Tools from the old world

[Kasal]

Thanks for the heads up maico. The Grip-ons are much less rattly than other locking pliers.

They could put the measure in centimeters of those tools, they are tempting me a lot for the quality and the price, but I am afraid that they are too small.

 

[Tomasz_W-wa]

modifier73
Very nice HAZET hammers

 

[mr.lemons]

They could put the measure in centimeters of those tools, they are tempting me a lot for the quality and the price, but I am afraid that they are too small.

Waterpump pliers 250mm
Adjustable 200mm
Locking pliers 230mm

 

[Kasal]

Waterpump pliers 250mm
Adjustable 200mm
Locking pliers 230mm

Thank you very much, order placed

 

[Ratchet.]

Facom S.161B arrived today. Was looking for a repair kit for my S.161. Repair kit was £17, new ratchet was £26 so went for it.

*snip*

Nice looking ratchet.. been picking up a bunch of new Facom stuff recently as my mac tools dealer also sells Facom (and a few other makes) most isn't marked with Coo but i believe a lot is still made in France, will get some pics soon, love the plastic cases a lot of them come in. I do wish they did ratchets with hard plastic or chrome handles though (not a fan of rubberized handles on any tools...)



On the topic of ratchets, got a couple of new (to me) circa 1980s hard 3/8" drive ones recently, doubling my collection of 80s euro ratchets..

I guess hard black plastic handles were in vogue in the 80s.. wish they still were

from back to front:

Hazet 8816f had this one for a while now,

Elora 870-1-P I have a half inch drive version of this somewhere too, which interestingly has a female drive square as well as the usual male.

Acesa no 712, oddly they use the same model number for the 1/2" version which is seemingly more common.

Sandvik Belzer 7750, very nicely made ratchet, and looks to have barely been used. Belzer seem to be one of the few German tool companies that made tools with fully mirror polished chrome, wonder what the reasoning was as satin finished stuff is way more common in Europe.

These seem to get listed for silly money on eBay like £80+ for some reason, I picked this one up for a fraction of that.

 

[Ratchet.]

Yes, very good. Up there with the very best!

Probably 70% of my pliers are Elliott Lucas.

They’re still made, but the range is a fraction of what it was, and the quality has rapidly detiorated since the early 90’s!

Those particular ones look much older. Is the dip coating on the handles original?

Since the 50’s the common handles were a dark red dip coating, thicker black rubber, or plain. Before that, mostly plain!

Edit : Just had a look on eBay, and there’s definitely something a bit fishy about the handles on those. It’s a colour I’ve never seen before, and it suddenly appears on pliers of varying vintage, all being sold by the same vendor! Also, the dipping isn’t really to Elliott Lucas quality, and if you search eBay you will also find Wilkinson’s pliers with the same handles, sold by the same vendor!

So, if you fancy some Elliott Lucas pliers, go for it, but be wary of these! They may be ‘old stock’, but there doesn’t seem to be anything ‘new’ about them!

You can get new 6 inch combination pliers, still in the packing, if you search!

yeah the coating looks a bit off on those.. they also have the broad arrow stamped on them indicating old MOD supply, so the vendor likely has bought them as surplus, and dipped the handles.. for some reason or other

 

[hautpot]

Nice looking grey AC hydraulic floor jack:

 

[cluca1969]

A good movie Stahlwille Socket Set Restoration:

 

[Monte]

Nice pruning saw

My new lawn mower from Honda, HRX 537 HYE

Thanks
btw. nice Honda mower

Thanks Monte,

I thought there was some secret powers in the ARS☺.

I am seeing a lot of Wolf and Gardena in Belgium as well. I have noticed that almost all construction is plastic nowadays and I was wondering if they are strong/ reliable.

Have a good day

which type of tool do you mean ? Hand tools/exchangeable tools ? loppers ? The Wolf system is around since 36 years. Gardena since 42 years. I think they didn´t change that much. Fiskars looks at bit more fragile i think.














Bosch AXT 25 TC "Turbine Cut" shredder

control panel

funnel can be removed and stored inside the container

hollow cutting wheel can be easily accessed when funnel is removed

before

after

 

[superautobacs]

Hi monte,

Are you going to start a landscaping/arborist business.

 

[Beenman]

Here's an updated list I've compiled of companies currently making vises in Europe and the US.
The list excludes rebrands, for example Hazet sell a model made by Kanca and Facom by FZA.

In no particular order we have;

1) FZA in Italy. They offer models made of forged steel, cast Iron or cast steel. The also now make Leinen vises
http://www.fza-morsificio.com/fza.htm

2) GRESSEL in Switzerland
http://www.gressel.ch/storage/brochures/20_AX_PS.pdf

3) RIDGID-Peddinghaus. Steel drop forged in Germany. Some parts from Kanca

4) Brockhaus HEUER. Long established family company. Drop forged steel made in Germany since the 1920s. Available from numerous outlets online so I guess the largest Western manufacturer. The smaller vises are good value in the EU. I own the 125mm and 160mm versions.
https://www.heuer.de/en/vices/vice/

5) DOLEX. Forged in France.
https://www.dolex.fr/en/

6) PENN stahlgeschmiedet Austria
http://www.penn.at/stahlgeschmiedet/produkte/schraubstock/

7) YORK. Made in the Czech Republic. Their pre-war 1936 model is what the later US Wilton bullet design was based on
http://www.york.cz/en/workshop-bench-vices-york-text

8) KUPPER. Made in Germany. Their cheaper non-forged line is cheaper than some Chinese made brands. https://www.friedrich-kuepper.de/pro...&no_children=1

9) KANCA made in Turkey.Their forged steel vices are similar to Heuer and Peddinghaus. Also an interesting blacksmiths vice is available. Pdf catalogue here:
http://www.kanca.com.tr/download/pdf/ElAletleri_EN.pdf

10) BISON made in Poland
http://www.bison-bial.com/vises/bench-vises

11) SCHLEGEL made in Germany up until circa 2010. Some NOS still around. Design similar to Leinen. High quality cast.

12) WILTON. Only high end models US made. Interesting this small one looks like it was sourced from York according to the COO
https://www.zoro.com/wilton-portable...specifications

13) REED. The big ones are made in the US
https://www.reedmfgco.com/en/product...nd-pipe-vises/

14) YOST. Mid-price forged steel model is made in Taiwan. The large industrial grade models are possibly still US made ? ?
http://www.yostvises.com/products.html

15) MORGAN traditional US made vises
http://www.milwtool.com/v_mach.htm

16) SWINDENS made in England since 1928. Excellent Swivel jaw designs. MOD, Car industry and Government supplier.
http://www.swindens.org/our-products/4593157800

17) BERGEON small Swiss made watchmakers vises. Expensive
https://www.hswalsh.com/product/berg...ch-vice-hv2021

18) UNIOR Slovenian made.
http://www.uniortools.com/cgi-bin/cms.cgi?doc=10780&prod=128663

19) VIROVITICA made in Croatia
http://www.rsmetali.hr/en/skripac-pa...1-0&state=7tw2

http://www.rsmetali.hr/en/about-us.aspx

Very interesting list. Thanks Maico.

 

[maico]

I've had my Honda powered mower for 10 years now without any problems. Change the oil every 2 years with fully synthetic and use fresh fuel after the winter lay-off.

Don't over-cut the grass but let wild flowers seed which encourages all sorts of wildlife into the garden.

I've always assumed from the label it was made in Japan ? ?

 

[jimmyin3D]

if you're in england probably france.

 

[maico]

Larger machines are often assembled in the territory of sale to reduce shipping and import tariffs so EU assembly is likely.

Some bad news, the current widely use GXV 160 Honda engine has a COO of China.
The Mower Japan.

http://www.kaaz.co.jp/Kaaz EX Home page/EX_LM_list_Products_Spec_LM5360HXA.html

 

[Monte]

So Kaaz makes Honda garden products ?

Hi monte,

Are you going to start a landscaping/arborist business.

Part time And only for the neighbours Adds some pocket money















Wolf Garten scuffle hoe

 

[upgrading]

Ruthe hammers made in what country ?

I know Picard owns them.

 

[maico]

I would also add Spanish FORZA.
https://www.mordazas.es

Thanks. It was really a list bench vises rather than specialist machinists ones. I couldn't see any ?

I've found another Italian make plus some updated links I'll add later.

I gave up on the Japanese made vise list. There are numerous makers that don't export and don't have websites !

 

[maico]

Ruthe hammers made in what country ?

I know Picard owns them.

Looking at the Ruthe reviews on amazon.de the quality is uneven. German made Picards must be worth the extra coin.

I picked up this Picard recently there for 12 euros. The quality and performance seem the same as my Gedores.

The head fixing looks a mess though. The Gedore Rotbands use a Spax screw through the top plate and collet. Neat. The Picard a large screw that splinters the end of the hickory.
Secure no doubt but painting splintered wood black

 

[scubadoober]

I picked this up off ebay (pretty cheap). The 17mm looks to have been used once, and the 19mm is pristine. I am really digging the feel and finish of this style. I may just forgo the Stahlewille 14 set and get several of these instead. Smoother finish than the Hazet and finish sanding on the box ends are much better than the Hazet.

 

[Cynical huckster]

Thanks. It was really a list bench vises rather than specialist machinists ones. I couldn't see any ?

I've found another Italian make plus some updated links I'll add later.

I gave up on the Japanese made vise list. There are numerous makers that don't export and don't have websites !

Well, Forza makes bench vises too, but just a couple of references.

P.S. Sorry, I accidentally deleted the previous post. I tried to edit it, but pressed the wrong button

 

[hautpot]

Got my kukko wiper arm tool in and some handles for the terminal release tool.

 

[losvre]

Looking at the reviews on amazon.de the quality is uneven. German made Picards must be worth the extra coin.

I picked up this Picard recently there for 12 euros. The quality and performance seem the same as my Gedores.

The head fixing looks a mess though. The Gedore Rotbands use a Spax screw through the top plate and wedge. Neat. The Picard a large screw that splinters the end of the hickory.
Secure no doubt but painting splintered wood black

The Picard may look the same if the cap is removed.
The strength of the wood must be reduced by splitting it.

I have seen a video where they attaching handles on axes though and they avoid using steel inserts but they had another technique that I fail to remember this morning☺

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[maico]

The Picard may look the same if the cap is removed.
The strength of the wood must be reduced by splitting it.

I have seen a video where they attaching handles on axes though and they avoid using steel inserts but they had another technique that I fail to remember this morning☺

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My Ochsenkopf Rotband splitting maul (third image) uses the traditional wooden wedge with the addition of screw and top cap making it stronger

 

[maico]

Picard Securetec method. I think the splitting comes from drilling a countersunk hole at the top against the hickory grain. I doubt it makes any difference as the countersunk wedge bolt goes deep.

 

[losvre]

Picard Securetec method. I think the splitting comes from drilling a countersunk hole at the top against the hickory grain. I doubt it makes any difference the countersunk wedge bolt goes deep.

Assuming all other parameters stay the same I would expect any splitting of the wood to reduce the fatigue life of the handle.

On the photos of axe the force is related to the slippage of the handle not strength.

The Picard seems to use an extension like steel pipe through the handle which would obviously protect and strengthen the handle.

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[flyingkite]

When it comes to the Soviet tools, there are two options. Tools just will do their job for a long time, or they can break down right in your hands. In any case, when we talk about Soviet tools, we often mean bad ergonomics and poor finish.

It depends my friend, Soviet Union produced rock solid tools as well.

 

[JBH]

Does anyone know who makes the Gedore SL-series socket rails?

They're made in the USA.

I'm looking for some extra socket posts for mine.

 

[dutchgray]

Does anyone know who makes the Gedore SL-series socket rails?

They're made in the USA.

I'm looking for some extra socket posts for mine.

Mechanics time savers I think
https://www.mechanicstimesavers.com/Lock-A-Socket.html
Look the same as far as I can tell.

 

[maico]

Assuming all other parameters stay the same I would expect any splitting of the wood to reduce the fatigue life of the handle.

On the photos of axe the force is related to the slippage of the handle not strength.

The Picard seems to use an extension like steel pipe through the handle which would obviously protect and strengthen the handle.

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The metal sleeve on the Gedore and Picard is primarily a strike protector. Identical on both.
The head attachment methods are to stop the head flying off IE. stronger than a traditional wedge.

 

[hautpot]

My friend converted me to Liqui-moly. I have used Mobil 1, Castrol, and Mercedes (mobil 1) before for my families' various vehicles. The bottles are really nice and so are the sticker reminder.

Acquired 25 litres recently.

 

[losvre]

The metal sleeve on the Gedore and Picard is primarily a strike protector. Identical on both.
The head attachment methods are to stop the head flying off IE. stronger than a traditional wedge.

Thanks Maico,

I thought the rotband was just a plastic sleeve just for impact protection.

It is definitely stronger than traditionally handle fitting however I would expect more vibrations to get passed to your arm?

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[Ganymedes]

Let me know how the tips hold up? Look like the Old made in France facom?


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Made by EGA, France, as is BOST

 

[maico]

Got this Metabo UHEV 2860-2 rotary hammer drill recently. 1100W made in Germany.

2 speed magnesium housing gearbox. Postion 1 for high torque low speed drilling, position 2 for high speed drilling and the usual hammer settings.

Variable electronic speed controls.

Comes with SDS-plus and standard quick chucks.

Handily the case can also carry a 4 or 5" grinder and other accessories.
Metabo WEV 10-125 vari speed grinder shown bellow.

Not cheap, but it certainly feels like a lot for your money. My grinder cost £109 gbp delivered and it came in a cardboard box ! The complete drill kit £153 (actually £128 as I reclaim the VAT) from Howe Tools Ltd.

Conrad, you asked about the warranty, it's 3 years if you register the item on Metabo's website.

 

[JBH]

Mechanics time savers I think

https://www.mechanicstimesavers.com/Lock-A-Socket.html

Look the same as far as I can tell.

Thanks! It ended up being cheaper to buy a rail to discard than to buy extra posts. It’s in the mail.

MTS doesn’t seem to offer the ratchet-square post that Gedore does, but I don’t need an extra so that’s fine.

 

[dutchgray]

Thanks! It ended up being cheaper to buy a rail to discard than to buy extra posts. It’s in the mail.

MTS doesn’t seem to offer the ratchet-square post that Gedore does, but I don’t need an extra so that’s fine.

Gedore may have had that made just for them, I don't know if MTS makes these, or if someone else does.

 

[maico]

Thanks Maico,

I thought the rotband was just a plastic sleeve just for impact protection.

It is definitely stronger than traditionally handle fitting however I would expect more vibrations to get passed to your arm?

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Can't say I noticed but these are engineers hammers, you're not going to be banging nails in all day with them. Hickory handles are the wood of choice.

Comparison of maul, mallet and hammer

 

[Reed Prince]

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[sljeme345]

Nice stuff!

Any coo? Just because we are GJ[emoji16]

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Thanks Losvre. As far as I remember, the box was written by UK. I take picture of box and label on mower.

Thanks
btw. nice Honda mower


Bosch AXT 25 TC "Turbine Cut" shredder

Thanks Monte, very nice shredder

I've had my Honda powered mower for 10 years now without any problems. Change the oil every 2 years with fully synthetic and use fresh fuel after the winter lay-off.

Don't over-cut the grass but let wild flowers seed which encourages all sorts of wildlife into the garden.

I've always assumed from the label it was made in Japan ? ?

Maico, you had excellent mower

 

[Monte]

Ruthe hammers made in what country ?

I know Picard owns them.

I don´t know but i guess they might be from a country called Asia

Thanks Monte, very nice shredder

Thanks













Gardena "The Gripper"

coo

gripping function

spike function. With a push on the button the orange part pushes the picked up trash down.

 

[maico]

Dawn make a range of vices in Australia including expensive stainless steel and offset.

http://www.dawntools.com.au/vices/Engineers-Offset-Vices-Cast/Engineer-Offset-Vices-Cast

http://www.dawntools.com.au/vices