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Cool helmet and Made in Sweden to boot.
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I have a technical question about drop forging, specifically pertaining to Stahlwille wrenches of the 1980s. Double ring Stahlwille Stabil in a recent online purchase of NOS exhibit quite rough forging and often poorly struck (faint) lettering. That attached shows misaligned letters and "Germany" appears to be double-struck. Were tool dies with combined lettering used in a single forging, or were separate lettering dies applied later in the process?
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Here you can see how they are forged. It seems the lettering is added in the 3rd strike with the hammer.
















Felco spare parts (just in case...)

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Metabo KGSM 216 Vario Max mitre saw

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I have the same saw in 18V. Have to admit, somewhat skeptical when I un-boxed it and shoved a battery into it..Looks like a toy, sounds like a toy...put it to work, absolutely not a toy. Battery life is excellent even with reasonably heavy usage, and for 85% of what I need a compound mitre saw for, its fit for purpose (mostly just depth of cut through angles that force me to go to the big corded saw), and its a lot more portable than my AC powered unit.
 

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Cleaning out my farm shed the other day I found an Amme, Giesecke & Konegen AG Braunschweig 42/38 mm double open-ended wrench. Seems AGK AG manufactured grain mills between 1895 and 1925, so guess the wrench was for adjustments. I've never seen a pre-WW2 metric wrench in Australia (which used imperial measures until 1970).

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I have a technical question about drop forging, specifically pertaining to Stahlwille wrenches of the 1980s. Double ring Stahlwille Stabil in a recent online purchase of NOS exhibit quite rough forging and often poorly struck (faint) lettering. That attached shows misaligned letters and "Germany" appears to be double-struck. Were tool dies with combined lettering used in a single forging, or were separate lettering dies applied later in the process?
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The current wrenches say GERMANY, not made in. Wrenches in the 1980s would surely of had the forging WEST GERMANY ?

Do you have some more photos, they could be fakes ?
 

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The current wrenches say GERMANY, not made in. Wrenches in the 1980s would surely of had the forging WEST GERMANY ?

Do you have some more photos, they could be fakes ?

I've never seen "West Germany" as COO on Stahlwille. Has fake Stahlwille manufacture been confirmed? Cutting dies, forging and finishing is not a trivial exercise, so wouldn't counterfeiters copy something more lucrative than 40 year old wrenches?
 
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Thanks, Monte. So I guess the billet slightly moved in relation to the die blocks between strikes
Quite possible. Or if the letters are not readable maybe dirt clogged the die ?
I have the same saw in 18V. Have to admit, somewhat skeptical when I un-boxed it and shoved a battery into it..Looks like a toy, sounds like a toy...put it to work, absolutely not a toy. Battery life is excellent even with reasonably heavy usage, and for 85% of what I need a compound mitre saw for, its fit for purpose (mostly just depth of cut through angles that force me to go to the big corded saw), and its a lot more portable than my AC powered unit.
I think for the price it will be difficult to find better miter saws than Metabo...And they make a saw for every task and budget.
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Wiha 13mm t-handle socket wrench

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mmmmhhh delicious tools :drool::thumbup:

I don't remember COO of the cordless drill, but it was made by DeWalt. It can be either China or Czech Republic. I also don't remember COO of the digital welder. Perhaps the invoice could refresh my memory, but I made this supply about one year ago :headscrat

Anyhow, pliers, sockets and screwdrivers are made in France.
 
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The current wrenches say GERMANY, not made in. Wrenches in the 1980s would surely of had the forging WEST GERMANY ?

Do you have some more photos, they could be fakes ?

I was wondering that?

I have quite a few Stahlwille wrenches, and while they are not 'mirror finished' part of the reason for that is that they are very well forged in the first place. Stahlwille are vey good at this!

I have never seen anything as rough as that from Stahlwille, even on older tools, so I'm suspicious!

A few years back there was a lot of fake Hazet bring punted in the U.K. Hazet actually posted a warning on their website. Fake Stahlwille wouldn't surprise me either, but the real stuff has a very distinctive feel, from the alloy they use, the shape, and the finish. I doubt fakes would fool anybody who had used the genuine item!
 

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I was wondering that?

I have quite a few Stahlwille wrenches, and while they are not 'mirror finished' part of the reason for that is that they are very well forged in the first place. Stahlwille are vey good at this!

I have never seen anything as rough as that from Stahlwille, even on older tools, so I'm suspicious!

A few years back there was a lot of fake Hazet bring punted in the U.K. Hazet actually posted a warning on their website. Fake Stahlwille wouldn't surprise me either, but the real stuff has a very distinctive feel, from the alloy they use, the shape, and the finish. I doubt fakes would fool anybody who had used the genuine item!

I've got close to 100 Stahlwille wrenches dating from the 1950s to present and the quality of the forging and finishing has markedly improved over time. The forging on this purchase is about on par with the earliest and worse than the level of quality attained by the 1970s. Maybe they've been old stock for a very long time. They are also stamped "ALLOY STEEL" rather than the later "CHROME ALLOY STEEL"
 

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I've got close to 100 Stahlwille wrenches dating from the 1950s to present and the quality of the forging and finishing has markedly improved over time. The forging on this purchase is about on par with the earliest and worse than the level of quality attained by the 1970s. Maybe they've been old stock for a very long time. They are also stamped "ALLOY STEEL" rather than the later "CHROME ALLOY STEEL"

What do you make of these ?

 

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I've never seen "West Germany" as COO on Stahlwille. Has fake Stahlwille manufacture been confirmed? Cutting dies, forging and finishing is not a trivial exercise, so wouldn't counterfeiters copy something more lucrative than 40 year old wrenches?

The Chinese were knocking off Hazet in the 1980s. There is also the possibility of seconds entering the market. I've got an old Elora wrench made in Germany for Draper that is laughable bad.
 

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The Chinese were knocking off Hazet in the 1980s. There is also the possibility of seconds entering the market. I've got an old Elora wrench made in Germany for Draper that is laughable bad.

I have some Stahlwille stuff with engraved "S" on them, I believe they were discontinued items or seconds, price was good anyway.
I have used some of those Elora Draper spanners, they were actually fine although the finish was awful, certainly a better tool than current Draper offerings.
 

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I have some Stahlwille stuff with engraved "S" on them, I believe they were discontinued items or seconds, price was good anyway.
I have used some of those Elora Draper spanners, they were actually fine although the finish was awful, certainly a better tool than current Draper offerings.

No worries with the engraved 'S' it means discontinued. I've got a set of these and they are very good and so is the price...

http://www.onlyqualitytools.com/catalog/Stahlwille/47S.html

Back in the 1990' I bought an Elora 32mm wrench to undo BMW fan-nuts.
One of the few things stashed in my garage that hasn't shown signs of rust...
 

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I just had a look at a set of Stahlwille open box 14 wrenches I bought from TBS a couple of years ago.They do indeed say 'made in Germany' on them.

The set of doppelringschlussel 20 ring wrenches bought at the same time just say 'Germany' although the box they come in says 'made in Germany' :drunk:
 

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Just few pics of yellow&black tools from the warehouse :D

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Hello Cynical huckster,

There are some very interesting tool brands here. Would it be possible to state the COO of these brands at the time of posting?

Just because we are in GJ and you may get some clients as well:)
 

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Hello Cynical huckster,

There are some very interesting tool brands here. Would it be possible to state the COO of these brands at the time of posting?

Just because we are in GJ and you may get some clients as well:)

Hello losvre!

Unfortunately our company doesn't have an export license. But I signed an agency agreement with Krino, so I can sell Krino, LTI and INECO tools directly from the manufacturer.
 
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Soldering Station's aren't worth $500, but an anti-static digital welder
just might be....
Some are, and there are others that go for a LOT more. Think different handpieces for specific tasks such as a micro iron for working under a microscope, macro iron for huge connectors (i.e. 150 - 200W), SMD tweezers, desoldering tool, or hot air pencil, combined with base units can contain multiple ports for operating more than a single tool at a time. :wtf:

Here's one such example. Oh, and this setup sells for $3468 (here). :p
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Just depends on what you're doing and if it's for occasional use or if it's used all day every day (i.e. fix the coffee maker vs. earning a living).
 

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Unnoticed by me Facom introduced a new type of palm control ratchet the S.161

Anyone used one ?

 

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Unnoticed by me Facom introduced a new type of palm control ratchet the S.161

Anyone used one ?


This ratchet was designed and developed by USAG in Italy last year as the 237A series....available in 1/4, 3/8/ 1/2 and 3/4" drives. It is offered as a 161B ratchet by Facom as a replacement for their older round head palm control ratchets.

Hopefully this new series will not be prone to the dried grease problems of the older 161 ratchets that caused the ratchets to slip or seize if not maintained/lubricated properly. SD
 
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