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For me it was a bit strange at first use since i only own a top handle jig saw so it was different. But after a few cuts it´s ok :)
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btw. soccer world championship related tools....:)
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Quite busy and loud imo.
How much do they want for them ?
 
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Hi guys I'm new here, so let me just quickly introduce myself; I'm a 25 Year old, college student, home mechanic from Belgium.

After spending an hour to remove a rusty bolt for the hundredth time something inside me cracked, and I bought this baby. It's a magnesium body, dual hammer Hazet 9012MG
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Didn't test it out yet because I don't wat to use it without an air filter.
One small question though, I put a non-impact socket on the gun and had a really hard time getting it of. it was a Gedore socket with the 4 holding notches on the inside of the drive. I presume impact sockets only have one or 2 of these to prevent you from using normal sockets, or am I doing something wrong?
 
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Impact sockets typically only have 1 hole through 1 wall, sometimes through 2 walls and very rarely have the detents seen in chrome sockets.

Gorgeous tool!
Curious about the air filter comment, do you mean a condenser? I use neither but my small compressor doesn't get much use and when I drain it it is clean and almost no condensation.
 

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Impact sockets typically only have 1 hole through 1 wall, sometimes through 2 walls and very rarely have the detents seen in chrome sockets.

Gorgeous tool!
Curious about the air filter comment, do you mean a condenser? I use neither but my small compressor doesn't get much use and when I drain it it is clean and almost no condensation.

Thanks for the confirmation about the sockets!
At the moment I only have one of these hobby style 24 liter compressors. even after I drain it, it doesn't take long before it spits out water again. So I was hoping if I drain it, use an air filter to get most/all of the vapor out and then reduce the pressure to 6 bar, I shouldn't have to worry about condensation/ damage inside the tool.
I'll get a condenser once I get a decent compressor.
 

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This is an interesting discussion...and i think you have got a point there, many brands simply died because the quality and/or design wasn´t up to date. When everything suddenly grew global, the habbit of buying from a nearby manufacturer disappeared. I remember when my father changed job, and was introduced to Wera Kraftform screwdrivers (35-40 years ago) , suddenly the old Bahcos got off his shelf. Bahco made great, durable tools, but before the "Ergo" revolution, the design was old-fashioned, not very "hip" and not very user-friendly. But don´t get me wrong, i love old Bahco (and E.A. Berg). ;)







Although i´m an old tools collector, this is really a good point. There is also a big difference between loving old tools and use them on and off for homework, and on your own car, and to be a craftsman with a schedule and timeplan for every job.







Same as above...Would i buy 440s for my collection? No. Would i trust them in a professional job: Yes.;)





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From top: Kamasa, unknown german, kamasa and Belzer wrenches.

Kind of interesting:

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The 8 mm Kamasa is from the "original" Kamasa, made in Japan. The 9/16 is later (my guess) and from West Germany. Hi Roverbo.You do have a point when you talk about product design,and what you say about amateur vs proffesional.When i go to a local car dealership i take a peak in the employees tool cabinets,and well maybe im a snob when it comes to tools ( and some other things) and what they have is not to my standards......lots of what i consider as cheap brands,like Teng Tools.In norway the Teng Tools importer have done a great job on marketing the brand,and you can buy their tools many places......i do not think Teng Tools are anywhere near what you can call well designed,but still they sell good,because of marketing campaigns,and not that cheap either. What i forgot to say earlier when i bashed Stanley,was about the economic aspects of outsourcing parts of the manufacturing,i dont know how many lost their jobs at facom,but running a factory also benefits the surroundings of where the factory placed,that is even more important today when the economic situation around the world aint the best.So i rather buy products made in europe just for that reason......It would be interesting to see a price comparison between a set of combinatoin wrenches ranging from 8-24 mm.Facom 440 vs Stahlwille open box vs Gedore 7 series. Do the customer get cheaper tools when high quality brands move their production to low cost countries?
 

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I realize quoting and editing posts isnt my strongest side:) Anyway off to the Kamasa wrenches i do have a set of both the kamasa w-germany and kamasa japan sets.From what i think the W-Germany must be from the 80s.The japan made ones was sold during the 90s.Kamasa also sold a design almost the same as the japanese,but no coo marking.
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Quite busy and loud imo.
How much do they want for them ?
....and probably taiwanese...:)
no prices... only available direct from Reca and only for business customers... :(
Hazet 9012MG
very nice looking tool !
It´s normal that the sockets come off a bit difficult if the gun (and sockets) are still brand new.

Thanks for the confirmation about the sockets!
At the moment I only have one of these hobby style 24 liter compressors. even after I drain it, it doesn't take long before it spits out water again. So I was hoping if I drain it, use an air filter to get most/all of the vapor out and then reduce the pressure to 6 bar, I shouldn't have to worry about condensation/ damage inside the tool.
I'll get a condenser once I get a decent compressor.
If there is water coming out i would definately get a filter....and air tool oil..
something like this:
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or with built in regulator:
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Hi guys I'm new here, so let me just quickly introduce myself; I'm a 25 Year old, college student, home mechanic from Belgium.

After spending an hour to remove a rusty bolt for the hundredth time something inside me cracked, and I bought this baby. It's a magnesium body, dual hammer Hazet 9012MG
CZzfOV.jpg



Didn't test it out yet because I don't wat to use it without an air filter.
One small question though, I put a non-impact socket on the gun and had a really hard time getting it of. it was a Gedore socket with the 4 holding notches on the inside of the drive. I presume impact sockets only have one or 2 of these to prevent you from using normal sockets, or am I doing something wrong?


Welcome to the group Johannes.

For stubborn bolts repeated attack with some penetrating fluid often helps. Then there is recourse to the hot axe ( oxy-acetylene or even a propane torch), can do wonders - the expansion contraction cycle may break the rust bonds.

Still a worthwhile preamble if the initial rattle gun attack does not easily move the freeze.
 

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Welcome to the group Johannes.

For stubborn bolts repeated attack with some penetrating fluid often helps. Then there is recourse to the hot axe ( oxy-acetylene or even a propane torch), can do wonders - the expansion contraction cycle may break the rust bonds.

Still a worthwhile preamble if the initial rattle gun attack does not easily move the freeze.

I used half a can of WD-40, beginning to soak those nuts 2 days before I did the actual work. Like I said I've been there a few times :p.
But when I finally got the nuts off, the threads were still bone dry, only the first millimeter was penetrated. Are there any better penetrating fluids than WD40? Or are they pretty much all equally effective?
Unfortunately I don't have a torch...Yet.
 

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I used half a can of WD-40, beginning to soak those nuts 2 days before I did the actual work. Like I said I've been there a few times :p.
But when I finally got the nuts off, the threads were still bone dry, only the first millimeter was penetrated. Are there any better penetrating fluids than WD40? Or are they pretty much all equally effective?
Unfortunately I don't have a torch...Yet.

WD40 is not a penetrating oil. Search on this board for many threads on the subject, but PB Blaster is a commonly available one, maybe Kroil or acetone/ATF are better. Nice impact!
 

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WD40 is not a penetrating oil. Search on this board for many threads on the subject, but PB Blaster is a commonly available one, maybe Kroil or acetone/ATF are better. Nice impact!

Hmm, it said so on the tin :p well that explains a lot. Thanks!
 
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A 50/50 mixture of acetone and ATF is my favorite penetrating oil. Cheap too, so you can use it in copious quantities.
 

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A 50/50 mixture of acetone and ATF is my favorite penetrating oil. Cheap too, so you can use it in copious quantities.

Thanks for the tip! No lack of information on that subject it seems.


Any of you guys know what this thing is? Google came up empty :p. It has an interesting spring loaded wheel which enables you to tighten it quickly.

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WD-40 is as useless as a slinky without stairs. you can go cheaper and more efficient than the Henkel product linked above: use a can of air(computer cleaning type) upside down it will easily get that bolt down to -40°C, whack it with a dead blow hammer a couple times then let the mix of acetone+ATF do its wonder... hope that helps. :thumbup:

BTW, never ever ever torch up a wheel stud/nut/bolt/whatever when a tyre is mounted, it will go *boOm!* and you'll be either almost dead or quite dead. :(
 

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Here's another interesting item of the Swiss brand Gressel. Anyone familiar with?

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http://www.gressel.ch/


oh yes... way too familiar. :D

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that's our first one still awaiting some time for a good resto. :(


it's my only expensive swiss vice, err, vise, err, "vice"... :lol:

the others are quite inexpensive in comparison, like PB, Steinel, Valorbe or Erem stuff...
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looks like an old plumber tool, at least the one i saw was in the toolbag of an old plumber so my deduction comes from that. :)
 

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oh yes... way too familiar. :D

that's our first one still awaiting some time for a good resto. :(


it's my only expensive swiss vice, err, vise, err, "vice"... :lol:

the others are quite inexpensive in comparison, like PB, Steinel, Valorbe or Erem stuff...
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So, Gressel is just as good as vises like Heuer, Leinen...?

Thread straightener/cleaner
Ok, would be nice to see one in action.. (then I have to buy it.. I guess :D)
 
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Any of you guys know what this thing is? Google came up empty :p. It has an interesting spring loaded wheel which enables you to tighten it quickly.


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If any of you guys were wondering: apparently it's used for those splined nuts like you find in adjustable coilovers
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So, Gressel is just as good as vises like Heuer, Leinen...?

nope.
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better, it's swiss! :evil:



never play with an hydraulic(jaws + column) one for sale... unless it's cheap or your wallet will commit suicide before you get home. ;)


Ok, would be nice to see one in action.. (then I have to buy it.. I guess :D)

doesn't look like the one you posted pics of has threads... :headscrat
 

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okay the fellas, i know i ask many questions but pay day is here on Friday and i want/need a new set of metric spanners so i am not wasting your time!, and there will be a set in my box come monday. i'm torn between this facom set http://www.primetools.co.uk/product/102616 this stahlwhile set http://www.primetools.co.uk/product/102148 and this toptul set http://www.vantagetools.co.uk/wrench-sets/3403-toptul-gaat1603.html also im interested in the bahco set iv mentioned in a previous post. my concerns are are the facom 440s too short for automotive work? the stahlwhile set seems a little incomplete, is the toptul set as good as the facoms? and are they longer? and finally im concerned the bhahcos look a little cheap any info or recommendations would be greatly apprciated
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Merbie, easy decision - Stahlwille = German (aerospace, automotive, industry...)

I wouldn't be concerned with the missing 16 and 18mm, I can't remember the last time I used either.


Stahlwille
http://www.stahlwille.de/en/company/historical-review/
1862 - The first generation
The company is founded (efficient drop-forge) by Eduard Wille (age 25) - products: pokers and fire-tongs - conversion to tool forge - factory space 150 m² - products: various forged steel tools.

They have grown some since then.


Toptul looks good
TOPTUL Professional Tools have been manufacturing for nearly 20 years.
The excellent tool quality and performance have gained a great recognition worldwide. "We are the first tool manufacturer in Taiwan who not only focus on the usage of high grade steel material, innovative product design, strict heat treatment control, precision manufacturing process and advanced production procedures, but also strongly emphasize on the outstanding surface finish of the tools. Only the tools with fine appearance can really prove the outstanding excellence",
 
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Someone is going to want help on their old 3 series, my 2003 needs tons of 18mm & 16mm. as well as pretty much every other size.
 

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Geeze,
That's a tough call. Any of those sets would be an excellent choice.
If you compare the lengths of given sizes of Stahlwille 13s and Facom 440s, most of the 13s are actually shorter than the 440s. In automotive work, you don't want the wrench to be too long. Sometimes you need to reach in a cramped space and the length can be a liability. I have a set of the long Stahlwille 14 series and the box end with its large offset often won't fit where I need to go. The Gedore 1Bs have the same problem. My Hazet 600s always seem to fit where the Stahwille 14s won't. For a long wrench, the Hazet 600N is definitely the best for automotive work. But that's not what you're asking.

I'm always concerned with the COO, so I would probably go with the Stahlwilles. But there are only 10 wrenches in this set, while you get 14 with the Facom and 16 with the Toptul. So you would get a lot fewer sizes for your money. You should make sure it covers the sizes that you really need.
And...
I have a few Facom 440s and they're gorgeous wrenches. The box end design is ideal. Plus the wrench clip they give you is definitely a BIG plus. But they are made in Taiwan, so I do resent the way Facom takes the money they save and puts it into useless advertising. You always feel duped when you buy a tool with a European brand but it's made off shore.
The Toptuls don't have the nice wrench clip and, oh I don't know..I just couldn't see spending my hard earned money on tools that I'm going to use for years and years with dumb name like that. Every time I reached in my tool box, I would see the wrench and say to myself: "Damn-what a stupid name!" I know that's not very rational or scientific, but it's part of the emotional factor.

So I think the Facoms would seem to be the smartest choice.
But I would say screw that and buy the Stahlwilles. :thumbup:
If you need more sizes, you can get them later


 
 
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Thanks for the advice guys, now am I stupid or do sidchrome make the same wrenches as the 440 but long and polished? Because if they are the same as the macs I'm having a set even if I have to order it form aus


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Thanks for the advice guys, now am I stupid or do sidchrome make the same wrenches as the 440 but long and polished? Because if they are the same as the macs I'm having a set even if I have to order it form aus


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Sidchrome website has a 440 series listed as a new product.

No pics ... just descriptions,

... they are probably still grinding stanley or something off the shank - so they can put a sidchrome sticker on 'em .. :D

Link ... http://www.sidchrome.com.au/category/440spannersets
 
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