Tools from the old world

[Monte]

@chreese:
Maybe you could contact Bessey and ask if they still have some of the Gross-Stabil clamps in stock ?
ps: "Lust" clamps belong to Bessey.
www.urbo-werkzeuge.de makes clamps, www.urko.com and www.piher.com too.Gedore (Le Tigre) would be another option.

or how about these "schutzkappenstreifen" ? maybe you can slip them over the clamp.

or different clamps ?

So how about this: You get the Gedore and I'll purchase the Weidmüller tool?

So how about this: You get the Gedore and purchase the Weidmüller tool too ... and you tell which is better...

Thanks. I asked one of my dealers (who carries Kukko) about the Turnus hook/pick set. He didn't know if he could get it. Another one - who sells Turnus clamps - emailed me that he couldn't order the set.

hm strange...maybe they dont want....
so i prolly would pick up the Witte set... if someone wants to order it for you...

interesting wrenches.... never saw glossy Gedore wrenches... the new "Chrom VI" free stuff ??

re: Unior
maybe i`ll order a couple of the punches with handle....after i checked if Rennsteig makes them The blue/grey fits good to my Gedore tools

unior:

Rennsteig:

ps: nice acetat handles !!!

 

[Monte]

@phang:
here my Assistent. Unfortunately only a sticker on my tool box

@phang: i mailed PB swiss yesterday about the 2 versions with/without knurling on the "Twister" but they didnt get it and replied there are 2 versions a long one and a short one ....

@chreese:
the part number of the new Witte Hook+Pick set is 691008

i found this pic again which Mitutoyo once sent me when i was asking where the micrometers are made (because of the low price). (Shiwa/Japan)

some flap discs from Lukas and Eisenblätter. (The brown supporting plate of the "Trimtex" disc is made out of hemp , the "SLTT" disc has a copper plated steel supporting plate)

"Uvex" goggles

and some pens a.k.a. "marking tools" or "writing tools" from Faber-castell, Schneider and Staedtler. All "made in Germany" of course

 

[Phang]

@Monte:

people in Bern should be able to read German, don't write to them in French when you email them about the twister knurling

 

[Mule]

Here is some of my European collection...

A bunch of Wera screwdrivers, my Hazet box, 1/2 Zyklop (taken when it was rather new), some Knipex pliers

 

[american lockpicker]

@Monte

Your lucky all the Staedtler stuff I see is made in China or the box will say "German precision" and the pencil says Made in Italy...

 

[superautobacs]

Lots of great stuff posted already for this new year...my eyes are going So much eye candy; so little money.

Some of you may remember me saying that I was going on a trip to Paris over the New Years holiday, and that I'd be checking out the tool stores in the city. Well, I'm back and would like to report on my tool shopping experience for any interested parties out there.

Not knowing the French language, finding out where the tool shops in Paris was no easy task, an excercise in patience. With the help from Google and Google.maps (you rock ) I was able to locate a few stores within the city that I can go to with public transportation (I didn't have access to a vehicle). I was a little uncertain whether I'd be able to find nice tools at these stores as all but one were small hardware stores (Mr. Bricolage, Bricolex, Bricozik). The only dedicated tool shop I was able to find was Marcouty so my hopes were high for this place.

I also found out that Paris is apparently home to Europe's largest and longest running flea market. I decided on one market (Porte de Clignancourt) and reserved a date for a visit.

I could write a whole lot, detailing my journey to each store, navigating through the metro (subway system in Paris), etc. ....but I'll probably bore you guys out, so I'll try to make this short(er)

I knew that Marcouty had Unior stuff so that was my first stop. Unfortunately, they were closed for the year-end (DOH, I shoulda called (even though I don't speak French ). I felt depressed heading back to my place, tool-less. I crossed my fingers that they'd be open in the first week of the new year.

I did some (no, LOTS) of sightseeing on foot, and stumbled across this woodworking shop. It was an old (great looking) shop. I decided to snap my first tool-related photo. I was happier. To be honest, it was a lot more interesting looking through the glass window of this shopthan it was to see the glory of the famous Notre-Dame Cathedral.

Lots of Bessey and Wolfcraft goodies.

I was able to look through a few of the local hardware (Home Depot style) stores and here's some things I gathered:
-hardware stores are small in Paris
-people don't own homes in Paris; they live in apartments = people don't have lots of space to store tools = people are less inclined to do DIY stuff = tool varieties are minimal.
-tools are expensive relative to what we pay for a similar item in North America.
-sockets and especially ratchets were not sold individually at most places. You had to buy a set that was mostly 1/4" drive.
-Store brand, Chinese made tools occupy the shelves just as much as WorkForce brand lines your local Home Depot.
-Facom is sold at Snap-on-like prices at one mom & pops type hardware store (Bricozik). Example: one 10" locking plier for 100 Euro
-most Bosch electric tools are made in Hungary.
-seeing Stanley tools doesn't seem to affect me as they do when I see them back home.

Some photos that I managed to snap:

MOB Talbot rasps and files. Look at the Cogex (store brand) file handle; looks like Bahco Ergo handles The rubber felt filthy and smelled just as filthy:

From a different store with MOB chisels. You'll notice this store's home brand is "Tec hit"--they just reeked of quality all over. :

Here's some MOB/Peddinghaus Carbon series hammers:

I thought this board was pretty neat. I learned that Ega and Bost are closely related:

Bost was the most prominent brand for screwdrivers, with the economy line (orange handled ones) being the most stocked:

Hi-five product rebranded. First time for me to feel its ratcheting--better than most out there:

New year arrived and so I headed over to Marcouty:

I was greated by the owner who thankfully spoke the English language at the basic level. I love walking into family owned stores like this; the air just smells better. I was also greeted by a lot of Unior tools.

After talked to the gentleman I learned that the store is the only one of its kind left in Paris. The store is almost 50 years old and he himself wants to retire in a few years and close shop. He purchases tools from different brands at liquidation prices. There were a lot of Unior tools in boxes and they were being sold 50% off or even higher on some items.

Here's some photos of the place inside:

Those yellow boxes are all Unior tools. There were some Facom clamps in the background and they were being sold at about half price from the catalogue. They had some minor imperfections (cosmetic), but he says Facom has very strict standards and would not allow them to be sold in stores/distributed to dealers:

This rack was: "Purchase 10 tools for 15 Euros":

I walked out of the store fulfilled (with tool sightseeing)
Overall, I wasn't too impressed with Unior tools in the fit and finish so I wasn't really inspired to purchase a whole lot. In fact, I only purchased two Unior items.

Anyhow, here's everything that I purchased from the trip:

-Unior Star wrenches: 8/10mm and 12/14mm
-MOB Talbot file (rasp on front side/ single-cut file on back side)
-MOB Pedinghaus Electrician Hammer (180 grams)
-Facom Torx driver (my first Facom screwdriver and I love this handle )
-Facom angle socket wrenches (6,7,8,9mm) Oddly, the 6mm turned out to be a 7mm! The packaging says otherwise, so this must've been an error at the factory! So, I have two 7mm now. Oh well, 7mm is more common anyway.
-EGA hex drivers 2mm and 2.5mm (made in France)
-Bost spanner 8mm/9mm Nicely finished, beveled open ends. No "France" however
-Bost square reamer
-Urko chisel (found at a very small hardware store. Surprisingly l found Italian, wood handled Osca engineer hammers there)

 

[superautobacs]

@Monte

Your lucky all the Staedtler stuff I see is made in China or the box will say "German precision" and the pencil says Made in Italy...

I was talking to the owner of the Marcouty store that I went to in Paris about how Facom wrenches are now made in Taiwan. He was surprised to hear that, but he tells me that the Facom wrenches are still made in France for the French buyers.

The few open stock Facom wrenches I saw displayed at one store did say "France" on them. They could be NOS, before production commenced at Rotar, but the packaging on the wrenches lead to me to think they are relatively new.

 

[american lockpicker]

Thanks for those pictures. Its very interesting to see how they are packaged and displayed over there compared to here. I think I'll snap some pics of tool shops here for people that live around the world as our packaging is different(more clamshells).

 

[superautobacs]

american lockpicker, I thought you were located in the States?

Pics of tool shops--yes, I'd like to see some.

 

[american lockpicker]

american lockpicker, I thought you were located in the States?

Pics of tool shops--yes, I'd like to see some.

Yes I am in West Virginia.

 

[superautobacs]

Oh, I see what you mean now--north american tool shop pics for the rest of the world.



I forgot to mention about my trip to the flea market. I unfortunately had company (females) with me so I couldn't venture off on my own and spend the whole day at the market in tool-hunting mode. But within the short time I spent there, I ran across a few interest shops that are tool-related.

Here's a great look at some antique woodworking tools. Lots of interesting stuff in there:

I was flat-out denied after I questioned....."can I take this back home to Vancouver with us?" :

I think these went for around 300 Euros:

I did come across a booth that sold mechanics hand tools. It reminded me of the flea market over here, selling mostly cheapy Asian tools and just a handful of good stuff.
One of the first things I saw was a Facom locking plier clone. I thought: "I found you, ROUX!". I take it in my hands and notice right away that it was cheap knock-off! Poorly finished serrated jaws. I put them down and looked further. I saw some NOS Matador and Facom double open end spanner sets. They were cheap at like 18 Euros for a set of 7 or 8 wrenches.

Unfortunately, my company was getting a little restless with me, so I had to cut it short.

This market was HUGE! I'd definately go back again even if there're no tools to be found. It worth going just to gather the cool sights and sounds.

 

[Monte]

wow nice pics superautobacs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for the story !!!!!!!!
I`ll take the plane to Paris tomorrow ! j/k !
When i was in France i rather should have visited the flea market instead of Euro-Disneyland
It seems you enjoyed the trip ! Nice pics of the stores !! Did they say anything about taking photos inside the stores ? I wish i would be there now to pick up a couple of Bost drivers and MOB hammers with carbon handle and a wood handle hammer with the red (plastic ?) protective sleeve. I like the look... Did you see other tools like SAM-outillage etc. ? Are the Stanley angle socket wrenches from france too ?
ps: the hungarian Bosch tools were "green" right ?
ps: next time leave the girlfriend there and pick up one of the anvils !

@Mule:
thanks for the pics ! Nice collection !!

@american lockpicker:
i found the pens at the local "Staples" market here. There are a couple of Faber-Castell pens "made in Japan" from Mitsubishi and i think chinese too...

@phang:
maybe it`s because they speak "swiss german" and not "high german" so somebody don`t understand if you wish i try again

@chreese:
some more mics to check out for you
PAV from Liechtenstein and Hartig from Germany.

 

[superautobacs]

... Did they say anything about taking photos inside the stores ?

I took them without asking. Much easier than trying to explain you came all the way from Canada to take some photos of some French-made screwdrivers and hammers.

I wish i would be there now to pick up a couple of Bost drivers and MOB hammers with carbon handle and a wood handle hammer with the red (plastic ?) protective sleeve. I like the look... Did you see other tools like SAM-outillage etc. ? Are the Stanley angle socket wrenches from france too ?
ps: the hungarian Bosch tools were "green" right ?

Yeah, the wood handled ones with the red protective 'sleeve' was some type of plastic. I think you a better one already--Habero.

Nope, no SAM at all. I'd probably have to go outside of Paris to find them?

The Stanley stuff that I saw there (NOS wrenches, and angle socket wrenches) were all made in France.

Yup, the Hungaro Bosch were all green.

ps: next time leave the girlfriend there and pick up one of the anvils !

I can pound and pound and pound on an anvil and it'll never complain or moan.

 

[Mule]

Here is some more stuff, and some better photos of some of the screwdrivers.

On the one chiseldriver, take a close look at the bolster. Those off corner marks are from a spline wrench.

The NWS pliers are brand brand new, as I've only had them about a week or so. They are difficult to acquire here in the US. Very well built, they give Knipex a run for their money.

 

[Monte]

I took them without asking. Much easier than trying to explain you came all the way from Canada to take some photos of some French-made screwdrivers and hammers.

lol yeah difficult to explain ! even in french it would be difficult

Yeah, the wood handled ones with the red protective 'sleeve' was some type of plastic. I think you a better one already--Habero.

yes but i want it anyhow the red plastic thing looks cool

Nope, no SAM at all. I'd probably have to go outside of Paris to find them?

next holidays

The Stanley stuff that I saw there (NOS wrenches, and angle socket wrenches) were all made in France.



Yup, the Hungaro Bosch were all green.

The green stuff is the DIY line , the production moved from "PRC" to Hungary

I can pound and pound and pound on an anvil and it'll never complain or moan.

lol but a anvil in the bed is more uncomfortable i think

hmmm Bost handles... i dreamed of them last night....
i always look at these precision screwdrivers at the store..... hmm should i or not..... 24,95€ ....
(2,5 x 50 mm, 3 x 50 mm, 3 x 100 mm, PH00 x 50 mm, PHO x 75 mm, PZ0 x 75 mm)

@Mule
are you really from the USA ??
nice NWS pliers !! The "Quattro gripp" pliers are really nice ! They`re on my wishlist too. Where did you find them in the US ? I thought they`re only available in canada so far. btw. nice Hazet socket set

 

[superautobacs]

Mule, nice stuff indeed.
You just reminded me to contact the Canadian rep for NWS. ...thanks, I have to spend more money.

What brand of spline tools do you use? I'd like to know what someone who uses them regularly thinks of them.


Monte, I'll remember to look for that set at Home Depot and if available, lets hope they will be as cheap as the set I bought.

 

[wolpi]

Tomorrow i'll buy also the torx set and fix them onto my toolbox

 

[Monte]

@ Mule

do you already know the new NWS "S-pipe" pipe wrench/pliers ?
here some supersized hi-res pics: Pic 1 , Pic 2, Pic 3, Pic 4, Pic 5

@wolpi: Are these the new Wera drivers with 1/4" square drive in the striking cap ??

 

[wolpi]

no, they haven't the square drive

 

[Monte]

NOS "Belzer" combination pliers

 

[american lockpicker]

Those are very nice.

 

[Hazet]

Very nice! If you loose your mirror you could use these

 

[MD11]

WOW! now I want a pair... anyone sell em in the US?

 

[superautobacs]

WOW! now I want a pair... anyone sell em in the US?

Unfortunately, Belzer is no longer. IIRC, Snap-on swallowed them up and tossed the name entirely.

Monte, where are you getting all your NOS stuff from? Do you have special access to the back room of some tool shop?

 

[Mule]

Monte,

Yes I am in the US. I have a hodgepoge of US, Euro, and some Asian stuff. I just dont think that posting Wright ratchets or Bondhus T-handles would work in a "tools from the old world" thread

I didn't acquire the NWS in the US, I got them from Mr. Seizer in Quebec - that was why they were difficult to get here.

Those S-pipe look like you can really lay into them. Do you have any idea if NWS will come out with larger sizes? Just curious, I don't see getting them as long as my Knipex 560mm are still doing what they do and do very well.

I have other German stuff as well that I don't really use much. I never took the Hazet sockets to work as I was pleased with the performance of the Wera. When you break 5/8 bolts and snap the head off of a 3/4 bolt (not with the Zyklop though) I'd say the sockets are strong.

The teeth on the Quattro Gripp are beefier than on the Knipex Cobra. The Cobra looks refined, the Quattro Gripp looks like a weapon up close. They self lock just like the Cobra, so when you really have to lay into them they can handle it and come back for more.

Superautobatics-

The spline tools I have are SK and Gearwrench ratcheting wrenches. I was using a 5/8 XL Spline Gearwrench on that chiseldriver.

I do like the way they engage the fastener. Apperance is no issue with equipment that is state of the art for 1930. They engage rusted and somewhat rounded bolts and nuts rather well. Very good for engaging square head bolts as well.

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

@superautobacs:
Thanks for the great pics. I really like the Bost screwdrivers and the woodworking shop. Looks like a comfortable and "cosy" place.

@chreese:
Maybe you could contact Bessey and ask if they still have some of the Gross-Stabil clamps in stock ?

Thanks for the suggestion. Basically, I don't need any more "standard" or small clamps. I could probably use some additional larger clamps (1250 mm or larger) which don't come with plastic caps anyway or special clamps such as the Bessey K-bodies.

ps: "Lust" clamps belong to Bessey.

Yep, I heard that before. I wonder why Bessey doesn't offer them on their website.
Regarding the Uniklamps: I own six of them. They are nice (and cost much less than K-bodies) but the clamping pressure is rather low compared to the Bessey TG, GZ or K-body series.

Gedore (Le Tigre) would be another option.

Don't get me wrong, the four Le Tigre clamps I have aren't poor quality tools but I don't like them as much as Bessey or Gross Stabil clamps. The Le Tigre clamps don't "feel" as good and I have the impression that they have a higher tendency to "flex".

So how about this: You get the Gedore and purchase the Weidmüller tool too ... and you tell which is better...

I don't want to afford both. A store that has them in stock would be very helpful in order to make up one's mind.

Thanks for the hook/pick tool suggestions. I might just get the PB version since I found a way to buy from Hoffmann.

interesting wrenches.... never saw glossy Gedore wrenches... the new "Chrom VI" free stuff ??

I know nothing about those wrenches. I bought both in 2006 from the same dealer who had them in stock.

:re: Unior
maybe i`ll order a couple of the punches with handle....after i checked if Rennsteig makes them The blue/grey fits good to my Gedore tools

I for one, I have enough punches (Habero, Rennsteig, PB) but really would like Peddinghaus punches with handles. I think they look very nice and Peddinghaus replied to the email I sent them within a day while Rennsteig never responded.

Congrats on the Ultrasonic safety goggles. Those are great and very comfortable to wear - if it can be comfortable to wear safety glasses at all.

@phang: i mailed PB swiss yesterday about the 2 versions with/without knurling on the "Twister" but they didnt get it and replied there are 2 versions a long one and a short one ....

I got my PB ratcheting screwdriver from Hoffmann today. No knurling.
I will keep you posted about the Garant micrometers. I purchased two of them.

You don't have a Rotring pencil?

BTW, is this a Metec toolbox you own?

A "fluid tool" from the old world: Beko B10

Have a nice day,

Chreese

 

[Jacko Brush Strokes]

Somebody on German Ebay as several insulated Belzer spanners/pliers for sale.

I wish he shipped to the UK. I feel a growing urge to build a Belzer collection.

 

[Monte]

Yes Belzer dont exist anymore. The name was primarily known in the german language area so it was dropped in favour of "Bahco". The machinery was shipped to Argentina. The last sockets + wrenches with the Belzer name then came from Argentina, Pliers from France. The Bahco catalog still lists a couple of tools with the "Belzer" name though like these combination pliers:

prices are pretty high though: click . But they still look nice imho.

WOW! now I want a pair... anyone sell em in the US?

only in europe...

a member at a german forum want to sell these. Belzer pliers "made in France"
the last one from sweden "new (swedish) design" the package says.

@Superautobacs:
the store where i found the pliers had 2 Belzer wrenches hanging behind the counter and i just asked if they have more Belzer stuff which was like "open sesame" and the cave opened .I found NOS Belzer screwdrivers, wrenches (+ Dowidat),pliers and other NOS stuff like the Hazet pliers i once posted etc. They also offered me a SAE Belzer socket set but i think thats already from Argentina, and comes in a red metal case. They also have a nice pair of Belzer water pump pliers which are completely ground, polished and chrome plated "from tip to toe" (pics later when i have the money to visit them again )

a other pair which i picked up there:

Belzer diagonal cutters (unfortunately with small scratches)

@Mule:
I only thought because of all the strange tools and even NWS
I don`t know about bigger versions, the pics are from a press release for the 2010 hardware fair so maybe they`ll look how well these sell and then make bigger ones ?? Because the s-pipe is clearly targeted at the large Cobras since normal german pipe wrenches dont look like that but like this. On monday i have a appointment with the NWS dealer so I`ll see if they have the Quattrogripps in stock...

Very nice! If you loose your mirror you could use these

@chreese:
thanks for the info about the different clamps. I only have 6 steel Turnus clamps and 2 Bessey "SGM" clamps. I will stick to Bessey (the clamps with the new beam design look interesting) and Turnus clamps (need some "Primat" brand ones with the Witte Protop handles). Do you know the "Le Tigre" story ?? sounds french ? I only know they belong to Gedore.
I`ll see if my dealer can order either the Weidmüller or Gedore version so i can test them without buying them (hopefully )

Rennsteig answered 2 from 3 times . In the last email i asked if the Unior and Rennsteig punches are the same - they didnt reply yet... If you
mailed between the 23.12.09 and 10.1.10 then they were probably making holidays. The answer also can take several days since the dude seems to be out of town often.

So i guess the PB Twisters without knurling is the recent style. 2 mics ?? 0-25mm + 25-50mm ?? Post some pics when they arrive they look nice !
yes sure i have a Rotring pencil and a couple of "Edding" pens of course
Yes its the cheapest Metec box i could find back then (199.- + tax)
Ultrasonic --> the best imho


Bessey "SGM"

here your future "Peddinghaus" punches

ps: Habero/Gedore "Pin-Plus" punch

 

[superautobacs]

Man, that Belzer diagonal cutter is a beauty to look at! And I'm definitely attracted to their translucent red handles.

I like how each one of them has the same handle diameter--something I find very uncommon. It must be costly though.

 

[Monte]

yep nice Belzer stuff i agree

The punches should be from Racodon ("Air Grip 2" handle)


Bahco saw with the new packaging:

 

[superautobacs]

Oh no, a Bahco saw...I was using my 2500 ProfCut today and I slit my index finger a bit.

Oh, btw, the owner of Marcouty apparently didn't know who Racodon was. In hindsight, it may of been my pseudo-french accent that didn't register in his brain.

Hey, that RareStar company supplies to Carolus!(?) Nice find!

 

[Monte]

Oh no, a Bahco saw...I was using my 2500 ProfCut today and I slit my index finger a bit.

saws are dangerous Don`t you have clamps ? hope the finger is still working

Oh, btw, the owner of Marcouty apparently didn't know who Racodon was. In hindsight, it may of been my pseudo-french accent that didn't register in his brain.

i should have choosed french instead of spanish in school. But at least i could buy some spanish tools in spain now. I think i`ll write everything on a piece of paper what i want to have if i should visit france

Hey, that RareStar company supplies to Carolus!(?) Nice find!

i wonder why nobody offers this wrench

picked this up last monday:

Tajima scraper. Regular snap-off knife blades can be used. Got this without package and spare blades for 10€ instead of 24€.

"Dust cap/guard" for my Bosch angle grinder. For 15€ instead of 49.50€

"Dronco" 7" cleaning disc for 3€

 

[Chreese]

Servus, Monte,

a member at a german forum want to sell these. Belzer pliers "made in France"
the last one from sweden "new (swedish) design" the package says.

This guy also offers (offered) a Helios (bought by Mahr, as far as I know) digital micrometer. What do you think about it?

Do you know the "Le Tigre" story ?? sounds french ? I only know they belong to Gedore.

Sorry to disappoint you, I can't offer any background information about Le Tigre.

I`ll see if my dealer can order either the Weidmüller or Gedore version so i can test them without buying them (hopefully )

It would be great if you could do this before the Gedore Magic promo ends because the Gedore 8147 is on sale here (EUR 38.90 without VAT).

I emailed Rennsteig back in November.

So i guess the PB Twisters without knurling is the recent style.

Yep, the fact that the older version with Multicraft handle came with the knurling, as you already pointed out, also implies to that.

2 mics ?? 0-25mm + 25-50mm ?? Post some pics when they arrive they look nice !

Exactly. I already have them and they are nice. Pics will follow as soon as I can borrow a camera. I realize that the operator is still the biggest problem with these precision tools. Depending on the speed you turn the thimble with you can over- or "undertighten" the micrometer (and get inaccurate measurements as a result) despite the ratchet mechanism.

BTW, I also purchased a small set of Garant combination wrenches.

Yes its the cheapest Metec box i could find back then (199.- + tax)

Which type is it and are you satisfied?

here your future "Peddinghaus" punches

No need to post more pics. Thanks to you, I already know that those are must-haves.

Some more Stahlwille tools:

Have a nice week,

Chreese

 

[superautobacs]

saws are dangerous Don`t you have clamps ? hope the finger is still working

Thing is, it actually happened before I even started sawing ...it happened when I was sliding the protective sleeve off. ...operator error.

i should have choosed french instead of spanish in school. But at least i could buy some spanish tools in spain now. I think i`ll write everything on a piece of paper what i want to have if i should visit france

I wish there's a device that you simply speak in to, and it blurbs out the translation in all languages, without some silly, digitally produced voice.

i wonder why nobody offers this wrench

the Taiwanese never run out of ...uhm....ideas. ...but as we all know, some are great...


I've seen the longer Tajima scraper--looked like a nicely made tool. ..time to scrape off some wallpaper?

I never knew their was a dust cap for angle grinders; can you show us how it looks, mounted?



Chreese,

How do you like the Stahlwille screwdriver handles?

 

[Monte]

Servus, Monte,
This guy also offers (offered) a Helios (bought by Mahr, as far as I know) digital micrometer. What do you think about it?

i dunno . ... for 45.- i would probably buy it. I have no experience with Helios. I guess standard import tools. If money is no problem i would buy Mitutoyo or Tesa.

It would be great if you could do this before the Gedore Magic promo ends because the Gedore 8147 is on sale here (EUR 38.90 without VAT).

ok i`ll see what i can do. ps: its not on sale over here.

I emailed Rennsteig back in November.

Telephone

Yep, the fact that the older version with Multicraft handle came with the knurling, as you already pointed out, also implies to that.



Exactly. I already have them and they are nice. Pics will follow as soon as I can borrow a camera. I realize that the operator is still the biggest problem with these precision tools. Depending on the speed you turn the thimble with you can over- or "undertighten" the micrometer (and get inaccurate measurements as a result) despite the ratchet mechanism.

i wonder if there is a difference when you use a more expensive micrometer ??

BTW, I also purchased a small set of Garant combination wrenches.

haha i remember you said you don`t need no more wrenches !!

Which type is it and are you satisfied?

its from the "serie 60" part # 60060 . Its ok. Some drawers dont come out 100%. They get stuck. Then you have to pull again. . I dont know why. Still have to figure out. Replaced 2 high drawers with 4 small ones. Since there are holes on the outside you can add trash cans, can holders etc. . The drawers can be opened no matter where you grab, unlike snap-on for example where you have a small lever which you have to push.
I`m happy for 240€ . The "Big Box" store boxes are cheaper but thin metal, drawers wobble even more, some dont even lock the drawers so you can open them anytime without pushing a lever etc... So thats the cheapest useable german made box.

No need to post more pics.

sorry

Some more Stahlwille tools:

nice !!!! the best imho !

here the "Würth" version of the UVEX goggles:
(There is also a "LUX" version and i think a "Promat" version.)

Thing is, it actually happened before I even started sawing ...it happened when I was sliding the protective sleeve off. ...operator error.

ouch ! If you ever should dare to work with a electric saw: www.sawstop.com

I wish there's a device that you simply speak in to, and it blurbs out the translation in all languages, without some silly, digitally produced voice.

there is something like this... you only need a telephone and sign up here: www.interpreter.com

the Taiwanese never run out of ...uhm....ideas. ...but as we all know, some are great...

like this ?

I've seen the longer Tajima scraper--looked like a nicely made tool. ..time to scrape off some wallpaper?

i actually could have used the tool when we scraped off wallpaper etc. from january 4 to 8. Next time when we redo the bathroom and kitchen again....

some tools used:

I never knew their was a dust cap for angle grinders; can you show us how it looks, mounted?

i only found these pics: (i`ll post some when i get to the garage this or next week)

There are also tools where a dust guard is already incorporated

ps: do you know when the new Factory gear mag will be released ?? The bookstore here says february 28th . i wonder if this is a special issue with 500 pages or so because i just prepaid 28.10€ click
here is more info click (scroll to 2010/01/15)

 

[Chreese]

Servus,

i dunno . ... for 45.- i would probably buy it. I have no experience with Helios. I guess standard import tools. If money is no problem i would buy Mitutoyo or Tesa.

Money is always a problem - especially for a guy who's wish list is as long as mine.
I'm not quite sure if Helios carried imported tools. Apparently, some changes in Helios' company structure took place in the last years. On the Mahr website (interestingly, the URL is "http://www.helios-messtechnik.de") it says, "2006 Übernahme der Helios Messtechnik GmbH & Co. KG in Dörzbach". Then again, there is Helios Preisser (http://www.helios-preisser.de). So I don't know what happened with Helios and where their tools were/are made.

Thanks for trying to find out more about the Gedore and Weidmüller stripping tools.

i wonder if there is a difference when you use a more expensive micrometer ??

I don't know. The Garant micrometers are the only micrometers I have used in my life so far. Don't you have a Mitutoyo (digital) micrometer? Have you experienced something similar to what I had mentioned above? Personally, I tend to think that every ratchet has some kind of "Totgang" and as a consequence, the speed and torque you use a micrometer with still matter.
According to this description torque affects the accuracy of the measurement.

haha i remember you said you don`t need no more wrenches !!

That's why I only bought the small set (9 pieces).

Thanks for the comments on the Metec box.

Yep, the Stahlwille Quick Release extensions are excellent. I bought two of them in 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2". They seem to perform flawlessly while the extensions from KS Tools didn't.

I'm glad you had something to do around X-mas. Holidays without work - wouldn't that be boring?

@superautobacs
Sorry, I bought the Stahlwille screwdrivers primarily for my collection and haven't used them yet.

Regards,

Chreese

 

[Monte]

Money is always a problem - especially for a guy who's wish list is as long as mine.
I'm not quite sure if Helios carried imported tools. Apparently, some changes in Helios' company structure took place in the last years. On the Mahr website (interestingly, the URL is "http://www.helios-messtechnik.de") it says, "2006 Übernahme der Helios Messtechnik GmbH & Co. KG in Dörzbach". Then again, there is Helios Preisser (http://www.helios-preisser.de). So I don't know what happened with Helios and where their tools were/are made.

I guess the hand measuring tools are now made by Preisser click (Look at 2007) And the wellenmesstechnik is still made by Mahr click

I don't know. The Garant micrometers are the only micrometers I have used in my life so far. Don't you have a Mitutoyo (digital) micrometer? Have you experienced something similar to what I had mentioned above? Personally, I tend to think that every ratchet has some kind of "Totgang" and as a consequence, the speed and torque you use a micrometer with still matter.
According to this description torque affects the accuracy of the measurement.

The micrometer i have has a "friction thimble" instead of a ratchet. It just slips. You also must consider hat if you dont measure 100% the exact same spot the result can vary and also if you dont hold the object you want to measure 100% straight every time results vary again. I measured a 19mm nut several times and there are differences in the reading. But the surface of the nut is also not 100% even so results may vary.......
here is more interesting info about the speed and force applied etc. : click

That's why I only bought the small set (9 pieces).

but now some sizes are missing (6,8,11,12,14,15mm...)

Yep, the Stahlwille Quick Release extensions are excellent. I bought two of them in 1/4", 3/8" and 1/2". They seem to perform flawlessly while the extensions from KS Tools didn't.

I'm glad you had something to do around X-mas. Holidays without work - wouldn't that be boring?

actually it was quite fun to work with the Bosch GSH 5 CE demolition hammer we rented. The tiles had no chance



A tool which i need today....

www.idealspaten.de/

Aluminium

 

[Monte]

Welcome to page 71


"1 for 6" screwdriver from "Craftomat" (made by SKG) for PH 1/2/3 + PZ 1/2/3 screws.

 

[superautobacs]

ps: do you know when the new Factory gear mag will be released ?? The bookstore here says february 28th . i wonder if this is a special issue with 500 pages or so because i just prepaid 28.10€

500 pages and all-colour would be awesome. It would probably take me an year to look through that thing. However, 129 pages all in colour is pretty appetizing. It seems to have received a good review. Because it's put together by FG, you can expect to see even more promotion of their own Deen brand. This issue is not to be mistaken for their annual series--that's yet to be released (but it should be within the next two months).

I checked out my local tool store and to my surprise, all Tajima products (aluminist cutter, caulking gun, and all scraper sizes (like yours) were made in China. It was sad to see that.

I quickly glanced at the SawStop website...man, that's amazing!
And thanks for looking up the pictures of the gringer cover.

Those UVEX goggles are nice! I have their regular glasses, but that looks to be a better solution.

SKG screwdriver... do they really work? It reminds me of the Titan screwdriver that does (only ) PH1,2,3.

 

[Monte]

ok I`ll just wait what i receive from "Gakken Mook" , hopefully its worth the money and not too many "Deen" advertisements

I checked out my local tool store and to my surprise, all Tajima products (aluminist cutter, caulking gun, and all scraper sizes (like yours) were made in China. It was sad to see that.

oh no ! and i always wondered why there is no "Japan" nowhere.... the packages only said "Tajima - made by TJM design corporation" or something like that.............
picked this up at the book store....hopefully this is made in japan ..
Potato chips with seaweed

I quickly glanced at the SawStop website...man, that's amazing!
And thanks for looking up the pictures of the gringer cover.

i would like to see the saw live, but wouldnt dare to try if it works....

Those UVEX goggles are nice! I have their regular glasses, but that looks to be a better solution.

i wear regular glasses so i need goggles and these are comfortable and protect the sides and top and bottom of the eyes/face area too, better for metalworking/grinding or for removing tiles etc. so no sharp pieces can enter the eye area (or hot metal sparks which could melt into the corrective lenses)

SKG screwdriver... do they really work? It reminds me of the Titan screwdriver that does (only ) PH1,2,3..

i only have PH/PZ 1+2 screws here but fitment is good with the size 1 and ok with size 2. There are also "PHZ" bits from Schröder which can be used for both PH + PZ. But there is one size bit for every size screw (PHZ1, PHZ2,PHZ3 etc....). They say they changed the geometry so it will match both the PH and PZ good (there is a difference in the flank angle of both the PH and PZ i think)

also picked up this "Format" punch for 50 cent and the PH3+PH4 offset screwdriver from "Drehmax" for 1.-