Tools from the old world

[mrspeed]

New old stock Black & Decker 200mm pliers. Made in Germany. Not sure who the manufacturer was. Closest I could find with similar jaws and texture on the metal handles on Google images was Heyco. I like the looks but the finish isn't so great. The jaws don't line up properly and they are not tooled symmetrically.

Those look basically identical to me to the Bernstein combination pliers. Best picture I could find was here:



Also, the handles remind me of the handles on a couple of my older Belzer pliers. Someone else had posted their similar Belzer pliers a while ago in this thread here. The head on those combination pliers though is more round than your Black & Decker pliers:

Belzer combination and bent needle nose. Translucent handles. No COO.

 

[Superbug]

ps: found something for the Hazet fans

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Monte: Do you know if this drawing is available in a bigger size somewhere?

 

[Superbug]

ps: found something for the Hazet fans


Monte: Do you know if this drawing is available in a bigger size somewhere?

 

[mr.lemons]

ps: found something for the Hazet fans

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Monte: Do you know if this drawing is available in a bigger size somewhere?

Hi Superbug. Monte has not been around here for a while.

Those look basically identical to me to the Bernstein combination pliers. Best picture I could find was here:

They very much look like those Bernstein pliers. Never looked into Bernstein before. Looks like they are still going and selling German made tools. Any idea if they manufacture or just rebrand tools? Some of their drivers look to be Wiha.

These are the Heyco pliers I thought looked similar. Could be one company made pliers for Heyco, Bernstein and B&D.

http://forums.pelicanparts.com/pors...ce-pair-germany-hapewe-pliers-sc-carrera.html

Edit. Sorry, didn't realise that the Bernstein pliers are current. Thought they were vintage.
https://www.bernstein-werkzeuge.de/en/products/productdetails/3-732-13-combination-pliers/

 

[dutchgray]

Dropped into Homebase to buy a hand saw. Was happy to see that the majority were not made in China. Even Stanley have made a token effort.

Picked up an Irwin as they offered the size I wanted. Don't cut much wood so don't have anything to compare it to but it works fine for the task I wanted it for which was cutting floor boards.

Also marked 'Made in Denmark' on the blade.

Jack used to totally dominate the handsaw market in the UK, to the point it was hard to get anything else from a builders merchant, then Irwin got hold of them and within a few years almost everyone I have worked with was using something else. Its that new tooth design, just not as nice to use. I usually use Spear and Jackson or Bacho (which are just a little bit more expensive)

 

[Reed Prince]

New Knipex pliers arrived from Amazon.de today. I chose the least expensive shipping (EUR 4,68) and my February 11th order was predicted to arrive six days from now. Amazon.de's budget carrier is Asendia and when I checked out online reviews for this deliverer most were horror stories, though obviously I am quite satisfied.

I'm not 100% satisfied with the tools. The 08 25 145s are without flaw, but both the 22 05 160 and the 20 05 160 are hard to open past a certain point, and lubrication and exercising the tools did not significantly loosen them.

The 20 05 160s become stiff after only opening them a little bit and continue to have considerable resistance until they reach the angle where it looks like they were immersed in the chroming bath. They then become very stiff again except at two other positions.

The 22 05 160s open smoothly until they reach their chroming angle and then become progressively stiffer, but I can't imagine needing to open them beyond the point where they are tough to open further.

 

[JBH]

Those look basically identical to me to the Bernstein combination pliers. Best picture I could find was

I think that's the DIN standard combi plier pattern. At some point I'm sure every German pliers maker used those handles. Fit still does:

As for Bernstein, I suspect (no hard proof) that VBW makes at least some of their pliers. Compare these needlenose pliers to two known VBW made pliers (VBW, Stahlwille) and another suspected VBW needlenose (Elora)

(I suspect Elora does their own handles. I can't imagine VBW letting that kind of handle finish quality leave their works.)

 

[JBH]

Some USAG stuff trickling in from a Mister Worker order:

If anyone's curious, USAG/Facom HX through-socket and Wera through sockets (Zyklop Mini 2, 8790 FA) are compatible. Presumably same OEM, just like both companies' bit ratchets. I picked up a 7mm Wera socket a while ago to use as a finger-nutdriver for the 7mm nut that secures a locator to the Rennsteig/Knipex Crimp System crimper. USAG/Facom socket have stamped numbers, and interestingly the Facom logo stamped into them too. Wera just has size printed on.

I'm disappointed that the 1/2" telescoping flex head is too big to fit in my Facom D-BOX. I really only bought it to sell the standard Facom one. I should've checked more carefully before I bought. I didn't realize Facom actually has two different sizes of 1/2" D-BOX. Here's a size comparison with the 1/2" ratchet that came in the D-BOX and the 3/8" telescoping flex head.

 

[mr.lemons]

Thanks for the info on Bernstein. I've become quite fond of those Facom/Usag telescopic ratchets. You may be able to fit a telescopic fixed head in the D-Box. Looks to be only 2mm longer than the standard ratchet.

VBW 289030 300X12mm Electrician's Chisel. Came in Stahlwille packaging. Stamped 'Made in Germany.'

Aliexpress Cob LED USB rechargeable inspection lights.

Delivery took just over a week. Surprisingly they came from Birmingham via Royal mail. Previous Aliexpress orders have taken about four weeks and came direct from China.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/COB...021.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.22534c4dU8nJav

Small.

Large.

Batteries are not designed to be removable. I assume the small one uses a 14500 and the large uses a 18650. I'm not a torch/flashlight enthusiast so I'm just going off size.

Inside the small one.

Both have a magnet in the base and a hook.

Modes = Click for full brightness, again for dimmed and again for torch mode which is useless. Hold button for a red light and flashing red light.

Torch mode.

Compared to a 1100 lumen ThruNite TN12 torch. The camera adjusts light so it's hard to take accurate images but I think these pics show a good enough comparison.

ThruNite. Brighter but more focused light.

Large inspection lamp.

They are cheap plastic so probably not durable enough to be used as a work light but plenty bright enough to keep in the car for emergencies.

 

[upgrading]

Cool lights.

 

[mr.lemons]

I've been comparing 7mm magnetic sockets and nut setters for use with a drill/driver (not impact) before commiting to a full set. Task is removing and refitting car interior trim.

PB Swiss = Switzerland. (Impact rated unknown).
Grey Pneumatic = Taiwan. (Impact rated).
Erbauer = China. (Impact rated).
Britool Expert = Unknown (probably China or Taiwan). (Impact rated unknown).

Visual observations.

Erbauer has thicker walls than the other sockets which may provide more strength for impact use but may cause issues when access is limited. Expert and Erbauer have larger magnets than the PB and GP.

The finish on the PB is impeccable. The hex on the Expert looks to be off centre so the socket wall is not the same thickness all round. GP and Erbauer are just fine.

While the three nut setters each have static magnets the magnet in the Grey Pneumatic socket is mounted on a spring and can be pushed in about 23mm.

Observations while using the sockets.

All four sockets can hold a screw when fitting parts.

I found that the magnets in the GP and PB were not strong enough to retain a screw when removing parts. The screw would mostly stay in the dashboard. The GP was the worst at holding onto screws.

I found that the Erbauer has the strongest magnet so was the most useful for my task. It's thicker walls did not cause any clearance issues. The Expert also has a similarly strong magnet but was over twice the price and offered no clear advantages. As far as I am aware Erbauer do not offer a complete set.

It is not my intention to bad mouth GP. I know they are popular here. They may be far superior at other tasks and I think the larger GP sockets have larger magnets. This was just a little experiment.

 

[ultgar]

I'm disappointed that the 1/2" telescoping flex head is too big to fit in my Facom D-BOX. I really only bought it to sell the standard Facom one. I should've checked more carefully before I bought. I didn't realize Facom actually has two different sizes of 1/2" D-BOX. Here's a size comparison with the 1/2" ratchet that came in the D-BOX and the 3/8" telescoping flex head.


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You can buy the larger D-Box from your local dealer...

 

[Jack84]

Gedore Ratchet thingies and a T27 screwdriver.


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[ultgar]

With the new Facom tray sizes, you can make your own sets..........here's a mix of 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2" fractional sockets plus a PICO metric set. Just about any standard size plastic of foam tray module will fit in the new BPMBOX-L case.

 

[mrspeed]

Decided to try out the handles on the Stanley Fatmax version of the Bost/Facom diagonal cutters. I haven't tried using them yet, but I'm not a huge fan just from holding them. Rubber is not a very comfortable material to hold for me. I think I'll be sticking with the dipped Facom versions.



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[iyan22suryana]

update, stahlwille ratcheting bit holder


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[PaintNBodyGuy]

Just wanted to thank all you guys especially Monte for keeping this thread so fresh. Danker.

 

[PaintNBodyGuy]

I have gotten many of German tools recently but, these are the nicest.

 

[PaintNBodyGuy]

Got these a few weeks ago. Too nice to replace my felo wood handles, so I will have two sets. Besser auf.

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[kiraj]

The box is bad but they are exiting as new.

 

[kiraj]

Purchased on local flea market , incomplete.

 

[mr.lemons]

New Facom brochures showing info on some of their tools for 2019.

https://www.facom.fr/services/broch...eFKZFFZh72ovQElbX3ZbnTRd6ZuDK83g2sggrtEjjhVwE

Scroll a little and look for these two.

Some of the new tools in the brochures.

Also spotted a Facom branded Opinel knife on a vid.

 

[Fedwrench]

oooh a Black Opinel Facom knife. Perhaps Ultimate Garage will get some on this side of the world.

I'm not a fan of nonserviceable Facom pear head ratchet and i'm not sure if i want the direction switch to be by the handle

 

[ultgar]

For Facom, the big news so far in 2019 is the new Protwist screwdrivers, the 101 series adjustable wrenches and the 181 series ratchets. These products will also be available with USAG branding. New product availability is limited....it may be another few months before we start to see the new screwdrivers. SD

 

[Fedwrench]

what about a FACOM/USAG black Opinel knife?

 

[ultgar]

Don't know about the knife....can't find a part number. Should get an answer on Monday. SD

 

[mr.lemons]

The Opinel knife is something to do with prizes Facom are giving away for following them on social media. Collecting points or something. So it may be a promo/prize rather than something you can purchase.

https://www.facommunaute.fr/

 

[superautobacs]

Whenever I see a ratchet like that R181, it reminds me of the Bahco Belzer Ergo ratchet:

This has been in my shopping list from the earliest days of this thread. I finally decided to buy it to replace my cheapo one.

Hi, Monte! I hope all is well!

Bahco Ergo Hacksaw by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr

Bahco Ergo Hacksaw by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr

 

[Skin]

oooh a Black Opinel Facom knife. Perhaps Ultimate Garage will get some on this side of the world.

I'm not a fan of nonserviceable Facom pear head ratchet and i'm not sure if i want the direction switch to be by the handle

Im with you. Also liked their palm controls which they kind of did away with. They don't seem to have much interest in bringing out variations of their round heads either.

 

[superautobacs]

True. Gone are the short, long, or long flex Palm Control ratchets.

Their R161B is a darn good looking ratchet IMO, but no variations.

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[Fedwrench]

I find it hard to believe that the European mechanics working on those small European engines wouldn't want a FACOM/USAG flex head or long handled ratchet. what am i missing?

Are those R161B ratchets made in Italy? I ask because Dewalt has an Italian made series of round head ratchets with all metal handles and the Dewalt ratchet head looks just like the R161B ratchet head. Just curious since the PROTO palm control round head ratchet looks like a FACOM spinoff.

 

[superautobacs]

AFAIK, yup, those USAG/Facom ratchets are made in Gemonio, Italy.

 

[mr.lemons]

Sold mine but still have a pic.

 

[Dave455]

I'm not a fan of nonserviceable Facom pear head ratchet and i'm not sure if i want the direction switch to be by the handle

Me neither! The older Facom ‘Palm Control’ ratchets are lovely tools, well thought out and very smooth. They were made in Italy by USAG. Thankfully, they are still available.

The newer ratchets, that are being heavily promoted, are made in Taiwan and are nothing like the same quality. I’m guessing the margins are a good deal higher, hence all the advertising!

 

[Dave455]

I find it hard to believe that the European mechanics working on those small European engines wouldn't want a FACOM/USAG flex head or long handled ratchet. what am i missing?

They’re all made :-

3/8 Rubber Handle - J.161
3/8 Long/Flex Rubber Handle - J.153A
3/8 Steel Handle - J.155A
3/8 Steel Handle Short - J.161E
3/8 Steel Handle Long - J.157A
3/8 Steel Handle Long/Flex - J.158A

These are the Italian made ‘Palm Control’ Ratchets. I presume that Stanley will want to discontinue these at some point in the hope of forcing people to buy the Taiwanese ones. The Rubber handle tools are readily available at the moment though. You have to hunt around a bit more for the steel handle ones, but you’ve always had to!

For 1/4 Drive replace J with R, for 1/2 drive, replace with S. There are even more styles but I don’t have the part no’s!

Here are a couple of mine. There’s really nothing I dislike about these tools, and in the U.K. you can usually pick ‘em up for about a third of the cost of the Snap On equivalent. I suppose that’s why you see so many about!

 

[Qualitytools]

Whenever I see a ratchet like that R181, it reminds me of the Bahco Belzer Ergo ratchet:

This has been in my shopping list from the earliest days of this thread. I finally decided to buy it to replace my cheapo one.

Hi, Monte! I hope all is well!

Bahco Ergo Hacksaw by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr

Bahco Ergo Hacksaw by ChrisCas aka Superautobacs, on Flickr

That Bahco ratchet has some great features, where are they sold?

 

[shirk]

The 151 version of the new Facom 1/2 along with the DeWalt made in Italy Facom style 1/4 drive.

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[mr.lemons]

Some random purchases from this months autojumble.

Impressed with the Irwin (NWS) cutters.

 

[Qualitytools]

I like my Irwin /NMW cutters also the only draw back is that it does not open wide enough for some jobs.

 

[superautobacs]

That Bahco ratchet has some great features, where are they sold?

It's vintage level stuff! If you find one, it's NOS or used. I'd love to play around with one.

I like my Irwin /NMW cutters also the only draw back is that it does not open wide enough for some jobs.

Agreed. That's the main drawback to these high leverage mechanisms.