Tools from the old world
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Reed Prince
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It might be cheaper to import this from Harbor Freight than to buy it in Germany. 
over here it´s less than 200 bucksIt might be cheaper to import this from Harbor Freight than to buy it in Germany.
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I think this is the same too:
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It seems there is a handfull of air tool manufacturers where everybody buys their tools with their name and design....
Virax pipe cutter
I decided I needed a new wire stripper as the style I had was annoying for access. I found the Felo version of what I wanted was cheapest compared to the Jokari, Knipex and Wurth versions so that is what I got.
From a closing down tool store I found some irega insulated shifters discounted, I managed to only by one and some consumables this time. Overkill for what I do but it is good to have insulated tools for battery terminals especially when I might be installing a 48v battery system soon
From a closing down tool store I found some irega insulated shifters discounted, I managed to only by one and some consumables this time. Overkill for what I do but it is good to have insulated tools for battery terminals especially when I might be installing a 48v battery system soon
acer66
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Nice, did not know that they still make stuff at home anymore.Merry Christmas to everyone !!!!
yes, looks really nice
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acer66
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Blauer Hammerschlag is one of my favorites.
zeug
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Interesting tool, Monte. It looks like this uses replaceable razorblades. Is it intended as more of a scraper, or an actual plane for wood and other soft materials? Could you give us a review on how well it works?
Kent
I have some tools from the old world, because i live here. I am not a collector, only a user, some tools serve me more than 15 years… If you are interested, i can post some. But for now one interesting piece, Bahco knife:
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four.cycle
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Elofort / Elofort, Germany / https://www.elofort-hand-tools.com/ / "Chrom-Van" wrench / price-point line manufactured by Elora /
Elora / Elora Werkzeugfabrik GmbH, Am Blaffertsberg 33, 42899 Remscheid, Germany / https://elora.de/ / est. 1924 / http://alloy-artifacts.org/european-tool-makers.html#elora / http://progress-is-fine.blogspot.com/2018/03/german-austrian-wrench-makers.html / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/mr-erich-rauch-elora-tools.509407/ /
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Elora / Elora Werkzeugfabrik GmbH, Am Blaffertsberg 33, 42899 Remscheid, Germany / https://elora.de/ / est. 1924 / http://alloy-artifacts.org/european-tool-makers.html#elora / http://progress-is-fine.blogspot.com/2018/03/german-austrian-wrench-makers.html / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/mr-erich-rauch-elora-tools.509407/ /
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Pardon me for being skeptical but after digging into numerous articles, comments isn't it world hand tools production centralized in Taiwan and/or China for cost effective? CMIIW, I need assurance from you guys.
The legit European brands I can find in my country are Wera, Matador, Stahwille, Wiha with their own line up limitations (because the importer limits which tools distributed around my country). While American brand only Bluepoint. Snap On and Proto really pricey and hard to get.
Japan brand are KTC, Koken, Anex, 3Peaks, Engineer, Vessel. The rest which I predict dominate the market for around 75% shares are made in Taiwan or China.
The legit European brands I can find in my country are Wera, Matador, Stahwille, Wiha with their own line up limitations (because the importer limits which tools distributed around my country). While American brand only Bluepoint. Snap On and Proto really pricey and hard to get.
Japan brand are KTC, Koken, Anex, 3Peaks, Engineer, Vessel. The rest which I predict dominate the market for around 75% shares are made in Taiwan or China.
No Hazet? Also, some of Wiha tools are made in Viet Nam and some Facom tools are made in Taiwan. It doesn't make them bad you are just not getting European made tools if that is what you really want.
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What makes something a "legit brand" for you? Are you looking for assurance that they are decent tools or that they are all made in the same country?
Most of the Wera stuff is made in Taiwan, some things made or finished in The Czech Republic.
Plus a good chunk of Wiha being Vietnam/Taiwan as DAustin mentioned.
Bluepoint is almost entirely imported Taiwanese stuff, some shared with Williams, Bahco, and other Snap-on assets.
Most Snap-on branded stuff is USA but there are also some Taiwan, Euro, or Japan tools.
Proto also has a lot of USA made stuff but some imported Euro things from Stanley/Facom too.
Most Stahlwille and Hazet is German-made but a few imported or re-branded items.
And the Japanese stuff is mostly Japanese except for Tone and Deen being Taiwanese production.
My personal reasons are:
1. Too many tools put German made, German technology while actually made in Taiwan, China.
2. I'm doubtful, truly is, after reading a lot of discussions here in Garage Journal, saying that Taiwan and China products are not exceed the standard both DIN and JIS, or simply just ****.
I was going to buy Elofort combination spanner set but I cancel it since now I also doubt that Elora still produce their tools or imported from oem manufacuter.
The price of Elora 12 mm combination spanner is around USD8 while TopTul and Genius also stay at the same price range. I really don't know, is it because Elora is new but old stock or is it made in Taiwan. Elofort set 8-22 mm combination spanner cost around USD70. KTC set around USD40.
Please enlightened me
Nobody should be doing the first one unless it is a straight up knock-off. Putting "Designed in Germany" or "German technology" on the package but producing it elsewhere is perfectly legal.
Well of course there are quality Taiwanese or Chinese tools just like there are crappy USA ones. There are different manufacturers and no single country has the monopoly on "good" or "bad".
For example, Milwaukee and Makita impact guns and drills that are industry standard for many trades are mostly made in China or Taiwan. Or I have used my Sweden-made-in-Taiwan Bahco 1/4" and 1/2" sets for years without issue. Or my Everett-made-in-China Fluke 17B+ has been excellent. I could go on.
You could answer this yourself by just looking on their website or contacting their support instead of jumping to wild conclusions with no evidence.
Elora's core product line (wrenches, sockets, ratchets, etc.) are made by them in Germany.
Some other things like impact tools or pliers might be rebranded from other companies, European or otherwise. Their website is labeled very clearly with most products marked "Made in Germany" or a few as "Made in Europe". If it doesn't have either, it's probably produced somewhere else.
As for Elofort, that's their budget sub-brand and I believe has always been produced abroad and imported. Similar idea as Gedore's Gedore Red, Snap-On's Blue-Point, or Cornwell's Blue Power.
Forgive me, yes I did jumping to conclusion without adequate data. I contacted Elora this morning, I'm waiting for their respond.
I have Bahco, Elora, Unior and some budget friendly brand. I satisfy with Elora and Unior while Bahco due to I rarely use it, I can't tell about it.
Recently I thought about starting my motorycle maintenance shop and I think I need to buy reliable hand tools set and that's when I start digging around here and there.
And thank you for reaching out and once again assure me like you guys did when I ask about german or japan screwdrivers. I really appreciate it.
I have Bahco, Elora, Unior and some budget friendly brand. I satisfy with Elora and Unior while Bahco due to I rarely use it, I can't tell about it.
Recently I thought about starting my motorycle maintenance shop and I think I need to buy reliable hand tools set and that's when I start digging around here and there.
And thank you for reaching out and once again assure me like you guys did when I ask about german or japan screwdrivers. I really appreciate it.
upgrading
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It needs to be discussed because not all tool brands from the "Old World" make their tools there anymore
Hazet and Stahlwille import ratcheting wrenches from Taiwan (or at least the mechanisms). Gedore makes them, but probably in Austria and not Germany (tbh I'd expect even higher standards from Austrian companies). Hazet and Gedore import screwdrivers from Slovenia (Oplast).
Hence the Elofort lineup is safe bet then?
I'm sorry for brought this thread to that way, but I need to make my minds clear, thanks to this thread I've been able to
No Elofort is their cheaper option made in Asia, like Gedore Red. I'm not saying they are bad just not German.
Qualitytools
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They look similar to the FACOM handles. Looks great, thanks for sharing.
These mini planes are advertised as plane for balsa wood and for thinning leather. It removes wood, but only thin layers, if the razor blade is too far out it gets stuck in the wood.
i think they´re from Felo
zeug
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I thought it used razorblades, But it says Hobelklinge, so I assume they are different and specifically made for a plane.These mini planes are advertised as plane for balsa wood and for thinning leather. It removes wood, but only thin layers, if the razor blade is too far out it gets stuck in the wood.
Thanks for sharing.
That struck me as funny, too. I wonder if they are thicker than a Razierklinge?
And, what happens if you shave with a Hobelklinge? What happens if you plane with a Razierklinge?
(For those who don't speak German, "Hobel" means "plane". and "Klinge" means "blade". So it's odd to see a razor blade that says right on it that it's a plane blade.)
By the way, there's an American equivalent "plane" that takes razor blades. I've got one around somewhere; I'll see if I can find it.
Makes me wonder how that would work in my DE razor handle!These mini planes are advertised as plane for balsa wood and for thinning leather. It removes wood, but only thin layers, if the razor blade is too far out it gets stuck in the wood.
i think they´re from Felo
zeug
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Monte did say it was good at thinning leather!
Hah, despite looking old fashioned, it's really hard to cut yourself with a safety razor, the disposable cartridge razors since the 70's were a scam by gillette cause they wanted more profit and the DE blades in a cast brass handle that lasts forever cost next to nothing per shave...
Maybe razorblades and hobelklingen are identical.....? I´ll measure the thickness of a hobelblade....
i don´t dare to try itThat struck me as funny, too. I wonder if they are thicker than a Razierklinge?
And, what happens if you shave with a Hobelklinge? What happens if you plane with a Razierklinge?
(For those who don't speak German, "Hobel" means "plane". and "Klinge" means "blade". So it's odd to see a razor blade that says right on it that it's a plane blade.)
By the way, there's an American equivalent "plane" that takes razor blades. I've got one around somewhere; I'll see if I can find it.
I´ll use my Gillette 
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