16again
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Where did you find this?
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Where did you find this?
Kasal
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Wow! Did you get it new or used?
Nice set!
I was given one from Knipex a while ago also. It's a really neat little thing, but I did wish they had it in 160mm.
alcorelli
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It was a rare trip to ebay. Was about 2 hrs away. The previous owner was selling off some extra tools and this was in the mix.
It is in almost like new condition. No scratches, dents. Just a smudge or two on the wood top. Perfectly acceptable to me.
He gave me a very good deal on some other wrenches and a long ratchet.
Was a great guy to deal with.
He had two really cool cars that were kept pristine as well.
Really nice guy, too.
There was another one closer but in worse shape (and more $). Glad I chose this.
Problem is, I don't want to fill it with tools, it is so nice!
I have an old Japanese copy, called a Caddy that I use. It is in serviceable condition, but could use a refresh.
Come to find out that the Caddys have a bit of a following.
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This T is pretty cool
Anyone know who is selling it ?
https://mcusercontent.com/f20751bd4ececc5971f45c8a5/images/183d68f1-ef7c-4380-96f1-0f3ae39cb7b3.png
Anyone know who is selling it ?
https://mcusercontent.com/f20751bd4ececc5971f45c8a5/images/183d68f1-ef7c-4380-96f1-0f3ae39cb7b3.png
I'm so jealous!
https://knipexfans.shop/Bekleidung/Special-Edition/1882er-Unisex-T-Shirt.html
But I think you have to be in Germany to buy...
They are definity a bit smaller than I'm used to. I handled the same pliers but with the normal red grips a while ago and disregarded them due to them feeling to small in my hand but find they work well with comfort grips and fill my hand enough for them to feel about right. Used them only a couple of times so far and actually really like them. Think they will work well as general purpose combination pliers. I wonder if they would flex too much if they were longer.
Comparison.
One thing that sets off my OCD is wondering why the jaws are not symmetrical. They are all the same so it's part of the design I think.
Jokari Super 4 Plus wire strippers.
Was a toss up between these or Weicon which look very similar and are also made in Germany. These were a little cheaper. From first impressions I wish I had purchased them years ago. They are plastic so may not last forever but they work great are a really easy to use.
Made in Germany
I fairly recently bought a pair of Rennsteig (Knipex 12 12 02) strippers which are very well made but awkward to use as you have to line up the wire to the correct part of the blade so I went back to using some cheapo automatic strippers. I assume most people here will have used them under one brand or another. The Jokari work a little better as they can strip thinner wires.
Example of wires that the cheapos could not strip but Jokari can. (USB cable)
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Yes, the comfort handles makes them ok, but I still would like more. The jaw design is intentional as you say. It's one of the brilliant things about them even. The jaws have a three point of contact profile, so that if you grab something flat you get a much better grip. Try it compared to a normal needle nose!
I agree, the Jokari nr 4 is so good for the price!
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I ordered the jokari strippers last year. They are foolproof and made wiring up a new bath fan dead simple. Sold me the first time I used them. Everyone should add them to their next Amazon.de order. Speaking of order add ons.....when is the cobra xs coming out? Knipex said spring 2020.
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Jokari Super 4 Plus wire strippers.
They are plastic so may not last forever but they work great are a really easy to use.
For the money, nothing compares. I narrowly prefer Pressmaster Embla with PTFE (Blue body, V shaped) blades but Jokari works very well. I was impressed that it could strip 26AWG wires in a Mogami snake without issues.
Some Facom gear.
Those quickly became my favorite (straight) combis. They’re usefully sized and the spring assist works well.
Reed Prince
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I bought a Jokari 20100 a little while ago but it had a hard time stripping the inner conductor of a shielded test lead cable this week. My 20 year old Mini-Stripax did the job, so I'm back to using them for small wires.
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Anybody have an idea what this vintage J.A. Henckels knife is for?
It's a very fine spear point - two bevels on each side. Blade thickness is .065". Handle is 6", total blade length 9 1/2". The Zwillingswerk logo apparently dates 1900-1970.
A lot of people think it's a marking knife, but I've never seen a marking knife with 4 bevels and such a narrow tip angle.
Along those lines, does anyone know what a German marking knife looks like? Seems like most of the ones we see in the US are from the British tradition.
Finaly, does anyone know where to find old Henckels catalogs? The only thing I could find was a limited brochure from 1933.
Lots of questions - thanks for reading!
Looks like a mill knife to me. I have several Hyde mill knives. Very handy and tough
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I emailed KC tool about the cobra xs pliers, and they said they would have stock on June 5th. Just FYI for anyone interested.
Bought these Makita Straight Shears (JS1300) and Nibblers (JN1601) today. Both Made in Japan.
Have some further corrugated iron cutting to do, so thought I would make like easier for myself and retire the Gilbows to small jobs.
The nibblers in particular are surprisingly smooth. They shed shards like nail clippings.
Have some further corrugated iron cutting to do, so thought I would make like easier for myself and retire the Gilbows to small jobs.
The nibblers in particular are surprisingly smooth. They shed shards like nail clippings.
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I like nibblers too!
I can remember using one for the first time - wow!
Glad to see both tools are Japanese made.
Most of the better Makita stuff seems to be made somewhere decent.
dutchgray
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View media item 103831PB Swiss interchangeable nut driver set, got this from Ebay, its actually nos PB Baumann on the pouch.
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Nice Swiss Made stuff.
Hollow shaft ?
Hollow shaft ?
I posted a while ago about being disappointed with my Stahlwille spanners. I was surprised to find them to be soft as it conflicted with what mostly everyone else says about them. A recent post referenced the 13mm wrench test post where Stahlwille tested to have comparatively high Rockwell hardness so I wanted to take another look.
I made a video, not supposed to be proof of anything. Anyone who thinks 'test to fail' type vids have no value please just skip this to save any frustration.
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I made a video, not supposed to be proof of anything. Anyone who thinks 'test to fail' type vids have no value please just skip this to save any frustration.
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measuredtwice
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Nice demonstration. I can see how easily the Stahlwille slips. I'm only at the 5min mark so I may not have gotten to it yet... Did you measure the exact size of the opening on each of the wrenches that you tested as well as the exact size of the hex key? Might be multiple things contributing.
Edit: Finished watching the video. That Toptul slipped fast! Your description of the elasticity of the Snap-On suggests that the Snap-On steel has a better yield strength than some of the other brands that stayed deformed after the testing.
That L-key doesn't want to budge --hahaha!
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aidin iran
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' Hi, I say.
I'm aidin, 32, of Iran.
I have a great interest in the old and old wrenches.
I will leave you some pictures of what I have.
I'm aidin, 32, of Iran.
I have a great interest in the old and old wrenches.
I will leave you some pictures of what I have.
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dutchgray
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The intermediate diameter section is hollow.
They are actually two pieces welded together, which I did not expect.
Your description of the elasticity of the Snap-On suggests that the Snap-On steel has a better yield strength than some of the other brands that stayed deformed after the testing.
That L-key doesn't want to budge --hahaha!
I really don't know anything about metal properties. Just read about tensile and yield strength. Jaws on the Snap on sprung back and it was the only spanner that still looked like new after slipping off the allen key multiple times but the tensile strength was comparatively low. I guess it's a reasonable compromise for durability.
Clearly there is more to useable tool strength than just hardness. If Stahlwille spanners really do have high Rockwell hardness then in this case Rockwell hardness seemed to have little relevance to how the tools performed which is confusing.
My mission is to loosen that key one day.
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measuredtwice
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I really don't know anything about metal properties. Just read about tensile and yield strength. Jaws on the Snap on sprung back and it was the only spanner that still looked like new after slipping off the allen key multiple times but the tensile strength was comparatively low. I guess it's a reasonable compromise for durability.
Clearly there is more to useable tool strength than just hardness. If Stahlwille spanners really do have high Rockwell hardness then in this case Rockwell hardness seemed to have little relevance to how the tools performed which is confusing.
My mission is to loosen that key one day.
Hardness seems to get a lot of attention for some reason. Higher hardness isn't always best. There's definitely a balance. If the hardness is too low it will be too soft. And if the hardness is too high it will be brittle. In brief, the yield strength is resistance to deformation, the tensile strength is resistance to breakage, and the hardness is the resistance to penetration. There are lots of other important considerations. Even the chrome plating requires careful development otherwise even good steel can suffer hydrogen embrittlement.
It was nice to see direct comparisons and it'll be interesting to see what you end up deciding on for the full set.
Mr Lemons, thanks for vid. Wondered whether you were gonna smash your knuckles when that Stahlwille slipped! Pleased with my Hazet, even more so having watched vid.
Just picked up a set of Hazet 600Lg which are a bit longer than their normal 600 range, could be worth a look next?
Just picked up a set of Hazet 600Lg which are a bit longer than their normal 600 range, could be worth a look next?
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They're in great shape, nice!
pizza
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i'm wondering if it could also be a geometry issue. maybe those Stahlwille wrenches have a bigger opening too? it would have been nice to see some measurements with calipers or something in the video before they got deformed/chewed through (ab)use.
Good Grief. The Allen key would seem to be NOT metric. When you slip the open ender on, there is already an obvious clearance angle and engagement on about only half the face.
I didn't get beyond that point. Brutality and misfitting seems to be the norm, given the chewed up jaws at the start of the vid.
Dave455
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Very very interesting!
I started buying Stahlwille, probably about 15-20 years ago. Britool was rubbish by then, and I could only afford a little Snap On.
The only reason I went for it, is that my Dad had some older Stahlwille, and it had obviously lasted well. I’ve shown one of his wrenches from the 70’s. Popular size, and I know he used it a lot, but no damage.
I bought Stahlwille metric sockets, they have been my ‘go to’ pretty much since, and they have been fine. I bought some ‘23’ ring spanners / box end wrenches (also fine) and some ‘10’ open enders. (seem to have been o.k. - but I don’t make big demands on them)
I also had a few ‘13’ combination wrenches in my ‘road box’’, and had a very similar experience to you (I think with the same size 10mm) when trying to slacken some square tool post bolts.
Odd thing is, you see a fair bit of Stahlwille in the aerospace world. But... look closely. It’s not the same. If they are using a combination wrench, it’s not a ‘13’, but a ‘130’. Not a ‘23’ ring spanner, but a ‘230’. These ‘aircraft grade’’ tools are readily available, but at much higher price....
A few years ago, I started to see Stahlwille really cheap on their ‘extra’ promotions. I must admit I bought a bit, but did have some doubts - it was too cheap! About the same time, I started buying Hazet. Can’t really tell you why, I didn’t believe there was much difference in quality, I just liked the feel of it. My ‘road box’ is almost exclusively Hazet now.
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Dave, this is old, as a world, question, but I have to ask: is Hazet better? Just your opinion... We all have own preferences, mine is Wille, but this is interesting that you gave as an explanation, extra 0 for aircrafft grade tools. May be something in it.
Also, that cheapness of Wille - there were some thoughts on originality and quality issues
Also, that cheapness of Wille - there were some thoughts on originality and quality issues
Dave455
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Tough question!
5 years ago, I would have said ‘no real difference’, only the finish.
Today, as regards sockets and accessories, I think I would still say the same.
But wrenches? My No. 23 Stahlwille wrenches have been fine, and I use them regularly, but I too have doubts about the open end of the No.13. I wondered at the time if I used too much force, but I think not.
The aircraft grade tools are obviously very good, but if I am paying that money I might as well buy Snap On. It’s worth noting that they don’t have an ‘aircraft grade’ as their regular wrenches meet all the specs.
So I think, as regards wrenches, I will continue to favour Hazet if I Buy German wrenches! Their tools seem to be geared towards automotive and industrial use, which is mostly what I do, and I like the designs. I have total confidence in them.
Of course, I have Snap On, older British made, and Japanese tools around too, so I’m not dedicated to one make!
Good grief to you too.
The spanners are chewed up due to doing this test previously. The Stahlwille spanner tested was brand new yet unfortunately performed worse than damaged spanners from other brands. I'm interested to find out why.
The slipping could be something to do with fitment/clearance rather than just strength. Would raise the question, do Stahlwille make spanners with more clearance than other brands and if they do what is the reason for doing so?
The allen key is 10mm metric.
Dave455
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Folks - we all understand that a hex wrench will be a little undersized compared to a nut. It’s designed to fit inside a 10mm recess and there has to be some clearance, much the same way as a wrench has to be a little oversized!
However, a hex wrench is, or should be, fairly hard, so it’s a good test piece.
More importantly, the test that mr.lemons carried out was comparative. Yes, a hex wrench is a little undersized, but it was the same for every wrench. The Stahlwille slipped, the Facom less so, and the Hazet not really.
You can carry out all varieties of scientific tests, but most of the figures are not that meaningful unless you are really into them. What I learnt was what I wanted, which is how easily the different open ends deform, how easily they slip, and how easily they get damaged, under normal hand applied force!
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However, a hex wrench is, or should be, fairly hard, so it’s a good test piece.
More importantly, the test that mr.lemons carried out was comparative. Yes, a hex wrench is a little undersized, but it was the same for every wrench. The Stahlwille slipped, the Facom less so, and the Hazet not really.
You can carry out all varieties of scientific tests, but most of the figures are not that meaningful unless you are really into them. What I learnt was what I wanted, which is how easily the different open ends deform, how easily they slip, and how easily they get damaged, under normal hand applied force!
Question answered!
dutchgray
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Interesting test mr.lemons
I must admit I have had no problems with any of my Stahlwille combo spanners but I also don't heavily load open ends if I can help it, have never actually spread one myself, but I do prefer to use my set of Facom 440.
I don't believe any of the European mechanics tool brands are making tools to the quality they once did.
I have some old Stahlwille spanners that I have picked up at carboots, many have obviously been well used but they have held up well.
I must admit I have had no problems with any of my Stahlwille combo spanners but I also don't heavily load open ends if I can help it, have never actually spread one myself, but I do prefer to use my set of Facom 440.
I don't believe any of the European mechanics tool brands are making tools to the quality they once did.
I have some old Stahlwille spanners that I have picked up at carboots, many have obviously been well used but they have held up well.
garfieldzzz
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My experience is that the Stahlwille 13 are not much better than the Hazet but thinner and smaller. So i would go for the Stahlwille all day long. I own the 13 and the 14. the 14 are much stronger than the 13.
Sockets from Stahlwille are much better in my opinion as mentioned they are smaller in diameter as well as a nicer overall finish. The fit is similar to Hazet.
Sockets from Stahlwille are much better in my opinion as mentioned they are smaller in diameter as well as a nicer overall finish. The fit is similar to Hazet.
What made you come to this conclusion please?
Good grief to you too.
The spanners are chewed up due to doing this test previously. The Stahlwille spanner tested was brand new yet unfortunately performed worse than damaged spanners from other brands. I'm interested to find out why.
The slipping could be something to do with fitment/clearance rather than just strength. Would raise the question, do Stahlwille make spanners with more clearance than other brands and if they do what is the reason for doing so?
The allen key is 10mm metric.
This is interesting, my New Bondhus 10mm allen key made in usa is 10.00 mm exact measured with digi caliper. And also new taiwanese made was 9.97. Stahlwille 13 10mm was 10.10mm measured.
I`ve seen some test in youtube iirc where 13 series got similar results with gedore wrenches. Not the best in line but decent imo. Added lenght with 14 series, combinated with little undersized allen key... I have a whole set of SW 13 combination wrenches at everyday use and i havent seen any deformations yet. Might use them little bit careful now on.
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