Tools from the old world

[svranjic]

I recall an older thread mentioning some of the spanners not being made in Germany but from another Asian OEM.

I'm keen on some of their items and apart from the pliers I'm quite cautious on the rest being German made.

Not sure if Monte or anyone else can clarify that knows the history in later years once Saltus was bought by Atlas Copco. e.g was there products always chrome finish or satin before the buy out by Atlas Copco.

 

[tomalophicon]

Those sockets look very similar to an Australian company that has their tools made in Taiwan: https://www.kincrome.com.au/socket-deep-1-2dr-3-8-c-alternate-k2985

 

[Dave455]

Regarding Saltus. Just had a bit more of a look on Amazon. Some of the Saltus socket sets on Amazon UK are made up of some really random sizes. The full sets though are a reasonable price if they are German made and good quality. The shiney chrome is a bit confusing when looking at German tools.

£35 for 1/2" deeps.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07WTRW5DS/?tag=atomicindustr-21

This spanner having 'Germany' printed on it makes me question COO as I would assume that it was not made in Germany. It is a slightly odd design though with six point and a slotted screw on the side.

I believe the sockets are made in Germany, as are the spanners. I have some combo’s and they clearly say ‘Made in Germany’ on them. The chrome is nice.

I believe all the pliers are made in Germany too, although they are obviously outsourced. There are some patterns not generally available though, such as chrome plated pliers and cutters with regular vinyl grips, which are no longer offered by other makers.

You’re dead right about the ratcheting combination spanners. They have a different feel to the others, the plating is a different colour, and the markings are lasered. I’m told they are Taiwanese and I believe it. Probably the only thing I wouldn’t buy. That marking would be illegal in the U.K. but the Germans don’t seem to be so stringent!

Yes, some of the sizes in the ‘sets’ are a bit odd, but given the prices on some (10,13, 17, 18 universal sockets for £22) I can live with that! Think I saw a complete set of 1/2” drive regular sockets (big set) for about £32 too!

 

[svranjic]

I believe the sockets are made in Germany, as are the spanners. I have some combo’s and they clearly say ‘Made in Germany’ on them. The chrome is nice.

I believe all the pliers are made in Germany too, although they are obviously outsourced. There are some patterns not generally available though, such as chrome plated pliers and cutters with regular vinyl grips, which are no longer offered by other makers.

You’re dead right about the ratcheting combination spanners. They have a different feel to the others, the plating is a different colour, and the markings are lasered. I’m told they are Taiwanese and I believe it. Probably the only thing I wouldn’t buy. That marking would be illegal in the U.K. but the Germans don’t seem to be so stringent!

Yes, some of the sizes in the ‘sets’ are a bit odd, but given the prices on some (10,13, 17, 18 universal sockets for £22) I can live with that! Think I saw a complete set of 1/2” drive regular sockets (big set) for about £32 too!

Thank you for clarifying and will help me add to my collection

 

[superautobacs]

This spanner having 'Germany' printed on it makes me question COO as I would assume that it was not made in Germany. It is a slightly odd design though with six point and a slotted screw on the side.

The screw is a dead giveaway of the OEM. The design has been around for over a decade now. KABO is the OEM. Good quality ratcheting mechanism.


Only Saltus item I've come across:

 

[mr.lemons]

Those sockets look very similar to an Australian company that has their tools made in Taiwan: https://www.kincrome.com.au/socket-deep-1-2dr-3-8-c-alternate-k2985

Certainly a resemblance.

Older Saltus tools on Amazon and Ebay definitely look German made but I'm guessing that they shifted to Taiwan made tools at some point later on. This is pure speculation just based on looking at the pics.

Older spanner. Looks German.

Newer spanner. Not so much.

 

[Jack84]

I want to play a game. German or not?

 

[OMMP]

Well, you could say yes - Germans have Chrom, not Chrome stamped on wrenches

 

[Monte]

I think Saltus only made torque tools and everything else was supplied by other companies. Atlas Copco still sells Saltus tools but they´re probably not german since the factory is closed.
The only other companies who sells/sold polished tools i´m aware of are/were Heyco and Belzer.

I want to play a game. German or not?

German ? ?








Wolfcraft one hand clamp

 

[mr.lemons]

I want to play a game. German or not?

From the design, not German but I think it's a trick.


Edit. Saltus history from Wiki = 1938, the company patented the world's first click-type torque wrench.

 

[OMMP]

Saw twice, as I recall correctly, such high polished wrenches - firstly Bahco-Belzer-Sandvik (they reorganized couple of times ownership, so not sure) then CWalter... So, could be. Made in Germany

 

[OMMP]

Look Jack, if you persist overly, we could say you are in Holland

 

[Jack84]

My NOS Heyco set.

 

[OMMP]

Monte... You could make mistake... Can you?

 

[mr.lemons]

Confused now. If the Saltus spanner set is rebranded Heyco or similar then seems like a good deal.

 

[Jack84]

I’m guessing it’s rebranded.

 

[OMMP]

Guess we will have to wait for opinion of Lord himself, Monte. If he does not know, this set is impossible to exist - it is just a marketing trick, nice photo or even worse... It is collective illusion

 

[Jack84]

Guess we will have to wait for opinion of Lord himself, Monte. If he does not know, this set is impossible to exist - it is just a marketing trick, nice photo or even worse... It is collective illusion

He wasn’t sure about my wrench so Lord and Master of all Tools European he ain’t. [emoji12]


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[mr.lemons]

The same seller sells on ebay so I contacted him/her via ebay messaging regarding the spanner set in a roll and asked..

Do you know if these spanners were manufactured in Germany please?

Unfortunately the reply I received did not really confirm anything.

Seller reply = Saltus was a german producer. Now they are closed.

Felt like when I recently enquired about the coo on Matador tools.

 

[mr.lemons]

New Stahlwille catalogue 2020-2021

'With more than 390 pages, the catalogue provides many details of our new products, such as our TORSIOTRONIC torque screwdriver and our mini fine-tooth ratchets, in addition to extensive details and numerous illustrations relating to our tool solutions for professionals.'

https://www.stahlwille.de/fileadmin/user_upload/downloads/kataloge/en/stahlwille-katalog-20-en.pdf

 

[OMMP]

The same seller sells on ebay so I contacted him/her via ebay messaging regarding the spanner set in a roll and asked..

Do you know if these spanners were manufactured in Germany please?

Unfortunately the reply I received did not really confirm anything.

Seller reply = Saltus was a german producer. Now they are closed.

Felt like when I recently enquired about the coo on Matador tools.

Well, by this one, we are opening Pandora's box... I was tempted to buy two NOS Matador adjustable wrenches - no COO. Hardly, I managed to find it's China. There is almost belief that stamping just any country, that makes certain tool manufactured there. Not sure of it. I have Palmera pliers that have just Spain, or some Vessel screwdrivers with only Japan stamped on.
I have only handful of Saltus wrenches - going to check them over COO. They are geniunely designed, so I could, probably, tell that Saltus itself forged them.

 

[William Payne]

I haven’t been back to the industrial supplier but here is part of their monthly sales leaflet.

 

[Jack84]

The same seller sells on ebay so I contacted him/her via ebay messaging regarding the spanner set in a roll and asked..



Do you know if these spanners were manufactured in Germany please?



Unfortunately the reply I received did not really confirm anything.



Seller reply = Saltus was a german producer. Now they are closed.



Felt like when I recently enquired about the coo on Matador tools.

Im Jahre 2012 wurde die Saltus-Werk Max Forst GmbH 100% Tochter des internationalen Atlas Copco-Konzerns, der den aktiven Geschäftsbetrieb wegen Unrentabilität zum 1. April 2018 aufgegeben hat.

Der Name "Saltus" wird weiter als Name für Verschraubungswerkzeuge aus dem Hause Atlas Copco verwendet, diese werden allerdings nicht mehr in Solingen produziert.


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[mr.lemons]

^ Interesting. So Saltus tools post 2012 were not made in Germany or is it tools made post 2018? Not sure of the exact translation.

 

[Mike.ASC]

New Stahlwille catalogue 2020-2021

'With more than 390 pages, the catalogue provides many details of our new products, such as our TORSIOTRONIC torque screwdriver and our mini fine-tooth ratchets, in addition to extensive details and numerous illustrations relating to our tool solutions for professionals.'

https://www.stahlwille.de/fileadmin/user_upload/downloads/kataloge/en/stahlwille-katalog-20-en.pdf

Is it possible for me to get a catalog?

 

[mr.lemons]

Not sure if they will have the new catalogue ready to ship out but it says on their website that they are happy to send them out for free if you contact them.

https://www.stahlwille-americas.com/en/downloads/printed-catalogues/

 

[Mike.ASC]

Thanks , didn't see that ....

 

[vssjim]

I bought a Milwaukee High Torque M18 Impact Wrench and it destroyed a Draper socket.

I also bought a Beta steel square. I don't do metal fabrication, but you never know when you will need something like this.

I have older Gedore sockets and I bought some missing sockets but I got the new model.
The quality seems to be lower than the older model.

Any company selling that socket over here would want to replace that socket because of chrome peeling is a risk of getting stuck in somebodies hand. That is what I was told before when I have had that problem the manufacturer told me that was their policy. That Gedore socket looks like it was dirty when plated which is why it peeled so badly.

 

[JBH]

Roundup of recent purchases.

First, I saw this Microfinish variant of the Wiha Dynamic Handle for 6mm blades on eBay with two nutdrivers and a hex blade, and was intrigued. They were NOS but I threw away the packaging before I thought to capture a pic.

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I really bought it just for the handle, which is a good thing because the included blades aren’t very good. I assume Wiha USA had them made here, because they’re not stamped Germany and the finish is sandpapery. The current dimpled System 6 blades are more finely made. Back to the handle, the cap spins just like the hard plastic version, and the blade goes up to where the Microfinish coating starts, or the same depth as the standard plastic version. I’ve been meaning to drill out my standard Dynamic Handle for a while, because it would be useful to have greater blade length range.

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“Phoenix Contact” (Pressmaster MCT) network cable crimp die. Interestingly the top half of the jaw is plastic. I've never seen a plastic crimp die before, though RJ45 crimping is not a very high pressure job.

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I think Pressmaster must have a rule that their part number will remain on rebadged products, because Phoenix Contact's part number is on the back but Pressmaster's standard p/n is on the front.

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When I originally bought the “Facom” MCT set last year I thought I’d see which system I liked best and sell off the less preferred. It did not work out that way. In many respects I prefer Rennsteig/Knipex Crimp System over Pressmaster MCT at a fixed location. Locators are often helpful as well, though they don't have locators for all terminals. However, MCT is hands down superior for use anywhere else: no tools to change dies, and the dies come in interlocking holsters. So Rennsteig stays at the workbench and MCT is in an L-BOXX Mini to go. Those dies, by the way, are “Facom,” “Gedore,” and now “Phoenix Contact.” One might be "Wiha" as well.

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Last, KC Tools “MVP” discount order. Nothing too exciting. Mostly Wera hex plus and SIT (ASSY) bits. I’ve started using Würth ASSY screws for various things, so I thought it time to add the AW10 and AW20 bits to various bit sets. Wera is the only company besides Würth that sells ASSY bits in the US, and their pricing is reasonable. Also picked up a few long Wiha bits. All of these except for the 2.5mm slotted are German. The System 6 bitholder blade is for the new Microfinish Dynamic Handle.

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Also, some pics of tools from my first amazon.co.jp order. Commentary to follow Tools of Japan thread.

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[TjoFrasse]

I think Saltus only made torque tools and everything else was supplied by other companies. Atlas Copco still sells Saltus tools but they´re probably not german since the factory is closed.
The only other companies who sells/sold polished tools i´m aware of are/were Heyco and Belzer.

Interesting that Atlas Copco has consumed them. They have bought up many industrial tool companies.

Edit. Saltus history from Wiki = 1938, the company patented the world's first click-type torque wrench.

Interesting, does anyone know if it's the same base design that's still in use today?

If anyone is interested, here is what I bought:

€75 worth of tools (including €10 shipping).

Some comments:
The water pump pliers are from Otra (or Tracht-Odenthal), and can still be bought. The two clear handle pliers are marked Zangen-Möller, and West Germany. Don't know if they're from before 1990 or just that they kept the print. The black handle pliers have no other markings than seen, and the handles are rubbery and give good grip. A bit of roughness in the joint, probably from storage.

The sockets and related items have no "Made in" before the Germany text, and all items have a shiny chrome finish all over, with clear stamped markings. Except for the 13mm socket, that has laser etched markings and the top is machined. The ratchet is a simple push through design, and very low tooth count. The socket driver has a rubbery handle with green hard plastic.

One thing to note also, the seller claims "Made in Germany" for some items, but not for others. So based on that I would say that the socket items are not made in Germany. (see https://www.mymaw.de/ for that)

 

[Vidar Wulff]

Interesting that Atlas Copco has consumed them. They have bought up many industrial tool companies.



Interesting, does anyone know if it's the same base design that's still in use today?

If anyone is interested, here is what I bought:

€75 worth of tools (including €10 shipping).

Some comments:
The water pump pliers are from Otra (or Tracht-Odenthal), and can still be bought. The two clear handle pliers are marked Zangen-Möller, and West Germany. Don't know if they're from before 1990 or just that they kept the print. The black handle pliers have no other markings than seen, and the handles are rubbery and give good grip. A bit of roughness in the joint, probably from storage.

The sockets and related items have no "Made in" before the Germany text, and all items have a shiny chrome finish all over, with clear stamped markings. Except for the 13mm socket, that has laser etched markings and the top is machined. The ratchet is a simple push through design, and very low tooth count. The socket driver has a rubbery handle with green hard plastic.

One thing to note also, the seller claims "Made in Germany" for some items, but not for others. So based on that I would say that the socket items are not made in Germany. (see https://www.mymaw.de/ for that)

Hi Your assumptions on the sockets are correct. Some years ago i got suspicious when i bought a socket 1/4 socket set,my thoughts back then you can find here:https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28952&page=1007 Back then i did email saltus about coo,but i did not get a reply from them. The first that i noticed was the crv instead om chrom vanadium,not thupical for german tools. Also the font the crv was written in was different from the rest text on the sockets. Also there is a discussion between me and Dave455 somewhere about the ratcheting wrenches. In my head laser printed markings are never a good sign. So when it comes to coo on late saltus tools,i dont trust them.

 

[Monte]

Monte... You could make mistake... Can you?

Nope

Confused now. If the Saltus spanner set is rebranded Heyco or similar then seems like a good deal.

....Somebody has to buy it.............

Guess we will have to wait for opinion of Lord himself, Monte. If he does not know, this set is impossible to exist - it is just a marketing trick, nice photo or even worse... It is collective illusion

it´s a fata morgana

He wasn’t sure about my wrench so Lord and Master of all Tools European he ain’t. [emoji12]

Time to retire

I haven’t been back to the industrial supplier but here is part of their monthly sales leaflet.

Those prices

^ Interesting. So Saltus tools post 2012 were not made in Germany or is it tools made post 2018? Not sure of the exact translation.

maybe a slow transition ?

Some comments:
The water pump pliers are from Otra (or Tracht-Odenthal), and can still be bought.

the combination pliers too










Bosch GSR 12V-15

 

[mr.lemons]

If anyone is interested, here is what I bought

You create some very interesting images from the relatively simple arrangement of tools. Lots of details to look at. Very cool.

 

[measuredtwice]

Wera 2020 Easter Egg. Another opportunity to pick up the 822 bit holder from the 2017 Advent Calender and the Wacken Set. I'd like to see them offer the 822 as a regular catalog item.

 

[rice rocket]

Hmm, that's really useful. Are the Micro Vario bits usually available as well?

 

[mr.lemons]

Where can you purchase the Wera 2020 Easter Egg from?

Amazon uk has them.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B082323KD9/?tag=atomicindustr-21

 

[measuredtwice]

Those eggs are actually famous. It's not just the equivalent of a cardboard box. Buying the egg filled with candy from William Sonoma cost $30 --> https://www.williams-sonoma.com/products/classic-easter-small-mache-egg/ You can also buy just the eggs and fill them yourself. It's not something that interests me but I have a family member that buys the eggs every year.

I've only seen the 822 in photos. But I have the fixed precision drivers and like the handle shape so I'd like to have the 822.

I already have the other bit holder (813) and it is so tiny that it's almost a novelty. Some may find it handy to keep in a pocket. Might also be good for hard to reach fasteners. I paired it with 1" insert bits. All magnetic holders have a bit of play and it will be more noticeable on the longer 2" power bits sold with the Easter set. Not bad but not ideal imho.

 

[Kedukettu]

Interesting that Atlas Copco has consumed them. They have bought up many industrial tool companies.



Interesting, does anyone know if it's the same base design that's still in use today?

If anyone is interested, here is what I bought:

€75 worth of tools (including €10 shipping).

Some comments:
The water pump pliers are from Otra (or Tracht-Odenthal), and can still be bought. The two clear handle pliers are marked Zangen-Möller, and West Germany. Don't know if they're from before 1990 or just that they kept the print. The black handle pliers have no other markings than seen, and the handles are rubbery and give good grip. A bit of roughness in the joint, probably from storage.

The sockets and related items have no "Made in" before the Germany text, and all items have a shiny chrome finish all over, with clear stamped markings. Except for the 13mm socket, that has laser etched markings and the top is machined. The ratchet is a simple push through design, and very low tooth count. The socket driver has a rubbery handle with green hard plastic.

One thing to note also, the seller claims "Made in Germany" for some items, but not for others. So based on that I would say that the socket items are not made in Germany. (see https://www.mymaw.de/ for that)

I have seen this kind of wp pliers Stahlwille branded also, with old style logo.

 

[Kedukettu]

And here is some older Saltus tools i found.

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[mr.lemons]

Stahlwille 'Flexible Rod System' torque wrench.

In contrast to conventional torque wrenches, it is not necessary to reset the wrench to zero after each job to unload the spring.

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