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Thanks for responding to me

May I ask you a few more things:

Currently, Hoffmann sells three types of screwdrivers:

The first is Garant screwdriver (PB Swiss OEM)

The second is a PB Swiss screwdriver with the logo of the Hoffmann printed

The third is a regular PB Swiss screwdriver

Is there a quality difference between them?

I find the quality control on the Garant screwdriver looks inferior

I got both and cant really spot a difference, the Garant ones also do have the PB serial number on the shank, size and feel is the same. Just a different colour
The PB screwdrivers just have the Hoffmann Partnumber and label printed, but they are the same.
 
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Latest ChrisCas video got me looking for pliers wrench alternatives. Spotted these from Virax. They don't look anything special, but I'm happy to see what may be lower cost alternatives becoming available.

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The above pliers look Taiwan to me, but Virax pliers and screwdrivers look to be mostly Bost. Assuming these 'Cobras' are Bost.

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Latest ChrisCas video got me looking for pliers wrench alternatives. Spotted these from Virax. They don't look anything special, but I'm happy to see what may be lower cost alternatives becoming available.

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The above pliers look Taiwan to me, but Virax pliers and screwdrivers look to be mostly Bost. Assuming these 'Cobras' are Bost.

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I believe Virax may now be owned by Rothenberger.
( I presume Stanley sold them after acquiring Facom)

If so, the pliers might be manufactured in Spain, were Rothenberger owns Super-Ego. Super Ego in Spain seems to manufacture Rothenberger pipe wrenches, pliers, pipe cutters, and some other Rothenberger items.
Otherwise it might be Asian, although all the Rothenberger items I’ve gotten have been made in Europe or the USA, although in Europe, not always Germany.
I’ve seen complaints about “Asian” Rothenberger tools online, but I think they were mostly on a UK tool forum.
 

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Here’s my German lineup for electrical handtools. Knipex imo is hands down the best. The new wire strippers are absolutely fantastic!
 

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I have some made by VBW that are very nice, my favorites, even over the Knipex. Gedore makes some good ones too. I have all 3, have every size Knipex. They are very handy and do their job very well. The VBW are not very easy to find last I looked. Took 6 mos to get mine from amazon. Worth the wait
 

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I have some made by VBW that are very nice, my favorites, even over the Knipex. Gedore makes some good ones too. I have all 3, have every size Knipex. They are very handy and do their job very well. The VBW are not very easy to find last I looked. Took 6 mos to get mine from amazon. Worth the wait

The Stahlwille are identical, apart from being green, as all their pliers are made by VBW. In fact, I think VBW have been bought by Stahlwille. I own a pair of 12 inch, which I only got because they were on a deal and the price of the 12 inch Knipex seemed to be creeping up!
 

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VBW has the flat jaws, they don't have the torque multiplication though, which is what makes the pliers wrench design successful.
 

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VBW has the flat jaws, they don't have the torque multiplication though, which is what makes the pliers wrench design successful.


What do you mean?

I own all three (PW from 5-6-7-10”, VBW Powergrip in 7-10-12, Gedore 10”) and functionally they all seem the same to me. Powergrip is slightly better balanced than the others to me because the fork is on the front handle.
 

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Regarding the comments a few pages before:
SAM tools are decent quality (at least). I worked, when I graduated, few years as a mechanic in a large plant. We all had rolling cabinets from SAM. I never broke a tool (used them hard but correctly), and I can't recall of collegues to break one of theirs either.
I distinctly remember the fine finish/appearance of the tools. I wouldn't hesitate to buy those for myself, but I don't know their proice setting ...
 

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Anyone know if Sam Outillage still manufactures anything? Their website says that they manufacture tools, but I'm not sure if that's history now?

Also, from their website... 'SAM' is said to come from 'Uncle Sam.' Showing respect to the US for supplying aid to France in the 1st World War.
 

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Anyone know if Sam Outillage still manufactures anything? Their website says that they manufacture tools, but I'm not sure if that's history now?

Also, from their website... 'SAM' is said to come from 'Uncle Sam.' Showing respect to the US for supplying aid to France in the 1st World War.

Not sure.

I’ve seen quite a few SAM tools in the past. The quality always struck me as being very good, although I found the finish to be variable. SAM manufactured a lot of tools for French government contracts, so it might have been those that had a more basic finish.

A friend who worked on military vehicles used to rate SAM highly, but I believe he sourced them in France, and generally surplus, so the prices he was paying were very reasonable fir the quality. SAM seemed to manufacture a huge range of wrenches, including some superb forged box spanners.

I have hardly seen any in the last few years, and very few for sale (despite the internet) which leads me to suspect availability is not great. If they started outsourcing, then that could have pretty much finished them off, as others could do that better. And I can’t see the French government buying tools that were not French made!
 
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I think all their sockets and spanners are outsourced. Could be wrong though. I probably read it on here at some point. I get the impression they are still respected as being good quality, but again that's just from reading forums. Maybe they still manufacture some specialist tools.
 

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Bought another Facom 10X100 as I want to keep one clean to use on camera gear.

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New one should be called 10X90 as it's 10mm shorter.

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They have the same handles, but the second one has shiny chrome rather than satin and different tooling marks. Maybe the metal parts came from two different factories.

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I think all their sockets and spanners are outsourced. Could be wrong though. I probably read it on here at some point. I get the impression they are still respected as being good quality, but again that's just from reading forums. Maybe they still manufacture some specialist tools.

The 50 series combo wrenches were stamped "France" on their website. They have a lower cost combo wrench that doesn't have that.

That also assumes the website pics are up to date.
 

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The 50 series combo wrenches were stamped "France" on their website. They have a lower cost combo wrench that doesn't have that.

That also assumes the website pics are up to date.

The spanners stamped with France on the website have 'no longer marketed' or 'no longer sold' in the info. 50N look to be the current metric combo spanners. As said, I could be completely wrong. :dunno:


These are supposedly great for camera tie-down screws.

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I did consider the PB Swiss, but really like the look and feel of the Facom. I'm not normally a fan of acetate handles, but the Facom are just nice. :p
 

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Looks like PB Swiss inspired the screwdriver that saved the world in The Mitchells vs. the Machines.

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Hello everyone,

I've been reading without posting for a few years, this topic is a real goldmine of information, thank you all for that!
I may help a bit here...

Anyone know if Sam Outillage still manufactures anything? Their website says that they manufacture tools, but I'm not sure if that's history now?

Also, from their website... 'SAM' is said to come from 'Uncle Sam.' Showing respect to the US for supplying aid to France in the 1st World War.

Sam still manufactures (many? I think) things. They still make spanners/wrenches, 350000 a year in Saint-Étienne according to the 2018 catalogue. I have attached pictures of some combination spanners, for instance -- sorry for the quality of the pictures (lighting, background, blur...). There are four kinds of "standard" combination wrenches in the catalogue : the newest, the 50N, which the 2018 catalogue sells as thin, the older 50A (shiny) and 51A (satin) that are said to be inexpensive, and the 50 which is inexpensive and in imperial sizes. I have sets of 50, of 50A, one 51A, and one 50N, all quite new: I bought them in the last three years and have not used them much yet. My 50N is only a 7 mm, so I don't know the feeling of bigger sizes in hand, but I do like the shape of the 50N a lot. The chrome surface on mine has a strange starry pattern, probably a plating defect, but it makes it more beautiful.

On their website, the 50 (individual and sets) are indeed marked as discontinued (didn't know that! thank you mr.lemons), and not the 50N, which are also made in France, according to my sample and online sellers. 50/51 series are still in stock in some places, so it must be a recent move. I hope they are just focusing on these and not stopping spanner production altogether... Well that would really be surprising.
 

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.... There are four kinds of "standard" combination wrenches in the catalogue : the newest, the 50N, which the 2018 catalogue sells as thin, the older 50A (shiny) and 51A (satin) that are said to be inexpensive, and the 50 which is inexpensive and in imperial sizes....
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Thank you for taking the trouble to post that information.

The different part numbers (and prices) accounts for the variation in finish that I have seen over the years.

I saw some beautiful SAM “socket spanners” some years back, I think they were the ones shown below. The design was definitely different to the Facom, and the quality was first class.

Given that the Facom ones are now made in Taiwan, these could be of interest. In fact, anything of quality is potentially of interest!
 

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Excellent that they are still made in France. Thanks for the info. Wish their tools were more readily available in the UK. Looks like Amazon UK stopped stocking a lot of Sam tools a few months ago. Would like to try their offset combination spanners.

Strange choice to have 'France' written on the underside of the 50N spanners, so it's not visible on any marketing images.
 

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Wish their tools were more readily available in the UK. Looks like Amazon UK stopped stocking a lot of Sam tools a few months ago. Would like to try their offset combination spanners.

There are actually quite a few on U.K. Amazon, but you have to search for “SAM outillage” (SAM Tools) and you find them.

For some of the tools it looks like there is only one size stocked, but if you click on that tool it brings up options for sizes.

If you do get any, please report back and let us know what you think.

It’s a shame that SAM don’t have an online supplier that carries the full range, much like TBS do for Hazet, or Mister Worker for USAG.
 

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Can only find 7mm and 8mm spanners in stock. One of each :(

I see what you mean. It looks like there’s a lot, but mostly out of stock.

Of the socket spanners, there are no sets whatsoever.

There’s got to be a better option. Maybe an e mail to SAM would be worthwhile?
 

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Thank you for taking the trouble to post that information.

The different part numbers (and prices) accounts for the variation in finish that I have seen over the years.

I saw some beautiful SAM “socket spanners” some years back, I think they were the ones shown below. The design was definitely different to the Facom, and the quality was first class.

Given that the Facom ones are now made in Taiwan, these could be of interest. In fact, anything of quality is potentially of interest!

They used to have a system with stars rating the quality/range: *, **, ***, ****, maybe *****, but they gave it up some time ago (2000s maybe?).

All Sam socket wrenches are made in France, I think. They are available in 6x6 and 6x12, shiny or satin chrome, but not imperial sizes, only metric. The catalogue says they take 2x the standard's torque (need to find how much is that...), they do look and feel strong.

I took pictures of them too, earlier... The top one, a 94SD, is three years old or so, while the two middle ones are Vanatub from previous generations (with star rating), the first one, a 90, is not very old, 1990s to 2000s I'd say, and the other, 1950s to 1960s? There is a picture of the Vanatub page from the 1959 catalogue on their website, in the "history" section (sorry, can't include links or linked pictures yet).

They also used to do and still do "non through-hole" socket wrenches in bigger sizes. I suspect this style comes from Lauravia (at least for them), a manufacturer they bought in 1970. I have seen some of this style bent.

The last one is a "tube wrench" ("clé en tube") no. 86, with a specific style. It is not marked with France, which I find a bit surprising, since I have never seen this style outside of Sam and Facom, and it has existed for a long time. Maybe it is made in France but not marked...

Facom had the same ones, called no. 92, marked France, but has replaced it with another style. Expert/Stanley Expert/Expert by Facom/Pastorino/Tona/... seems to sell the same new style, and more surpringly, Unior too (no 217/2).

Maybe it is made by Unior, or maybe Italian, or Taiwanese... Maybe the all-hex shape was manufactured by Sam for Facom. Don't know why Facom gave it up, I think people like the all-hex shape better... You can put small ones in big ones and grind them up while keeping the internal hex shape.

I have just checked, some sizes of the 86 have been discontinued by Sam (3.2, 26, 29)... Looks like they are optimizing production.

I can take more detailed pictures of something if someone wants it.
 

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Strange choice to have 'France' written on the underside of the 50N spanners, so it's not visible on any marketing images.

I see what you mean. It looks like there’s a lot, but mostly out of stock.

Of the socket spanners, there are no sets whatsoever.

There’s got to be a better option. Maybe an e mail to SAM would be worthwhile?

I feel many French tool manufacturers -- excepted Facom -- are bad with marketing, and even more with selling their tools. Old or non-existant websites, not enough information, unclear catalogues... They probably rely on their traditional distribution channels. And then there is the game of who does what where and subcontracting, of course.

There are actually quite a few on U.K. Amazon, but you have to search for “SAM outillage” (SAM Tools) and you find them.

For some of the tools it looks like there is only one size stocked, but if you click on that tool it brings up options for sizes.

If you do get any, please report back and let us know what you think.

It’s a shame that SAM don’t have an online supplier that carries the full range, much like TBS do for Hazet, or Mister Worker for USAG.

On amazons, you can also search with "Rodac". I know at least one website that has a major part of Sam's catalogue if not all, but they don't have all in stock and I don't know if they deliver outside France. The search results and categories are a bit random, too, but with part numbers it's alright. The website is Bati-avenue. They also sell most/all of Mob's catalogue.
Some others carrying Sam (but also not sure about international orders): Bricozor, Manutan, RS (at least the French RS), Otelo.
 
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Mob is another company where COO is a bit of a mystery to me. I think they manufacture in France and Germany, but I'm not sure if they mostly outsource or not for things like spanners and sockets. They have some interesting looking tools.

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New and old, both from the Czech Republic.
Four speed Festool (Protool) 18V drill

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Plus 27, 30 and 32mm long pattern Garant wrenches, which are in fact Stahlwille no. 14 with minor differences but also made in Germany. I wanted to complete the set from 10-24 no. 14 but had to save a bit.
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Mob is another company where COO is a bit of a mystery to me. I think they manufacture in France and Germany, but I'm not sure if they mostly outsource or not for things like spanners and sockets. They have some interesting looking tools.

MOB is originally an old forge from Chambon-Feugerolle (near Saint-Étienne, the tool city). Their hammers are from there, and very well-regarded around here. Wrekking/crowfoot bars are from this factory too, I think. Over time, they bought many other tool makers, famous ones are:
- Talabot, a file maker (from Saint-Juéry, like Auriou). MOB have closed the original factory. I read that they have sold the production machines from the original factory to India. It seems MOB set up a joint venture ("JK Talabot") with JK Files & Tools (apparently the world biggest manufacturer of files and rasps) in 2005, when they closed the Talabot factory in France. So their files may be made in India (there is a blurry picture of a factory in the 2018 catalogue, could be a lead...). I have one of their files, and it has a pretty good quality, not comparable with the cheapest at least.

- Peddinghaus, a German hammer maker. So, some of the MOB hammers must be made in Germany... XStriker models, maybe? This part is not very clear.

- There are also Magnat vises, that may have come from Peddinghaus. Or maybe they bought them separately. Don't know if they are still made in Germany.

- IUS from Romania, a wrench (and pliers and screwdrivers?) maker. They have built another factory in Brasov, which they like to brag about. Their wrenches, pliers, screwdrivers, sockets, torque tools, storage elements come from there. Some other tools too ( chisels). I remember reading here that the quality of wrenches decreased from the old IUS days.

- Roger Mondelin, who makes tools for plaster, panels installation, building tools in general. All made in France I think.

- Schröder from Germany, who makes screwdriving bits, extractors, and good-looking tap wrenches. Still made in Germany I think.

- Leborgne from France, a forge making gardening, forestry, construction tools. Pretty expensive tools, all made in France I think.

They bought other smaller manufacturers too, making cold chisels, leather/rubber punches, wood chisels, trowels, wooden mallets.

The products in their 2018 catalogue are accompanied with little pictures with "Made in France", "Made by MOB", "Created by MOB", and some tools have nothing. For spanners/wrenches, most things are "Made by MOB", but not ratcheting wrenches (imported from Taiwan?), socket wrenches ("Created by MOB"), and adjustables (one "Created" and patented, and others, generic-looking, without anything).

For some reason it seems that they forgot to apply these categories to some sections spanner/wrenches: screwdrivers and pliers are not marked as made by MOB in the catalogue although other parts of the website clearly indicate that. I think they also may not apply the "Made in france".

One thing I wonder about is their hacksaw, they say it has "probably" the highest tension of them all (190 kg).
 

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Hello dear forum users! If there are some of you who are versed in the hand tool Gedore, can you clarify something?
Gedore has pliers, "German model" series 8210
On the manufacturer's website there is information that this model has an "Lay-on cutter box"
What does this mean? Is the cutting block a different, stronger alloy soldered to the tool? Or is the cutting block also part of the casting, but additionally hardened by high frequency currents?
"Lay-on" means that another alloy has been soldered to the tool, or just because it protrudes above the plane of the tool?
 

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Hello dear forum users! If there are some of you who are versed in the hand tool Gedore, can you clarify something?
Gedore has pliers, "German model" series 8210
On the manufacturer's website there is information that this model has an "Lay-on cutter box"
What does this mean? Is the cutting block a different, stronger alloy soldered to the tool? Or is the cutting block also part of the casting, but additionally hardened by high frequency currents?
"Lay-on" means that another alloy has been soldered to the tool, or just because it protrudes above the plane of the tool?

I'm not sure, but I think they mean that it protrudes from the side. It was common previously on combination pliers but it's more rare currently. It allows for more of a "flush cut" without being an actual flush cut pliers.
 

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It basically means that there is additional material where the cutter sits. They claim its a more heavy duty plier. Has nothing to do with flush cut or special hardening.
 

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Hello dear forum users! If there are some of you who are versed in the hand tool Gedore, can you clarify something?
Gedore has pliers, "German model" series 8210
On the manufacturer's website there is information that this model has an "Lay-on cutter box"
What does this mean? Is the cutting block a different, stronger alloy soldered to the tool? Or is the cutting block also part of the casting, but additionally hardened by high frequency currents?
"Lay-on" means that another alloy has been soldered to the tool, or just because it protrudes above the plane of the tool?

The "lay-on" cutter is circled in this catalog page. Compare the German pattern with the "lay-on" cutter to the Euro pattern pliers shown below it and you will clearly see the difference.

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The "lay-on" cutter is circled in this catalog page. Compare the German pattern with the "lay-on" cutter to the Euro pattern pliers shown below it and you will clearly see the difference.
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I see and saw the difference in design before. I am wondering if the cutting block is a different, stronger alloy that is soldered (fused) into the tool, or is it part of the casting and is simply hardened by high frequency currents. Is it "Lay-on" because it looks like that, or was it really a separate part, before it was attached to the instrument?
 

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MOB is originally an old forge from Chambon-Feugerolle (near Saint-Étienne, the tool city).

Thanks again. I've mostly assumed that if a tool is not stamped/etched/printed with a COO, then it must be from Taiwan or China. Reasoning that a 'desirable' COO adds value, so obviously you would stamp it where everybody can see it, and so unmarked tools must be hiding something. Seems this is not correct at all. Happily this means there are now many more tools I would like to try.
 

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I see and saw the difference in design before. I am wondering if the cutting block is a different, stronger alloy that is soldered (fused) into the tool, or is it part of the casting and is simply hardened by high frequency currents. Is it "Lay-on" because it looks like that, or was it really a separate part, before it was attached to the instrument?

It is all part of the same forging. Same hardness. It was not a separate part. It is not a different alloy fused. It is the German design.
 

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Started looking for pics of pliers with proud cutters to see if there is a visible join line which would suggest that they are separate pieces attached to the pliers and went off on a bit of a tangent.

The Swanstrom carbide cutters of the M-series are an example from the USA. I posted an Ebay deal on them a while back and they were a popular buy on the forum. They are the best flush cutters that I've ever used.
 
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