Tools from the old world

[Reto]

This might be interesting for some people. Unfortunately, someone had apparently the glorious idea to make a second hole in the handle. Not sure why. :-(

 

[Vinko]

Nice one Rice Rocket. Didn't know about Timberwolf Tools and didn't know much (and still don't -- but more than I did) about Mafell. Speaking of Metabo and Mafell (and tools that start with M), I picked up several packs of Merkur abrasive discs (Made In Finland) and they've been great. Don't know if they're any better than 3M (though I haven't really done a determined test), but I like them. And the price isn't too bad on Amazon

 

[rune-hammer]

Nice one Rice Rocket. Didn't know about Timberwolf Tools and didn't know much (and still don't -- but more than I did) about Mafell. Speaking of Metabo and Mafell (and tools that start with M), I picked up several packs of Merkur abrasive discs (Made In Finland) and they've been great. Don't know if they're any better than 3M (though I haven't really done a determined test), but I like them. And the price isn't too bad on Amazon

Are you talking about mirka? Their manufacturing plant is 20 km from my home! I do not know if they make the angle grinder discs themselves, but their sandpaper products are made there. They are great, but not cheap.

 

[jkuc003]

Are you talking about mirka? Their manufacturing plant is 20 km from my home! I do not know if they make the angle grinder discs themselves, but their sandpaper products are made there. They are great, but not cheap.

Their Deros sander is an amazing looking tool also. When I need an orbital sander that's what I'll be buying without hesitation.

 

[Monte]

Suhner looks like it manufactures most of its own stuff, except maybe the cordless line they recently came out with. They did get the front sections for some of their tools like specialty sanders, but I think they may be producing those parts themselves now.

yeah forgot Suhner I guess the battery system and cordless motors are imported just like the new Trumpf 10,8 volt cordless motors.

Back pre 2012 when Hilti was being sold thru Home Depot, a large number of the flagship Hilti tools were being made in Liechtenstein. This included the top end circular saws, reciprocating saws, screwguns, rotary hammers, jigsaws, etc. A lot of this production has been shifted elsewhere, and they definitely don't manufacture some of their tool lines themselves, but they do own a number of production facilities, some of which are used to produce tools or components.

The higher end corded tools are still made in euro countries iirc. In the US they also have a slightly different lineup like the large Makita grinder which is not sold over here or the 99 dollar Hilti-Makita recip saws which not available here too.

Actually, I just remembered, the owner of this company told me they used to make toolboxes for Stahlwille back in the day. I can only assume they were only for the NZ market.

whhhaaat ?? surprising. I´ve to ask at the next fair...

Now everyone in our shop wants this stuff And the German stuff is more reasonably priced than the USA truck brands. Several people have commented they prefer the "satin" of the Stahlwille to the polished chrome of the SO wrenches. .

good to hear

One initial impression (and it's purely aesthetic) is the Stahlwille finish isn't nearly as clean as the SO wrenches I have. Maybe it's just the models I have. I don't mind it at all though.

they´re all like that. The wrenches are not ground like the glossy ones from Snap-on etc.

The Hilti Jigsaw I have is made in Lichenstein. I don't know what the COO rules for that country are (or for the EU in general - i.e. to what extent does something have to be "made" in such-and-such a country to be allowed to wear the tag "Made in"?) -- but I've found the Hilti jigsaw is my favorite. More so than the Bosch made in Switzerland. --- the weight, the feel, the handling. Able to do some scroll work with it too very easily. I've got a drill made(I think) in Switzerland that's top as well.

i think the higher end Hilti tools are still top but i´m worried about the tools i saw at home depots website a while ago: recip saw: $99.- ...

The following may be something Monte likes (not sure, though). Unfortunately, only four of them and not exactly the sizes I use most.

nice Belzer wrenches ! not common anymore though

This might be interesting for some people. Unfortunately, someone had apparently the glorious idea to make a second hole in the handle. Not sure why. :-(

"W-Germany" "Made in Sweden"...? interesting...















Fein ASCM 12 cordless drill
10,8 volt, brushless motor, 4 speed all metal geartrain (0-400/0-700/0-1400/0-2500 rpm), 2.5AH, 1/2" metal Rohm chuck

the chuck can be removed

belt hook and magnetic bit storage. The belt hook can be mounted on both sides with or without the magnetic bit storage. The bit storage also can be mounted without the belt hook:

battery charger can charge 12 (10,8), 14 and 18 volt batteries:

coo batteries: (underside of battery is rubber coated)

coo tool:

 

[Krokodil]

Wow, Monte. That is nice!

 

[Cybermike]

Fein ASCM 12 cordless drill
10,8 volt, brushless motor, 4 speed all metal geartrain (0-400/0-700/0-1400/0-2500 rpm), 2.5AH, 1/2" metal Rohm chuck

Nifty machine!

 

[Vinko]

Are you talking about mirka? Their manufacturing plant is 20 km from my home! I do not know if they make the angle grinder discs themselves, but their sandpaper products are made there. They are great, but not cheap.

Sorry yes Mirka. I meant sanding discs for a sander (wood or metal). Not the "grinding discs" -- though maybe they make those too.

 

[Vinko]

yeah forgot Suhner I guess the battery system and cordless motors are imported just like the new Trumpf 10,8 volt cordless motors.
The higher end corded tools are still made in euro countries iirc. In the US they also have a slightly different lineup like the large Makita grinder which is not sold over here or the 99 dollar Hilti-Makita recip saws which not available here too.
whhhaaat ?? surprising. I´ve to ask at the next fair...
good to hear

they´re all like that. The wrenches are not ground like the glossy ones from Snap-on etc.

Yes, there are a few American brands (Proto) that have done the hard chrome or the "Satin" chrome. I'm starting to prefer it.

i think the higher end Hilti tools are still top but i´m worried about the tools i saw at home depots website a while ago: recip saw: $99.- ...

I think this has been discussed (by you and others) previously but the Metabo, Hilti, Fein and Bosch all seem to have cheaper models made in China. Home Depot had expensive Hilti tools 5 years ago -- perhaps they didn't sell. They were good. I did buy a cordless Metabo saw online and when I got it it was Made in China so sent it back.

 

[rice rocket]

Yeah the Metabo cordless recip saw isn't that good.

Hopefully they're retooling it soon, as they just did their corded ones.

 

[Reto]

I took advantage of the Fein deal from Toolnut in the US that has been discussed widely on the Garage Journal. I wanted to take off the paint from the motorcycle frame in the first picture just mechanically instead of using the messy paint remover liquid, but it turns out this is very tedious. Maybe it will be paint remover liquid after all. Or are there any suggestions on how to remove paint mechanically in an efficient way? I have to justify the purchase of the drill, so please suggest something where I can use the drill... ;-)

 

[NonSenCe]

mirka. back in the day my dad was doing some engineering work for them. designed somekind of glue dispenser setup for their sandpaper line if i recall right. (it was some time ago.. 80s or early 90s.)

i remember him coming back from the factory (in finland) bringing bunch of sandpaper filling trunk and back seat of his car. they were straight from the machine, without any cutting to size, as wide as the machine made it, just ripped out a section and then rolled into big loose rolls. some of them were seconds or offcuts from beginning or the end of the real finished product, so they had some quality issues.. a fold here or a hand size bald spot in one section of the 4ft wide piece. some of the rolls were of perfect quality.

i for one, didnt care of little visual or quality problems, just dídnt use that part. we just had alot of sandpaper for free, that would last "forever". i remember the first time i actually had to go and buy sandpaper, as i needed a grit we didnt have (anymore?) -and it is still the same today- i can not believe how much it costs! growing up i could afford to just throw it away didnt have to save or spare it at all. there was alot of it around. i sometimes used some of it as maskingpaper too. hahah. (now i wish i hadnt been so spendy with it back then)

i remember seeing friends look at the sizes of sandpaper i might of brought with me to say sand my car in friends garage.. just a hand torn sections of different grits of paper. like one guy looking at the mirka text: " i have never seen a piece of sandpaper this big, and you clearly just tore it out from something BIGGER!?"

and now, we finally running out of them, we are at the last two rolls. only have few feet left of the 80 grit and the 1000-1500grit.

 

[rune-hammer]

mirka. back in the day my dad was doing some engineering work for them. designed somekind of glue dispenser setup for their sandpaper line if i recall right. (it was some time ago.. 80s or early 90s.)

i remember him coming back from the factory (in finland) bringing bunch of sandpaper filling trunk and back seat of his car. they were straight from the machine, without any cutting to size, as wide as the machine made it, just ripped out a section and then rolled into big loose rolls. some of them were seconds or offcuts from beginning or the end of the real finished product, so they had some quality issues.. a fold here or a hand size bald spot in one section of the 4ft wide piece. some of the rolls were of perfect quality.

Haha yeah I hear what you are saying, I have had the same relation to sandpaper. When I was growing up my first memory of mirka was that it was they who made a giant roll of sandpaper that we had standing in the corner in the workshop. My grandparents had found it at the local dump, so I guess some local who worked at the factory had brought home and later got rid of it. It was this huge roll, wide as a man and maybe 15" thick.

Later in life my dad made some work for them too and also sold some stuff for some people who worked at the factory, and got paid in sandpaper

Their abranet stuff is great, it's this abrasive mesh that is really good at transporting the dust out if you have it attached to a vacuum cleaner. I used loads of it when I remodeled the house.

 

[Monte]

Wow, Monte. That is nice!

Nifty machine!

Yes, there are a few American brands (Proto) that have done the hard chrome or the "Satin" chrome. I'm starting to prefer it.

The "Wright" ones look good too

I think this has been discussed (by you and others) previously but the Metabo, Hilti, Fein and Bosch all seem to have cheaper models made in China. Home Depot had expensive Hilti tools 5 years ago -- perhaps they didn't sell. They were good. I did buy a cordless Metabo saw online and when I got it it was Made in China so sent it back.

yeah they all do that but it somehow damages the brand name and reputation...especially Hilti´s because they are (were) considered one step above the others...

I took advantage of the Fein deal from Toolnut in the US that has been discussed widely on the Garage Journal. I wanted to take off the paint from the motorcycle frame in the first picture just mechanically instead of using the messy paint remover liquid, but it turns out this is very tedious. Maybe it will be paint remover liquid after all. Or are there any suggestions on how to remove paint mechanically in an efficient way?

it seems most people sandblast motorcycle frames.
Maybe use cleaning discs, but it will be difficult to get into every corner...

I have to justify the purchase of the drill, so please suggest something where I can use the drill... ;-)

drilling...












comparison of the regular Fein boxes and the new 12 volt tools boxes (on the right/on top)

 

[losvre]

or bicycle box
sounds like a nice store


what he said
If you don´t count vacuums:
Baier would be on 2nd place since they buy 1 tool (at least the motor)
Festool: 2 ?
Kress: i think they buy 3 tools elsewhere
Mafell: i guess 4 tools (3 cordless drills + 1 router)
....

what actually does Hilti manufacture themself.....? Rotary hammers in Austria, some stuff in Lichtenstein...and...?....

What about Flex?

 

[Reto]

More Facom France

 

[Reto]

Facom France Insulated Philips Screwdrivers

 

[Reto]

Felo wooden handle screwdrivers

 

[Reto]

Felo Insulated

 

[Reto]

Witte wooden handle

 

[Reto]

Felo Philips and Pozi with hex drive

 

[Reto]

More stuff from Japan...

 

[Reto]

Wiha (probably a bit of overkill for my needs...)

 

[Reto]

More stuff from Japan... (Vessel). I am waiting for the day I can buy a Koken ratchet from Craftsman... ;-)

 

[Reto]

Rebadged Orbis from Pratt Read (this has been discussed quite a bit on the forum)

 

[Reto]

Duratool pliers (rebadged Donau, according to my best knowledge, and my best guess is that at the end of the day, these are Orbis as well)

 

[Reto]

Duratool (rebadged Orbis)

 

[Reto]

Denmark...

 

[Reto]

Self-defense tools from France....

 

[Reto]

Vintage from Wiha. No COO... (?)

 

[Reto]

Meister (rebranded, I guess, but Monte surely knows the OEM) and how to use it....

 

[Reto]

Fine stuff from the land of chocolate. NOS, around 30 years old

 

[Reto]

NOS Philips

 

[Reto]

More PB NOS

 

[Reto]

Dowidat

 

[Reto]

Last one for today.... Balzer, not Belzer. No COO. Anybody has info on these? I have no clue, to be honest...

 

[BMack37]

Wiha (probably a bit of overkill for my needs...)

Nice set, I'm pretty jealous! I do have a question I hope you can answer; how deep are the nut drivers for say the 5mm? As in how deep can a nut sit in it, not how deep is the hollow shaft.

 

[Vinko]

Love that Wiha set. What's the part no. on the set as a whole?

Also love the Orbis gear and the PB Swiss NOS -- great stuff.

 

[BMack37]

That's the Wiha 92191 set, I've been wanting it for a while. It's $185 at KC

 

[jkuc003]

NOS Philips

Where did you find these? I'm envious!! I've got a spot for them in my toolbox if you'd like them looked after...