Tools from the old world

[ricleh]

@ricleh: I already have a 1/2" Metabo drill so i thought a small/light 3/8" drill would be good.
IIRC you own a lot of Fein tools ? Sander, angle grinder, vacuum, jigsaw ?
Please post some pics if you like.

My small collection of Fein power tools

2 dustless 6" random orbit sanders

Variable speed detail sander

Single speed detail sander

Pneumatic detail sander

Variable speed jig saw - super smooth

Dustless half sheet sander

5" angle grinder with quick change requiring no tools

 

[ricleh]

Vacuum with power tool control

Variable speed power hacksaw

8" buffer/polisher

Some other European tools

Lamello Top10 biscuit jointer - Swiss made

Bessey supergrip clamps

16 Bessey K-body clamps (a little hard to see), the longest ones are 8'

 

[mik641]

Koken Breaker Bar

Bahco 4 and 5mm Allen sockets

Bahco 8,11 and 16mm 3/8" Sockets

8mm 1/2" socket and 1/4" 14mm socket and 3" 1/4" Extension

Bahco 1/2" Drive socket set

 

[Monte]

@ricleh: What a impressive collection !!!!

2 Msf 636 (?) One for the left hand one for the right hand ?
3 oscillating tools... + Ast(e) 638, Mss 641 (?) ASt649 ? ... Lamello...
A true connoisseur of fine electric handtools...

Thanks for posting !


I only have this one so far:

 

[-B-]

@Chreese: A good digi cam is also on my wishlist but all the money is already into tools ... PS: post some pics of your Berner toolbox ! Did you buy a complete (filled) one ?

I don`t have the Beta`s with the metal handle only these hex T-handles:

Those look very interesting ...... why are the truly cool useful tools found in Europe.

 

[superautobacs]

This thread is on a roll this week.

Love my little PB deadblow. I think the steel washers inside makes it more effective than the common shot filled versions.

 

[bchee]

dumb question
What is the "old world" that this thread refers to?

 

[superautobacs]

dumb question
What is the "old world" that this thread refers to?

Simple. Think historically.
NA is arguably "new world".

 

[bchee]

at first I thought it was "european" but there's plenty of Japanese stuff in here

 

[superautobacs]

Monte acknowledged that Asia is also part of the old world. So, I guess we're allowed to post tools from China and India, too!

ps: Asia is old world too:

;-)

 

[-B-]

North & South America are the new world

 

[Phang]

This thread is on a roll this week.

I am reading this thread on a daily basis, here is my contribution on scewdrivers Bright sunlight from the window on the right of the photo, it is a sunny 34 degree Celsius day near to equator now.

 

[GuidoK]

Monte acknowledged that Asia is also part of the old world. So, I guess we're allowed to post tools from China and India, too!

Afaik it wasn't until 1543 that europeans set foot on the islands of Japan.
China was already known (from a european perspective in the 1300's (marco polo).
So better post tools from China than Japan

 

[Monte]

@Mik641: That ko-ken breaker bar looks sweet !! If you have more ko-ken/Bahco etc. feel free to post them here !

@-B-: the Beta set is for sale......

@superautobacs: do you have a pic from the inside of the hammer ? I only read about the discs. I wonder which size of washers (?) they use ? M6 ? M8 ?

@phang: sweet ! Nice KTC (old Bost brand ?) and PB and red and green handle screwdrivers !
Do you have any close-ups of the end cap of the PB screwdrivers

RE: old world: yes so feel free to post all of your Harbour freight tools here !
(no !!! ) I thought since there are already about 765 pages of mostly "new world" tools it would be interesting to have a thread for everything from the rest of the world.

Something from India:
(the wrench on top)

 

[Phang]

Monte,

Yes, you are right on those softgrip KTCs

The red and green handle screwdrivers are for carburetor tuning, the width of the blade is not larger than the diameter of the shaft so that you can access to a recessed jet.

No, not the fancy embossed end caps found in the later version

 

[-B-]

@ monte we will figure it out on the Betas

The red and black KTC's were sold at CM many moons ago I bought the a 5 pc set I only have the large flat blade left and a #1 ph that has been customized in to a special tool. The red grip has separated on all the drivers I threw the other out as the tips were trash and CM no longer carried them.

 

[DS-21]

Some of the wrenches on the pic look like they say "O`kay" ? Or I am blind ?

I already heard from ppl who visited sweden that there are a lot of american cars since you also don`t have to pay tax for cars older than 30 years i heard ? When my monte carlo will be finished in a couple of decades I`ll visit Västeras for sure !! http://www.bigmeet.com/

Yes vehicles older than 30 years are taxfree. The 27 year old J-20 costs now ~200eur annually which is a heavy increase from a few years ago! To put things in perspective a full tank of gas is nowadays ~80eur. That's also an increase It's really worth it travel to Västerås if you like US-cars, I'll guarantee it Try google "bilder power meet" for all sorts of pictures

You are not blind They made tools under the O'kay, Ray, and Orenco names. Some of them very good. A competitor to Bahco in the 1950s...

@superautobacs : Your memory must be better than mine, that 1,5 year old thread come up now after a search. Amazing that ~40 year old Orenco's found their way to Hawaii!

 

[Monte]

@phang: thx for the pics !!!

DS-21: thanks for the info ! Interesting water pump plier ! Never saw such one !
haha yeah talk about gas !! 1,34 Euro/Liter..........

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Dewalt drill. What does a Dewalt drill do in this thread ? Look where it`s made

 

[bchee]

what is this "england" place you speak of?

 

[Moose-LandTran]

what is this "england" place you speak of?

It's a small wet island west of mainland Europe. Known for it's wonderful and individual cuisine, driving on the other side of the road and wild moose working on cars.

 

[kiall1987]

what is this "england" place you speak of?

Its a horrible place full of English people , now wheres my coat

 

[Monte]

maybe better known as united kingdom or great britain ? They have a fantastic breakfast with these small sausages, egg, beans and sauce

 

[Moose-LandTran]

maybe better known as united kingdom or great britain ? They have a fantastic breakfast with these small sausages, egg, beans and sauce

Mmmm.... Full English.. i could eat one right now.

 

[superautobacs]

DS-21,
I agree with Monte, I think that adjustable plier is really quite unique.

I remember being in a neighbourhood pub, somewhere in England, gulping down a not-so-cold, light coloured beer that had a sweetness to it. I can't remember what they put in it, or what it's called. There was no other beer that was as refreshing as that...but that was when I was 18 when I was still 'discovering' beer.

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

@Chreese: A good digi cam is also on my wishlist but all the money is already into tools ...

A digital camera has never "really" been on my wishlist. There are too many tools on it. BTW, I finally went ahead and purchased the Gedore 1919-90 set yesterday.

PS: post some pics of your Berner toolbox ! Did you buy a complete (filled) one ?

I promise that I'll do that but it certainly will take some time. At the beginning of this year my plan was to get a toolbox (empty) that should give me the space I need to store all those tools that were crowded and unorganized at that time. Then I visited the Autozum show. That was a great opportunity to check out different toolboxes. At the Berner booth I was attracted by this deal: Berner Evolution II toolbox (empty) for EUR 449; Berner Evolution II toolbox with 10 filled inserts for EUR 849 (without VAT). Guess what I ended up with ... Since that I bought more and more tools and as a consequence, the chaos is even bigger than it was a few months ago.

I don`t have the Beta`s with the metal handle.

I already feel that I'll have to get them one day.

@ricleh: I already have a 1/2" Metabo drill so i thought a small/light 3/8" drill would be good.
IIRC you own a lot of Fein tools ? Sander, angle grinder, vacuum, jigsaw ?
Please post some pics if you like.

My suggestion:
- small Fein drill such as the ASkeu 636, the ASke 636 or the ASye 636
- Duss B 13/2 RLE
- Protool DRP 20 Quadrill
- maybe a "cross-handle" drill

Also, the ratchet heads and beam seem to resemble the Willes, and the abundance of spline sockets....just a coincidence?

Hm, I'd rather think that the Berner ratchets look like Facom ratchets.


@ricleh
Congrats on this impressive selection of excellent tools.
May I ask you for a close-up pic of the Lamello biscuit joiner's handle?

@mik641
Do you know where the Bahco socket set is made?

Regards,

Chreese

 

[UK Steve]

Its a horrible place full of English people , now wheres my coat

It used to be a one of the best places in the world, but sadly now it's not full of English!!!!!!!

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

nothing fancy today, just a simple PB hose plucker:

Greetings from Europe,

Chreese

 

[Monte]

I thought you wanted the U-10 ? But the price for the box was too alluring right ?

haha it seems it`s time for a bigger box ! Or another one
So it`s one like this ?:

So when you have the chance take some pics of the box and the tool inserts ! Please include some close-ups of the screwdrivers + pliers (if you have some) They seem to offer rebadged Wiha + SKG screwdrivers. Which ones do you have ? They also have some nice NWS pliers with blue/grey softgrip handles

You seem to have the same taste of electric tools like me !
Additionally to your list I`d like to have this drill from Eibenstock

and this 4-speed drill from Protool:

RE: Berner Ratchet:
Maybe Facom maybe from farther away

 

[superautobacs]

Hm, I'd rather think that the Berner ratchets look like Facom ratchets.

Yeah, you guys are both right; it does resemble the Facom, too. Threw in some pics of the Willes:

You asked where the non-reversible (spline?) head ratchet is made. I think it's from Taiwan (Kabo) based on the two component handle and the (brass?) set screw on the side of the head.

 

[ricleh]

Servus,

@ricleh
Congrats on this impressive selection of excellent tools.
May I ask you for a close-up pic of the Lamello biscuit joiner's handle?

Chreese

This is the older Lamello Top10 purchased about 15 years ago.

 

[Monte]

Global collection of locking pliers:

Spain, Denmark, Germany, Japan, USA, France

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

I thought you wanted the U-10 ? But the price for the box was too alluring right ?

Correct, Monte. Besides, I can still buy a Gedore U-10 ratchet. So far, I own only a single 3/8" ratchet. I don't know if I'll ever need inch sockets but as it shouldn't be a disadvantage to be prepared for anything that might happen I'm contemplating a small 3/8" socket set with the U-10.

To your knowledge, does any other European tool company offer dual pawl ratchets? Matador?

haha it seems it`s time for a bigger box ! Or another one

Yes, one day I'll buy a second toolbox. The Rau workbench you bought looks fine. I found a Hazet 166 N at a tempting price but, to be honest, while I like the classic design of this box I don't think it is good value if I consider the space it provides. The Vigor WH 700 might be a better choice.
Nevertheless, the next bigger investment is probably a drill press.

So it`s one like this ?:

Yep.

So when you have the chance take some pics of the box and the tool inserts ! Please include some close-ups of the screwdrivers + pliers (if you have some) They seem to offer rebadged Wiha + SKG screwdrivers. Which ones do you have ? They also have some nice NWS pliers with blue/grey softgrip handles

Sorry, I have to disappoint you. The only Berner pliers I bought were the circlip pliers and the water pump pliers I already posted pics of. I didn't get any Berner screwdrivers either. The deal was that one could choose ten different inserts, regardless of price. So I decided for tools that I didn't have in my arsenal and the second aspect I brought attention to was price. When I saw that an insert with ratcheting wrenches cost EUR 170 while screwdrivers went for EUR 60, decision was fairly easy.
As far as I know, Berner offers Witte and SKG screwdrivers. You can download the complete Berner catalogues (construction and garage equipment) from the Berner CZ website.

Something like the Eibenstock drill was in my mind when I mentioned a "'cross-handle' drill".
The Protool cordless drills are impressive. I always take the chance to play with them at stores. If I didn't own the Protool Quadrill DRP 16 and an older Festool cordless drill (CDD) I wouldn't hesitate to get one of the Protool Quadrives.


Thanks for the pics of the Stahlwille ratchet, superautobacs. There's no doubt, the Berner ratchets look a lot like the Stahlwilles. I'll will take a bunch of close-up pics of the Berner ratchets as soon as possible.
Some of the older Berner ratchets that I found in a catalogue had the same handles as the Facom ratchet Monte posted a pic of.

Thanks for the photos, ricleh. I've never seen a Top 10 with this type of handle before.

Have a nice weekend,

Chreese

 

[Monte]

oh oh ! Only one 3/8" ratchet is not enough
There are a lot of uses for inch sockets... Harley, us-cars, caterpillar
I think the other ratchets are all single pawl.

yes from the provided space the Vigor is better, Metec would be a alternative or "Adlatus" brand boxes from Rau.
But it also depends on how you store your tools, you could put everything into one of the assisstents too.....

ah ok i see i thought it was a standard setup like ratchets etc. with 1 inlay pliers, 1 inlay screwdrivers, 1 wrenches etc. , but to choose the more expensive tools makes more sense .

btw Festool:

 

[Garage_Mahal]

Here is a Stanley Fatwax that looks just like the USAG screwdrivers. Here too. Nice set of USAG screwdrviers for not a lot of money.

 

[Zorro13]

Global collection of locking pliers:

Spain, Denmark, Germany, Japan, USA, France

Interesting that Facom is copying HF locking pliers:

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=96460

Almost perfect Know Off by Facom, they only missed the safety lock pin and the handle cushioning

 

[Monte]

Here is a Stanley Fatwax that looks just like the USAG screwdrivers. Here too. Nice set of USAG screwdrviers for not a lot of money.

Unfortunately mostly they are available only in sets. The stanley site don`t list individual screwdrivers. And always buying sets become expensive after a while....

 

[Monte]

Interesting that Facom is copying HF locking pliers:

Almost perfect Know Off by Facom, they only missed the safety lock pin and the handle cushioning

haha yes ! nice try from facom...

 

[Monte]

Hazet open end wrenches from the 1930`s

Old and new

 

[Chreese]

Servus, Monte,

oh oh ! Only one 3/8" ratchet is not enough
There are a lot of uses for inch sockets... Harley, us-cars, caterpillar
I think the other ratchets are all single pawl.

Correct, I need more (3/8") ratchets, more screwdrivers, more sockets, more wrenches etc.
I don't own any of the "toys" you mentioned and - even more astonishing - they aren't on my wish list either. If time, money, space and knowledge weren't an issue I'd like to get an old truck or off-road vehicle such as a Steyr 680, an Unimog, a Pinzgauer or a Mercedes/Puch G. A tractor would be nice as well.

yes from the provided space the Vigor is better, Metec would be a alternative or "Adlatus" brand boxes from Rau.

Maybe I'd rather decide for a mobile workbench instead of getting another toolbox. Rau has some nice shop equipment but I guess the deals are less tempting after the shipping costs are added.
How about the Beta Supertanks? Would you recommend them?

But it also depends on how you store your tools, you could put everything into one of the assisstents too.....

Not quite my taste, I'm more of an organized guy. The classic Assistents just look "cool" in my opinion and one day I'll probably feel a strong desire to get one. But as a toolbox it wouldn't be my first choice.

The TDD should be one of the last units without FastFix. As far as I know, "Festo" changed its name to "Festool" in 2000. And 2001, the FastFix feature was introduced.
For those interested in woodworking and woodworking tools, I do recommend to check out Festool. You won't regret. In my opinion, some of the Festool tools are really hard to beat.

BTW, what do you think about the location of the knurled grip on Gedore sockets? When a Gedore socket is attached to a ratchet, I need a second hand to reach the knurled area. I can't reach the knurling with the hand I operate the ratchet with.

Have a nice day,

Chreese

 

[Monte]

but i think then you should buy some 3/4" and 1" drive tools "just in case"....

The Rau bench was only 35.- € Shipping (spedition) for 737 KM from near stuttgart to Hamburg. To ship it to anywhere in Austria shouldn`t be (much) more expensive i think.
I would email them. Do you have to move the bench ? Otherwise here are some workbenches from Tecnolam /Italy click . If you can/want to spend that amount of money the super tank would be nice i guess, but i only saw the regular boxes here so i can`t comment on them.

Yes i think Festool and Mafell is what i would look into for woodworking too.

The only really working knurling you`ll find on Hazet sockets, thats why i have them The Gedore knurling should be lower.
Gedore has this for you to turn the socket:

The latest addition to the screwdriver collection:
"Promat" brand driver (made by wiha)