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which of the small grinders do you like the best ?

The Hitachi has no gimmicks totally basic, but it’s relatively small and light, very good handling.

The BOSCH is a solid and robust angle grinder, good handling without any weakening.

The AEG is solid too, with sufficient power and actually my most used and personally favorite. The only minus point is its weight compared to the others

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Just thoughts about so many cool subjects .The free socket give away,what a great chance to replace missing sockets. Also seems to be a lot of talk about different brands of foreign made tools. I seem to have ended up with a lot of metric tools made by Wurth Guth,and many more. They all seem to be of very good quality.
 

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Bad quality Gedore wrench :sad:
The wrench is No 7-XL 12mm
I have used it less than 10 times on regular car bolts and the open end started to worn

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A tool that marks slightly is not always bad quality. Too hard the temper of the steel and they crack like glass so it goes both ways.

Most of my work tools showed use, none have proven to be totally useless ****. Only my Wurth (stahwille ?) wrenches seem to not mark with use.
I have antique carbon steel wrenches that simply wore out somewhere along the line in 80 years, the oldtimers would file them to the next larger size to even out the opening. Its all in how you look at the issue.
 

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Bad quality Gedore wrench :sad:
The wrench is No 7-XL 12mm
I have used it less than 10 times on regular car bolts and the open end started to worn

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What cause those spots? Did you use it with chemicals?
Poor quality wrenches are those who lose their tolerances or lose their finish or coating.
 

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After less than 10x of use…looks normal....Hmmm??

Tools are not made for the glass cabinet. ;)

Hazet 600N after a few years of use.

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Hey guys, I'll be buying an angle grinder in the next couple of weeks and have narrowed it down to Flex, Metabo and Fein. Out of these 3 brands which one would you recomend from experience? Are they still german made? Also the speed without load varies a lot in different models. From 6k to 11k RPM. And sometimes the cheaper model would have higher no load speed? Anyway, any info would be appreciated. I'm looking for 5-6" grinder by the way.
 

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What cause those spots? Did you use it with chemicals?
Poor quality wrenches are those who lose their tolerances or lose their finish or coating.
No, it is just the dust from brake pads.
Because I have other brands wrenches in the same size none of them has worn on the open end side and after using them more than Gedore one.
I think it is poor quality wrench this Gedore No 7-XL 12mm
 

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No, it is just the dust from brake pads.
Because I have other brands wrenches in the same size none of them has worn on the open end side and after using them more than Gedore one.
I think it is poor quality wrench this Gedore No 7-XL 12mm

Your other wrenches are XL? Maybe you put too much torque on an long wrench...
In my signature thread i notice that long wrenches (like Hazet 600N) are softer than the short ones!
 

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Your other wrenches are XL?
My other wrenches are different brands from Gedore.
Maybe you put too much torque on an long wrench...
I didn't put much torque.
I notice this defect when I was cleaning the tool.
But hypothetical I put much torque the fist thing that must worn is bolt (regular car bolt 10.9 grade) not the wrench!
 

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My other wrenches are different brands from Gedore.
I meant XL: extra large. Some brands offers XL wrenches.
I didn't put much torque.
I notice this defect when I was cleaning the tool.
But hypothetical I put much torque the fist thing that must worn is bolt (regular car bolt 10.9 grade) not the wrench!
Not necessarily. I bet Blöckw@rt 's wrenches used on the same bolts. Look how they are. There are many parameters that affect a tool. Maybe your wrench in a few years will be like Blöckw@rt 's wrenches. Or not.
The best solution is to measure the hardness of it. I'm planning to buy one Gedore XL No7 13 to compare his hardness with the short one. :beer:
 

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I have 2 extra large wrenches both from Gedore.
The second one I didn't tried yet at the open end.
 
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Monte thanks a lot! Do you ever used a tool like that? Do you prefer the locking model or something like the Gedore one? A friend of mine want to make a fireplace air heater. The metal box for the air flow motor will be made with sheet 0,8 mm thickness. Are these pliers worth the money?
Sorry i never did. A garage buddy has one of the non locking models but i couldn´t find it in the garage today. He uses it for car body repair work.
here are some videos: http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...j6j1.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.vDYGPRuJ35A

this would be the best tool :)
another one :drool:

edit: Stubai offers them too: http://www.stubai.com/seiten_englisch/frame-main-speng-02-eng.htm

I like those AMF clamps Monty. No doubt from the flea market they were somewhat cheaper than my Bessey's.

Some AMF hex keys - the long ones are nicely plated (nickel it seems)
cheaper yes (€5.-) but not better :) the Besseys are more precise because they have machined surfaces and have a fixed angle. On my wish list since i have a welder but difficult to find for a good price :sad:
in case you ever want to sell them.... :D ;)

The Hitachi has no gimmicks totally basic, but it’s relatively small and light, very good handling.

The BOSCH is a solid and robust angle grinder, good handling without any weakening.

The AEG is solid too, with sufficient power and actually my most used and personally favorite. The only minus point is its weight compared to the others
btw. which model #´s ? i´m loooking for another grinder :D

Bad quality Gedore wrench :sad:
The wrench is No 7-XL 12mm
I have used it less than 10 times on regular car bolts and the open end started to worn
not dramatic...i can show you wrenches like that from about every manufacturer.

Hey guys, I'll be buying an angle grinder in the next couple of weeks and have narrowed it down to Flex, Metabo and Fein. Out of these 3 brands which one would you recomend from experience? Are they still german made? Also the speed without load varies a lot in different models. From 6k to 11k RPM. And sometimes the cheaper model would have higher no load speed? Anyway, any info would be appreciated. I'm looking for 5-6" grinder by the way.

usually the angle grinder speed is 10.000 rpm or 11.000 rpm. The higher end grinders usually have "constant electronics"/"Full wave electronics" which means the speed stays constant under load so they are more powerful and the others. ALL Fein angle grinders are made in Germany. The Metabo angle grinders in this design are made in Germany too. The others are from China. Flex has a couple of german made models like these and the rat tail grinders as well as this model. The others are from China. All 3 brands make good grinders. Metabo has a wider selection though with features like "Autobalancer". It depends what you want to do with it/in which trade you are in to select the right power and maybe special features. I would recommend to check them out in a store if possible to check the ergonomics and to see which switch type you prefer etc. For a light weight/light duty grinder i would check out the imported ones because they´re slim, for a high performance grinder i would check out the Flex L 1710 FRA because it has one of the highest output power in it´s class (Flex 1400 Watt input/880 Watt output, Bosch 1500 Watt input/820 Watt output, Metabo 1450 Watt input/830 Watt output)

btw.: Metabo angle grinder product search:
http://www.metabo-service.com/angleGrinder.php/en/GB/
 

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Bad quality Gedore wrench :sad:
The wrench is No 7-XL 12mm
I have used it less than 10 times on regular car bolts and the open end started to worn


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Did you link wrenches?
My 10mm Hazet 600N has a nick in the open end from me linking its open end with the box end of another Hazet wrench for extra leverage. The only thing a quality tool's steel is afraid of is another quality tool! ;)
 

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Thanks for the useful information Monte! I think I'm going to get the Flex L 3410 VR. It's made in Germany and The price is not bad at all - $209
 

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Just got myself this awesome socket set, wanted a 1/2 drive set but did not have the cash to go out and buy a quality new one. Picked up this awesome old Britool set. It is a mixed set one half Whitworth and the other half SAE


 

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Just got myself this awesome socket set, wanted a 1/2 drive set but did not have the cash to go out and buy a quality new one. Picked up this awesome old Britool set. It is a mixed set one half Whitworth and the other half SAE



That's a really classy set! :thumbup:
I love how the breaker bar and extensions can work with the tommy bar. Very cool.
Old Britool stuff was awesome stuff!
What is that item to the right of the universal joint in the top photo? I can't fathom from the picture.

I got this neat little set of Britool Whitworth combination wrenches. In the original tool roll! I love when sets are complete like that. :rocker:

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Can anyone tell the approximate year of this set?
 
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Did you link wrenches?
My 10mm Hazet 600N has a nick in the open end from me linking its open end with the box end of another Hazet wrench for extra leverage. The only thing a quality tool's steel is afraid of is another quality tool! ;)
No, just regular use
 

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Well,this is not really a tool but parts of them anyway.
I just bought some electrical plugs from Wurth and I'm very pleased by them.
Very rugged but a bit huge. The female plugs got a small led to indicate when the cord is powered.
The black ones on top are brennenstuhl, made in Germany. They are regular good quality stuff found in some hardware store.
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dont you think the fein stuff looks a bit bulky? that would be my only negative point about their products
made a comparison pic: 10,8 Volt tool vs. 18V Fein :)



Thanks for the useful information Monte! I think I'm going to get the Flex L 3410 VR. It's made in Germany and The price is not bad at all - $209
btw. Flex angle grinder....: :)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Porter-Cabl...389?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item56591670f5

btw. if someone need a cheap used Metabo:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ridgid-R100...744?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2330741ab8

Hitachi G 13 SR 3
Bosch GWS 1100
AEG WS 12-125 XE

You want more angle grinders ? :scared:
thanks !
yes :D
Flex 1710 is on the wishlist and a Fein WSS 12-125, the older one with rectangular motor housing :)

Well,this is not really a tool but parts of them anyway.
I just bought some electrical plugs from Wurth and I'm very pleased by them.
Very rugged but a bit huge. The female plugs got a small led to indicate when the cord is powered.
The black ones on top are brennenstuhl, made in Germany. They are regular good quality stuff found in some hardware store.
you like fancy plugs ? ;)

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I have a question:
Are Wurth sockets from Koken?
I am asking this because as it shown on promotion catalog of Wurth the sockets look like as Koken ones.
Also if you notice the last socket have written (10 K) letters and numbers with Koken style and the feature of nut grip
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Thanks Monte ;-) I know who is the manufacturer of this plugs now :thumbup:

The Wurth sale reps said me that Wurth is part of Bosch now. In the last folder I got, they're even was some Wolfcraft stuff :eyecrazy: Not the kind of tools I'm expecting from a company like them...
 

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That's a really classy set! :thumbup:
I love how the breaker bar and extensions can work with the tommy bar. Very cool.
Old Britool stuff was awesome stuff!
What is that item to the right of the universal joint in the top photo? I can't fathom from the picture.

According to the little card in the tool box it is a valve grinding tool. It must adapt to some old valve grinding cutter for doing valves or something
 
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More metabo. I wish the "old world" would quit hogging all the good stuff. Cant get their brushless stuff and im nog sure if I can get their 5.2ah batteries either. Seems to be a trend with all the good stuff. No brushless bosch impactor with the cool 1/2" square and hex 1/4 inside.

Cant get alot of Metabos other cordless stuff and corded stuff either. Their catalog on the uk site is probably 2-3 times bigger.

Apparently even the stuff they do bring to the us is limited. There were two LTX quick drills left at Metabo USAs warehouse and they had no date on when they were getting more in.

Oh well so far I like the feel of them. Got a lot of stuff to use them on today. Going to probably order another drill and impactor next week just wanna see if our guys like the quick chuck or not. Ifs handy to be able to attach different things but I think some guys might bump it alot and not like it.

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Ive also noticed a trend with Germans. They seem to like the color green.

Fendt products are greens, Claas products are green, Krone products are green, their telehandlers are green, metabo is green, festool is green, etc. Just an observation our farm is turning very green and it sure as **** aint john deere green.





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The Wurth sale reps said me that Wurth is part of Bosch now. In the last folder I got, they're even was some Wolfcraft stuff :eyecrazy: Not the kind of tools I'm expecting from a company like them...
Würth part of Bosch ? hmm i don´t know... The computer says no :)
Würth sells tools from Bosch though... Wolfcraft at Würth ? Maybe they open their stores to DIY users now too ?? :)

More metabo. I wish the "old world" would quit hogging all the good stuff. Cant get their brushless stuff and im nog sure if I can get their 5.2ah batteries either. Seems to be a trend with all the good stuff. No brushless bosch impactor with the cool 1/2" square and hex 1/4 inside.
nice Metabo stuff !
Metabo is busy delivering their tools to europe i guess....it´s only a matter of time until the new products will be available in the US.

Ive also noticed a trend with Germans. They seem to like the color green.
Fendt products are greens, Claas products are green, Krone products are green, their telehandlers are green, metabo is green, festool is green, etc. Just an observation our farm is turning very green and it sure as **** aint john deere green
don´t forget Stahlwille :)

Hey Monte,
Does anybody in Germany make a specialised internal pipe wrench?
My spiral flute screw extractor is absolutely hopeless. Help me buy German ;)
Thanks.
never saw a tool like this until today !?!? :)
looked around what the usual suspects (Ridgid, Rothenberger, Rems, Roller, Sturem) have to offer but couldn´t find anything similar ? Maybe the plumbers here can chime in !?!?













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Snap makes a nice internal pipe extractor set. Its a 4 flute design and they actually warranty them.

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I have a question:
Are Wurth sockets from Koken?

That 1/2" drive socket is definitely Ko-ken's Nut-grip type socket. You can see the "K" on that Wurth socket. The 1/4" socket is not Ko-ken as it's too polished, but the 3/8" drive socket might be because of the two tone finish and the font style looks similar to a Ko-ken.
 

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Exactly the same thing I am thinking about wurth sockets
Now the confirmation is left.
Maybe someday I will visit the wurth shop for confirmation:)
 

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Wurth sources their hand tools from different places, and their source can change any time, based on contract. So, what you find at your dealer may be different from what's shown on their latest flyer. Hopefully you can find the Nut-grip sockets though...I think they are a must-have for any tool box.
 

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Sorry i never did. A garage buddy has one of the non locking models but i couldn´t find it in the garage today. He uses it for car body repair work.
here are some videos: http://www.youtube.com/results?sear...j6j1.8.0...0.0...1ac.1.11.youtube.vDYGPRuJ35A

this would be the best tool :)
another one :drool:

edit: Stubai offers them too: http://www.stubai.com/seiten_englisch/frame-main-speng-02-eng.htm
Thanks Monte, many choices.... now the broblem is to choose... :D
Just got myself this awesome socket set, wanted a 1/2 drive set but did not have the cash to go out and buy a quality new one. Picked up this awesome old Britool set. It is a mixed set one half Whitworth and the other half SAE
Very nice set, i think i'll start to look to ebay.co.uk for finding a set like that! Awesome!

These two little fellows bought today from local dealer, from the same box.
The upper cranked screwdriver is Gedore, miG. The lower just Gedore, no COO.

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As you can see the non COO cranked screwdriver have awful finish. :(

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I paid 5.50 € for each of them.

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These two little fellows bought today from local dealer, from the same box.
The upper cranked screwdriver is Gedore, miG. The lower just Gedore, no COO.

I have two sets of offset screwdrivers -both Wiha and Format and both are identical and made in Germany. I've only got a pic of the Format slot version unfortunately but the philips are just as nice:

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I haven't looked in a while, but there were sets of these (Wiha) popping up on ebay for cheap - I think I paid £10 shipped for a new set of 5 or 6, slot and philips. I'd like some pozi, but the individual prices are pretty steep.
 

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I got this neat little set of Britool Whitworth combination wrenches. In the original tool roll! I love when sets are complete like that.

Can anyone tell the approximate year of this set?

These were great wrenches, the best era for Britool Combination Wrenches in my opinion!

I can't recall when this pattern was introduced, but they were certainly available in the late 1960's! I have a 1974 catalogue which lists this pattern, but I know they switched to a lighter pattern in, I think, the late 70's!

Britool wrenches can be hard to date as they often made two styles in parallel. My 74 catalogue, for example, lists open end wrenches in both 'engineers pattern' and 'slim pattern', the former to be preferred! Combination wrenches were only available in one pattern though!

I have a set of BA wrenches, with exactly the same style of wallet as yours, that my father bought, I think, in 1972!
 
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According to the little card in the tool box it is a valve grinding tool. It must adapt to some old valve grinding cutter for doing valves or something

Indeed it is!

Valve replacement, and the associated re grinding, was a common job back then!

One if my earliest memories of car maintenance is helping my father to do this very same job on the cylinder head of his Austin Cambridge! No extra tools required, you simply attach this to your speed brace, lean it against the valve, and wind it round and round!
 

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Here are some vessel drivers I ordered the other day. I'm very impressed with their quality!

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