Tools from the old world
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upgrading
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Maybe Santa put it there for Monte to find.
Jack84
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Nice find Monte. Picked up a Heuer 150 yesterday for 20,-. Newer model than yours.
CGarage
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Dave455
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Very nice!
The Facom boxes from this era were of very decent quality. I’ve seen a few around and even the heavily used ones seem to have lasted well.
I’d probably say the same about P7’s!!
CGarage
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Dave455
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Never got on with USP’s, always felt a little top heavy to me, though I understand the benefits!
Apologies, in my haste I didn’t notice that was an MR73! In all honesty, they have been good in any era!
Have you been stomping around in my subconscious to build such a tasteful collection...?
CGarage
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It was made to satisfy the American market and it is 1911-esque.....aside from the double-stack magazine. The .45 is the most reliable of the USP family even though it was developed and initially released as a .40S&W (again, for American police market. A a big step down from the P7).
I probably have, but who knows? Maybe Inception is at play.
I have to say, and I know you as a Brit will understand, if I could only have one- it would be my FN HiPower.
P.S. What do you fly?
Dave455
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P M Sent!
Jack84
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The joys of buying used tools.
CGarage
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The joys of buying used tools.
How did that damage happen and did the seller disclose it?
nice price !!!
yours too !
A tool box for guns....not bad !
for 20 bucks....
The joys of buying used tools.
Mato locking grease coupler for the grease gun.
Unfortunately it doesn´t hold...Are there differences in grease *******?
CGarage
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Yes, there are differences in grease ****** types and sizes. I own about 15 different grease guns from Facom, Pressol, Mato, Umeta. I like Umeta the best.
Jack84
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Blowtorch. Noticed it when I went to pick it up. Still, big Heuer for 20.-
Already patched it.
CGarage
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Well done Jack84!
Jack84
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Nice job Kiraj.
Jack84
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Irega adjustable with slim jaws.
Qualitytools
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Irega adjustable with slim jaws.
I have what appears to be the same tool with the CHANNELLOCK label and a 38.1mm thin jaw capacity made in Spain. Interesting to know if it's made by the same manufacturer.
Jack84
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Jack84
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I see what you did there.
Jack84
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That's an interesting one. Maybe a dumb question but how does the adjustment work?
They are. Channellock adjustables are made in Spain by Irega.
From what I've been able to tell, Bahco weirdly sells adjustables from two different manufacturers. Or at least they did, because I have some Bahco wrenches identical to my Iregas, but then the comfort grip Bahco adjustable wrenches which are the style Snap On rebrands, I've read are made in the old Acesa or Irimo factories in Spain, which are all owned by Snap On along with Bahco. These are different than the Irega comfort grips that Channellock and others rebrand, but both manufacturers seem to make the thin jaw versions.
I recently finally completed my set of Irega comfort grip wrenches, branded as Irega, Channellock and Elora. Channellock 6" and 10", Elora 8" and Irega 12".
One interesting note is that the Channellock jaws have a rough finish while the Elora and Irega have mirror smooth polished finishes. They're there same wrenches, but the Channellock seen less refined. I wonder if Channellock specifies skipping the final finishing step to save money.
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While we're on the topic of adjustable wrenches, I have a lot of them:
And I have to say that the Irega / Channellock is really well made! Probably has the smallest jaw slop of all of them. But still, it is almost unusable for me. And that's because the adjustment screw goes the wrong way. So my muscle memory fails me when I try to use it, I open it when I want to close it and the other way around.
And I have to say that the Irega / Channellock is really well made! Probably has the smallest jaw slop of all of them. But still, it is almost unusable for me. And that's because the adjustment screw goes the wrong way. So my muscle memory fails me when I try to use it, I open it when I want to close it and the other way around.
With one finger, you place the jaws on the screw. In one direction, it tightens and in the other it loosens.
Jack84
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While we're on the topic of adjustable wrenches, I have a lot of them:
And I have to say that the Irega / Channellock is really well made! Probably has the smallest jaw slop of all of them. But still, it is almost unusable for me. And that's because the adjustment screw goes the wrong way. So my muscle memory fails me when I try to use it, I open it when I want to close it and the other way around.
How many different brands do you own?
That’s my guess. The same is true for their old Schmitz (presumably) precision pliers. Same designs, but look like they skipped a finishing step.
Not that many, there's like >90% Bahco in that pile. Some Irega, Gedore and some older Japanese ones mostly.
Dave455
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While we're on the topic of adjustable wrenches, I have a lot of them:
Nice collection!
I hardly ever see any Swedish made Bahco’s for sale used in the U.K. which is odd, as they are relatively common, and were once sold quite widely.
Now I know why, TjoFrasse has them all!,
Dave455
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Bahco has quite an interesting history.
I know very little of it, but obviously the adjustables were Swedish for many years.
I can remember that Bahco were owned by Record tools in the U.K. for some years. (Early 80’s if memory serves). My favourite ball pein hammer is a British made Marples, but 6 months after I bought it, the same tool was branded “Bahco Record”. I think the adjustables were still Swedish made in this era.
I can’t remember who bought Bahco next, but I assume it was the same folks who owned Irega, because the Bahco adjustables became Spanish made, and identical to the Irega.
Of course, now the Snap On group have both Bahco and Acesa, it’s no surprise the Bahco is now an Acesa.
I’m not really a fan of all this consolidation in the industry. While I’m sure there were those who were most relieved to be bought out by Snap On, many of the firms involved made some very nice tools. Acesa made decent sockets and accessories, Irazola some nice screwdrivers, and so on.
Snap On have made some very odd decisions. You can still buy an Irazola screwdriver, but it’s now branded Bahco. Why not leave it with the name that’s known for screwdrivers? I can only assume it’s due to ignorance.
For that matter, if you want to produce precision pliers, why not leave the people who know what they are doing (in this case Lindstrom, in SWEDEN) to do all the precision pliers. Don’t leave it to some other part of the group. And worst still, don’t then brand their stuff “Lindstrom” and wonder why people complain! And don’t try to sell the same stuff as Snap On either.., especially not to Americans who are probably patriotic enough to notice the “Made in Spain” and discerning enough to notice the drop in quality!
Rant over!
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Some interesting stuff in this. I've never heard of Bahco being owned by Record, I thought the were independent before Sandvik bought them (and then sold to Snap-On). I don't think they've ever had any relation to Irega, they were merged with Irimo though when they formed SNA Europe. Adjustable wrenches were Swedish made a bit into the 00s, then it moved fully to Spain. I have a couple of the last Swedish made ones, sold out when they were closing.
I agree that the killing of brands when merging is sad, and somehow Snap-On/SNA Europe decided that Bahco is the only brand that will remain of the original ones (Palmera, Irimo, Acesa, Irazola are dead/dying. I guess Bahco had the best reputation). Bahco themselves has done it previously also, they killed E.A Berg in the 60s after they bought them. Interesting enough they have kept the Lindström brand.
Gedore is bringing out two "ratcheting" (looks like some kind of clutch) screwdrivers: one with a solid handle and another with a bitholder that contains 12 bits. It is not yet available on Amazon (.anything) or KC Tool. This video looks official but I don't recognize the source:
The bitholder is unique: 2 opposing spring-loaded rows of 3 bits, mounted on a central spine. I wonder how thick the handle is. It looks nicely proportioned but the tool is quite long at 250mm. PB Swiss's long one is about 25mm/1" shorter.
I have one bitholding ratchet of that clutch type (Wiha Topra) and it is not my go to. Twelve bits stored in the handle could make it useful for some people.
The bitholder is unique: 2 opposing spring-loaded rows of 3 bits, mounted on a central spine. I wonder how thick the handle is. It looks nicely proportioned but the tool is quite long at 250mm. PB Swiss's long one is about 25mm/1" shorter.
I have one bitholding ratchet of that clutch type (Wiha Topra) and it is not my go to. Twelve bits stored in the handle could make it useful for some people.
superautobacs
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As soon as I read gearless and saw the directional control, it made me think Rolgear: https://www.rolgear.com/
This reminds me of the time Wiha came out with their pop-up screwdriver design. They reminded me of the Megapro design: https://www.megapro.net/collections/screwdrivers/products/automotive-ratcheting-star-screwdriver
Ironically, both companies are from here, in B.C., Canada.
This reminds me of the time Wiha came out with their pop-up screwdriver design. They reminded me of the Megapro design: https://www.megapro.net/collections/screwdrivers/products/automotive-ratcheting-star-screwdriver
Ironically, both companies are from here, in B.C., Canada.
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