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HCNDM · Sep 29, 2016

jessysirazvan said:
Thank you a lot to everyone for the advice you gave it to me.
Me too I heard many good things about Naniwa stone.
Edit:
I think I will buy here where I found cheaper as in Italy a half price
https://www.amazon.de/gp/aw/d/B000R40324/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2SJAIZLTFG2LU
Thank you again to all.

That's a great price Jessy! May have to order a spare at that money too!

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Superbec · Sep 29, 2016

by the time you sharpen a knife with a waterstone I sharpen mine, cut my food, cook it and eat it

HCNDM · Sep 29, 2016

Superbec said:
by the time you sharpen a knife with a waterstone I sharpen mine, cut my food, cook it and eat it

That may be true but I like it like that [emoji39][emoji6]

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garfieldzzz · Sep 29, 2016

HCNDM said:
Agreed.

I like waterstones but they are simply not practical when camping which is when I revert to a spyderco sharpmaker if I have a vehicle or a falkniven dc4 diamond ceramic stone when on foot.

I have seen excellent results achieved with a tile And varying grits of sandpaper. But also belt sanders, bench grinders, cardboard with polishing paste, and sandstone blocks.

There are so many methods that work well. It's a question of finding what works for you and a lot of practice.

Don't practice on your zwilling. Practice in something cheap and disposable.

The only thing that is true for all methods is to go from coarse to fine!

Stropping with leather is always advisable because it removes the micro burr. It's also pretty much the cheapest finishing method. Any piece of old leather and some polishing paste will do.

I may have to admit to sharp edge disease at this stage. I love sharpening and keeping tools whether they are chisels or kitchen knives razor edged.

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Oh that was a misunderstanding, i was talking about the stone to reshape it with a tile and wet sandpaper, I never tried to sharpen a knive on sandpaper. my Zwillings only see the stones

maico · Sep 29, 2016

marlinspike said:
Anybody have opportunity to handle the Ochsenkopf ILTIS axes and can say how the Canada and Europe model compare in use?

Can't be many people out there that have used all of them.

I've got the Universal Forestry axe 20 H-1407. Nice C60 steel

One of the few things tool experten Monte can't answer :willy_nil

HCNDM · Sep 30, 2016

garfieldzzz said:
Oh that was a misunderstanding, i was talking about the stone to reshape it with a tile and wet sandpaper, I never tried to sharpen a knive on sandpaper. my Zwillings only see the stones

Oops my bad... i have a naniwa flatening stone for that purpose. Gotta try tile and paper.

I purposely let the cheaper stones go concave for my gransfors axes. I use a puck sharpener in the field though.

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Kiwi 007 · Oct 1, 2016

Has anyone used Wurth tools? I've got a couple of Wurth Zebra socket sets, 1/4 & 3/8

HCNDM · Oct 1, 2016

Kiwi 007 said:
Has anyone used Wurth tools? I've got a couple of Wurth Zebra socket sets, 1/4 & 3/8

I have Some. Its allround decent stuff. I think they used to have own production and maybe still do but there's also a lot of rebranded and made in Asia amongst new wurth. I would scale them just under facom these days. Though the ratcheting wrenches are really nice.

A bit like mac I guess. Multiple oems under one brand.

My new arrival which I am happy with. Pretty much same design but much better all round than the pos made in China its replacing.

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Blöckw@rt · Oct 1, 2016

hemdale said:
Very cool product ! Would you be able to show us a bit more your best plumbing tools as well ?

Ok, a very small insight...

…..these are the indispensable handtools you need as a plumber !

a few more.....

tubular box wrench
combination stepped key
installation wrench 17x19mm
basin wrenches
plumbers wrench

Reciprocating saw

Novopress press machine for pipe fittings

Testo diagnostic tool for heating systems

gasman23 · Oct 1, 2016

I bought a used beltsander for €200
Manufacturer is BGU http://www.bgu-maschinen.de/de/prod...kt]=39&cHash=6063a748669b575e050ba676dda8c42d

bandsize is 150x2000mm, 4Kw / 5,5 hp motor, 3 phase 400 volt.

chrissalas1 · Oct 1, 2016

HCNDM said:
I have Some. Its allround decent stuff. I think they used to have own production and maybe still do but there's also a lot of rebranded and made in Asia amongst new wurth. I would scale them just under facom these days. Though the ratcheting wrenches are really nice.

A bit like mac I guess. Multiple oems under one brand.

I think wurth never had own production nor does now.They used to rebrand facom for socketry-now the sell asian stuff.Some pliers are knipex.Screwdrivers are felo.Some electric tools are bosch.They used to sell also liquids-additives from liqui moly.

jessysirazvan · Oct 1, 2016

Oilless 6L DN200 compressor Stanley(very noisy)coo china(engine compressor is made by Nuair made in italy), i used it to control the tightness in copper radiator plant to 3 atm before conect to my Buderus wall boiler,on the floor on right Metabo UHE 2850 made in germany i used to made some heavy work like 90mm exhaust gaz hole of Buderus boiler

Ridgid 10" aluminium wrench pipe made in USA(very very good quality),bacho (made in spain)and unior Coo maybe Slovenia

Rothemberger piezo torch,Unior Irongator 80mm vice,on left corner in background red Ridgid 14"(coo USA) wrench pipe and NWS quattro grip 320mm,IUS (coo Romania)french pipe on left corner of the table

Cybermike · Oct 3, 2016

gasman23 said:
I bought a used beltsander for €200
Manufacturer is BGU http://www.bgu-maschinen.de/de/prod...kt]=39&cHash=6063a748669b575e050ba676dda8c42d

bandsize is 150x2000mm, 4Kw / 5,5 hp motor, 3 phase 400 volt.

It is HUGE!!!! :pimpflash

Ridgid workbench on the right?

Monte · Oct 3, 2016

losvre said:
Miele still makes all stuff in Germany. On the other hand Bosch is now mostly Romania, for Europe at least.

a few things are still from here:

maico said:
One of the few things tool experten Monte can't answer

Forestry tools are not my speciality

Kiwi 007 said:
Has anyone used Wurth tools? I've got a couple of Wurth Zebra socket sets, 1/4 & 3/8

Usually good quality but also a bit overpriced (except maybe their socket sets)

HCNDM said:
I think they used to have own production and maybe still do but there's also a lot of rebranded and made in Asia amongst new wurth.

They own Felo and a couple of screw manufacturers.

gasman23 said:
I bought a used beltsander for €200
Manufacturer is BGU

nice machine !!! :pimpflash

Welcome to the world of metalworking :thumbup:

Brunel · Oct 3, 2016

HCNDM said:
Wondering who makes that hitachi drill for them... certainly looks like a good masonry bit

Probably made by Bosch - it looks like one of theirs.

scope4 · Oct 3, 2016

Hi My name is Rich and I live in Chichester, England. I picked up this 20 tooth ratchet at a boot sale and think that it may be snap-on, possibly 1940 s ? the only markings on it are A-59444. Would anyone be able to give me any more information.

stanleyrleonard · Oct 3, 2016

Hope this helps Rich:

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vtg-snap-59444-8-drive-snap-name-458261250

Stan

T45 · Oct 3, 2016

That snap on looks like a long-handled version of the "ferret"...cool find.

If you want to use/keep it they can likely be upgraded to 30 teeth with a new rebuild kit.

scope4 · Oct 4, 2016

Thank you both for your posts, the information was very useful and I am tempted to keep it as you can still feel that it is a quality item.

Thanks again, rich

Superbec · Oct 4, 2016

it's museum quality ....

losvre · Oct 4, 2016

Blöckw@rt said:
Ok, a very small insight...

Testo diagnostic tool for heating systems

Very good advice and nice tools.

The Testo diagnostic is all the money

MWEric · Oct 4, 2016

Went to Wurth in Stade.

Precivilization · Oct 5, 2016

MWEric said:
Went to Wurth in Stade.

Nice man. I love those Knipex Cobras very much.
I hope you don't mind, but I clicked on the picture and it took me to a whole a lot of pictures of some serious serious tools, boy, that was invigorating to look at :drool:

. I have a question though, how useful do you think is that Gedore 19 SKU-20 you have? I mean can it do anything more than a set of ratcheting wrenches can do?

gasman23 · Oct 5, 2016

Cybermike said:
It is HUGE!!!!
Ridgid workbench on the right?

Yes, portable Ridgid workbench, I bought it for €75.
It`s a lot sturdier than a B&D Workmate :lol:

GForceJunky · Oct 5, 2016

Precivilization said:
Nice man. I love those Knipex Cobras very much.
I hope you don't mind, but I clicked on the picture and it took me to a whole a lot of pictures of some serious serious tools, boy, that was invigorating to look at . I have a question though, how useful do you think is that Gedore 19 SKU-20 you have? I mean can it do anything more than a set of ratcheting wrenches can do?

I went back and did the same after reading your comment and you weren't kidding. That's a damn nice setup. Never seen so many SO ratchets in one place...

MWEric · Oct 5, 2016

It was my first trip to Germany and it looked so nice, for sure not practical. They are nice however, ratchet is coarse but smooth. 16" cobras were only 34 euros, seemed like a good deal.

losvre · Oct 6, 2016

gasman23 said:
Yes, portable Ridgid workbench, I bought it for €75.
It`s a lot sturdier than a B&D Workmate

Hi gasman,

Nice stuff, may I ask you where did you get the workbench from?

Thank you

gasman23 · Oct 6, 2016

losvre said:
Nice stuff, may I ask you where did you get the workbench from?

I bought it second hand :bounce:

New Ridgid workbenches are £350 in the UK :shocking:

Machinemart also sells foldable workbenches £90
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-cwb10f-heavy-duty-workbench/

Superbec · Oct 6, 2016

gasman23 said:
I bought it second hand
New Ridgid workbenches are £350 in the UK

Machinemart also sells foldable workbenches £90
https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-cwb10f-heavy-duty-workbench/

here , cheaper and closer

https://www.hbm-machines.com/produc...kwaliteit-opvouwbare-werkbank-met-houten-blad

gasman23 · Oct 6, 2016

losvre lives in the UK

Superbec · Oct 6, 2016

gasman23 said:
losvre lives in the UK

well nobody's perfect

losvre · Oct 6, 2016

Thanks for this guys, you made me laugh

I do live in the UK however I visit The Netherlands often, actually end of this month!

Thanks again!

gi- · Oct 6, 2016

If money is of no issues (within reason) who makes the best fine tooth 1/4 and 3/8 quick release ratchet? Hazel /Stahwille / Gedor / Wera?

ttpete · Oct 6, 2016

gi- said:
If money is of no issues (within reason) who makes the best fine tooth 1/4 and 3/8 quick release ratchet? Hazel /Stahwille / Gedor / Wera?

In about 50 years of working with the tools, I never thought a whole bunch about doing minute comparisons of different ratchets. I thought and still think that S-K stuff was just fine, and never affected my work, because I didn't have the time and interest to do comparisons that didn't really amount to anything. It never affected my income, and I think that it's a discussion between those who don't rely on ratchets to earn a living.

T45 · Oct 6, 2016

gi- said:
If money is of no issues (within reason) who makes the best fine tooth 1/4 and 3/8 quick release ratchet? Hazel /Stahwille / Gedor / Wera?

Frankly the ratchets you need to beat are TR72 or TRLF72, FR80, SR80 by snap on. Stahlwille probably comes closest to being a reasonable competitor. They have specials on TBS aachen. Check em out.

gi- · Oct 7, 2016

T45 said:
Frankly the ratchets you need to beat are TR72 or TRLF72, FR80, SR80 by snap on. Stahlwille probably comes closest to being a reasonable competitor. They have specials on TBS aachen. Check em out.

Thank you for suggesting Snap-On, completely overlooked them.

Superbec · Oct 7, 2016

I tried Gedore fine tooth qr at TBSAchen store and it has almost 0 back-drag , I do own way too many ratchets to ever buy another one . (sry I don't know the exact part no )

losvre · Oct 7, 2016

After you do the reading I would suggest to check the ratchets is person as they feeling varies from batch to batch, I.e . How smooth they are and the backdrag.

On 3/8 Hazet , Stahlwille and Gedore are most similar to backdrag but different teeth count, 72, 80 and 60, respectively.

I have the 3/8 Stahlwille and it is the size of1/4 of the others and very smooth so I use it instead of 1/4 in tight places

I also have the 3/8 Facom quick release which is really good and feels very strong so that is my 3/8 to go.

For 1/4 I would go for Gedore if 40 teeth is not a problem as it is the smoothest quite compact and feels good. The Gazette is very smooth but not QR and bulky. Stahlwille v compact with 80t but not so smooth. Facom I have also in 1/4 is very smooth but not QR and not slim. I have tested the Carolus Slim Sixty with 60t and it is very smooth and very slim, not sure about strength and reliability.

You could also look into Japanese Nepros, Tone, Koken.

From personal experience when tested the Proxon and Vigor ratchets they were very coarse and did not like them at but Carolus felt nice.

Wera feels nice cause is smooth but did not buy because I was told they give problems with their mechanism. No personal experience here.

I also have the older Stahlwille 1/2 inch with 60t and is very smooth but the mechanism sticks every time I undo a bolt and need smacking. The new one has 80t but if you also looking for a 1/2 inch make sure you try the ratchet to undo let's say the tyre bolt with not much force.

Now you need to the math, teeth + backdrag + strength - dimensions to find what you like[emoji1]

Don't forget after you have used your ratchets to post the details and your experience with them and other tools that may be interesting to other people.

All the best

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losvre · Oct 7, 2016

Superbec said:
I tried Gedore fine tooth qr at TBSAchen store and it has almost 0 back-drag , I do own way too many ratchets to ever buy another one . (sry I don't know the exact part no )

Hey Superbec, gute morgen

The Gedore 1/4 is 2093 U-20

Gedore 3/8 is 3093 U-20

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Superbec · Oct 7, 2016

losvre said:
Hey Superbec, gute morgen

The Gedore 1/4 is 2093 U-20

Gedore 3/8 is 3093 U-20

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Morning

you tempt me ha?

I will not give in , I'm broke anyway.

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