pin. Other ones could have 5, 7 or more pins.
Attachments
Laro13
Well-known member
I would put the rotor in the freezer for one night, if it's possible. And gently heat the bearing, but not to hot or you will ruin the seal. Sometimes that is enough to fit.
Good luck!
Yeah I've used that before, considered it here, and definitely would give it a go if it wasn't a sealed bearing. I think in this case though I wouldn't enough heat in the bearing to maintain the advantage over the length of the shaft -I think the bearing would cool too quickly and I'd just get stuck partway.
Quick trip to the machine shop and I should be sorted. I wish I had space for a press of my own though.
Nice ratchets!
I've got one of those, too. I was attracted by its looks. I prefer the metal handle. But when I first got it, I was horrified by the ratchet action.
Then I took it all apart and cleaned it and it was okay.Should be strong with only 24 teeth.
I asked Elora about a rebuild kit and they said that the ratchet internals from the contemporary ratchets will fit, since the head design isn't changed. Those Elora rebuild kits are astonishingly pricey, though.
As for a date, I have no idea. My best guess would be 1980's or earlier
Looks like we bought it for the same reason and had the same hands on experience with it.
A quick search showed repair kits for between €21 and €30. Add the shipping cost...
With regards to the age span of those ratchets I sent an email to Elora and will report back if I hear anything.
A quick search showed repair kits for between €21 and €30. Add the shipping cost...
With regards to the age span of those ratchets I sent an email to Elora and will report back if I hear anything.
Admittedly, the Elora has, in spirit, a similar look to the Snap-On.
But, I've got a modern Snap-On F80 and comparing it to the Elora is like comparing an F-16 to a World War 1 submarine!!!
But really, old school is lots more fun. Mine could probably do with a rebuild kit, but the cost of the kit is just a hair away from buying a whole new ratchet. WTF.
Even Snap-On, who are famous for being expensive, don't charge nearly so much for a rebuild kit.
I've got the Elora JC set, which includes Whitworth sockets, but I'm missing some. I've been having a terrible time locating them. I ordered some from a company in the UK called Baconsdozen, but they got lost in the mail
He was really good about it and refunded me, but that was the last source I could find for the old 3/8 drive Whitworth Elora sockets. It bugs the hell out of me having those holes in the set!
Granted, I presently don't own any vehicle which actually uses whitworth fasteners, but it's a great weirdness coup to have them! Just in case I buy an old Triumph or Norton or something
Last edited:
The Wolf gets a couple of coats of shiny red paint. It's actually slightly darker red than the photos show, and has turned out really nice. Hopefully in the next couple of days I'll have pics of it mostly back together.
View media item 29657
View media item 29658
View media item 29657
View media item 29658
Bummer about the lost sockets.
*snip*
I've got the Elora JC set, which includes Whitworth sockets, but I'm missing some. I've been having a terrible time locating them. I ordered some from a company in the UK called Baconsdozen, but they got lost in the mail
He was really good about it and refunded me, but that was the last source I could find for the old 3/8 drive Whitworth Elora sockets. It bugs the hell out of me having those holes in the set!
Granted, I presently don't own any vehicle which actually uses whitworth fasteners, but it's a great weirdness coup to have them! Just in case I buy an old Triumph or Norton or something
I have some DOE in whitworth but want me some sockets as well. Just in case. Edit: Baconsdozen was a cool place to hang out.
Hard to get a feel for the color in the bright sunlight but I think that it will look mighty good on the workbench and being the source of much envy once assembled.
Last edited:
Hard to get a feel for the color in the bright sunlight but I think that it will look mighty good on the workbench and being the source of much envy once assembled.
Yeah the camera has made it look a bit bright/orange, but it's close to what I'd call fire engine red. It's being doen as a gift for a family member though so it won't be me being envied
I have a pair of Selecta grinders though (6" and 7"), on stands, that I'll be restoring for myself when time permits.
mac_intosh
Well-known member
The HAZET 60's catalogs (61, 62, 65, 67, 69) are online and free to download:
Here http://www.facebook.com/hazetwerk to find in the timeline...
...and also here http://www.hazet.de/unternehmen/historische-dokumente/ .
Here http://www.facebook.com/hazetwerk to find in the timeline...
...and also here http://www.hazet.de/unternehmen/historische-dokumente/ .
Last edited:
And for Airplanes:
Attachments
LeGarage
Well-known member
I was tired of stuck axle nuts so I bought a 3/4" drive ratchet
