For the garage. So i can heat grease or wax for underbody coating or heat bearings in a oil bath etc.
Tools from the old world
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neophyte
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Can’t give you feedback, because I don’t own die cast versions, but I researched the Stabila die cast levels, and I seem to recall they weren’t made in Germany.
I think the fie cast might have been made in Hungary or somewhere else in Europe.
This could explain quality differences in reviews, either do to a different assembly line, or different production plant with different machining capabilities.
mobiledynamics
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Both 81 and 83 are printed on the tooling , Made in GER bad on the recent pics I've seen. I have the 81 in torpedo.
I think the -want- for the 81 goes circa 15 years back when I thought about getting a die cast after doing a shower mud job . That same year, I was doing some crete work as work....anyhow, 81 series became NLA in NA.
I wasn't even aware of the 83 series until yesterday when I was pricing out the 81 from overseas.
I'm sure it's a translation issue, but the general negative on the 83 is dirt/debris buildup on the center vial (which I'm not sure what they mean, as the vial is enclosed in itself). But more than 2 reviews have complained about this design flaw, so I suppose it is a issue on the 83 series.
I think the -want- for the 81 goes circa 15 years back when I thought about getting a die cast after doing a shower mud job . That same year, I was doing some crete work as work....anyhow, 81 series became NLA in NA.
I wasn't even aware of the 83 series until yesterday when I was pricing out the 81 from overseas.
I'm sure it's a translation issue, but the general negative on the 83 is dirt/debris buildup on the center vial (which I'm not sure what they mean, as the vial is enclosed in itself). But more than 2 reviews have complained about this design flaw, so I suppose it is a issue on the 83 series.
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Anyone with a Fluke T110, T130, T150, be aware that there has been a recall on any of these made before 2018.
Important Voluntary Recall Information Regarding Fluke T110, T130 and T150 Two-Pole Voltage Testers - Rest of Europe | Fluke
Fluke Corporation has identified a safety issue affecting certain Fluke T110, T130, and T150 Two-Pole Voltage Testers (“T-Pole Testers”). As a precautionary measure, Fluke has decided to voluntarily recall all of these products and provide affected customers with new and improved equivalent...
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I would recommend buying just one to try as Elora have kept to a traditional spanner design, which means, short compared to US spanners and more modern designs. Also, the beams are very thin.
Compared to Facom 440.
Compared to Snap on (which are known for being on the thin side). The difference may not look significant in the photo, but there is a noticeable difference when they are digging into your palm. Maybe not an issue for everyone.
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Bogdan M.
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Not yet. The seller asks 200 Euros for all the tools in my pics. Is it a fair price?
Thank you, maybe I'll buy a couple and see if I like them.I would recommend buying just one to try as Elora have kept to a traditional spanner design, which means, short compared to US spanners and more modern designs. Also, the beams are very thin.
Compared to Facom 440.
Compared to Snap on (which are known for being on the thin side). The difference may not look significant in the photo, but there is a noticeable difference when they are digging into your palm. Maybe not an issue for everyone.
merkyworks
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I would recommend buying just one to try as Elora have kept to a traditional spanner design, which means, short compared to US spanners and more modern designs. Also, the beams are very thin.
Compared to Snap on (which are known for being on the thin side). The difference may not look significant in the photo, but there is a noticeable difference when they are digging into your palm. Maybe not an issue for everyone.
My hands hurt just looking at how thin those Elora’s are, ouch!
Dave455
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Don’t know what prices are like where you are, but I would say very fair! Pay the man!
There are tools there I’ve never even seen before, such as the yellow handled bit driver!
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Bogdan M.
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Thanks!
Private Lugnutz
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I didn't see this answered yet. I'm curious myself. From the Tona Expert website, if I'm interpreting it correctly, it appears to be the same exact situation as FACOM. Are FACOM tools still made local?
EDIT: re-phrasing... are Stanley B&D FACOM tools made in the FACOM facility with FACOM equipment and tooling? If yes. I think the website appears to imply the same for Stanley B&D Tona. But I defer to anyone who actually knows vs. interpreting a website.
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Peddinghaus screw extractor pliers. PZ-59
Seems like this style of pliers is really catching on.
Seems like this style of pliers is really catching on.
garfunkle24
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^Rebadged Engineer PZ-59
Tona is an "Expert" brand now, so the same as the others:
- "Expert" ("by Facom") in France (https://catalogue.expert-by-facom.com/en-fre)
- "Pastorino Expert" in Italy
- "Britool Expert" in the UK
- I remember seeing "Stanley Expert"
- Maybe thers?
It looks like they are now in a phase of simplification, dropping the old brand names to keep only "Expert", and the main Facom catalogue now integrates the Expert stuff.
Expert tools are the mid-level of Stanley B&D: under Facom, over Stanley. Most of it is probably imported from Asia. Some of the imports have been carried from the Bost catalogue (the spanners are identical to Bost, and I have not seen them somewhere else). Some items are made in France, the "true" Bost ones actually: screwdrivers and pliers. That's also the case of Facom pliers.
Maybe some are made in Tona's factories in Czech republic, but then that would be the case across all Expert brand, and probably Facom too.
The online Tona catalogue indicates the provenance of some items... But it's a bit strange: screwdrivers not from France, some allen keys from France but not others... No indication of provenance does not mean it is imported, it seems. I hope they didn't move production.
mr. lemons's ratched does not look like Expert or the former Bost ratchets. I don't know when Stanley bought Tona, but what would have prevented Tona from making chrome-plated tools?
I just went on amazon.fr, found that saw, added it to the cart, and started through checkout. $17 bucks for the saw, and $20 for shipping. At that point I cancelled.
Can you be more specific about other retailers you've tried, or the issues you're having with amazon.fr? I speak a bit of French and would be happy to help.
Figured out the Amazon thing, basically they just needed me to log in. Less VAT, plus shipping, about $40 for 1, $62 for 2, $84 for 3.
Am really enjoying some of the French reviews of other tools too: "Unusable products due to execrable quality. To flee."
Been to a number of french retailers like Leroy Merlin, Bordet, that simply don't have a US shipping option. Even if you register, towards the end of the checkout you get "We are sorry but there is no delivery option for your address" or something to that effect.
upgrading
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Just seen a post on reddit about 'Kinetic customs.' Fancy hand made hammers in Derbyshire, England.
www.kinetic-customs.com
Tools | Kinetic Customs | England
Handcrafted Tools by Kinetic Customs. Created in the heart of the Peak District and shipped internationally
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Just seen a post on reddit about 'Kinetic customs.' Fancy hand made hammers in Derbyshire, England.
Tools | Kinetic Customs | England
Handcrafted Tools by Kinetic Customs. Created in the heart of the Peak District and shipped internationally
nice !!!!
"Jockel" fire extinguisher
upgrading
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Go Autojumbles.
Do they shut down for winter soon ?
Do they shut down for winter soon ?
Dave455
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Depends on the event. I have a couple of local ones that are strictly “fair weather” events and don’t operate in the winter, and there are a couple more that only operate one or twice a year anyway.
Most of the bigger events though, and especially the specialist ones such as the bike jumbles, operate year round.
Many of the exhibitors are not full time traders, and between shows they’re riding or restoring bikes or whatever. Increasingly I find people are not bothering with mail order, ebay or even a website. They just turn up to a particular show, and if you want something, go there and buy it. If you miss it, he’s there next month.
I don’t know about the U.S, but where I am in southern England the whole Covid business definitely caused people to re evaluate things. For many, myself included, the whole work/life balance definitely swung more towards “life” and for a lot of folks auto jumbles are an easy day out.
Still no shortage of shysters selling **** though!
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dutchgray
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Not many autojumbles local to me, we have a couple once annual ones not that I found the time, at least some of the boot sales came back this year but I only made it to one of those.
The work life thing is the opposite for me, there is more work than any one in the trades can get to at the moment, the property market went absolutely mental and the influx of Londoners into all the nice areas has been incredible.
I haven't had a single day off yet this year and won't until we break for Christmas, next year is already completely booked out so will probably be the same.
Half-fast eddie
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Is the 2BA and 4BA the size?Quality wise, probably comparable to the rest, certainly for wrenches.
Most of the wrenches seem to be a matte chrome. Different from the satin Stahlwille, or the part matte part polished that Hazet use, but they seem to be fairly tough.
For some years, here in the U.K, Elora was sold through the agricultural suppliers. I can think of a couple of farm workshops with Elora (or a mixture of Elora and older British) above the bench.
I’ve got a couple of odd wrenches in the bigger metric sizes. Got ‘em used for little money as Elora are less well known than some. Seem to be decent. I own some of the “midget” wrenches too. I can think of a couple of makers who struggle with these but the Elora are nice. Different finish too.
Rbcsci
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My absolute favorite T-handle hex keys ever. USAG from Italy. These have stood up to 20 years of regular use with little or no signs of wear. I really like that the hexes on the short arms are offset by 30 degrees to ensure that you can always get on the bolt. The only problem is that they only come in metric. I'd kill for a matching SAE set.
Dave455
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Yes.
”BA” stands for “British Association” and is the British equivalent of the American “Numbered Series”.
Although the U.K. adopted Unified threads in the 1950’s, the numbered series were never adopted, so BA threads are very common.
They are actually metric threads, a 0BA being 6mm, and each successive size being approximately 10% smaller.
Unlike the U.S. system, where you need to know (for example) that a nut for a No.8 UNF thread will be 11/32”, the BA wrench is just marked with the thread size.
I like the Elora miniature combination wrenches. Many miniature wrenches tend to be either open end or box end, but I use 2 and 4 BA a lot, so prefer both options on the same tool!
Got my replacement volt tester from Fluke (due to recall).
This one was made in the UK. Maybe the first time I've seen 'Country of origin' on a product or packaging. In fact, I'm not sure if I was really aware of the term 'Country of origin' before reading Garage Journal.
I've used a few of these testers now. While they have all worked perfectly well as dual pole testers, this Fluke (along with the recalled one) seem to be the most reliable when used as a single pole tester. I'm far from an expert on these though. Voltage testers at work are all basic, dual pole only.
This one was made in the UK. Maybe the first time I've seen 'Country of origin' on a product or packaging. In fact, I'm not sure if I was really aware of the term 'Country of origin' before reading Garage Journal.
I've used a few of these testers now. While they have all worked perfectly well as dual pole testers, this Fluke (along with the recalled one) seem to be the most reliable when used as a single pole tester. I'm far from an expert on these though. Voltage testers at work are all basic, dual pole only.
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Just picked up a set of Facom 40s and some Facom nut setters from ebay.
Not sure of the history of Facom combination spanners. I assume these were the first to come out of Taiwan, as the 'France' marking is replaced with 'OGV.' Probably makes them the least desirable Facom spanners after the earlier French 40s and the later 440s, but I was curious to try them. The nut setters are magnetic and have removable caps, so the magnets can be cleaned.
Took the Lindstrom pliers apart to clean. C shaped spring inside. Works well, but every time the pliers are put down, the spring opens the handles, and you lose the last used jaw width setting, which can be very annoying.
Not sure of the history of Facom combination spanners. I assume these were the first to come out of Taiwan, as the 'France' marking is replaced with 'OGV.' Probably makes them the least desirable Facom spanners after the earlier French 40s and the later 440s, but I was curious to try them. The nut setters are magnetic and have removable caps, so the magnets can be cleaned.
Took the Lindstrom pliers apart to clean. C shaped spring inside. Works well, but every time the pliers are put down, the spring opens the handles, and you lose the last used jaw width setting, which can be very annoying.
