Cynical huckster
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195.20G bent nose pliers were made in France. Now this reference is discontinued and replaced by 195A.20G (made in France too). The OEM is Bost, I guess.
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195.20G bent nose pliers were made in France. Now this reference is discontinued and replaced by 195A.20G (made in France too). The OEM is Bost, I guess.
Awesome, thanks! I guess that makes sense, since Facom owns Bost. I did some digging and found this Bost catalogue in which it looks like these are essentially the Bost 1142-60 half-round pliers on page 78.
Cynical huckster
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Facom owns Bost, and Stanley owns both of them
I don't know about your country, but in Ukraine, we sell a lot of FatMax pliers made by Bost. French made FatMax pliers replaced Chinese and Taiwanese ones on Ukrainian market. And price level is the nicest thing: it is the same as for Chinese/Taiwanese products.[
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I have the exact same socket set and I love it..
When I bought it the extension was crooked so I replaced it with a Draper one and the 13 mm socket had already some deep scratches so the quality control is poor, but it has served me well for quite some years. Did not manage to break the case until now...
I wonder what would happen if instead of the plier wrench they would put a Cobolt there
Also are any of these stainless/have UV resistant handles? Otherwise I don't see them lasting that long, even without the Cobolt
handtools-from-germany
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The new Stahlwille Advent calendar 2018 is coming in October.
<b>Textile roll-wallet. Standard - the perfectly organised workshop</b><ul><li>metric size</li><li>slim design</li><li>with AS-drive profile</li><li>slim heads</li><li>Ring: 15° offset</li><li>for powerful use</li><li>Surface: chrome-plated</li><li>Material: Chrome-Alloy-Steel</li><li>DIN 3113 form A/ISO 7738 form A</li><li>Set with 12 wrenches in roll wallet, flashlight and offset hex screwdriver set</li><li>Made in Germany</li></ul>
<h1><font size="2">Technical details</font></h1><table><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#f1f1f1"><img src="https://www.handtools-from-germany.com/bilder/picto/stahlwille_logo_40.gif" alt="Stahlwille Logo" title="Stahlwille" style="display: inline;" height="18" border="0" align="bottom"> <strong>No</strong></td><td>97241218</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#f1f1f1"><strong>Weight kg</strong></td><td>2,350</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#f1f1f1"><strong>EAN</strong></td><td>--</td></tr></tbody></table>
<h1><font size="2">Content/List of tools:</font></h1><ul><li>Number of tools (set/assortment): 24 pieces</li><ul><li>Combination wrench No. 13, size 6 ∙ 7 ∙ 8 ∙ 9 ∙ 10 ∙ 11 ∙ 12 ∙ 13 ∙ 14 ∙ 15 ∙ 17 ∙ 19 mm</li><li>Flashlight</li><li>Offset hex screwdriver set No. 10765/9, size 1.5 ∙ 2 ∙ 2.5 ∙ 3 ∙ 4 ∙ 5 ∙ 6 ∙ 8 ∙ 10 mm</li></ul></ul>
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<b>Textile roll-wallet. Standard - the perfectly organised workshop</b><ul><li>metric size</li><li>slim design</li><li>with AS-drive profile</li><li>slim heads</li><li>Ring: 15° offset</li><li>for powerful use</li><li>Surface: chrome-plated</li><li>Material: Chrome-Alloy-Steel</li><li>DIN 3113 form A/ISO 7738 form A</li><li>Set with 12 wrenches in roll wallet, flashlight and offset hex screwdriver set</li><li>Made in Germany</li></ul>
<h1><font size="2">Technical details</font></h1><table><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#f1f1f1"><img src="https://www.handtools-from-germany.com/bilder/picto/stahlwille_logo_40.gif" alt="Stahlwille Logo" title="Stahlwille" style="display: inline;" height="18" border="0" align="bottom"> <strong>No</strong></td><td>97241218</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#f1f1f1"><strong>Weight kg</strong></td><td>2,350</td></tr><tr><td bgcolor="#f1f1f1"><strong>EAN</strong></td><td>--</td></tr></tbody></table>
<h1><font size="2">Content/List of tools:</font></h1><ul><li>Number of tools (set/assortment): 24 pieces</li><ul><li>Combination wrench No. 13, size 6 ∙ 7 ∙ 8 ∙ 9 ∙ 10 ∙ 11 ∙ 12 ∙ 13 ∙ 14 ∙ 15 ∙ 17 ∙ 19 mm</li><li>Flashlight</li><li>Offset hex screwdriver set No. 10765/9, size 1.5 ∙ 2 ∙ 2.5 ∙ 3 ∙ 4 ∙ 5 ∙ 6 ∙ 8 ∙ 10 mm</li></ul></ul>
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Do those handles have sharp edges them ? I bought the normal length drivers and I ended up using 1000 and 2000 grit sand paper to smooth out the edges.
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No, but they are used screwdrivers.
I think of the 90's ...
Does anyone know?
*sorry for my bad english
Decided to try out some different chisels by assembling a set from 6mm to 24mm out of various brands/lines which had individual sizes on sale for $4-$6 each.
The two orange Bahco's were supposed to be two different types, one with an orange handle and one with a grey handle, but when she hunting, you get what you get and try not to complain.
The red Bahco and two orange Bahco chisels are made in Spain. The blue HaWe chisel is made in Germany. And finally, the blue Irwin Marples and wood handled Bahco chisels are made in China (just guessing on the wood one). The wood handled Bahco is the only one that didn't ship with any protection for the tip, and you can tell up close, as the tip has small dents in it.
The HaWe and the Irwin have metal strike caps on the top. And the HaWe is probably the most comfortable handle out of the bunch.
Normally I like having matching sets, but I thought it'd be fun to have a non matching set, so I think I'm actually more annoyed by having multiple Bahco's this time around. If I were to choose one of these lines to build a set around, it'd probably be either the orange Bahco's or the HaWe. Then again, I think I would have liked a better quality wooden handled chisel more than any of these. Out of these though, the Bahco wood handled chisel here doesn't seem as good quality as the rest.
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The two orange Bahco's were supposed to be two different types, one with an orange handle and one with a grey handle, but when she hunting, you get what you get and try not to complain.
The red Bahco and two orange Bahco chisels are made in Spain. The blue HaWe chisel is made in Germany. And finally, the blue Irwin Marples and wood handled Bahco chisels are made in China (just guessing on the wood one). The wood handled Bahco is the only one that didn't ship with any protection for the tip, and you can tell up close, as the tip has small dents in it.
The HaWe and the Irwin have metal strike caps on the top. And the HaWe is probably the most comfortable handle out of the bunch.
Normally I like having matching sets, but I thought it'd be fun to have a non matching set, so I think I'm actually more annoyed by having multiple Bahco's this time around. If I were to choose one of these lines to build a set around, it'd probably be either the orange Bahco's or the HaWe. Then again, I think I would have liked a better quality wooden handled chisel more than any of these. Out of these though, the Bahco wood handled chisel here doesn't seem as good quality as the rest.
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Negen
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I bought mine afew months ago from a shop in Holland mine were new the were drop shipped from a facom address. They are still listed on the facom website. As aj.3 set although the stock photo is not accurate.
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Bogdan M.
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BMW started to use the VW type hose clamps, so I had to get the dedicated pliers.
I had the smaller one, but I really needed his bigger brother.
Removing tie rods with it it's very straightforward.
I really needed a battery charger. I bought it because the vast majority of the cars I repair have AGM batteries.
It's made in China, but designed in Sweden.
I had the smaller one, but I really needed his bigger brother.
Removing tie rods with it it's very straightforward.
I really needed a battery charger. I bought it because the vast majority of the cars I repair have AGM batteries.
It's made in China, but designed in Sweden.
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decaf
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Who is Wera? Do i know her? It doesn´t ring a Bell...
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Kasal
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Some new Bahco tools
No COO on the deadblow
How does the pliers feel? I have it in my Amazon basket for future purchases.
Seems really solid compared to the generic china ones, the price is pretty low on amazon.de now
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Decided to try out a few more SAM Outillage tools. The bent nose pliers and cutters don't seem as nice as Facom. The handles feel more rubbery, the seams are more pronounced, and the metal is a bit lighter and not as well finished.
Also no COO anywhere on any of the tools or packaging. Especially disappointed that all of the pictures of the tape measure online have "Made in France" stamped on the front. All the other markings are identical with the one I received except the COO is gone. That said, it's a nice, simple, metal tape measure, which I like.
I thought SAM was a well reputed French brand. Have they recently outsourced all their manufacturing to China?
Another possibility is they're made in Germany, as they appear identical to thsee Made in Germany Heyco pliers (which are identical to some Orbis pliers I used to have as well).
You can also see side by side with the Facom's how much nicer the Facom handles are, though they appear very similar at first.
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Also no COO anywhere on any of the tools or packaging. Especially disappointed that all of the pictures of the tape measure online have "Made in France" stamped on the front. All the other markings are identical with the one I received except the COO is gone. That said, it's a nice, simple, metal tape measure, which I like.
I thought SAM was a well reputed French brand. Have they recently outsourced all their manufacturing to China?
Another possibility is they're made in Germany, as they appear identical to thsee Made in Germany Heyco pliers (which are identical to some Orbis pliers I used to have as well).
You can also see side by side with the Facom's how much nicer the Facom handles are, though they appear very similar at first.
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Tomasz_W-wa
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New and old FACOM design
A very good hand cleaner from WURTH
- cleans and protects at the same time
- Alcohol and silicone free.
- Contains ground pumice stone for easy removal of ingrained contamination.
- Protects and cares for skin due to dermatin skin protection.
- pH neutral formulation prevents skin irritation.
- Dermatologically tested.
- Biologically degradable.
- Will not block drains.
1.05 Gallon/4KG/4000ml
And how it can be mounted in a work-shop.
A very good hand cleaner from WURTH
- cleans and protects at the same time
- Alcohol and silicone free.
- Contains ground pumice stone for easy removal of ingrained contamination.
- Protects and cares for skin due to dermatin skin protection.
- pH neutral formulation prevents skin irritation.
- Dermatologically tested.
- Biologically degradable.
- Will not block drains.
1.05 Gallon/4KG/4000ml
And how it can be mounted in a work-shop.
Interesting you think that. I really don’t like the Facom handles. The shape is somehow wrong, and the leaf spring squeaks.
Hmm, the leaf spring doesn't squeak in mine. But it's still pretty new to me and hasn't seen much use yet.
Your comment made me curious exactly how comfortable I think the old Facom handles are. So I went to the garage, grabbed one each of the different comfort-grip handle styles I have and tried to sort them by handle comfortability. This is not scientific, and I'm not positive I'd get the exact same order if I mixed them up and did it again... But it'd be close.
Maybe my hands are weird, as I think that the old Facom and the old Gedore handle styles are more comfortable than each of their respective successors.
Below I have them sorted from top left to bottom right. Least comfortable is the SAM, most is the Wiha.
Note that this is not least favorite to most favorite overall. When factoring in the build, finish, quality, etc., I'd rank them differently.
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Below I have them sorted from top left to bottom right. Least comfortable is the SAM, most is the Wiha.
Note that this is not least favorite to most favorite overall. When factoring in the build, finish, quality, etc., I'd rank them differently.
Interesting. My big problem with Facom handles is that they are either too short or strangely shaped for my hand. My pinky knuckle hangs off the bottom. Dare I say the only "name brand" pliers with worse handles are Snapper. I agree with you that Wiha's handles are tops, though the old NWS VDE handle is a close second for me and you don't seem to think much of them. I don't find much difference between Knipex, Gedore (old or new), Orbis, or Stahlwille/VBW multicomponent handles, so I found your wide preference spread for those interesting.
I really needed a battery charger. I bought it because the vast majority of the cars I repair have AGM batteries.
It's made in China, but designed in Sweden.
Be prepared to fix the charger.
The mode switch fails regularly on these models. I know this by heart as the ones from my mates as well as mine failed after about 2-3years in service.
I now use GYS from France, the best so far in performance and quality.
I'm glad someone else likes the Wiha. Find them very comfortable and well balanced. Fit and finish on the jaws is also very good.
1/4 ratchet comparison vid came up on my youtube recommended vids. Just comparing the ratcheting sounds of which the Hazet sounded very nice. It goes with a write up on a German website. Chrome will translate if required.
https://www.vergleich.org/steckschluesselsatz/
https://www.vergleich.org/steckschluesselsatz/
To the contrary, I think a lot of the NWS VDE handles (for anyone who doesn't know, the Felo VDE pliers in my picture are the re-branded NWS VDE pliers we're referring to).
The regular NWS handles are nice overall, but I can feel the seams between the black and gray rubber in my palm and forefinger. The VDE handles don't have that pattern there, and so they're more comfortable. However, the bolster that protects your hand from slipping into the high-voltage area is a 90-degree edge that is short enough that the outermost corner digs into my thumb. Notice all the other VDE plier handles have more rounded bolsters that follow the curvature of the thumb more closely.
There's also not much spread in all of these examples. If I rated them on a scale from 1 to 10, the SAM pliers would probably be around 5 or 6, and the Wiha pliers would be a 9 (where a 10 would be plier handles that felt like they were molded to my hand). So we're talking only a 3-4 point difference between the best and the worst.
And the pliers from the NWS through the Gedore are all within tenths of a point of each other. So I agree with you that I don't find much difference between them. It was only holding and squeezing them side by side for this comparison that I even figured out which ones I liked slightly better than which others.
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Bogdan M.
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Thanks for the info!
I evidently didn't know that.
Fortunately I kept the receipt and the warranty. The charger came with a 5 year warranty, so if I can use it for 5 years, it's money well spent.
Cynical huckster
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It was really funny to see S&R tools in this rating. Are these tools sold in Germany? Seriously?
This brand is founded by Shuster and Rogalsky, owners of Ukrainian company Altsest. S&R branded hand tools are mostly made in China (some references are made in Taiwan). Some abrasive tools such as cutting and grinding wheels were made in Slovenia by SwatyComet and Germany (sorry guys, no idea about OEM), but now S&R abrasives are made in China only. There are SDS Plus and SDS Max drill bits line made in Germany by DreBo, but now there are also cheap Chinese products.
Kasal
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Kasal
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Thank you, I looked, but I got more barrato in amazon.es I bought it for € 30.27 and immediately raised the price to € 94.48.
Hi,
I'm currently visiting Austria and was wondering if anyone can recommend any tool shops to visit with a nice selection of old world hand tools?
I would be looking between Vienna and Linz, and perhaps a bit later around Amsterdam or to the south of there ?
Cheers
OD
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I'm currently visiting Austria and was wondering if anyone can recommend any tool shops to visit with a nice selection of old world hand tools?
I would be looking between Vienna and Linz, and perhaps a bit later around Amsterdam or to the south of there ?
Cheers
OD
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AndySchlagzeuger
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Hi,
I'm thinking of purchasing a set of Stahlwille screwdriver but cannot decide between Drall 3K and Drall +.
Can anyone offer experience/advice, etc. etc?
I realize they are made by Witte, and I also like Felo, and several other top brands. One selling point on the Stahlwilles for me is the trays they are available in.... I jut like well organised stable tool set ups.
DDankkkke
I'm thinking of purchasing a set of Stahlwille screwdriver but cannot decide between Drall 3K and Drall +.
Can anyone offer experience/advice, etc. etc?
I realize they are made by Witte, and I also like Felo, and several other top brands. One selling point on the Stahlwilles for me is the trays they are available in.... I jut like well organised stable tool set ups.
DDankkkke
AndySchlagzeuger
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Ah well another option, albeit one that is a little surprising! I kind of like the idea.
New Facom adjustable spanners with the new grip style. Not sure of COO. A feature I haven't seen before (may just be new to me) is that it looks like the screw can be pulled away from the worm for quick adjustment. Website description says 'The operator simply depresses the integrated button to release and adjust the moving jaw instantly. The jaw can then be tightened on the nut rapidly and securely, with fine adjustments controlled using the worm mechanism.' Can be seen in this vid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=e7-9Bq4JsBk
More info here
https://www.facom.com/uk/products/101-Series-Description.html
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GrayFlattop
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On that same topic, can anyone recommend a good tool shop in Berlin?
handtools-from-germany
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Felo has a cooperation with NWS. They produce the new screwdriver for NWS ...
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LeGarage
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My Precious. Wanted one for so long. Now I can finally tighten valve covers without fear of breaking something.
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In Linz I would definitely stop by at Schachermayer. Opening hours (!) Monday - Thursday 06:30 - 17:00 h, Friday 6:30 - 12:30 h.
In Vienna there are (still) a couple of rather small hardware stores. I don't know which brands they sell. However, I like the atmosphere of this kind of store and that's the main reason I visit them. I have been to Eisenwaren Hareter and a store in the Währinger Straße 107, 1180 Wien (I don't know its current name).
Stores such as Bauhaus, Hornbach, Obi and Zgonc can be found in and around Linz and Vienna.
If you are interested in knives and other cutting tools you might like to visit Lorenzi in Vienna. It's one of those shops I like to stop by when I am in Vienna. There is a tool/hardware shop not too far away, Petzolt. I passed by a few times but never had a look inside.
There are certainly more tool and hardware stores in and around Linz and Vienna and in between, but these are the ones that just come to my mind.
Hope this helps,
Chreese
Xavier from France
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Here are my new Tools from my grandfather !
according to the Facom logo it's between 1945 and 1964. S.71 is written on the side of the box. Sockets from 10mm to 22mm.
Any clue on a more precise date ?
Xavier
according to the Facom logo it's between 1945 and 1964. S.71 is written on the side of the box. Sockets from 10mm to 22mm.
Any clue on a more precise date ?
Xavier