Tools from the old world

[mr.lemons]

So why do...
Bahco products carry a fish and a hook?
After Göran Fredrik Göransson had established his steel mill in 1862, the European steel industry in the eighteen seventies had a long depression with low prices for general steel and crude steel products. The prices for processed steel were much better, which created an interest in processing the steel further. In 1876 the existing steel rolling mill was changed to produce so-called milled steel.

When the production of saw blades commenced in 1886 there was a need for a brand, which could communicate the blades' special properties and quality, and the choice was - quite naturally - the fish and hook.

^^^^ From the Bahco website. I must be thick and missing something. Can someone explain why a fish and hook represents special properties and quality please?

 

[5ktq]

I think it's actually sandvik logo. I'm not sure when bahco became a thing or they connected or whatever.

Fish hook needs to be hard to keep a point but ductile enough to not shatter when big fish pulls on it I guess. Also sweden known for fish, maybe biggest export then. (fish, wood, and steel are still in sweden's top 10 exports, 150 years later).

 

[mr.lemons]

I was missing something. Didn't scroll down enough, there is more to the quote and it looks like you are right about it being the Sandvik logo.

"Give me the saw with the little fish."
Everybody understood that steel with a quality for fishing hooks was perfect for saws and other cutting tools as well.

Makes sense now sort of.

 

[Kasal]

Os this new or NOS? ANY COO?

Thanks

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New, compared on Amazon, for less than € 8. Made in Spain.

 

[losvre]

New, compared on Amazon, for less than € 8. Made in Spain.

Thank you!

Please provide feedback after using it especially if cutting any wood screws!

 

[beefcake]

This arrived today.
Does anyone know if the "automatic" opening clip is sold separately? And what is your reference?

Pretty sure only the ERGO line has the opening spring.

 

[Kasal]

Pretty sure only the ERGO line has the opening spring.

And do you know if it can be obtained?
In the handle has the place for him.
Tomorrow I will put a photo.

 

[5ktq]

Anyone see these proto "cobra" style pliers?

Says made in france, I wonder who is manufacturer.

 

[Kasal]

�� Maybe Facom.

 

[ultgar]

Those are the Facom 170A series.......see

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Much cheaper in Facom brand, even with Zoro discounts (eg, in the 7" size....the Facom 170.18 is $26.00...the Proto J262MG is $55.00)

 

[5ktq]

That's about what I figured, thanks for the info!

 

[mrspeed]

Anyone see these proto "cobra" style pliers?

Says made in france, I wonder who is manufacturer.

I have the Facom version. I'm honestly not a huge fan of that model in particular. I do like the narrowness of the head, but the handles are big and bulky, and I don't personally like the feel of the handles which are hard plastic. They do feel and look well built though.

Here is a picture of several Cobra-style pliers side by side. My favorite so far is the Knipex and Gedore, followed by the NWS, then the Facom, then the Orbis.

The Gedore feels more comfortable than the Knipex, but the Knipex feels stronger. The NWS feels the sturdiest, but the head is bulkier, it doesn't have as many adjustments (especially the older style pictured as the rebranded Felo), and I'm not sure it grips as well as the Knipex. And the Orbis just feel loose and cheaper compared to the others.




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[motorenzo]

This arrived today

Great

 

[beefcake]

And do you know if it can be obtained?
In the handle has the place for him.
Tomorrow I will put a photo.

No its only on the 21HDG-200, no idea why it shows the spring on your packaging.
If there is a G in the part number = ERGO line.

 

[mrspeed]

Anyone see these proto "cobra" style pliers?

Says made in france, I wonder who is manufacturer.

Also, FYI, I just posted a deal on the Facom 250mm version from Amazon.de over on the Amazon Warehouse Deals thread. There are a few left for €14.16, shippable to the US.

 

[5ktq]

That comparison photo really shows how chunky the handles are. Yeah, not my thing I don't think.

 

[Ganymedes]

�� Maybe Facom.

I ´m quite sure:made by Bost

 

[losvre]

I have the Facom version. I'm honestly not a huge fan of that model in particular. I do like the narrowness of the head, but the handles are big and bulky, and I don't personally like the feel of the handles which are hard plastic. They do feel and look well built though.

Here is a picture of several Cobra-style pliers side by side. My favorite so far is the Knipex and Gedore, followed by the NWS, then the Facom, then the Orbis.

The Gedore feels more comfortable than the Knipex, but the Knipex feels stronger. The NWS feels the sturdiest, but the head is bulkier, it doesn't have as many adjustments (especially the older style pictured as the rebranded Felo), and I'm not sure it grips as well as the Knipex. And the Orbis just feel loose and cheaper compared to the others.




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I have Gedore and Knipex.

Gedore has better button and slide function however the jaws are a bit soft if you try to undo hard steel bolts and screws.

Knipex has really hard jaws for these rough jobs but could leave marks on many items and not as nice slide function.




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[mr.lemons]

I have the Facom version.

Interesting comparison thanks.

New Hazet promo video for 'Cordless drilling machine set, 18 V, 2 Ah, 9230-2'

Naff English voice over

German voice over

 

[losvre]

Interesting comparison thanks.

New Hazet promo video for 'Cordless drilling machine set, 18 V, 2 Ah, 9230-2'

Naff English voice over

German voice over

Is that Milwaukee or Makita dressed in Blue[emoji848]

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[PureLeaf]

Is that Milwaukee or Makita dressed in Blue[emoji848]

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I was thinking Dewalt, but then I watched the video. Theres a part where they show the label pretty clearly. I was looking to see if it said Made in China. I did notice a very large "Germany" on the label, but I suspect thats just related to Hazet's address, not where its made?

 

[Cynical huckster]

Did you guys know that Stanley CushionGrip screwdrivers are made in France now? I don't have it in stock yet, but it will be very soon. Here is the pic from one of the biggest tool stores in my town. Unfortunately, I didn't find any differences between the French and Chinese screwdrivers, except the sticker and the holder. Not any sign of COO on screwdriver itself.

 

[losvre]

I was thinking Dewalt, but then I watched the video. Theres a part where they show the label pretty clearly. I was looking to see if it said Made in China. I did notice a very large "Germany" on the label, but I suspect thats just related to Hazet's address, not where its made?

I am quite sure it is China.

There is also another Chinese brand that bought Flex in Germany and push their product as FLEX.

Thanks to GJ and Monte I got a hint and looked into it.

You never know what you are buying in today.

Buy Mercedes and get Fiat[emoji16]



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[scubadoober]

Buy a JEEP and get Fiat[emoji16]

FIFY

 

[Bogdan M.]

Heyco wheel stud torque wrench. (OE BMW tool)

 

[losvre]

Buy a JEEP and get Fiat[emoji16]

FIFY [emoji106]

So true!

A friend of mine found out after a small accident that his expensive Jeep is actually a punto[emoji41]

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[Cybermike]

Is that Milwaukee or Makita dressed in Blue[emoji848]

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It looks like a Trumpf HD 1813 https://www.trumpf.com/en_SG/products/powertools/battery-machines/

I have the TruTool 1010
Very nice tool. Battery is made in China so i think the tool is made there too.

 

[outdated]

Just back from my holidays, thanks to those who suggested places to find tools in Austria but time and logistics precluded any decent shopping expeditions.

I did manage a visit to a 'Hornbach', which was not unlike a Bunnings here in Oz although it's always interesting to see the different products available. Their tool department was not really that different from Bunnings, with a mix of cheap and/or 'shops own brand' as well as some nice euro brands. Selection of screwdrivers and pliers was good, spanners etc were all shop brand. I bought a couple of Bessey clamps and a set of Wiha Torx screwdrivers.

I also had a quick look around an 'OBI' on the way to the airport on the way out. It may have just been because it was a smaller regional shop, but it seemed more downmarket than the Hornbach. All the hand tools seemed to be a 'shop brand' - spanners were made in India, the rest at a glance were medium quality chinese however the pliers were all made in Germany rebadged NWS.

 

[losvre]

Is that Milwaukee or Makita dressed in Blue[emoji848]

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This is the company that acquired Flex, read down the page and check their products.

I think because Hazet and Flex are both in Germany they may have an agreement.

http://www.chervon.com.cn/en/what-we-do/our-brands

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[HazetMatt]

A disturbing amount of Hazet stuff is made in China or Taiwan these days. Gotta research before you buy.

 

[PureLeaf]

This is the company that acquired Flex, read down the page and check their products.


http://www.chervon.com.cn/en/what-we-do/our-brands

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Chevron as shown in that page makes Skil tools, and until recently (or perhaps still do) make Craftsman power tools. All of those are some pretty bottom of the line budget tools. Shame they could not have partnered with a good german firm like Fein, Festool, or bosch.

 

[mr.lemons]

Picked up a used 1 lb hammer.

Facom 202 A.1 Ball Head Engineers Hammer.

Marked France on the handle.

The handle is covered in a shiney dark varnish which is coming away and feels a bit sticky. Will feel better when sanded and oiled.

Maybe an older model. Current Facom catalogue pic looks to have a slightly different shape head, marked 202H and with a different Facom logo.

 

[losvre]

Chevron as shown in that page makes Skil tools, and until recently (or perhaps still do) make Craftsman power tools. All of those are some pretty bottom of the line budget tools. Shame they could not have partnered with a good german firm like Fein, Festool, or bosch.

Well said!

People have to stop buying cheap stuff. This way even the low cost producers they would have to up their game to decent items or close down.

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[Ganymedes]

Picked up a used 1 lb hammer.

Facom 202 A.1 Ball Head Engineers Hammer.

Marked France on the handle.

The handle is covered in a shiney dark varnish which is coming away and feels a bit sticky. Will feel better when sanded and oiled.

Maybe an older model. Current Facom catalogue pic looks to have a slightly different shape head, marked 202H and with a different Facom logo.

I love the balance-feel of ball-peen hammers over that of DIN1041 German hammers, I have them all from 50 to 2000 grammes, made by Peddinghaus,Belzer,Sandvik,Picard, and only 6 ball-peen, made by Blue Point, Stanley and Peddinghaus, but I like these more.

 

[Ganymedes]

562 pages and I've finally reached the end!!

By way of celebration I've decided to make my very first post a pic of an old-world tool that has not yet come to light in this thread (several variations have though) - a double-first if you will...

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This of course came in the tool kit of my beloved Husaberg, which was unfortunately sold when I emmigrated from Canada. It's a great opener, but I was never quite sure what they were trying to say about drinking and riding

When I ordered my UNIOR Tool catalogue, last year from the Dutch Unior importer, for which I paid p&p myself, as a private person, they send me the same opener as a gift: to compensate p & p, I think! Since then I have opened lots of beers: great tool!

 

[mr.lemons]

Knipex have published a vid on the new style Pliers Wrench.

 

[Bogdan M.]

Knipex tool collection so far.

 

[upgrading]

Knipex have published a vid on the new style Pliers Wrench.

Looks nice.
Wonder if it will cost more ?

 

[ChrisLS8]

Just received my Wiha impact nutsetters and while I'm sure they work fine I'm really dissapointed they are made in Taiwan

 

[Fedwrench]

Just received my Wiha impact nutsetters and while I'm sure they work fine I'm really dissapointed they are made in Taiwan

could be worse, some wiha pliers are made in Vietnam.