Tools from the old world

[jkuc003]

Thanks heaps for the photos, sorry to be a nuisance but do you have photos of these ratchets alongside the standard ratchets that they've made forever (#'s 415, 435, and 512)? That way I can gauge size etc.



I would ask you in a private message however I think this could be useful for others to refer back to.

That looks like a well used Rollmaster and bunch of ratchets. Glad they are serving you well!

It wasn't actually that long ago that I found that Rollmaster so it's seen very little use by me. It's covered in surface rust but the castors seem near new, there are no dents, the rubber on top is great. Just missing one of the round knobs to open the bottom tray. Once I work out what the original paint colours were it'll be getting a birthday. Unfortunately the salty air where I am from seems to cause everything to rust and fall apart in no time so everything has to be cleaned and painted pronto.

your ratchets are perfectly fine !

They seem to do the trick I saw on a thread somewhere someone describing the handles on their stahlwille ratchets like a dog had chewed them, describes mine perfectly. I reckon it just adds grip

 

[NonSenCe]

there is pretty good deal at the moment of the Hazet 953SPC. 168euros.

https://www.hitmeister.de/product/3...-VGGJISBaU5wTiUqQwFgbq5fHnnZokJaz0ZXURqb2Ypc=

ordered my hazet 3/8" set from that company last year.

and.. so far i have been pleased with build quality of the facom rs440 set mentioned earlier also. (price was 5 euros more before when i bought mine. i still think it as hell of a deal, been telling all my friends about it too. "if you do need a new complete backup set or even main set.. look at the facom deal".) although havent needed it much yet, only few smaller tasks.. just used it to get used to it. its middle of winter and nothing is broken here at the moment. i spent a ton on new tools and nothing is breaking down at the moment. how cruel punishment that is.

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and about me adding pictures.. adding them into forums is too tedious task.. i first need to take a pic. (find camera, and then the tools and where to shoot the pictures). move it from camera to computer. go online, register into a photosharing site. transfers pictures into the site, but before that, maybe get a program to make them into thumbnail size, modify the pictures. then log in to the forum, log into photoplace, transfer picture and then still write something in the forum. hahah. way too much effort.
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are there still old style hand drills sold new? decent quality? or do i need to keep an eye on antique stores and junkyard sales. (likely get ton better quality from those used up tools anyways)

i think i have seen those small handdrills somewhere.. you know the kind with toothed flywheel that you rotate. only good for drilling into soft stuff with small drillbit size.. something like 4mm max drillbit. like these: http://www.old-woodworking-tools.net/hand-drill.html

the ones i found were so horrible quality chinese sheite that it would likely fail as fishing nets anchorweight. not to mention as an actual drill. all wobbly and weak.

but actually i was looking for something more like this one.. (i have very similar one already, neglected family "heirloom") a contained /boxed one with gears hidden inside. https://www.colourbox.com/image/old-hand-drill-on-bright-background-image-1982931

 

[Moose-LandTran]

some window shopping

I wish we had tool shops like that here. I was in Germany for work a while ago, and drove over to TBS Aachen. Turns out they're not open on Saturday. I sat in my van and had a little cry. Their shop looks amazing.

 

[handtools-from-germany]

Thanks heaps for the photos, sorry to be a nuisance but do you have photos of these ratchets alongside the standard ratchets that they've made forever (#'s 415, 435, and 512)? That way I can gauge size etc.



I would ask you in a private message however I think this could be useful for others to refer back to.

Hello, of course i make this pictures in the afternoon and post them here.

 

[HCNDM]

there is pretty good deal at the moment of the Hazet 953SPC. 168euros.



https://www.hitmeister.de/product/3...-VGGJISBaU5wTiUqQwFgbq5fHnnZokJaz0ZXURqb2Ypc=



ordered my hazet 3/8" set from that company last year.



and.. so far i have been pleased with build quality of the facom rs440 set mentioned earlier also. (price was 5 euros more before when i bought mine. i still think it as hell of a deal, been telling all my friends about it too. "if you do need a new complete backup set or even main set.. look at the facom deal".) although havent needed it much yet, only few smaller tasks.. just used it to get used to it. its middle of winter and nothing is broken here at the moment. i spent a ton on new tools and nothing is breaking down at the moment. how cruel punishment that is.



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and about me adding pictures.. adding them into forums is too tedious task.. i first need to take a pic. (find camera, and then the tools and where to shoot the pictures). move it from camera to computer. go online, register into a photosharing site. transfers pictures into the site, but before that, maybe get a program to make them into thumbnail size, modify the pictures. then log in to the forum, log into photoplace, transfer picture and then still write something in the forum. hahah. way too much effort.

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are there still old style hand drills sold new? decent quality? or do i need to keep an eye on antique stores and junkyard sales. (likely get ton better quality from those used up tools anyways)



i think i have seen those small handdrills somewhere.. you know the kind with toothed flywheel that you rotate. only good for drilling into soft stuff with small drillbit size.. something like 4mm max drillbit. like these: http://www.old-woodworking-tools.net/hand-drill.html



the ones i found were so horrible quality chinese sheite that it would likely fail as fishing nets anchorweight. not to mention as an actual drill. all wobbly and weak.



but actually i was looking for something more like this one.. (i have very similar one already, neglected family "heirloom") a contained /boxed one with gears hidden inside. https://www.colourbox.com/image/old-hand-drill-on-bright-background-image-1982931

I ordered the facom 440 last night. It wil be my main set. That said I use my mains every weekend in the summer months but maybe once a month in the winter. Hoping I made the right choice.

This way I save a little now and building a new shop is a tiny bit closer.

Thanks for the advice.

With regards to pictures they are a pain. It's the primary reason I use Tapatalk to access the forum. Makes posting pics a lot easier.

When the ratchets arrive I will do a coo list and post it here.

What I was able to find so far is some of the sockets are Europe the ratchets Taiwan.


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[losvre]

there is pretty good deal at the moment of the Hazet 953SPC. 168euros.

https://www.hitmeister.de/product/3...-VGGJISBaU5wTiUqQwFgbq5fHnnZokJaz0ZXURqb2Ypc=

ordered my hazet 3/8" set from that company last year.

and.. so far i have been pleased with build quality of the facom rs440 set mentioned earlier also. (price was 5 euros more before when i bought mine. i still think it as hell of a deal, been telling all my friends about it too. "if you do need a new complete backup set or even main set.. look at the facom deal".) although havent needed it much yet, only few smaller tasks.. just used it to get used to it. its middle of winter and nothing is broken here at the moment. i spent a ton on new tools and nothing is breaking down at the moment. how cruel punishment that is.

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and about me adding pictures.. adding them into forums is too tedious task.. i first need to take a pic. (find camera, and then the tools and where to shoot the pictures). move it from camera to computer. go online, register into a photosharing site. transfers pictures into the site, but before that, maybe get a program to make them into thumbnail size, modify the pictures. then log in to the forum, log into photoplace, transfer picture and then still write something in the forum. hahah. way too much effort.
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are there still old style hand drills sold new? decent quality? or do i need to keep an eye on antique stores and junkyard sales. (likely get ton better quality from those used up tools anyways)

i think i have seen those small handdrills somewhere.. you know the kind with toothed flywheel that you rotate. only good for drilling into soft stuff with small drillbit size.. something like 4mm max drillbit. like these: http://www.old-woodworking-tools.net/hand-drill.html

the ones i found were so horrible quality chinese sheite that it would likely fail as fishing nets anchorweight. not to mention as an actual drill. all wobbly and weak.

but actually i was looking for something more like this one.. (i have very similar one already, neglected family "heirloom") a contained /boxed one with gears hidden inside. https://www.colourbox.com/image/old-hand-drill-on-bright-background-image-1982931

Do you mean one like the following? That is my dad's and should be at least 30 years. That means proper heat treated gears, machining precision etc. I may sell it for 999

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[losvre]

Do you mean one like the following? That is my dad's and should be at least 30 years. That means proper heat treated gears, machining precision etc. I may sell it for 999

If you look more carefully it even has two speeds!!!

 

[Monte]

My favourite tool in that window display is....

i like them all

are there still old style hand drills sold new?

yes. Made in Spain by Zenten. And from Schroder made in Germany:
http://www.fine-tools.com/bohr1.html

I wish we had tool shops like that here. I was in Germany for work a while ago, and drove over to TBS Aachen. Turns out they're not open on Saturday. I sat in my van and had a little cry. Their shop looks amazing.

Most professional stores over here are closed on saturday...













Does somebody has experience with these Cox 10,8 volt caulk guns ? It seems they use Bosch batteries....www.pccox.co.uk

 

[kissmeimgerman]

I have not been here in a while...
West German Knipex Alligators

 

[maico]

Thanks for taking the time to post those photos. I don't think anyone has done the size comparison before.

The heads seem bulky. They lock in 4 positions including straight but my Snap On FX 3/8th is much slimmer and locks in multi-postions. The Facoms have no lock. I have the 1/2" one and don't really miss the lock on that size although I would on the 3/8th.

 

[Bogdan M.]

24NM torque wrench ?

Yes. Used for spark plugs. Not very necessary, but nice to have.
I have other torque wrenches, but I liked the ideea of a special torque wrench for this application.

 

[Dave455]

are there still old style hand drills sold new? decent quality? or do i need to keep an eye on antique stores and junkyard sales. (likely get ton better quality from those used up tools anyways)

i think i have seen those small handdrills somewhere.. you know the kind with toothed flywheel that you rotate. only good for drilling into soft stuff with small drillbit size.. something like 4mm max drillbit. like these: http://www.old-woodworking-tools.net/hand-drill.html

the ones i found were so horrible quality chinese sheite that it would likely fail as fishing nets anchorweight. not to mention as an actual drill. all wobbly and weak.

The very last ones I saw new were being made by Footprint in the U.K. They seemed to be of good quality, and were still being supplied to British Telecom I believe! They were certainly on offer maybe 2 or 3 years ago, so it might be worth dropping them an e mail!

The problem is that there have probably been hundreds of thousands of these things manufactured over the years, and in normal use they don't wear much, so any new product is competing against the dozens on eBay at any one time, for upwards of a few pounds! If I wanted another, this is the route I'd take, and you can probably find new condition if you wanted it!

I assume, of course, that we are talking about ''hand' drills here!

The examples shown in some other replies are 'breast' drills. Still useful, but a different tool!


Edit - just exercised my German and had a look at various online suppliers. Robert Schroeder do still seem to make hand drills - good on 'em! There seem to be a couple of qualities on offer, the better of which don't look half bad!

 

[NonSenCe]

Do you mean one like the following? That is my dad's and should be at least 30 years. That means proper heat treated gears, machining precision etc. I may sell it for 999

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indeed. that look like the same. mine is made in poland too. color is pale blue (hammerite style paint finish). i think mine is beyond 40 years or more in age. as i do remember playing and drilling with it myself as a kid over 30 years ago.. back when i was too young to be trusted a powertool (too expensive or something hahah) so i got to train making holes in my projects with this breast-support model. these childhood memory throwbacks i got when i found the drill are main reason to get another. for oddball cool factor.

cool to know that there are still some available. will be checking them out. people here know it all.. why try google.ask here faster and precise answers.

rant:
the google, it dont work. .actually it dont any more. it wont search things you have written, it searches something it thinks you should be searching or might be interested of because they get money for bumping certain pages upwards.. not the actual words and things you do want to see. it is badly flawed on favoring past searches and advertising. no. i am not searching what i was searching last time. i used slightly different words.. use them not the searches i did yesterday. dont put me in same pages i was last time i searched if i am not searching on that matter anymore. dont add new words in. focus on words i do use. i can search an actual sentence i know that was there to be found weeks before, found it with google search then on first page. but as google "learns" that i used similar word searches after it, it will simply bypass it totally because its soo "smart". the original, correct search answer does not exist. until page 10 or so anymore.

end rant.

please suggest a search engine that works.

 

[marlinspike]

Not all of the euro tools have a place yet, but...

 

[losvre]

indeed. that look like the same. mine is made in poland too. color is pale blue (hammerite style paint finish). i think mine is beyond 40 years or more in age. as i do remember playing and drilling with it myself as a kid over 30 years ago.. back when i was too young to be trusted a powertool (too expensive or something hahah) so i got to train making holes in my projects with this breast-support model. these childhood memory throwbacks i got when i found the drill are main reason to get another. for oddball cool factor.

cool to know that there are still some available. will be checking them out. people here know it all.. why try google.ask here faster and precise answers.

rant:
the google, it dont work. .actually it dont any more. it wont search things you have written, it searches something it thinks you should be searching or might be interested of because they get money for bumping certain pages upwards.. not the actual words and things you do want to see. it is badly flawed on favoring past searches and advertising. no. i am not searching what i was searching last time. i used slightly different words.. use them not the searches i did yesterday. dont put me in same pages i was last time i searched if i am not searching on that matter anymore. dont add new words in. focus on words i do use. i can search an actual sentence i know that was there to be found weeks before, found it with google search then on first page. but as google "learns" that i used similar word searches after it, it will simply bypass it totally because its soo "smart". the original, correct search answer does not exist. until page 10 or so anymore.

end rant.

please suggest a search engine that works.

try duckduckgo.com for unbiased search engine that does not spy on what you are visiting etc.

 

[Bogdan M.]

 

[submariner]

Not all of the euro tools have a place yet, but...

Mighty fine collection you have there, all you need is a Hazet tool cart

 

[Monte]

Yes. Used for spark plugs. Not very necessary, but nice to have.
I have other torque wrenches, but I liked the ideea of a special torque wrench for this application.

work like a pro

Not all of the euro tools have a place yet, but...

Very nice collection ! Do you have some more close-up pics ?















Found these storage cabinets in a garbage can:

Raaco and Eaton Tecomaster branded

both made in...:

 

[marlinspike]

Very nice collection ! Do you have some more close-up pics ?

I can arrange to.

By the way, I was told that in Europe they don't use Sawzalls. What do you use instead?

 

[dutchgray]

I can arrange to.

By the way, I was told that in Europe they don't use Sawzalls. What do you use instead?

Hand saw mostly for the bits you can't get to with a circular or jig saw.
I do have a reciprocating saw but don't use it a whole lot.

 

[Monte]

I can arrange to.

that would be cool !

By the way, I was told that in Europe they don't use Sawzalls. What do you use instead?

we use sabre saws instead

i think it´s mostly a plumbers tool over here. It´s officially called a sabre saw. Sometimes also called "Tiger saw". It seems the first company who sold these tools (or sold most of them ?) was Rems. They offer a saw named "Tiger". But i´ve not yet seen that these saws are used for car body repair like in the US for example.

 

[marlinspike]

Hi!

Who told you that and in which context/ for what kind of work?

Despite the fact that I own and use one myself I have seen quite a couple of pros that worked for me using them. Mostly for either quick, rough cuts (battens and counter battens for example) or for all sorts of demolition work, especially but not limited to flush cuts (piping in wall, for example)

Also for cutting up euro pallets...

Kind regards,
Oliver

The local Metabo/Milwaukee dealer told me this (we're in a shipping area so we have some European industrial businesses around). I guess he was wrong lol.

 

[JAKE-THE-TOOL-MAN]

Not all of the euro tools have a place yet, but...

you guys cost me so much damn money! I love that Hazet funnel and now I must get one to compliment my other Hazet tools...

 

[marlinspike]

I started to do this and then realized there's too much stuff. Anything in particular that interests you? That Carl Hamel vernier caliper was my grandfathers, and still sees use. The friction lock doesn't work anymore, but it's still accurate. Any idea who makes that aluminum Mercedes camshaft wrench?

I love these adapters, they add nothing to the tool depth. I don't even know why Stahlwille offers the other kind.

 

[voodooaw]

I love these adapters, they add nothing to the tool depth. I don't even know why Stahlwille offers the other kind.

Maybe for COO reasons.

 

[losvre]

I started to do this and then realized there's too much stuff. Anything in particular that interests you? That Carl Hamel vernier caliper was my grandfathers, and still sees use. The friction lock doesn't work anymore, but it's still accurate. Any idea who makes that aluminum Mercedes camshaft wrench?

I love these adapters, they add nothing to the tool depth. I don't even know why Stahlwille offers the other kind.

Hello Marlinspike,

It seems that you own both Hazet and Stahlwille sockets. Have you ever broken either of them?

Which one you think is stronger, by experience?

I have broken one Stahlwille 3/8 once with some "extra effort" of their 300mmm extension and my friend of 100kg stepping on.

 

[Blöckw@rt]

 

[marlinspike]

Maybe for COO reasons.

Oh, these aren't made in Germany?

Hello Marlinspike,

It seems that you own both Hazet and Stahlwille sockets. Have you ever broken either of them?

Which one you think is stronger, by experience?

I have broken one Stahlwille 3/8 once with some "extra effort" of their 300mmm extension and my friend of 100kg stepping on.

I have never broken either, but I think Hazet is stronger, but every now and then I get in a very tight spot and Stahlwille fits where others do not.

 

[maico]

Not all of the euro tools have a place yet, but...

You have many of the same tool makes as I do.

That (Wurth?) torque wrench is made in Banbury England by Norbar, the largest manufacturer in Europe of torque tools.

 

[marlinspike]

You have many of the same tool makes as I do.

That (Wurth?) torque wrench is made in Banbury England by Norbar, the largest manufacturer in Europe of torque tools.

2 of them are Beta-branded and the one in the case is Wera-branded. I know the two with the squared area to display the torque setting are made by Norbar, but any idea if the Beta one with the rounded torque setting window is made by Norbar too? It's the Beta 606 torque wrench series.

And yes, Norbar definitely makes the best torque wrenches. All of them came with slips showing they were within 1.5% and even the 10 year old one there still hasn't needed recalibration.

 

[losvre]

Oh, these aren't made in Germany?


I have never broken either, but I think Hazet is stronger, but every now and then I get in a very tight spot and Stahlwille fits where others do not.

Thanks for the info, I had the same feeling about Hazet being stronger and Stahlwille are thiner for tight spaces.

With regrads to the adaptors I am not sure about the coo but I think these ones are increasing the size to socket while the others are decreasing the size to socket. The traditional adaptor you go from 1/2 to 3/8 while these special Stahlwille you go the other way around from 3/8 to 1/2, if that makes sense?

 

[DBendr]

Thanks for the info, I had the same feeling about Hazet being stronger and Stahlwille are thiner for tight spaces.

With regrads to the adaptors I am not sure about the coo but I think these ones are increasing the size to socket while the others are decreasing the size to socket. The traditional adaptor you go from 1/2 to 3/8 while these special Stahlwille you go the other way around from 3/8 to 1/2, if that makes sense?

When you do this you'll need an impact adapter when using Heavy Duty American Ratchets . You'll twist those hammer finished Euro ones right off !

 

[Rocklim]

Not all of the euro tools have a place yet, but...

I'm wondering what is the model for the Metabo Cordless Drill? Recently I bought a Metabo Cordless Hammer drill, but it doesn't come with the right angle attachment.

 

[DBendr]

Forward to 6:30. That Metabo is a toy. Li'l dogs stay on the porch

 

[marlinspike]

I'm wondering what is the model for the Metabo Cordless Drill? Recently I bought a Metabo Cordless Hammer drill, but it doesn't come with the right angle attachment.

It's the BS 18 LTX BL Quick with the 5.5 ah batteries kit. It didn't come with the right angle or the bit holder attachments (I think they come with the bit holder in Europe though?). I ordered the right angle from amazon.de (along with the bit holder and something else but I forget what).

 

[rice rocket]

Forward to 6:30. That Metabo is a toy. Li'l dogs stay on the porch

Uhh. Dude completely misunderstood how the drill works.

He put it into impulse mode, and thought it was protection mode or something. If it went into protection mode, it wouldn't work at all.

 

[marlinspike]

Forward to 6:30. That Metabo is a toy. Li'l dogs stay on the porch

1 - if you want more torque than anything else out there, just get the X3 attachment
2 - he isn't using the brushless version even though the description says he is (???)
3 - the new 5.5ah batteries really do make more power (it's not just marketing, see http://www.coptool.com/2015-cordless-hammer-drill-challenge-bosch-dewalt-makita-metabo-milwaukee/).
4 - The tool protecting the user from damaging it is a good thing
5 - But was it even, or was that impulse mode???

 

[rice rocket]

Looks like he changed his tune in his latest review (and is actually reviewing the brushless this time). FFWD to 10:30.

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[losvre]

When you do this you'll need an impact adapter when using Heavy Duty American Ratchets . You'll twist those hammer finished Euro ones right off !

I fully agree, exept there are tolerance issues go full impact metal

 

[monkeyspanners]

By the way, I was told that in Europe they don't use Sawzalls. What do you use instead?

I would say they are uncommon here in the UK, I can't remember seeing one being used on a construction site. I had always though of them as a diy tool until i saw them being used by my hvac friends on youtube in the states.

Mainly i would use either hand saws, chop saw, circular saw or a grinder. But i have now got a cheap Porter Cable one i imported just to have something different!