Tools from the old world

[CrustyD3mon]

My old collection of Facom pliers....i just loose the long noose and long noose curved one...if anyone knows where i can get...hit me up....

 

[eschoendorff]

My old collection of Facom pliers....i just loose the long noose and long noose curved one...if anyone knows where i can get...hit me up....

I love my Facom pliers. Mine are the older red/black handles with the plastic spring. I have pliers by other brands (the usual suspects) but reach for my Facom pliers first every time.

 

[eschoendorff]

What is a proper MAPP torch? I thought you get the high temp bottle mix if you want to run hotter. Thanks


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I mean a MAPP torch with one nozzle, not three like the turbo torch above.

 

[scubadoober]

My old collection of Facom pliers....i just loose the long noose and long noose curved one...if anyone knows where i can get...hit me up....

It probably doesn't help considering your location, but check out the link.
https://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?cPath=35_68_395&products_id=881

 

[ultgar]

It probably doesn't help considering your location, but check out the link.
https://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?cPath=35_68_395&products_id=881

Nice set of pliers........Facom was proud of their new "black series" pliers when they came out in 1992.

 

[ultgar]

Found a pair of old S.161 ratchets (from 2002/2003) in a bottom drawer....seized and slipping. 5 minutes with some Rost Off penetrating oil and working the ratchet back and forth has these working properly again.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I don't normally collect vintage tools that weren't made in the US, but I couldn't resist these tiny dykes, found in the bottom of a toolbox at a flea market this morning.

E. A. Berg, Model 1525, in exceptional condition, made in 1947 (twelve years prior to the BAHCO acquisition), with an exquisite branding inscription and a crisp shark logo near the date on the inside of the handle.

I'll be honest. I knew nothing about Berg, his company, or his prestige when I picked them up. The craftsmanship was just unmistakable.

Elated with this find.

 

[eschoendorff]

I don't normally collect vintage tools that weren't made in the US, but I couldn't resist these tiny dykes, found in the bottom of a toolbox at a flea market this morning.

E. A. Berg, Model 1525, in exceptional condition, made in 1947 (twelve years prior to the BAHCO acquisition), with an exquisite branding inscription and a crisp shark logo near the date on the inside of the handle.

I'll be honest. I knew nothing about Berg, his company, or his prestige when I picked them up. The craftsmanship was just unmistakable.

Elated with this find.

Nice!

 

[CrustyD3mon]

It probably doesn't help considering your location, but check out the link.
https://www.ultimategarage.com/shop/part.php?cPath=35_68_395&products_id=881

Link doesn't work in my country...

 

[doitmyself]

I got a new riveting tool yesterday via Amazon Germany for €33.
No indication of where it's made on it or the packaging. Seems to be of high quality.
Anyone here know who makes these for Hazet?

 

[mr.lemons]

Someone's getting a good price for some nos Elliot Lucas pliers on Ebay.

 

[mrspeed]

I wanted to see which screwdrivers I like best, and I may have gone overboard. I'm sure I'll post more pictures and thoughts here as I start using them.



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[mr.lemons]

^ That's some thorough research.

 

[driven04]

I wanted to see which screwdrivers I like best, and I may have gone overboard. I'm sure I'll post more pictures and thoughts here as I start using them.



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I'll buy the ones you only liked 2nd best and 3rd best.

 

[JBH]

I wanted to see which screwdrivers I like best, and I may have gone overboard. I'm sure I'll post more pictures and thoughts here as I start using them.

I don't see Felo woodies, so you might want to fix that!

 

[AceofSpad3s]

Does anyone have a Felo 0715732350? Thoughts?

 

[eschoendorff]

I wanted to see which screwdrivers I like best, and I may have gone overboard. I'm sure I'll post more pictures and thoughts here as I start using them.



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Whoa. Next level achieved

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Nice!

Thanks.

 

[Qualitytools]

I just received a promotional email from Knipex about their new improved Plierwrench:

KNIPEX Tools introduced a new and improved version of its popular 10-inch Pliers Wrench.

The new Pliers Wrench is 15 percent lighter than the previous model and features an increased jaw capacity of two inches, as well as a narrow jaw profile for accessibility into confined areas. The Pliers Wrench is now available in a new black atramentized finish or in the original chrome plated finish. Other new features for the Pliers Wrench include recessed areas for a better grip and laser-etched inch markings that can be used to set the jaw width before working with the Pliers Wrench. The Pliers Wrench's previous comfort grip handle has been slimmed down to allow for easier removal from tool pouches and pockets.

The full Pliers Wrench line is forged and oil-hardened in chrome, vanadium electric steel and is available in 5" to 16" lengths with capacities from 7/8" to 3 3/8". Zero backlash jaw pressure prevents damage to edges, and the tool's smooth jaws are designed to prevent it from marring any workpiece surfaces. The parallel jaws evenly distribute force for a secure grip that is 10 times the pressure applied to the handles.

"With a lighter design, increased jaw capacity and improved pinch guard, we reinvented the Pliers Wrench with the hands of our customers in mind," said Todd Shumate, President, KNIPEX Tools. "Now, users can more easily get strong gripping performance in hard-to-reach areas without the risk of getting blood blisters or experiencing hand or finger pinching."

I thought it would be of interest!

 

[HRNTK]

I wanted to see which screwdrivers I like best, and I may have gone overboard. I'm sure I'll post more pictures and thoughts here as I start using them.



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I think facom then Beta and bahco...

 

[eschoendorff]

I think facom then Beta and bahco...

Agree. Do like Facom screwdrivers, the Ergotwist were fantastic

 

[scubadoober]

Received a NOS stabil 20 series in my last Amazon.de order and this is definitely the most polished stahlwille wrench I have seen to date.

 

[mrspeed]

^ That's some thorough research.

I'll buy the ones you only liked 2nd best and 3rd best.

Whoa. Next level achieved

I didn't plan on this. GJ got me.

I don't see Felo woodies, so you might want to fix that!

That's because the Felo woodies already have a place on the wall along with the Wera laser tips. I like those so much I even bought a couple sets for family birthday gifts.

I think facom then Beta and bahco...

Agree. Do like Facom screwdrivers, the Ergotwist were fantastic

I have three different Bahco handle designs, all made in Spain. I like two of them a lot so far, but I'm not not a big fan of the Bahco Irazola driver, which is funny because there's a Toolguyd post where he calls them the most comfortable screwdrivers ever made.

For Facom, I have a set of the Protwist and a set of the cheaper ball shape screwdrivers (not sure what they're called), both made in France. The Protwist are probably in my top two.

For Beta, I have two different handle design sets. Supposedly both are made in Italy according to a couple websites that list COO for the sets, but there is no indication anywhere on the screwdrivers or packaging. They seem well made, but one of the handle designs is just strange. Reminds me of a fake leather print style straight out of the 80s.

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[PaintNBodyGuy]

Some new stuff. 17 pc. Wurth Zebra Ring Schlussel set I think taiwanese and a u-20 quarter inch ratchet.

 

[HRNTK]

Agree. Do like Facom screwdrivers, the Ergotwist were fantastic

I opt for the protwist or (USAG 092/324) with his octogonal form like the handle of some wood hammers i feel that i have a tool in the end of my arm not a hand..

but I'm not not a big fan of the Bahco Irazola driver, which is funny because there's a Toolguyd post where he calls them the most comfortable screwdrivers ever made.



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The funniest one is me because i followed this guy..lol



Here is my different kind of Facom, beta and bahco handles....

 

[target]

My Knipex family growing up. This is my first plasticdip handles and i will never return to comfort grip again.

 

[dutchgray]

I opt for the protwist or (USAG 092/324) with his octogonal form like the handle of some wood hammers i feel that i have a tool in the end of my arm not a hand..



The funniest one is me because i followed this guy..lol



Here is my different kind of Facom, beta and bahco handles....

Those are the other type of Irazola handles to the ones mentioned on Toolguyd, I do like the other type but only have a few as they are hard to find now. The electricians I know here liked them too when they were easy to get, but mainly because they were about the only screwdrivers with a decent warranty available here at the time and electricians go through a lot of screwdrivers.

 

[mrspeed]

I opt for the protwist or (USAG 092/324) with his octogonal form like the handle of some wood hammers i feel that i have a tool in the end of my arm not a hand..

The funniest one is me because i followed this guy..lol

Here is my different kind of Facom, beta and bahco handles....

You have a couple variations I don't have yet, but I have a couple different variations not pictured as well.

My Knipex family growing up. This is my first plasticdip handles and i will never return to comfort grip again.[emoji106]

Same here! I've posted a picture of my Knipex drawer in this thread before, and they're all the dipped handles. I do have some comfort grip Knipex, but they're in boxes. Will probably get rid of them.



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[mrspeed]

Got some new NWS end nippers. They seem well made. I really like the feel of them, probably my favorite end nippers so far.

Shown next to its smaller sibling and also next to versions from Knipex, VBW, and Wiha. All are made in Germany, except the Wiha which are made in Vietnam.

Out of the group, the NWS have the smoothest and most even finish. They also have a small hex key screw on one side of the joint, which makes it seem serviceable, though I'm not positive about that.

Overall, they're just end nippers, so not much difference between the way they feel. Haven't had much chance to compare function yet.



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[scubadoober]

A few odds and ends. I had to pick up this 13x17 23 series wrench, and I wish more companies did odd mismatch sizes like this. It makes more sense to put commonly used sizes together than a numeric step. So all the JIS sizes grouped and all the ISO or DIN sizes grouped, but then that leaves out nine and fifteen. Some Japanese brands do this, but not many others.

 

[user.nr.1]

Stahlwille single hand ratchets

 

[eschoendorff]

Stahlwille single hand ratchets

Were those ratchets (or similar ratchets) also made with different branding? My dad has a 1/2” drive model that look as very similar but his is definitely not Stahlwille.

 

[user.nr.1]

Were those ratchets (or similar ratchets) also made with different branding? My dad has a 1/2” drive model that look as very similar but his is definitely not Stahlwille.

The design is pretty common but i don‘t know if there are other that use the same direction changer on the side of the ratchet.

Hazet had the changer on top.

 

[mr.lemons]

Spotted a Facom 'amm mammoth' ratchet screwdriver on uk ebay. Not quite sure how it works but it looks cool.

 

[jimmyin3D]

For some reason that reminds me of a valve spring or something tool. That metal hook part especially

 

[mrspeed]

Finally got them all opened and laid out so I could start comparing them.

First up, the various Witte styles all made in Germany. Mostly the old style gray/blue Maxxpro, but also a couple of the new style blue/black Maxxpro, the black Protip II Plus with the grip insert, gray/dark gray Maxxpro Plus with the grip insert, and Maxxpro Nature using cork grip inserts in the handles.

Then the Bahco screwdrivers all made in Spain. These are the round black/orange BahcoFit on the top, purple/gray Irazola, black/gray Ergo, and black/orange Ergo impact on the bottom.

Then the two Beta sets. I believe these are made in Italy, but the COO isn't anywhere on the drivers or packaging. The top are the Beta Grip style and the bottom are the Beta Max style.

Next up is the Facom made in France on the bottom left and the Wiha made in Germany.

The Facom are the gray Protwist and the single Blackhawk handle on the bottom far right. I'm pretty sure both of these styles come labeled as Facom, USAG, Blackhawk, SK, Stanley, and probably a few other brands. But they're all the same screwdrivers owned by the Stanley Black & Decker family. I think someone else in this thread had mentioned that the Protwist style are made by the USAG factory, and I think I read also somewhere on GJ that the round Blackhawk store is made by Bost which was owned by Facom before they were bought by Stanley.

The Wiha are the black and gray ACM, or Anti Cam Out, on the bottom left, and then the SoftFinish on the top left, Black Microfinish, and Dynamic Handle set on the top from left to right.

Then the Elora 2 component handle screwdrivers made in Germany.

And from right to left, the Hazet made by Oplast in Slovenia, MOB Peddinghaus which I don't know the COO but they seem similar to the Hazet, Stahlwille Drahl made in Germany, and PB Swiss SwissGrip made in Switzerland.

And of course the Wera Kraftform Plus with the laser etched tips made in the Czech Republic.

I'll follow up with some thoughts on my first impressions.

Also, sorry if you got a couple notifications from this post. I had to re-post it a couple times to get the images to all show up.

 

[HRNTK]

The gray facom is for stainless screws....or it's in arbois plant where they made the screwdrivers (Facom, Usag , Bost , virax , ega, expert(britool), pastorino, SK and sidchrome)...

Here is the plant where they produce the screwdrivers..

Nice set mrspeed..have a good continuation.

 

[upgrading]

Those Beta's look interesting.

 

[eschoendorff]

The gray facom is for stainless screws....or it's in arbois plant where they made the screwdrivers (Facom, Usag , Bost , virax , ega, expert(britool), pastorino, SK and sidchrome)...

Here is the plant where they produce the screwdrivers..

Nice set mrspeed..have a good continuation.

That video was great! I wonder if the same plant made the old ergo-twist series.

 

[HRNTK]

That video was great! I wonder if the same plant made the old ergo-twist series.

Yes, it was a Bost's plant and in 1982 it becomes 100% facom's plant, they supplied facom for the isoryl screwdrivers before..