Tools from the old world
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upgrading
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Thanks for the link.
garthg
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Thanks for the welcome Nort, Roverbo and Mt.
Roverbo at all think we're in a forum nerd, we're just a group of people passionate about tools, although, I'm not always the employment specialist for repairs that never fail at home and try as far it possible to increase my "arsenal"
My father had a wood shop for many years and have been able to rescue some tools that I hope will be interesting ...
Irega wrenches and Zubi-Ondo
I have a Channellock adjustable wrench 12", "Made in Spain" which appears almost identical to that Irega. It wouldn't surprise me if that company is Channellock's source.
Starrag
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Let it be Matador page.
A sneak peak...
I bought this (Elliott Selecta grinder on an original stand):
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After disassembling, cleaning, stripping it down to bare metal, priming, painting (reseda green) and installing new sealed bearings:
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I bought this (Elliott Selecta grinder on an original stand):
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After disassembling, cleaning, stripping it down to bare metal, priming, painting (reseda green) and installing new sealed bearings:
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sweet !!! Looks like new !!
Thanks you sir; that's high praise considering the source
Unfortunately this grinder is lacking the original ID plate and switch, but I have two more Elliotts (a 6" and a 7") and another one of these stands to refurb. The grinder above (but not the stand) will be sold off -hopefully offsetting part of the overall costs so far.
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Might want to keep an eye out for nicks on the 90 degree edge where flat transitions to rounded exterior of jaw (just used to bend electronic component leads, which are either soft tin plated steel or soft copper <0.8mm or 20AWG wire or less>).
I mention this, as I've seen and heard of Knipex's small electronics pliers doing this, suggesting softer metal (curious if it's a consistent issue or random).
TIA.
Another busy day. Wolf bench grinder stand.
Started with this:
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Stripped to bare metal, primed and painted (and spent hours picking the paint out of the brass plaque):
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Started with this:
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Stripped to bare metal, primed and painted (and spent hours picking the paint out of the brass plaque):
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Nice pics in the last few pages guys. 
Nice gun blockw@rt.
Magnetic lifters..
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Nice gun blockw@rt.
Magnetic lifters..
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As we speak about Matador...
...are we sure is made in Germany...?
...because the box seems to be ...off the center.
Always a special trick from Matador
- if they were perfect, they wouldn´t be interesting........OK...........we go on............
Nice Matador collection...
You´re right. Love that name "Zubi-Ondo" - like an african train line..Thanks for the welcome Nort, Roverbo and Mt.
Roverbo at all think we're in a forum nerd, we're just a group of people passionate about tools, although, I'm not always the employment specialist for repairs that never fail at home and try as far it possible to increase my "arsenal"
My father had a wood shop for many years and have been able to rescue some tools that I hope will be interesting ...
Irega wrenches and Zubi-Ondo
That´s a new thing to keep looking for - Matador Whitworth...
And talkin´´bout looking for tools:
Old world tools from todays local fleemarket. "Dear, i´ll take a short look at the fleemarket". "OK, but pleeease...don´t buy any more old, rusty tools. Or you will need a larger garage".
Todays find - as i bought them. Only 150,- DKK in total (20 Euros). Needs some oiling and fixing:
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E.A. Berg (early Bahco) sidecutters, early Bahco 4" adj. wrench
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Wera stumpy screwdriver, Weralit translucent, Wihalit translucent (that was new to me), Stanley England and Bahco screwdrivers, Wrenches from Sandvik-Belzer, Dowidat, Gedore, Matador and Elora.
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Eclipse hacksaw - i have so many hacksaws...but when i find a decent tool from England....
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Old welders hammer - no name/coo - worn, but nice.
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Old sockets, Hazet, Gedore, Dowidat, Rahsol and Facom.
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The sockets was in an old toolbox, very rusty, together with a lot of rusty nails, screws etc. I asked the seller what the price would be for the two Hazet sockets, and he replied "40 kroner" (6 Euro). "But you can have the complete box for 50 kroner" (7 Euro). And look what was in the box:
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A Stahlwille ½" ratchet - needs oil, but works. And a Dowidat "push-through" ½" ratchet. Looks old - anyone knows these ratchets???
Bought these Bahco P51 hedge shears for myself and my girlfriend to sort our garden - absolutely blown away by them. They're a the most solid shears I've ever used, the blades came razor sharp and the serrated part of the blade can really cut through some thick stuff. Made in France, which came as a surprise for me. Handles feel great and it has a rubber buffer between the handles to create some springing force when closing the shears. I was so eager to use them I forgot to snap a photo, but here is them after a hard day's work!
Next is a tool of my father's, an uncapping knife used for bee keeping. He's had this coming on 40 years and there is no makers mark, so I assume it's made in the UK. I don't think it has much value but the sentimental value to him is massive so I've restored the original handle using Tru-Oil and cleaned the blade using the treacle method. Still got it's patina, and I'm sure he'll like it!
Here is a small G clamp I picked up at the local boot fair, made in Poland
I also got this, a small chisel. After a bit of cleaning it revealed the markings "T ZACK & SON Sheffield" and on the other side "1934" and A M with a crown logo between the two letters. Interesting!
I also managed to pick up the entire tool collection of a retired plumber. There is so much stuff I need to get round to going through, I will post up pictures when I do. Plenty of British and German stuff in there, all very old!
Next is a tool of my father's, an uncapping knife used for bee keeping. He's had this coming on 40 years and there is no makers mark, so I assume it's made in the UK. I don't think it has much value but the sentimental value to him is massive so I've restored the original handle using Tru-Oil and cleaned the blade using the treacle method. Still got it's patina, and I'm sure he'll like it!
Here is a small G clamp I picked up at the local boot fair, made in Poland
I also got this, a small chisel. After a bit of cleaning it revealed the markings "T ZACK & SON Sheffield" and on the other side "1934" and A M with a crown logo between the two letters. Interesting!
I also managed to pick up the entire tool collection of a retired plumber. There is so much stuff I need to get round to going through, I will post up pictures when I do. Plenty of British and German stuff in there, all very old!
That's a nice hammer. I'm not convinced it's a welder's hammer though. How about posting the photo on the "Hammer Time" thread to see what the experts say? Link below:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=143435&highlight=hammer&page=14
nowlan
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What is the difference between hazet carts and vigor ? They look awfully similar.
Werkstattwagen VIGOR V1483 vs HAZET 177-6
Werkstattwagen VIGOR V1483 vs HAZET 177-6
Thanks you sir; that's high praise considering the source
Unfortunately this grinder is lacking the original ID plate and switch, but I have two more Elliotts (a 6" and a 7") and another one of these stands to refurb. The grinder above (but not the stand) will be sold off -hopefully offsetting part of the overall costs so far.
CanUK - Bench grinder wholesale Inc.
Might want to keep an eye out for nicks on the 90 degree edge where flat transitions to rounded exterior of jaw (just used to bend electronic component leads, which are either soft tin plated steel or soft copper <0.8mm or 20AWG wire or less>).
I mention this, as I've seen and heard of Knipex's small electronics pliers doing this, suggesting softer metal (curious if it's a consistent issue or random).
TIA.
thanks, will look out for problems ! Havn´t used it so far though
another sweet looking one !
awesome tools for a awesome price !!!
It´s the same
Hi Russik,
that´s the russian version of the Ridgid style plumbers wrench...? Looks rock solid - and heeeaaavy....
I could need a new hedge shears, so i will look for this. Not many Bahco tools in the garden departments here in Denmark, i think Gardena, Wolf and Fiskars are the most popular brands here. I like Gardena (easy to find in the garden, because of the hefty colors), but some of their tools use to much plastic for my taste. Although most Gardena is made in Germany, some has a COO I dont fancy....
Nice old uncapping knife with strong patina. Is that for uncapping the wax cells? And let´s see those plumbers tools...
Good idea. I was in doubt, because the pein end looks quite soft (it´s bend) so maybe not suited for checking welds.
Let´s see what the hammer experts says.youshouldatappd
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Early birthday present to myself. Stahlwille 1/2 inch socket set 
neophyte
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It looks very similar to a shoemakers hammer, or an upholsterers hammer.
Shoemakers.
http://www.hammersource.com/Specialty_Trades/300_gm_Shoemakers_Hammer_German_Pattern_wood_handle/
Upholsterers.
http://www.hammersource.com/Special...ngth_11_overall_length_11/16_round_flat_face/
Both hammer types are made for driving small tacks. The lack of a split claw sort of leans toward a shoemakers hammer.
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That is one serious present youshouldatappd. Enjoy.
Thanks, I've gradually been building up a collection of hazet, stahlwille, knipex and wiha. Found that socket set for $600ish on eBay brand new and later saw it for $800 second hand on gumtree, so I jumped on it. I got my electrical contractors license and the socket set in the mail today so I'm a very happy boy.
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mac_intosh
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What is the difference between hazet carts and vigor ? They look awfully similar.
Werkstattwagen VIGOR V1483 vs HAZET 177-6
The price is also the same
Early birthday present to myself. Stahlwille 1/2 inch socket set
Congratulation x2 !
What is the difference between hazet carts and vigor ? They look awfully similar.
Werkstattwagen VIGOR V1483 vs HAZET 177-6
There was a identical one available from "Windgassen + Hindrichs" too
Hi Russik,
that´s the russian version of the Ridgid style plumbers wrench...? Looks rock solid - and heeeaaavy....
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Hello. Yes, this is a copy of some branded products. I bought yesterday for the collection.
cosmik binturong
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noooooooooo! how come that beautiful Hazet Blue is not waaaaaaaay more expensive than the lowly Vigor red, eh? 
adorators of The Blue might feel betrayed now: double the price ASAP!
seriously, nice of Hazet to offer us, mere mortals, some of that Divine Blue while not ripping-out all our euros from our bank accounts, for once...
back to Osaka where my last parcel originated:
a Top RH-4N half-inch 24 toothed ratchet(same as the one that disappeared in transit from Texas) along with a Ko-ken 13mm square oil drain plug socket:
an already seen here stubby screwie from Vessel but not from Japan("assembled" only
):
a pair of Fujiya MP-7-150 & MP8-150 precision pliers:
straight & bent ones:
another item that was MIT(missing in transit), the big Merry ZA-185 screw pliers:
shaped to grab rotten screws at an angle:
Ko-ken Z-EAL 3/8" 16mm spark plug socket(fitted without play on a Top SR3 flexi-ratchet):
finish inside is, as usual for Ko-ken, very good:
and, lastly for now, another Japan-made tool that's sold by Stanley but without the dredged name on it:
more later!
adorators of The Blue might feel betrayed now: double the price ASAP!
seriously, nice of Hazet to offer us, mere mortals, some of that Divine Blue while not ripping-out all our euros from our bank accounts, for once...
back to Osaka where my last parcel originated:
a Top RH-4N half-inch 24 toothed ratchet(same as the one that disappeared in transit from Texas) along with a Ko-ken 13mm square oil drain plug socket:
an already seen here stubby screwie from Vessel but not from Japan("assembled" only
):
a pair of Fujiya MP-7-150 & MP8-150 precision pliers:
straight & bent ones:
another item that was MIT(missing in transit), the big Merry ZA-185 screw pliers:
shaped to grab rotten screws at an angle:
Ko-ken Z-EAL 3/8" 16mm spark plug socket(fitted without play on a Top SR3 flexi-ratchet):
finish inside is, as usual for Ko-ken, very good:
and, lastly for now, another Japan-made tool that's sold by Stanley but without the dredged name on it:
more later!
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cosmik binturong: Nice tools, especially I like the ratchet!
I have found a store that has NOS Sandvik-Belzer spanners and sockets (metric and inch sizes). Also some Dowidat stuff too.
I want to ask how Sandvik-Belzer is compared to Gedore, Hazet, Facom and it's own descendant Bahco stuff. Which brand is the best?
And the other question is if I have to prefer Sandvik-Belzer or Dowidat or ignore them and to buy Gedore, Hazet, Facom etc. and why?
I have found a store that has NOS Sandvik-Belzer spanners and sockets (metric and inch sizes). Also some Dowidat stuff too.
I want to ask how Sandvik-Belzer is compared to Gedore, Hazet, Facom and it's own descendant Bahco stuff. Which brand is the best?
And the other question is if I have to prefer Sandvik-Belzer or Dowidat or ignore them and to buy Gedore, Hazet, Facom etc. and why?
beautiful japanese goodiesback to Osaka where my last parcel originated:
more later!
if the Sandvik tools say Germany or Sweden they´re good
finally some good pics here !!! All these tools pics are quite boring on the long runTool boxes from Hazet or Vigor ???...................hmmmm..........
found this pic on theSamba....
mr_jack
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Tool boxes from Hazet or Vigor ???...................hmmmm..........
Where the hell are those tool boxes?
upgrading
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Looks good.another item that was MIT(missing in transit), the big Merry ZA-185 screw pliers:
shaped to grab rotten screws at an angle:
Is this bigger and more "muscular" than the Engineer screw pliers ?
I need to get one of these type .
Toolboxes? Whom in their right mind would be paying attention to the toolboxes vs. the eye candy in those pics?Tool boxes from Hazet or Vigor ???...................hmmmm..........
cosmik binturong
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yes, way beefier than the Engineer PZ-57: 7 inches Vs.4 or 5 inches and able to get way bigger screws(pun or no pun intended
)!still haven't found bigger than the Merry one yet.
i haven't been impressed by the PZ-57 though, the 3 peaks offering looks more promising and will be what i'll order next: DS-115TZ and DS-150Z for smaller screws. there's also a DS-175TZ that is 10mm shorter than the Merry and doesn't look to be sturdier(but has more modernish handles and finish):
(click the image to see it along with price in one of Rakuten' shops)
you can get the Merry pliers from Levelchrome in the US with free shipping(over USD99.00).
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superautobacs
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an already seen here stubby screwie from Vessel but not from Japan("assembled" only
yeah, I've seen several things from Vessel that are made in Thailand (like their hammers for example).
Wow, that's a nice find. Where did you find that?
I think Keiba is the OEM?
I've always been a fan of the 3 Peaks screw pliers and locking pliers over the Engineer. Better jaw geometry and finish. Despite being such a small company, the craftsmen at 3 Peaks can produce a level of precision and finish that even Knipex can't match--and that's according to Knipex themselves.
They are referring to this series for plastics:
cosmik binturong
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this one is not marked Thailand at all but three times "Japan"
sold here, in France, for something like 40-45€: *click!*
looks like it doesn't sell that much at this price since i got two for 20.00€ from a friend that does bankruptcy sales...
don't know for sure, it's available from Keiba, KTC and a lot of others in various colors and sizes:
they're definitely going to be in our new toolboxes, unlike Engineer's pliers!
another couple of items that were in the received box of nippon goodies:
Ko-ken 4mm nutdriver to be used with Wiha 4mm bits(after adding a small magnet inside):
Hozan P-220 chain link pliers:
finish is more utilitarian than some but i do like it's roughy-looky kind of look!
more to come later...