Tools from the old world

[AutomatiquE]

@Monte, you have good eyes for the different plier locking joint. I didn't notice that. So at least 3 companies maybe, produce this tool.
Concerning torque wrenches, i'm not a big fan too of Hazet's engraved scales. On the other hand, the "Hazet 5000 CLT" really looks nice, i like the big scale wich is IMHO even more clear than other brands. Gedore and Wille have definatly high quality torque wrenches and the fact that i need to buy only two Gedore to cover 2Nm-200Nm is interesting.

@Zorro13, according to hazet's catalog, the torque wrenche mod. 5122-1 is made in Germany. Not imported.

 

[Monte]

pretty sure that stahlwille is a split beam version. Which are excellent, and take no offense but there is a US (Prescision Instruments) company that makes them for considerably cheaper.

http://www.tooltopia.com/precision-instruments-c2fr100f.aspx

http://www.tooltopia.com/precision-instruments-c3fr250f.aspx

This would be another option but i don`t know if they are available here in europe, will be difficult to find someone if a repair would be necessary or calibration. IIRC The calibration @ Gedore is for free. Also the PI wrench has a accuracy of +-4% while Stahlwille has +-3% and also most other wrenches are already +-3% or even +-2% . The trend goes towards more accurate wrenches, the +-4% Stahlwille wrenches for example of the VW dealership of a buddy were already tossed away about 4 or 5 years ago. Too inaccurate. (since then he has one and the other employees who fished them out of the trash can too)

CDI + Snap-on would be another source but i only found torque wrenches with +-4% accuracy (6% counterclock wise) and coarse tooth ratchet heads - no fine tooth. Also the increment/reading for example of the CDI 40-200 NM wrench is 2 NM and not 1 NM. So if i have to torque something to 47 NM i also want to torque it to 47 NM and not 46 or 48 NM or guess if I´m right....


@Zorro13:
the Hazet torque wrench is now equipped with a "mushroom head" square drive like in the pic so it shouldn`t come out anymore. If you don`t have one you could order it. Part nr. "5121-01" for the 1/2" version ( 9,70 € + tax)

but should be blue now:

I just received a new "mushroom head" for my torque wrench so i now can use 3/8" sockets without adapter, i now just exchange the heads.

this one maybe could be helpful too

or this:

@AutomatiquE
yes the 5000 CLT looks nice !
I would consider to buy it too.


Hazet 5122-2CLT , 40-200 NM:

 

[Zorro13]

@Zorro13:
the Hazet torque wrench is now equipped with a "mushroom head" square drive like in the pic so it shouldn`t come out anymore. If you don`t have one you could order it. Part nr. "5121-01" for the 1/2" version ( 9,70 € + tax)

Monte, thanks for the hint with the mushroom head. Will try to get one, makes this wrench finally more comfortable to work with.

 

[AutomatiquE]

@Monte, as for heavy duty plier do you believe that Hazet, Gedore and other forge their own prybars/tyre levers or there's is one company wich produce for all ?

 

[Monte]

@Zorro13
yeah try it. With the "mushroom" it should become your favorite torque wrench (compared to the Craftsman )


@AutomatiquE
I don´t know. Difficult to say. The flat tire levers look different from each manufacturer, Hazet has a "H" profile, Gedore too but with flat parts and Stahlwille have their distinctive Stahlwille design which they also use for their wrenches.
But also could be made by one company who produces them in the design the customer wants. There is a forge who produces tire-levers and pry bars: "Max Klein" www.mk-rs.com and another one "Wiegand Berghöfer Werkzeugfabrik" www.wbc-online.de (click on "Reifenheber" for tire levers and on "Hebel" for pry bars) Rennsteig also makes a couple of pry bars.

The rubber/plastic handles don't stain but getting grease out of the grooves is difficult. .

here is the solution

Was this grinder really made in Germany? I tend to doubt it but I'm not absolutely sure.

I opened the Elektra Beckum bench grinder. The switch is "Made in Romania" and the condenser/capacitor "Made in Spain". So i think its at least a european product. Bosch grinders are from Bulgaria and some (?) or all (?) Metabo and Flott grinders are/were made in poland.

I think that my next investment will be a good bench vise, I like the Brockhaus Heuer and Leinen, I just worry that they don't seem to have a "play compensation" system (don't know the english word, sorry), somebody knows?

the "Heuer" vise can be re-tightened with the screw on the side:

there is no "play compensation" on the Leinen vise ( i dunno about the new ones but i guess not) But the dovetail system should last pretty long

 

[tonydanzah]

by play compensation do you mean a locking swivel?

 

[Monte]

i think he means something like "adjustable guide". When the vise starts to wobble after years or there is "play" you can tigthen a screw and there is no more wobble/play.

 

[tonydanzah]

ah, I have never seen that feature on a US vise. But also I am not sure of the need of the feature. When the vise is tighten there should be no play anyways from the clamping force.

 

[Monte]

yes but if the vise should has play or "sag" you can adjust the vise so the jaws always will stay lined up and parallel to each other. If the vise is tightened but the jaws don´t line up exactly or it has play it`s too annoying....


some pics + text of the "Heuer Front" vise from Brockhaus Heuer

The protected precision spindle bearing is located within the drop-forged front jaw of the vice and is therefore optimised against damage and fouling. A feature that only the HEUER-Vice offers in this form.

The drop-forged guide plates assure the precise movement of the guide rails with the internal dual-prism/double-action guide track. It does away with annoying wobbles and instability.

1. Zinc spindle key with riveted safety rings made of steel
2. Drop-forged front jaw
3. Protected precision spindle bearing
4. Surface-hardened clamping jaws
5. Slim but stable guide tracks (drop-forged) provide greater clamping depth
6. High, optimally distributed clamping force from the centrally located and well-protected spindle with double-action trapezoid thread allowing quick opening and closing
7. Hardened pipe-gripping jaws as production standard
8. Drop-forged rear jaw with specially-formed anvil
9. Strong, forged spindle nut
10. Drop-forged guide plates
11. Guide adjustable by centrally located screw
12. Internal dual-prism guide track preventing fouling and damages. Large track surfaces fully machined to guarantee precision and long service life


Collapsible-Lift

 

[Cantause]

The "Heuer" vise can be re-tightened with the screw on the side:


there is no "play compensation" on the Leinen vise ( i dunno about the new ones but i guess not) But the dovetail system should last pretty long

Thank you Monte! are they yours? which one do you like best?
I won't abuse my vise, it will probably last a long time before having serious game. The "play compensation" might be overkill, I agree, I was more interest to have the possibility to fix parallelism...
These are good quality vises right? I guess they're well finished!?
I think I would go for a Heuer, with removable jaws, don't really know why but I like them
I've almost not found informations about Leinen, and Heuer can be bought on ebay.de...
I'm just not yet decided on the size, always a matter of money, manufactured german steel is paid at the kilogram with these babies...

by play compensation do you mean a locking swivel?

It's what Monte said, I mean a system that permit to "lower" the game in the slides usually with some screws, ideally 2, this way you can tune the parallelism of the jaws.

ah, I have never seen that feature on a US vise. But also I am not sure of the need of the feature. When the vise is tighten there should be no play anyways from the clamping force.

This is not very frequent, I think that I've only seen that feature on Dolex vises and Facom (made by Dolex). I've heard some machinists say that it's useful to be able to tune the parallelism when you work on machined parts.

Dolex (France) vise, the 2 brass screws are used to compensate game and parallelism loss

 

[maxipouce]

There are 4 Brass screws, it' s more fun to tune

 

[Monte]

@Cantause:
yes i own the 125mm Leinen vise and a 100mm Heuer. In this thread i posted the pros + cons of both types: click (post# 848). The Schlegel + Leinen vises are quite popular over here. ( Link to Leinen + Schlegel). Another option would be the "Ridgid" vises also drop forged + "Made in Germany". (or used "Peddinghaus" vises - see ebay.de). The finish of the Heuer vise is "so-so". The Ridgid ones look better. The cast Schlegel + Leinen vises are also sold as "Garant" and "Format"

There are more pics and links to the european manufacturers of vises in this thread here: click (post #831)

 

[AutomatiquE]

@Monte, thanks for your informations

 

[alberto]

some pics + text of the "Heuer Front" vise from Brockhaus Heuer

The drop-forged guide plates assure the precise movement of the guide rails with the internal dual-prism/double-action guide track. It does away with annoying wobbles and instability.

1. Zinc spindle key with riveted safety rings made of steel
2. Drop-forged front jaw
3. Protected precision spindle bearing
4. Surface-hardened clamping jaws
5. Slim but stable guide tracks (drop-forged) provide greater clamping depth
6. High, optimally distributed clamping force from the centrally located and well-protected spindle with double-action trapezoid thread allowing quick opening and closing
7. Hardened pipe-gripping jaws as production standard
8. Drop-forged rear jaw with specially-formed anvil
9. Strong, forged spindle nut
10. Drop-forged guide plates
11. Guide adjustable by centrally located screw
12. Internal dual-prism guide track preventing fouling and damages. Large track surfaces fully machined to guarantee precision and long service life

Love the design of that vice. Do you know if there is a US based supplier?

Thanks.
Alberto

 

[Zorro13]

This is not very frequent, I think that I've only seen that feature on Dolex vises and Facom (made by Dolex). I've heard some machinists say that it's useful to be able to tune the parallelism when you work on machined parts.

Yes, even the beloved Wilton's do not have this feature. Also interesting to see that the US vises are usually cast iron while in Europe / Germany cast iron and welded steel are both common. Overall I have the feeling European vises are more precise since they have less slack in the spindle and bearing and the jaws show better parallelism.

What I'm waiting for is one of the cheap chinese swivel vise ((see the blue one 'el cheapo' wilton here: Wilton's ) made from a serious european manufacturer. Think the design is real multi purpose for the semi-pro at home, but material quality and precision is unfortunately pretty bad. Don't understand why no one is picking this design up. Maybe the Europeans are to proud to copy the Chinese

 

[Bhae]

Someone knows the difference or steel which is better:

SNCM-V steel
or
S2 steel

 

[Monte]

Love the design of that vice. Do you know if there is a US based supplier?

Thanks.
Alberto

Hi Alberto,
the Heuer vises can be bought in the USA @ http://www.samstagsales.com/brockhaus.htm

Someone knows the difference or steel which is better:

SNCM-V steel
or
S2 steel

I don´t know. Google showed some results from "Draper". Maybe mail Draper. But they probably don´t know too Or maybe start a new thread since here are only 5 people or so looking I would like to know too. The "S2" you read very often. "SNCM-V" is new for me.


@Zorro13:
The only vise which i know of from Europe in a "Wilton" design is made by York in Czech Republic: www.york.cz

The "rotating" vise like in your thread - never saw one here. Nice idea though ! I only know this one from Bison: click (but only 1 pair of jaws)
Bison also makes american style cast vises: www.bison-bial.pl

Pipe jaws are often integrated into the vise or this is used: click

Some comparison pics with a 1/4" dr. Hazet ratchet:

pic 1: Leinen vise 125mm jaw width
pic 2: Peddinghaus vise 135mm jaw width
pic 3: York vise 100mm jaw width
pic 4: Heuer vise 100mm jaw width

 

[Zorro13]

@Zorro13:
The "rotating" vise like in your thread - never saw one here. Nice idea though !

In the US you see those chinese rotating vises in every home improvement store. I think they all come from the same chinese plant, since the look all very similar. Even Wilton seems to buy them there. In Germany you can get them here: Westfalia, totally overpriced though. Paid for mine at Lowes $53. Anyway this thing is really handy because you can rotate it in any position. But accuracy of the jaws is not impressing and the material is cheapest cast iron, but it's sufficient for my car jobs so far.

 

[Cantause]

@Cantause:
yes i own the 125mm Leinen vise and a 100mm Heuer. In this thread i posted the pros + cons of both types: click (post# 848). The Schlegel + Leinen vises are quite popular over here. ( Link to Leinen + Schlegel). Another option would be the "Ridgid" vises also drop forged + "Made in Germany". (or used "Peddinghaus" vises - see ebay.de). The finish of the Heuer vise is "so-so". The Ridgid ones look better. The cast Schlegel + Leinen vises are also sold as

Thanks Monte!

From what I've understood in your other post, the "Heuer" has the advantage of being forged so it's better when you need to strike on something, and it's the slide is narrower, better for clamping vertically? For cast iron vises they're usually heavier so better to reduce vibration.

I'm looking for a good first vise, I've understood that I won't find an "all-in-one" and that I'll have to buy another in the future.
I'd prefer a precise one, so game play compensation would be a nice feature, I don't plan to do heavy hammering on it, mostly drilling, grinding, I guess I'd go for an heavy one like the Leinen .

I've seen that the Magnat seems to have the game compensation feature:

You presented that model in your other post but you didn't comment about quality, do you know something about them? They look very similar to the Peddinghaus vise on your picture.
Prices are nice too 235/290 € for 140/160 mm 17/25 kg

I like to Leinen too, even without game compensation, would someone know the difference between the

"Junior" model

"E" model

"

The H pattern of the link between the fix jaw and the base makes the "E" model looks stronger, weights are similar (however better distributed on the "E"), around 30 kg for the 125 mm, opening width quite the same too, around 180 mm. The price is different, in 125 mm, Junior is 220€ and "E" 350€, (from the same ebay seller). So I wonder what makes such a difference?

If Heuer's finish is "so-so" I won't buy one, at least not as a first vise, (maybe in the future for striking purpose), it's so sad, they looked so well finished on their website's pictures , with photoshop help maybe


@Zorro 13
The rotating vise can also be found in the UK under "Clarke" brand, a little bit cheaper than westfalia, about 58£ (84$/70€)

 

[Bhae]

@Monte:

SNCM+V appears in the toptul and draper catalog.
In Toptul catalog says it is a steel 25% more resistant (I think)

 

[maxipouce]

sncm+v (silicium, nickel, chrome,manganese,vanadium) is meaningless whithout at least any composition figure.The only thing you can do is test them or trust the ad.

 

[Cantause]

Someone knows the difference or steel which is better:

SNCM-V steel
or
S2 steel

SNCM is a steel family according to the japanese steel standard JIS G-4103 from the japanese standards associations (JSA).
SNCM-V is not a grade, it only means that the alloy contain

S: Silicium
N: for Nickel
C: for Chromium
M: for molybdenum
-V: Vanadium adjunction

But there are a lot of different grades in SNCM steel, SNCM 420, SNCM 415, SNCM 431, ... you need the number to identify which grade it is exactly...

S2 steel is an AISI (American Iron and Steel Institute) specification, it contains in mass percentage:

Carbon: 0,45-0,55
Manganese: 0,3-0,5
Phosphor: 0,3 max
Silicium: 0,9-1,25
Sulfer: 0,3 max
Chromium: 0,25 max
Vanadium: 0,5 max
Molybdenum: 0,3-0,5

Young modulus: 190-210 Gpa
It's a tool steel

SNCM steel have a Young modulus around 200 GPa too, so I guess that they have other advantages like an higher elastic limit if it's used for higher quality tools...

Sorry but there's not enough information to say more, you just know that have to choose between an Audi and a BMW, but you have no idea if what you have in front of you is an A2 or an M5

 

[Bhae]

@Maxpouce and Cantause:

Thank you very much to both.

Cantause thanks for such detailed information .

 

[Monte]

SNCM+V + S2
so how do we call this in europe ???

So you are looking which hex keys to buy ?? SNCM+V or S2 ? Audi or BMW ?

I say buy the Rolls Royce and get the PB Swiss tools hex keys



@Zorro13:
Thanks for the link. Didn`t know Westfalia sells it. 120 bucks ?? hmm i`d rather buy a drop forged Heuer or Ridgid vise



@Cantause
exactly ! So if you are a blacksmith and/or have unusual shaped objects to clamp in your vise then go for a drop forged vise which open to the front. For general mechanic work i would go for a Leinen/Schlegel type vise, they`re unmatched in precision and easiness in opening/closing. The "play" is maybe 0,1mm. But It is not really noticeable. The vise can be opened/closed with just the weight of the handle. But it`s the best to have both types imho, like i said the Leinen/Schlegel type for normal work (manual work with a file, or thread cutting, work with a angle grinder or drill) and maybe a 160/180mm forged vise for heavy duty jobs like forming/shaping metal. The Ridgid vises for example also have a large anvil surface. A drop forged vise will not crack, in the worst case just twist. Cast steel won´t bend or twist in most cases, just crack.

"Magnat"/"Durlach" vise: www.durlach-gmbh.de = vise brand from www.peddinghaus.de
The Peddinghaus rep at a fair told me they are made by Kanca. The Kanca dude said no they don`t make them.... There are some similarities between the Durlach Magnat and Kanca Primo ( i think the front jaw looks slightly different) There are also similarities between the Durlach Magnat Classic and the Kanca K2 ( the screws are on different places though). The shears look identical

Re: Leinen vise: The "Leinen Junior" weight for 125mm is 24 KG for the "Leinen" version 28 KG. So i guess it is made of different cast material and maybe bigger. Unfortunately the FZA/Leinen site doesn`t offer more infos. The ebay seller do not give any infos either. The word "heavy" appears at the expensive vise.

There is a wholesaler who sells "Garant" vises ( 125mm 276.- € + tax). Maybe it is a Leinen vise. They say its made of grey cast iron "GG25". They also offer the "Leinen Junior" (125mm 175.- € + tax). They write it is made of grey cast iron "GG22". I only found this but only GG20 and GG 25 listed: click
The GG25 has a higher tensile strength, yield stress and elastic modulus etc. etc. so everything seems to be higher/better.

Re: the Heuer finish: If its painted new then it dont look bad. I will take some pics next month or so when i repaint it.



Some more pics of the Leinen vise: The spindle is protected inside a pipe. (Ridgid also, Heuer only partially)

V shaped guide

Dimensions

about 85mm

ca. 75mm

ca. 70mm

 

[Hazet]

ok



do you have the test certificate of your ex Hazet wrench ? How accurate is it ?

i have this test from a magazine where the Hazet 5122 has a pretty good accuracy too:

test certificate from my rebadged Gedore/Rahsol "Torcofix" wrench

Here is a photo of the Hazet torque wrench certificate. The wrench is very accurate at 0.47%.

 

[Cantause]

SNCM+V + S2
so how do we call this in europe ???

So you are looking which hex keys to buy ?? SNCM+V or S2 ? Audi or BMW ?

I say buy the Rolls Royce and get the PB Swiss tools hex keys

mmmm... EN-something I guess

Come on, we all know that Audi are for old ladies...

Look at the PB Swiss allen keys, looks nice, are they that much better? they're not for free...

Concerning the vises I think I'll go for a Leinen, probably a "E", I'll wait and save a bit more money... I suppose I wouldn't brake a junior type but if they've tried to save money with slightly lower quality cast iron, slightly less weight,... I wonder if there are other slight differences that in the end would make me regret the price difference.
By the way is it a good idea to look for a used one on ebay? I mean most of them look used and it's difficult to say if there's play from the pictures but are they good quality enough to be considered as a second hand option?
Is the turntable as easy to lock as it looks?
I tink I'll try a Magnat for my second vice, it's drop forged and has the play compensation feature, it's sad that the jaws aren't replaceable, I don't really like magnetic jaws...

Thank you for your help Monte!

 

[Bhae]

@Monte:

What is the price of PB Swiss Tools in Germany.

For example:

Flathead screwdriver ref: 8100 / 2 (4x100)
Allen key set ref: 210HC-6 (1.5,2,2.5,3,4,5,6)

 

[Monte]

@Hazet:
thanks for posting that !!! Pretty good accuracy !!! I wouldn`t give the wrench away !!!

mmmm... EN-something I guess

EN DIN/ ISO x.xxxxx ?

Come on, we all know that Audi are for old ladies...

no that´s Mercedes

Look at the PB Swiss allen keys, looks nice, are they that much better? they're not for free...

In this test Bondhus is the best: click

Concerning the vises I think I'll go for a Leinen, probably a "E", I'll wait and save a bit more money... I suppose I wouldn't brake a junior type but if they've tried to save money with slightly lower quality cast iron, slightly less weight,... I wonder if there are other slight differences that in the end would make me regret the price difference.

yes get the big Leinen ! You won`t regret it !

By the way is it a good idea to look for a used one on ebay? I mean most of them look used and it's difficult to say if there's play from the pictures but are they good quality enough to be considered as a second hand option?
Is the turntable as easy to lock as it looks?
I tink I'll try a Magnat for my second vice, it's drop forged and has the play compensation feature, it's sad that the jaws aren't replaceable, I don't really like magnetic jaws...

My Leinen vise is also used. Ok i could check it out before. So if possible i would try to find one locally http://petites-annonces.kijiji.be/ or here. ( ps: Here is a Heuer, new, in Belgium, 15 € start bid... click ). I only can imagine that a Leinen vise can have a bent handle or messed up jaws with cuts everywhere etc. but play ? i dunno maybe if you open/close it 8 hours a day for 20 years ? . The swivel plate can be locked with the lever you see in the pic. Down = locked , up= free.

If you don`t like magnetic jaws but like replaceable jaws and want a "play compensation" you could buy a Ridgid vise. Ok not replaceable but the protective jaws are fixed to the vise so they can´t fall down but also can be removed.

@Bhae:

Flathead screwdriver ref: 8100 / 2 (4x100) = 4,82 €
I couldn`t find the Allen key set ref: 210HC-6 but for price reference you can look at this german PB store: http://www.werk10.com/Hex-Keys:::22.html and http://www.werk10.com/Rainbow:::15.html
Ebay.de store with PB Tools: click

prices include 19% tax

 

[Bhae]

@Bhae:

Flathead screwdriver ref: 8100 / 2 (4x100) = 4,82 €
I couldn`t find the Allen key set ref: 210HC-6 but for price reference you can look at this german PB store: http://www.werk10.com/Hex-Keys:::22.html and http://www.werk10.com/Rainbow:::15.html
Ebay.de store with PB Tools: click

prices include 19% tax

Thanks Monte, in Spain is more expensive.

 

[Monte]

We have another cast vise "Leinen-style" in the garage which i once sold to a garage-buddy. Manufacturer is "KHL" or "KLH" (?). Different guide system though.

he also has a new set of screwdrivers

"Factor" brand (made by SKG)

And a brand new tool: the "exhaust-pipe-socket" (Patent pending)

@Bhae:
how much more do they charge ??

 

[wizard1]

My old carolus 1/4 sockets set!

 

[Hazet]

My old carolus 1/4 sockets set!

How do the Carolus compare to Gedore?

 

[Monte]

nice set !!
I wonder where you find all that stuff
(From "Keller + Kalmbach" in germany or Taicang/China ? (or Hong Kong ?))
I see the Wurth catalog !? Do they have the complete line of tools (electric tools, air tools etc.) in China too ? Or only hand tools , screws etc. and chemicals ?

 

[AutomatiquE]

I know that Carolus belongs to Gedore, but is it made in Germany ?

 

[Cantause]

My Leinen vise is also used. Ok i could check it out before. So if possible i would try to find one locally http://petites-annonces.kijiji.be/ or here. ( ps: Here is a Heuer, new, in Belgium, 15 € start bid... click ). I only can imagine that a Leinen vise can have a bent handle or messed up jaws with cuts everywhere etc. but play ? i dunno maybe if you open/close it 8 hours a day for 20 years ? . The swivel plate can be locked with the lever you see in the pic. Down = locked , up= free.

If you don`t like magnetic jaws but like replaceable jaws and want a "play compensation" you could buy a Ridgid vise. Ok not replaceable but the protective jaws are fixed to the vise so they can´t fall down but also can be removed.

Monte, I will always be amazed by your ability to find tools , you even find vises on ebay.be... Thank you for the link, I'll see if it goes for a fare price

I also often watch Leinen vises on ebay.de, they go sometime for quite cheap, even with shipping to Belgium but most of them have a bent handle. I've seen "rebuilt kit" consisting of a new screw+handle on a German website but I can't find it anymore, nor what were the prices, would you know? Thank you!

 

[wizard1]

How do the Carolus compare to Gedore?

Yes! 2002 Acquisition of CAROLUS technic Hans Meenhöller KG

 

[wizard1]

nice set !!
I wonder where you find all that stuff
(From "Keller + Kalmbach" in germany or Taicang/China ? (or Hong Kong ?))
I see the Wurth catalog !? Do they have the complete line of tools (electric tools, air tools etc.) in China too ? Or only hand tools , screws etc. and chemicals ?

I bought this set from Shanghai/China many years a go.
Wurth have the complete line in China! http://www.wuerth.tj.cn/

 

[Robertob]

Got some new WERA screwdrivers for working on motorcycle carbs, I always need narrow short flat screwdrivers. Though these are larger than I expected and might not be as useful.

 

[Monte]

@Wizard1:
thanks for the link !!
i wonder when Würth will bring out the new Bosch clone with 2 speeds. In black the 10,8 V tools look even nicer !

I know that Carolus belongs to Gedore, but is it made in Germany ?

Some tools yes. Wrenches, the pliers (?), some extensions. Sockets from China (formerly Japan), the flex-head ratchets - handle from germany , head from Taiwan.

Monte, I will always be amazed by your ability to find tools , you even find vises on ebay.be... Thank you for the link, I'll see if it goes for a fare price

I also often watch Leinen vises on ebay.de, they go sometime for quite cheap, even with shipping to Belgium but most of them have a bent handle. I've seen "rebuilt kit" consisting of a new screw+handle on a German website but I can't find it anymore, nor what were the prices, would you know? Thank you!

I got my Heuer vise brand new for 47,19 € and its worth it so if the Rothenberger vise goes for 40 or 50 or 60 i would buy it.... you always need another vise (welding table....). In this PDF on page 31 you can see the spare parts prices for "Ersatzspindeln" for the "Garant" (also fits Leinen they write) vise (part # 871050) and Leinen-Junior vise.
(prices + tax). My handle is also bent but still slides. I`ll try to straighten it with a mobile hydraulic press which i built.


@Robertob
The Wera screwdrivers are 79mm which is about the standard length for shorties. (Wiha 81mm, Witte 80mm).

Does somebody know a shorter one ? (Maybe short bitholder ?)





Some pics of my favorite pliers at the moment:

 

[dede2897234]

Got some new WERA screwdrivers for working on motorcycle carbs, I always need narrow short flat screwdrivers. Though these are larger than I expected and might not be as useful.

Robertob,

I own a Nepros stubby #2 screwdriver. It measures 67mm in length (the Nepros website has it listed at 70mm). The Nepros is between 9mm and 13mm shorter in length than your Wera stubby screwdrivers at 79mm.

Here is a link to the Nepros stubby screwdriver I own (post #44):
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65409&page=3.


Dave