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lol :thumbup: what did i win ???



yeah when you will be back garfunkle ??? :D Monday shopping ?? fly back tuesday ?? :D we need pics by wednesday ! :D ;)


now something completely different:

Pliers :D

but this time some older ones:

Hazet sidecutter

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Same design on the inside of the plier handles used also for the wrenches. Now that`s sweet !

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Servus, Monte,

Thanks for your explanations.

Nepros seem to be the upper line of tools, never saw them live but from the pics they look really good.

Yep, that should apply to the KTC line of tools. On the Toolsandstorage website it says: AmPro - good, KTC - better, Nepros - best.

Some pics of their leather and wood handle ratchets and other stuff was already posted in this thread. Looks really nice.

Not the kinds of tools I'd like to use. They are just too nice to be used.

Koken is available from Betec and www.mattes-werkzeuge.de. Betec also has Grip-on pliers - the only store i found. But never ordered from one of these stores, also not from the store in Holland.

Thanks for the links. Mattes seems to be a lot cheaper than Betec. The price difference is really hard to believe.

The US prices on Nepros are much lower.....

I haven't compared them yet. I guess shipping costs would matter in both cases: If I order from Toolsandstorage and if I order in the USA as well.


I will keep you updated about the NWS source - no email yet , hopefully tomorrow...

I'm experiencing the same (disappointing) service from Facom.

Thanks for the details on the Beta screwdriver. To be honest, I don't need any more screwdrivers (ok, maybe Torx Plus) but I don't have a Beta yet. I don't know if I can cope with this situation in the long run.
Getting Beta tools in Austria should be easy.

The dealer here for example don`t sell Beta anymore so i personally would be upset if i have a complete set with lets say 10 drivers and i can`t get a replacement so i would have 9 Betas and 1 from a other manufacturer.

Are you familiar with the reason why the dealers stop to carry Beta?

@chreese:
Here a Nepros ratchet and a interesting KTC wrench and some pliers for your expertise :)

Many thanks for contributing to my financial ruin.:D

lol :thumbup: what did i win ???

Nothing at all because you posted response No. 1000, the 1000th message came from garfunkle24.:lol_hitti

BTW, nice Hazet pliers.

Have a good day,

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@chreese:
I probably would put the Nepros tools in a display and never touch them...
The 1/2" Nepros ratchet in Holland: net 91 € in USA 69,95 $ . 1/4" in Holland: 46.- € in USA $ 34,95
ps: AmPro is from Taiwan

Many thanks for contributing to my financial ruin.:D
No problem !! I`m always glad when i can help someone out ! :D


ps: The best is just to call the Facom / Stanley customer service.

re: Koken:

KO-KEN Europe S. A.
7, rue de Bitbourg
L-1273 Luxemburg
Tel.: 00352 - 423678
Fax: 00352 - 423676
[email protected]

Are you familiar with the reason why the dealers stop to carry Beta?

Because they`re a unknown brand here and sales were low. Their list prices are about the same than Hazet etc. but i guess thats too high if you don`t know the brand. They sold them below list prices as a cheaper alternative to Hazet but still too high it seems. Now they offer imported tools instead at a much lower price. I spoke to the german importer (Kukko) and the sales rep said that the quality is average and that the sell them mostly to enthusiast of italian cars etc.

Nothing at all because you posted response No. 1000, the 1000th message came from garfunkle24.:lol_hitti

ooops :D


To the north americans: :)

NWS tools are available at:

HIPA Tools Inc. / HIP Enterprises Co
Mr. Mark Seizer
T: 514-694-2118
F: 514-694-4817
Email: [email protected]

googled the adress:

HIPA Tools Inc.
Pointe Claire
Quebec H9r 4z6
Canada

http://nws-tools.de/
 

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Monte, do you know if NWS does any ODM work for Felo's line of pliers? I found a very interesting picture of Felo's diagonal cutter which has a similar design to NWS. The handles look identical to the Matador branded ones too.

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http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200357799_200357799

Thank you for the information about the NWS dealer :)

Yes the insulated/VDE pliers are definitely NWS sourced too. The handle design, the head of the combination plier and the sidecutter with "serrated" head design (NWS patent) are the indicators. The regular pliers look like Orbis or maybe from the Stahlwille group.


I figured it was time I posted my Euro tool pics over here too:

Very nice collection and well selected too !
 
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Garfunkle24,

How do you like the Grip-on ergonomic (right angle) pliers? Which maintenance or repair situations do the ergonomic locking pliers are handy to use?

Are those Wera diamond screwdriver bits the best in removing damaged screws or screws with Loctite applied on the threads?

How do you like the German bolt extractors? Is the design one of the best on the market? Whose the manufacturer of those bolt extractor set?


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Dave, here is my review of the pliers from another thread:

Grip-on locking pliers

Again, a purchase I'm glad I made and do not regret. After using these for a while, Vise-grips feel clumsy in comparison. One of the first things I did was build some adaptors so that I could use these on my OTC and Snappy slide hammers. One minor annoyance is that I had to make 3 different adapters due to differing pressure screw threads. I only ever made one for Vise-grips and it seemed to fit all the 'medium' sized ones. Anyway, that aside, these pliers are great. The release action really is much better than the Vise-grip setup. Even in some stubborn slide-hammer situations, they lock on tight and refuse to let go. My Vise-grips are all now relegated to the status of welding clamps.

I have been using the ergo pliers more than I expected too and have mixed feelings about them. They are built very well and the jaws stay aligned even under heavy twisting force. They lock on very tight and release with a very smooth, non-knuckle-destroying action. If you have an active imagination, they also have the bonus feature of feeling like you're cocking a six-shooter when you release them:thumbup: The thing I don't like is the size adjustment. It just seems finicky to me and if I'm using something frequently, I want the ergos (ironic, huh?) to be perfect. Maybe for a repetitve job, with constant sized work pieces, they would be better. Overall, I'll be more inclined to reach for my pliers-shaped pliers in future.

The diamond coated bits do work great, but I have heard from others that the coating wears off very quickly. I haven't used mine enough to comment on that though.

I love the Rennsteig screw-extractors. I've tried every style of extractor known to man (well, this man) and these work the best for me. Having said that, I've always had great luck with this style of extractor too:
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Nice ! lot`s of Rennsteig stuff. Like the Weidmüller plier and the Facom hose removal tool. How does the Facom tool work ??


i throw in some scissors:

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and some hooks + picks. Since a "hook" was missing in the PB set i bought this set from Turnus too:

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Size comparison: PB + Turnus pick with PH0 drivers
 

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<< I love the Rennsteig screw-extractors. I've tried every style of extractor known to man (well, this man) and these work the best for me. Having said that, I've always had great luck with this style of extractor too: >>
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Garfunkle24,

Thanks for your opinion on the Rennsteig screw extractors. I own these spline screw extractors from Irwin: http://www.irwin.com/irwin/consumer/jhtml/detail.jhtml?prodId=IrwinProd100510. I would like to purchase a different screw extractor type in case the Irwin ones do not work. In regards to the picture of the other type of screw extractors in the red plastic case, would you please take pictures of the largest screw extractor out of its case? I do not understand how this type of screw extractor works on bolts.


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Dave

Sorry but I won't be back in the shop until Monday. Basically they are a square taper with an edge on each corner to bite into the screw. I have attempted to demonstrate this in my shoddy picture below:

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I can take macros of one on Monday if want me to. Here is a link to the set I have from Proto: http://www.stanleyproto.com/default.asp?TYPE=CATEGORY&CATEGORY=J9500B&strSiteName=PROTO&strDefaultCatalog=PROTO

There is also a very similar style from Snap-on that I haven't used personally, but I hear good things about them too:
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http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=10516&group_ID=1258&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

And finally, here is a link to the Rennsteigs for a decent price on Amazon:
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http://www.amazon.com/Rennsteig-RNSE5-Screw-Extractor-5-Piece/dp/B001DZ6YR4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1258178644&sr=8-3

Hope you find some that work well for you. For me, the only good extractor is one that I don't need.
 

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Servus, folks,

Lot's of great pics. Thanks for sharing. Keep them coming.

My contribution of the day: A pic of a buddy's AMF adjustable wrenches:

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After I browsed through the Ko-Ken catalogue, I wonder if there are any reasons why to prefer Hazet, Stahlwille or Gedore over Ko-Ken (apart from personal preferences). The prices of Ko-Ken tools seem to be very competitive here.
What do you think?

@Monte
What's your source for Turnus?

Have nice weekend,

Chreese
 
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@Chreese
I special ordered a couple of Turnus tools through my Kukko dealer (Kukko = Turnus).
Should be available in Austria @ www.maico-itools.at and www.rial-tools.at
The clamps are also available rebadged as "Garant" (with "PB Swiss" handle), "Promat" and "Primat" some with the newer Turnus handle some with a "Witte" handle.

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anti slip device:

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Ergonomic 2 component handle:

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features:

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Ps: You`re looking for cheap sockets ?? Can i send you some ?? :)

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Servus, Monte,

Thank you for the helpful information and the pics.
If Turnus belongs to Kukko then it shouldn't be a problem to get Turnus tools for me.

Ps: You`re looking for cheap sockets ?? Can i send you some ?? :)

Thanks for your friendly offer.
Do you have any experiences with this type of sockets? I haven't used my Berner I-sockets, yet.
Actually, I'm not looking for "really cheap" sockets but I was positively surprised by Mattes' Ko-Ken pricing in comparison to the three popular German companies. What do you and others think? Is Ko-Ken's quality at the same level as Hazet, Gedore and Stahlwille?
I realize that Ko-Ken sockets are often bigger (larger dia) and don't have knurlings. But other than that ...?
What I'm most likely interested in:
6 or 12 point SAE sockets (maybe just 3/8" for the beginning) and maybe 3/4" sockets (metric)
Would you tell me more about the catalogue pictured above, please?

BTW, can you educate me about Gewema and EDE? Is Gewema connected to EDE and if yes, in which sense? The websites and catalogues confuse me.

Thanks in advance,

Chreese
 

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Dave

Sorry but I won't be back in the shop until Monday. Basically they are a square taper with an edge on each corner to bite into the screw. I have attempted to demonstrate this in my shoddy picture below:

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I can take macros of one on Monday if want me to. Here is a link to the set I have from Proto: http://www.stanleyproto.com/default.asp?TYPE=CATEGORY&CATEGORY=J9500B&strSiteName=PROTO&strDefaultCatalog=PROTO

There is also a very similar style from Snap-on that I haven't used personally, but I hear good things about them too:
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http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item.asp?P65=&tool=all&item_ID=10516&group_ID=1258&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog

And finally, here is a link to the Rennsteigs for a decent price on Amazon:
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http://www.amazon.com/Rennsteig-RNSE5-Screw-Extractor-5-Piece/dp/B001DZ6YR4/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=hi&qid=1258178644&sr=8-3

Hope you find some that work well for you. For me, the only good extractor is one that I don't need.


Garfunkle24,

Thanks for drawing a picture of the square taper screw extractors. I now know how they function in removing damaged bolts. The Protos are out of my price range but I will purchase the Snap-on and Rennsteig sets at a later time.


Thanks,

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Servus, Monte,

Thank you for the helpful information and the pics.
If Turnus belongs to Kukko then it shouldn't be a problem to get Turnus tools for me.



Thanks for your friendly offer.
Do you have any experiences with this type of sockets? I haven't used my Berner I-sockets, yet.
Actually, I'm not looking for "really cheap" sockets but I was positively surprised by Mattes' Ko-Ken pricing in comparison to the three popular German companies. What do you and others think? Is Ko-Ken's quality at the same level as Hazet, Gedore and Stahlwille?
I realize that Ko-Ken sockets are often bigger (larger dia) and don't have knurlings. But other than that ...?
What I'm most likely interested in:
6 or 12 point SAE sockets (maybe just 3/8" for the beginning) and maybe 3/4" sockets (metric)
Would you tell me more about the catalogue pictured above, please?

BTW, can you educate me about Gewema and EDE? Is Gewema connected to EDE and if yes, in which sense? The websites and catalogues confuse me.

Thanks in advance,

Chreese

Hi Chreese,
i bought a couple of 17mm "spline"-sockets to build a holder for air-tools (the air fitting has a 17mm hex). I tried them on hex nuts but not Torx. But I think hex sockets for hex and Torx sockets for Torx is a better idea (better fitment- larger contact area).
Hazet sockets for example are only 2-3 bucks more expensive than the Ko-Ken sockets that`s not much. Hazet is also available everywhere, even Wurth sells them. I also prefer the finish and design on Hazet tools and the knurling on sockets is really handy when you use them for hand tightening. So the objective and subjective differences speak for Hazet. I only have a couple of SAE impact sockets from Koken used a few times and a set of 11 deep 1/4" sockets because they were only 2,69 € each but i didn`t use them so far. While the fitment on the square side is fine, the hex side on the Hazet sockets is tighter. So i can`t comment on the long term quality/durability.
I mostly only have hex sockets so far, so i will update my collection with 12 point sockets. I that case i will try Gedore sockets since they are still hot forged which should be stronger in a comparison of strength between cold and hot forged.

The catalog is from my local car parts distributor www.matthies.de . Their tools are sold under the JM /JMQ brand (i guess direct import from Taiwan). The ratchets for example look like this but with a slightly bent handle.

Re: EDE + Gewema. I dunno, maybe they are the partner from the EDE specialised in wood working machines since the regular EDE dealer mostly sell hand + electric tools. Never heard of them before you mentioned them.


Re: NWS pliers
Mark from HIPA tools contacted me, they have several NWS dealers in Canada, so if you contact him with your adress he can send you a dealer adress close to you. He also can help out US residents. :)


That`s also a reason i like Hazet, everything fits together from the design (Polished/mat finish)
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Here some more Turnus (Promat) clamps for you chreese:

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Servus, Monte,

Many thanks for your helpful reply.

Hazet sockets for example are only 2-3 bucks more expensive than the Ko-Ken sockets that`s not much.

Well, Hazet, Gedore and Stahlwille are basically affordable for me but I don't get upset if I can buy - let's say 10 sockets - of comparable quality and save USD/EUR 20 to 30.

Hazet is also available everywhere, even Wurth sells them.

From my experiences, this doesn't apply to Austria. Unfortunately. Gedore is what you get (almost) everywhere but it's rather difficult to find a (good) dealer that carries Hazet and Stahlwille. I discovered a source for Stahlwille lately but Hazet - I guess Hahn+Kolb would be an option.

I also prefer the finish and design on Hazet tools and the knurling on sockets is really handy when you use them for hand tightening. So the objective and subjective differences speak for Hazet.

I purchased the Hazet socket set 854 a few weeks ago and, indeed, the knurling is very nice. I can't compare it to Gedore and Stahlwille though. What we already discussed in this thread is that both of us seem to like Hazet's position of the knurling best.

I mostly only have hex sockets so far, so i will update my collection with 12 point sockets. I that case i will try Gedore sockets since they are still hot forged which should be stronger in a comparison of strength between cold and hot forged.

The topic 6 point vs. 12 point is regularly discussed here. Nevertheless, I still can't draw a clear conclusion from it.

Nice clamps!
As you mentioned Promat: Any ideas where the Promat toolboxes come from? Some of them remind me of Tecnolam.

Chreese
 

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To all you Germans out there, I bought a pair of side cutter pliers yesterday at the local junk store. They are Durex brand made in Germany. They appear to be very old, maybe pre WWII. Any of you familiar with this brand?
 

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@superautobacs:
Do you know what suekage writes about Facom,Hazet + Stahlwille on this page ??
Something about the finish ?


thanx !!! Here something about knipex + channellock.... :D http://www.suekage.co.jp/webmag/vol_8/index.htm

OK, here's the part on finishing:
*note that I've added my opinions as well, wherever I saw fit.

Yes, it's talking about the production process, more specifically, about the finishing processes.

Two categories exists:
-mirror polish (showy, gaudy, flashy ie. American style )
-fruit skin finish (tastefully cool, refined masculinity ie. European flavour )
They both have their pros and cons from the objective point of view:
-former is slippery when greasy, but cleans really easily
-latter provides better grip when greasy, but doesn't clean as easily.

It talks about how the two different finishes are acheived through different processing methods: buffing/vibratory barrel versus shot blasted/peened.

Japanese tool makers used to finish tools like the Europeans did, but since the onslaught of mirror finished American tools, they too have converted their processing to include more mirror polished tools. Facom, after the takeover from Stanley, have also reintroduced their lineup with all the flash.

The fruit skin finish is still well representated by Hazet and Stahlwille.

Looking at the safety aspect, using a greasy mirror-finished tool under high loads poses a greater threat for personal injury through accidental slips.
Snap-on has been the quentissential mirror finished tool-maker and apparently their flashy tools was not overly favoured when introduced into the European market. Snap-on's Eurotools division has since introduced a line for the European market to address this difference.

That's pretty much the gist of the finishing talk. Up above, it talked about point-drive style and corner-drive style sockets. In more common terms, the corner-drive style is synonymous with Snap-on's flank-drive style. The rest of the tool-makers, with the exception of Bonney's Loc-Rite, was almost exclusively point-drive style, until Snap-on's patent expired in the 80's.

Since the patent expiry, every tool maker has jumped on the bandwagon, producing some form of corner-drive style sockets and wrenches. Looks can be deceiving, however; not all are equally made in dimensions.

Low quality corner-drive tools may look appealing, giving you the sense that you're buying a modern, fastener-friendly tools, but it may actually be worse than a good quality point-drive style that has tighter tolerances and makes greater contact with the fastener itself. Hazet and a few select others are the only ones still producing point-drive tools. They haven't jumped onto the bandwagon; they can produce quality wrenches and sockets that offer great fit at close tolerances.
 
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@chreese:
If you want to save you some money then go buy them - the Gedore dude said they are good :) In fact the Carolus company (before they were bought by Gedore) also sold imported sockets from Japan (before prices went up - they`re now from china) made by a company called "Dia Seiko". My preference you can read above :) (and 40 bucks more in sockets in the next 40 yrs. i have to live equals 1 buck per year :D that`s cheap)
There are 26 Hazet dealers in Austria Klick. I would check out "Stahlgruber" they also carrry koken ( a bit). Even "Förch" is listed... like i said ...everywhere.... :D ;)
Stahlwille even has their own subsidiary in Austria:
STAHLWILLE Werkzeugvertriebsges.m.b.H
Wagramer Straße 201
1210 Wien
Tel.: +43-1/616-7-616
Fax.: +43-1/616-7-555
So they should have plenty of dealers too.
Maybe Gedore is preferred since they also have a factory in Austria ?? local patriotism ? :)

6pt vs- 12 point. There are 12 point bolts out there so you need them.

Never saw the Promat boxes live maybe they have a "made in italy" sticker somewhere ? I would check them out before you buy - how are the sliders ? sheet metal gauge ? "wobble" of the drawers ? etc. The Promat dealer here had some Gedore boxes.... Another dealer had the stainless steel Tecnoclam box which looked nice and seems to be a quality item.


@stricht8:
Couldn`t find any info about Durex tools, the patent research and trademark research also showed nothing about Durex tools. Sorry. Only Durex condoms, writing paper , radiographic films etc...


@superautobacs:
many thanks for the translation !!! fruit skin finish ...hahaha :D :D tastefully cool, refined masculinity :D :)
Hazet and a few select others are the only ones still producing point-drive tools. They haven't jumped onto the bandwagon; they can produce quality wrenches and sockets that offer great fit at close tolerances.

The japanese obviously know what`s quality :D ;) I agree with their observations :)

ps: so "SEK" brand tools are made in japan and "Pro Auto" import ?? or....?
they have lots of infos on their site, just looked at everything :)

ps:
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Monte, thanks for researching the brand! They are a handsome plier and very well made so I'm surprised that there is no info on that company. I haven't been able to find anything either.
 

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...In fact the Carolus company (before they were bought by Gedore) also sold imported sockets from Japan (before prices went up - they`re now from china) made by a company called "Dia Seiko".

You know what, somewhere, sometime ago, I read that Dia Seiko (TOUGH) holds patents for some Carolus products, but I don't remember exactly what (ratchets?).

many thanks for the translation !!! fruit skin finish ...hahaha :D :D tastefully cool, refined masculinity :D :)

I had fun coming up with those phrases and there's no direct translation for the Japanese words describing the finish. :)


ps: so "SEK" brand tools are made in japan and "Pro Auto" import ?? or....?
they have lots of infos on their site, just looked at everything :)

Yeah, Pro Auto, AFAIK is their import line.
I'll take a closer look at their literature tomorrow. :)

PS. the socket is a non-Unit-Drive Gedore right?
 

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Garfunkle24,

I just purchased the same Rennsteig screw extractor set you own from Amazon. Does the screw extractor set come with instructions on pairing a metric or fractional drill bit with the appropriate numbered screw extractor? If not, based on your experience, can you please specify which metric or fractional drill bit should be paired with the corresponding numbered screw extractor?


Thanks,

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@superautobacs:
The former Carolus employee to whom i spoke with said that the (flex head) ratchets were from Taiwan (The ratchet head) and from Germany (the handle - made by Gedore also before they owned the carolus company). So maybe the patent was for "Nut Grip" sockets which were once offered by Carolus similar to the Koken version but with a "band" around the socket like on bit holders instead of a "wire" like the Koken ones (iirc). Couldn`t find a original pic but you get the idea:

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Carolus "Rastoflex" . Other versions are "Conterflex" and "Readyflex"

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I like the translation !! Fruit skin ! :)

Yes the socket is a old school non unit/flank drive socket. Just 6 straight flats.
The newer ones look like this:

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old one:

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I also have a couple of Hazet impact sockets which are still made the old fashioned way without "cut away corners".



@Dave:
Here are the recommendations by Rennsteig: click
 
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@Dave:
Here are the recommendations by Rennsteig (used Google Toolbar Internet Explorer add-on to translate page): http://www.rennsteig.com/Katalog/04/05/p.html
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Monte,

Thanks for answering my question (posed to Garfunkle24) about pairing the appropriate size Rennsteig screw extractor with the corresponding metric drill bit. I appreciate it!


Dave
 
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superautobacs

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@Monte,

I still like that Rastoflex of yours!
Ok, maybe it's the nut-grip socket then (?)....you know, I recall seeing a picture of that Ko-ken-like socket on a European tool brand...I just can't remember which brand it was. :( ....it's bugging me now. :D

Gedore socket...
even the new profile looks good. I think they studied the profile and did their homework. :D Have you noticed how some brands (cheap ones especially) have very well "sculpted" corners, with sharp edges? I try to stay away from them.
 

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@superautobacs:
The former Carolus employee to whom i spoke with said that the (flex head) ratchets were from Taiwan (The ratchet head) and from Germany (the handle - made by Gedore also before they owned the carolus company). So maybe the patent was for "Nut Grip" sockets which were once offered by Carolus similar to the Koken version but with a "band" around the socket like on bit holders instead of a "wire" like the Koken ones (iirc). Couldn`t find a original pic but you get the idea:

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Carolus "Rastoflex" . Other versions are "Conterflex" and "Readyflex"

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I like the translation !! Fruit skin ! :)

Yes the socket is a old school non unit/flank drive socket. Just 6 straight flats.
The newer ones look like this:

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old one:

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I also have a couple of Hazet impact sockets which are still made the old fashioned way without "cut away corners".



@Dave:
Here are the recommendations by Rennsteig: click

Is it me,, or is the sq dr not centered on those sockets??:headscrat
 

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@Monte,

I still like that Rastoflex of yours!
Ok, maybe it's the nut-grip socket then (?)....you know, I recall seeing a picture of that Ko-ken-like socket on a European tool brand...I just can't remember which brand it was. :( ....it's bugging me now. :D

Gedore socket...
even the new profile looks good. I think they studied the profile and did their homework. :D Have you noticed how some brands (cheap ones especially) have very well "sculpted" corners, with sharp edges? I try to stay away from them.

BETA do the same bit holder in 1/4, 3/8 & 1/2" drive (made by Ko-ken)
bit holder.jpg
 
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