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Yet another step to find a "better" locking plier.

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That reminds me of the old Belzer but obviously modified design.

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There's a nice little comparison video of the old Facom 501 and new on the tube. [Turn on English subtitles].

I'm no expert on these, but they seem nicer than the lock pliers made by Bollmann in Germany and sold to Knipex and lots of other well known tool companies.


https://www.facom.com/uk/products/500A-Series-Description.html
 

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This is interesting...

(AvE's language is ****)

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Those are the flexible ones, the standard ones must be cheaper. I wonder when I can get the standard ones with steel handle.

Yet another step to find a "better" locking plier.

Maybe try Dolex. Cheaper than Facom.

http://www.dolex.fr/resultrecherche.aspx?fam=5&gamme=&ouv=
 

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Where did you purchase this set or from what site?

Was it worth the $ and cost of shipping?

Had a friend get it and a few other things to me while hes in Europe. Ran about $90 + shipping. ultimategarage lists it for about $110. It will make a nice little emergency kit.
 

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Looks like this is going to cost way more than I can rationalise spending on a tool that I would infrequently use.

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I don't fully understand the use of the Speede? On the youtube vids it looks very slow. I also assume it has very low torque or it would be hard to hold on to.

Currently using one of these at work after the makita version died.

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It provides variable speed and variable torque to be gentle enough for laptop screws and high enough torque to screw into hard wood. Also cheaper than a speede. I don't know how the Speede can compete or if it's even trying too.

Still very intrigued though and want to have a play.
 
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Here is a Swiss gem of a masterpiece I forgot I even owned, a Compac Geneve Type 555A dial indicator in .0001" resolution.

One of the absolute silkiest dial indicators I've ever had the privilege of getting my hands on. Built like the proverbial brick *********.

Unfortunately it has been a while since I needed a dial indicator in .0001" resolution, and I would say it doesn't even qualify as an infrequently used tool in that regard...Akin to having an expensive luxury sports car you only drive on special occasions.

Also pictured, a Keuffel + Esser no. 1741 Swiss-made map measure graduated in cm & inch. Usually a drawer ornament, but this one, too, has proven itself worthy of keeping.
 

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Yet another step to find a "better" locking plier.

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WOW!!! Those are the nicest looking vide-grips I've ever seen! Have you actually used them? I am fortunate enough to own genuine Peterson made vice-grips and Made in England "mole grips" but those look like best I've ever seen! They look incredibly well engineered and aesthetically pleasing &#55357;&#56861; Will post pictures of mine tomorrow
 

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Snagged a few OW tools this week. A Wiha 5.5mm hex driver and unknown mini-needle nose plier.
The plier has nice fitting, equally-machined tips which is rare among most needle nose - especially small ones.
 

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Snagged a few OW tools this week. A Wiha 5.5mm hex driver and unknown mini-needle nose plier.
The plier has nice fitting, equally-machined tips which is rare among most needle nose - especially small ones.

Have you tried drilling into that Wiha handle to get more shaft length adjustment? One of the KC Tools reviews mentions doing so, but I've not gotten around it to it on mine.
 
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One of the greatest threads I've ever read!

Unfortunately many of the photos hosted for free on Photobucket, rather than on-site, disappeared when the new owners started demanding payments. It's a shame because numerous forums now feel they are gutted out. In a 100 years time I wonder if there will be many photos around that show we ever existed :confused:
 

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Unfortunately many of the photos hosted for free on Photobucket, rather than on-site, disappeared when the new owners started demanding payments. It's a shame because numerous forums now feel they are gutted out. In a 100 years time I wonder if there will be many photos around that show we ever existed :confused:


Sorry, going off topic a bit here but there are various Chrome plugins that bring photobucket images back. Maybe also available for other browsers.
 

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Starting to teach myself Photoshop. Still have a very long way to go.:lol:

Funny that you bring that up.....I was at that aquarium last year!!
and I think they were exhibiting those newly found species of sharks. :D












A couple new tools I got:

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The hog-ring pliers are just really well finished. The mechanics gripper pliers are
pretty standard in terms of fit and finish. The joint is overly stiff, but the cross-hatching on the business ends are superb compared to the cheapy Chinese versions.


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Compared with the generic version....the differences are self-evident!


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The joint is overly stiff, but the cross-hatching on the business ends are superb compared to the cheapy Chinese versions.
Whenever I get a new tool with a stiff joint, I use some 3-IN-ONE PTFE (Teflon™) lubricant. I'm no oil expert, but this product has worked quite well in this and other household-type light oil applications.

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i wonder if the impact really can generate 400 NM...
sorry i don´t know about coo. But Ultimategarage carries them maybe he knows.















Finally received the other Koken bit holder for short bits: #14142-D6.3


14142-F6.3 for long bits and 14142-D6.3 for short bits


14142-D6.3 takes long bits too though:

Monte,

Do the long bits lock into the D6.3 holder? Do you know of a chrome or non impact rated holder that will hold both short and long bits?
 
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About a hundred dealers in all regions. However, Metabo is not too popular on the Ukrainian market. There are problems with service and spare parts availability. Moreover, if you make an order for Metabo, you must confirm it at least twice. It's much easier to deal with Bosch and DeWalt.
Maybe better in the future since they belong to Hitachi since a while ? At least in Russia i think the japanese are strong ?

@Monte or Decaf
Can you recommend me copper wire for wiring my Mercedes? :D
for example:
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https://www.leoni.com/en/
www.aivkabelwerk.de
http://www.balzer-kabel.de/en/index.php
https://bkw-kabel.de/en/8-category-en-gb/22-home
http://www.kwlz.de/
http://www.voka.de/english/hauptnavigation.html

Monte,

Do the long bits lock into the D6.3 holder? Do you know of a chrome or non impact rated holder that will hold both short and long bits?
yes they lock.
How about this ?
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It took him almost an hour for 5,6 holes in thin aluminium
"in" or "through" ? :) (into the paving stone) :)














News from Bessey: GearKlamp


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Has anyone found any more pics and info on the new Gedore pliers wrench ?
 

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Maybe better in the future since they belong to Hitachi since a while ? At least in Russia i think the japanese are strong ?

Speaking of Japanese power tools, Makita is really strong. Spare parts are affordable and inexpensive, there are a lot of service centers. But we have a completely different situation with Hitachi. A lot of spare parts are unavailable, sometimes you have to wait for a couple of months. Moreover, their service is terrible. I'm talking about Ukraine now, but in Russia they have a very similar situation.

SAM clic flange clamp pliers.

 

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A few pairs of Knipex I just got in yesterday. e6d9352456f8244c8f3034b361206ed5.jpg

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Speaking of Japanese power tools, Makita is really strong. Spare parts are affordable and inexpensive, there are a lot of service centers.
I was thinking about Makita recently. I concluded they are probably under-rated as a manufacturer, probably because they don't do the same amount of marketing as other makes. And power tools are their sole focus (as far as I know). Compare that to DeWalt, Bosch, Milwaukee, Ryobi, Panasonic, Hitachi / Metabo, etc, which are divisions of conglomerates, in many case just brand names from the past, far removed from their heritage. Perhaps this explains Makita's good performance in service and spares - it's essential to their business model, rather than something that's of no interest to a company devoted to making cheap disposable products, or something that gets lost in the midst other more profitable activities.

I reckon the only other comparable companies are the european high-end makes - Festool, Hilti, Fein, Mafell. Interesting.

What do others think? Am I on the right lines? Should I sell my 12-odd Bosch tools and buy Makita? :)
 

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I was thinking about Makita recently. I concluded they are probably under-rated as a manufacturer, probably because they don't do the same amount of marketing as other makes.

Makita produces a separate product range for each country in which their products are sold. Moreover, they update their catalogue almost every year. Some people consider this an advantage, but I think this is a problem. If I was you, I wouldn't replace Bosch by Makita, but it's you to decide.
 

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I got this 10 liter gas can from my mom's home. It's from Soviet Union, ~ 30 years old, in aluminium and very thick, unused, very good condition. I have tested it with water, no leakage.

The russian text means "for fuel and oil"
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That's a tough looking can presumably designed for cold weather use ?

It's based on the much copied German WW2 design but without the thin steel.
 
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