Ugh, Grainger and their disposable Dayton tools

[DougWil]

this thread is funny. op buys a ****** used compressor for 50 dolllars , knows it is a ****** compressor, takes it apart to prove that it is a shittty compressor and then ******* about the fact that it is a ****** compressor.

American Pickers
That's essentially what the previous owner had you do for him.: Getting rid of a large iron machine at the dump would cost someone considering hauling and dump fees, oh bout 50 bucks .. only instead he profited by the same amount.

This thread is very funny.

Instead of anyone asking any rational questions, like why do you need multiple compressors, or what else is salvageable on that '******' compressor ASSumptions are made and nutty conclusions are drawn.
And you know what they say about ASSumptions.

The ****** $50 compressor had a like new Baldor Industrial 5hp motor, single phase, (the original Dayton must have died) a Square D NEMA size 2 mag starter with overloads. That is why I bought the compressor, not the pump. The tank even looks good.
It was a screaming deal, wish I could find more crappy deals like that.
Too bad the pump looks scrap bound.

As to my 'compulsive hoarding' that I have been diagnosed with over the interwebs I need lots of CFMs for an outside sand blaster.
So I am going to assemble 4 high quality US pumps to provide that air.

Purchase #1 was a IR, 3 stage up to 800psi compressor and tank. Really just wanted the 200 gallon, 9/16" thick tank. $50, a ****** deal. Scrapped the big oddball voltage mtr for probably $30.
Haven't tried to peddle the oddball pump, who knows?

#2 Saylor Beall 705 compressor with issues, Baldor 5hp 3 phase. $140 if I recall.

#3 Kellogg 331TV, $100 with a Dayton (not my fav brand ) 5hp single phase.

#4 Champion 15B pump and Weg 3hp single phase mounted to a board, $25 a ****** deal for sure. Burnt the wood board in my shop wood stove for a few minutes of heat.

#5 Another 331TV pump only, $50. Oh that hurt!

#6 Another SB 705 pump, $35 xtra ****** deal.


I have rebuilt SB #2 for $250. Honed, rings, new hi piston/wrist pin, all the bearings etc.
I have rebuilt K/A #3 for $175. ditto, no new pistons required.
#6 needs both hi and low pistons so will have $350 or so in it. I will keep my eye out for another since pistons are $200.
#5 is torn down, only needs the basic rebuild kit and the large bearing retainer. Probably will part it out.
#4 supposedly works fine I will test run before teardown.

The plan, I will mount the 2 rebuilt SB 705s on the 200 gal tank with dual 5hp Baldor single phase motors, picked up a Baldor somewhere in the past. Probably another ****** deal.

Put the rebuilt KA on a 80 gallon tank, with the 5hp single phase Dayton (put new bearings in it $20)

Try the Champion with the WEG 3hp (new bearings in it too)

So I will have 18hp total, 3 rebuilt pumps and 1 used pump for air, that is about equal to 45hp of gas power and 50 CFM??. All for about $1500 with new belts, paint etc, plus my labor which I enjoy doing and knowing it is built right so it should be trouble free.

I can also run one 5hp 3 phase off my 7.5hp rotary convertor if I have to. Which I built, for probably 50 ****** dollars.
So it would up it to 20hp total.

When I am done in a season or 2, or 3, I will sell off the KA and the Champion and keep the SBs for a my blast cabinet.
No, there won't be any shedding of tears or angst selling them Dr Strawberry.
I imagine I will get 1/2 of my $1500 back.

Oh, and while I was out finding one ****** deal after another, I found this.



Got raped on this junker too, $175.
Champion R15B with a Baldor Industrial 7.5 3 phase, with low oil cutout, aftercooler, auto drain (off for repairs), belt guards etc...
Runs great, adjusted the belts, new oil, cleaned up and ready for sale.
Will make enough off it to pay for the bulk of my compressor stable.

So eventually I will pare down to the dual rebuilt SB 705s pumps on the monster tank that can never rust through in my lifetime, powered by the best motors you can buy, for free.

****** deal all around.

 

[sberry]

No one is saying those are not deals and a good thing. That is great. You get no argument from me that it is not worthwhile but the stretch to the national debt and the thinking that Dayton owes you spare parts is another argument. I will even agree that the Dayton was a good buy for the spare parts, that I understand. I got my spare the same way, found parts and fixed it in a day, was a bargain. But it wasn't done thinking it would solve some national crisis.

 

[sberry]

I can be totally wrong about you too but the original spin in this thread didn't help.

 

[Infinia]

Instead of anyone asking any rational questions, like why do you need multiple compressors, or what else is salvageable on that '******' compressor

< TMI snipage

As to my 'compulsive hoarding' that I have been diagnosed with over the interwebs I need lots of CFMs for an outside blaster.
So I am going to assemble 4 high quality US pumps to provide that air.

Ok i'll bite, what is an outside blaster and why do you need it for?
I'll be an *** and guess you have another mainstream hobby that you often get sidetrack'd out of.


my only other thread take away is this.
One mans junk is another mans treasure.

Look on CL I often see washer dryer , and lawn equipment repair / dealer dudes. yikes theyre even on youtube now.
If these types could figure they working for min wage after all is said and done, that is if they had any accounting / arithmetic chops. Me i'd pick a hobby that wouldn't throw my back out of wack on.

 

[bastage]

This thread is very funny.

Snipped

You sir have a problem... A problem with not pushing up as good deal.. I wish I had that problem.

 

[DougWil]

Ok i'll bite, what is an outside blaster and why do you need it for?
I'll be an *** and guess you have another mainstream hobby that you often get sidetrack'd out of.

Pressure pot sandblaster.
I have struggled to find a local sandblaster who can get my fab & resto projects blasted in a timely manner and at anywhere near the estimate.
1 week turns to 6 and $75 to $250.

So I am just going to do it myself.
I have a pasture that is almost pure silt, the spent sand will do it good.

All just a hobby stuff, fabbing trailers, wood splitters (picked up a new Prince 6"x30 3000psi cylinder for a monster wood splitter, as always a ****** deal ), hydraulic shop presses (got a 100 tonner in the pipeline), refinishing old compressor tanks, that sort of thing.
Maybe build another Jeep, this time with my own frame.

Paint really doesn't stick without blasting, especially on hot rolled steel.
You got to get the mill scale off.

Wish I had it up and running now, I would like to bead blast all the compressor components before assembly and painting.
May swap out the 7.5hp motor on the Champion temp to a 5hp single or 3 phase so I can blast the compressor parts, I have a small Mac blast cabinet I just bought but haven't tried it.

 

[67King]

This is one of the more perplexing threads on this forum.

First of all, a reed valve failure is grounds for scrapping a presumably very nice pump? I would be inclined to think that if there were not another option, a reed valve would be about the easiest part to fabricate on the whole unit.

The notion that a nice, 2 stage compressor is a disposable item is just not something I can relate to. It sounds from the description like everything in there was well made and in good shape. I mean......really folks, is a 40 year old lathe or mill disposable? THis kind of equipment, to me anyway, is what I'd consider a durable good. Sure they may eventually wear out, but that doesn't sound like the case on this one. It was a reed valve. It'd be like a capacitor going out on a single phase motor.

I mean....really, how much of the technology that goes into these things have changed? Kind of like Briggs and Straton engines on lawn mowers, the basics of them are all unchanged.

Vehicles lasting multiple lifetimes slower and heavier? Sheesh, cars from the 50's wouldn't last 100,00 miles, and were replaced every few years. NOw they'll go three times as long, and get replaced every 15 years. A V6 Accord is faster than was an SS Chevelle when it was new. In WWII, planes would be obsolete in 2 years. Some of our military's planes now are going on 70 years old (C-130), and the bulk of them are 40 year old designs (F-15, 16, 18, etc.), and are finally being slowly replaced........by planes designed to last over 50 years.

At any rate, there are some good points made. Complexity is foolish, it is a lot easier to keep service parts on hand if you don't change the designs frequently, especially on something as simple as a compressor head. I just don't see the notion that a big 2 stage compressor is a disposable item. A single stage, $350 15 gallon one? Sure. A big 80 gallon, 5hp unit should last. And yeah, I'll agree it may eventually be scrapped. But just because it is 40 years old and had a reed valve go bad? Sheesh, my first air compressor, which I gave to my father-in-law, is still running after nearly 20 years, and it is a simple small, wheeled, 120V Craftsman unit.

 

[sberry]

The point of the original thread was that the op bought an obsolete piece and was upset that no one stocked parts for it. No one is saying that it cant or shouldn't fix it but that its unrealistic to expect a foreign mfg should keep a supply chain for decades for a few units in case some doddering fart wants to fix it, a machine obviously has a market value of 50$.
Then we could have come with another thread as to why the parts were so expensive,,, after all,,, I only paid 50 for it etc. Great project for a guy that can rebuild parts or salvage something from it. Not many here would argue that logic including me.

 

[finn]

This is one of the more perplexing threads on this forum.

First of all, a reed valve failure is grounds for scrapping a presumably very nice pump? I would be inclined to think that if there were not another option, a reed valve would be about the easiest part to fabricate on the whole unit.

The notion that a nice, 2 stage compressor is a disposable item is just not something I can relate to. It sounds from the description like everything in there was well made and in good shape. I mean......really folks, is a 40 year old lathe or mill disposable? THis kind of equipment, to me anyway, is what I'd consider a durable good. Sure they may eventually wear out, but that doesn't sound like the case on this one. It was a reed valve. It'd be like a capacitor going out on a single phase motor.

I mean....really, how much of the technology that goes into these things have changed? Kind of like Briggs and Straton engines on lawn mowers, the basics of them are all unchanged.

Vehicles lasting multiple lifetimes slower and heavier? Sheesh, cars from the 50's wouldn't last 100,00 miles, and were replaced every few years. NOw they'll go three times as long, and get replaced every 15 years. A V6 Accord is faster than was an SS Chevelle when it was new. In WWII, planes would be obsolete in 2 years. Some of our military's planes now are going on 70 years old (C-130), and the bulk of them are 40 year old designs (F-15, 16, 18, etc.), and are finally being slowly replaced........by planes designed to last over 50 years..

Briggs isn't making the old flathead lawnmower engines that were omnipresent when I was a kid, and those fifty year old airplanes may have retained parts of their original airframes, but the avionics, electronics, engines, and weapons systems have nothing in common with the parts installed on the assembly line fifty years ago. They have gone through several generations of rebuild and upgrade, to the tune of tens of millions of dollars each.

In fact, using that example would support scrapping the forty year old compressor head and replacing it with a brand new one of current design.

 

[GMCGarage]

im sorry, but there isnt a machine part that is made that cannot be re-made. Might not be economical, but it could be fixed.

 

[67King]

Then we could have come with another thread as to why the parts were so expensive,,, after all,,, I only paid 50 for it etc. Great project for a guy that can rebuild parts or salvage something from it. Not many here would argue that logic including me.

That's pretty much in line with what I was getting at. Read to me like a lot of folks were saying it should be junked.

Briggs isn't making the old flathead lawnmower engines that were omnipresent when I was a kid, and those fifty year old airplanes may have retained parts of their original airframes, but the avionics, electronics, engines, and weapons systems have nothing in common with the parts installed on the assembly line fifty years ago. They have gone through several generations of rebuild and upgrade, to the tune of tens of millions of dollars each.

In fact, using that example would support scrapping the forty year old compressor head and replacing it with a brand new one of current design.

What part of a compressor head is analogous to avionics/electronics? I'd compare it more to the airframe, itself. Weapons - the AIM 7 was 40 years old before replacements were designed, and the AIM 9 is still in service after 60 years.

The Briggs engine on my roto-tiller was made in 1981. Same basic engine as still being used today, though the magneto is newer.


Anyway, I agree wiht the sentiment that stocking parts for a 40 year old compressor is poor business practice, but disagree with the sentiment that a 40 year old compressor has inherently surpassed its useful life based solely on its age.

 

[sberry]

We have tractors that are 50 yrs old and parts are still available. Several models used some of the same stuff. Parts are still from dealers and lots of aftermarket. They made 400k of the one model and 200k still in service. Sheer economics drive this.

 

[DougWil]

In fact, using that example would support scrapping the forty year old compressor head and replacing it with a brand new one of current design.

With the reference to the manufacturer provided up the thread, they are apparently still being made in Japan and doubtful much of anything has changed in the design.
http://www.meijiair.co.jp/E_Home/html/comp/E_BASIC_COMPRESSORS.htm

So much for the outdated and obsolete argument that keeps being repeated.
Jeez guys, it is a compressor. Couple of pistons, some valves and that is about it, not some techo marvel.


........still haven't had any response from the manufacturer.

Interesting tidbit, there is a guy selling the same pump on Ebay says he had it rebuilt.
I asked him where and he said the local compressor place he had do the work went out of business, but he had lots of enquiries from other Ebayers wondering where to get parts.

Appears I am not alone.

 

[WittHay]

I find the sand blasting part of this thread interesting. Done some years ago, tedious dusty job. We rented a tow behind gas powered air compressor.

Is there a advantage beside cost of hooking up 3 or 4 small compressors vs. buying a used gas/diesel powered tow behind for sandblasting?

 

[sberry]

Sure, electric on demand is a lot cheaper. They shut off when not needed. The money the OP has in these make the price right.

 

[DougWil]

I find the sand blasting part of this thread interesting. Done some years ago, tedious dusty job. We rented a tow behind gas powered air compressor.

Is there a advantage beside cost of hooking up 3 or 4 small compressors vs. buying a used gas/diesel powered tow behind for sandblasting?

In between vehicles, a moto, a tractor, a rototiller, 3 chainsaws I got enough finicky, always need tinkering gas powered stuff.

I like electric, turn on switch and it always runs, no fumes, no tinkering.
Built my wood splitter using a 5hp electric motor.
Less noise, always starts, no looking for the gas can, no bad gas blues, rotting rubber etc...

 

[Infinia]

So much for the outdated and obsolete argument that keeps being repeated.

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........still haven't had any response from the manufacturer.

lots of enquiries from other Ebayers wondering where to get parts.

Appears I am not alone.

hmm it's your title with the words from your own mouth "DISPOSIBLE Dayton Tools" and somehow NOW yer ***uming youll get all the replacement parts??
And you wonder why the contradictions started in


Let us know when the parts arrive at the mailbox.
PS don't even complain about those mythical part prices either.

 

[Gmonkee]

Infinia, are you suggesting a GJ group buy of this type of compressor?

What could go wrong?

 

[DougWil]

hmm it's your title with the words from your own mouth "DISPOSIBLE Dayton Tools" and somehow NOW yer ***uming youll get all the replacement parts??
And you wonder why the contradictions started in


Let us know when the parts arrive at the mailbox.
PS don't even complain about those mythical part prices either.

I am not ***uming anything.
I was referring to the DESIGN being outdated and obsolete. It clearly isn't.

The only reason that it is obsolete in the US is because Grainger the importer abandoned it.
But the parts are probably available < 5000 miles that a way.

However, since it has been days since I emailed the manufacturer and haven't received a response, I expect I never will.

In short I am no closer to getting parts than when I started this thread, it is still unrepairable for all practical purposes (disposable) and you think the parts are in the mail.

 

[Infinia]

I am not ***uming anything.
I was referring to the DESIGN being outdated and obsolete. It clearly isn't.

The only reason that it is obsolete in the US is because Grainger the importer abandoned it.
But the parts are probably available < 5000 miles that a way.

Well now yer splitting hairs. Who cares if a machine is outdated, updated, or current production! The parts to repair it are unobtanium is the issue, right. Mileage does NOT figure in the equation does it. I get parts n stuff from Hong Kong every month. Probably more assumptions or reasons you can't get parts IF it is indeed in production.
Dear Sir, if you were truly observant youd realize most importers do NOT carry parts for machines--stuff they sell today by the millions let alone something that sold 1K units ~40 years ago, period and full stop. Wake up, yer ranting over a boat that sailed (way of life) 20-30 years ago? Come on let's get real. This is the state of the union. It's a disposable consumer society by design. We get the landfills, they get the cash.

In short I am no closer to getting parts than when I started this thread, it is still unrepairable for all practical purposes (disposable) and you think the parts are in the mail.

No it's called sarcasm flip side of "the check is in the mail" I reckon.

PS Repair stuff? haha. The Future is now, I wouldn't be surprised if they expected us to drive cars for 5-6 years max and then recycle the remains.

 

[Whitworth]

I once bought a box of crayons at a yard sale and was surprised to find a bunch of them broken.

 

[WittHay]

Stuff you buy from industrial/equipment dealers are not disposal. You just have to realize that if it has foreign made components in it, the parts are not going to be readily available.

My father bought a Lester-Petter generator in the late 90's. its a English company but the generator was based on a Mitsubishi. A guy was trying to fix the carb and lost a mixture screw. He had to buy a whole new carburetor. A month and a half later a new one came from Japan.

The worst were Belarus tractors that were made in Russia. The parts weren't available from day one.

 

[DougWil]

Come on let's get real. This is the state of the union. It's a disposable consumer society by design. We get the landfills, they get the cash. Repair stuff? haha

Yes I made that point many posts ago, and one of the reasons why many people have acquired little to no assets with a lifetime of work.

Have to have it > buy it on credit > break it/out of fashion/want a newer model/never really needed it > pay someone to haul it to the landfill.
Probably buried at the landfill before it is ever completely paid off on the revolving credit card with 24.9% interest.

 

[sberry]

How many of these were bought on a credit card at 24 percent interest?

 

[DougWil]

How many of these were bought on a credit card at 24 percent interest?

Who knows, it isn't like a 40 old compressor pump sits on a bar stool, crying into their beer and telling their whole life story.
Thank God.

But Rodgers, the Quincy distributor in Portland does a large part of their business in leasing.

They lease the compressor out, service it and haul it away and the end of the lease.
The companies never own it.

In fact their are lots of companies that lease all their equipment and 'own' next to nothing.

 

[sberry]

How do you manage to connect all this to a broke compressor you paid 50$ for?

 

[sberry]

There was a point I thought I may have been slipping and having doubts with my first assumption. Dr Strawberry may have been closer with a diagnosis than it first appeared.

 

[cheechi]

I heard there was beautiful machining and am left unfulfilled without photos.

 

[DougWil]

I heard there was beautiful machining and am left unfulfilled without photos.

The flash fuzzes out the detail.




^I didn't even wipe the oil off these, they are almost pristine. Not the slightest burnt oil on any of the pistons.

Sorry the crankcase and crank have been boxed up and put out of my way.

And then there is Kellogg American. They assembled the crank from multiple pieces and welded it up.
On one of the cranks they got the lead counterweight blob off (or someone else later did, pressing off a bearing??) and just beat on it with a hammer to make it clear the crankcase. It didn't with a bit off bearing wear it rubbed and loaded the oil up with ground up lead.

 

[donpauli2]

^ i think you may be over romanticizing this as far as an "example of what the young peole need to see"



-bought an old compressor for cheap

-figured out it was broken

-seemingly gave up quickly as someone stated they found the oem within a matter of seconds

- threw it away

- complained on the internet



Or maybe this is the example "young people" are using

This is the way of the can't fix it generation


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[DougWil]

This is the way of the can't fix it generation


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Yep I have a Verizon wifi mobile hotspot. About the size of a cigarette box, $129 if I recall. After a little over a year it stopped working correctly. I took it into the Verizon store, the kid (20 something) fiddled with it, looked up when I had bought it, 14 months ago and said 'I think you may need a new piece of equipment this one is getting old'.

I laughed and told him, not long ago a piece of electronic equipment was expected to decades, not months.
From the perplexed look on his face, I am not sure he even knew what a decade was??
Either that or it boggled his mind that something electronic could last that long.


They gave me a new one.

 

[sberry]

I just tossed a stereo I paid 200 for in 75, no one would give 50 at a yard sale for it and I was just tired of storing the thing. Threw 3 pickup loads of stuff out, 6 bushels of vice tapes, 4 tv's and still missed one. Havnt used it in decades, was providing comfy storage for junk. Load of car parts went too. No matter what I think it's worth it wasn't adding to the bottom line and not an asset.

 

[sberry]

What would have improved net worth would have been not to buy it in the first place. Did get 25$ for 4 walkie talkies I paid 100 a piece for 35 yrs ago and never used.

 

[67King]

I just tossed a stereo I paid 200 for in 75, no one would give 50 at a yard sale for it and I was just tired of storing the thing. Threw 3 pickup loads of stuff out, 6 bushels of vice tapes, 4 tv's and still missed one. Havnt used it in decades, was providing comfy storage for junk. Load of car parts went too. No matter what I think it's worth it wasn't adding to the bottom line and not an asset.

Yep, because age is the sole determinant for a good's value.

https://reverb.com/item/2933713-gibson-les-paul-standard-1960

 

[DougWil]

I just tossed a stereo I paid 200 for in 75, no one would give 50 at a yard sale for it and I was just tired of storing the thing. Threw 3 pickup loads of stuff out, 6 bushels of vice tapes, 4 tv's and still missed one. Havnt used it in decades, was providing comfy storage for junk. Load of car parts went too. No matter what I think it's worth it wasn't adding to the bottom line and not an asset.

There is a show called name that tune and they bet on how many notes it takes to identify a song. I have been at forums a while, I can spot a compulsive hoarder in 3 posts or so.

My, my seems good Doctor that you were projecting that compulsive hoarder label.
Who would have guessed.



So long as we analyzing posters, lets start with you.
You have an very high post count, 22K and judging by this thread really have nothing of consequence, or depth to say.
Certainly no knowledge relevant to the topic. Compressor repair, design or even a grasp of basic economics, our economy, and the artificial and manipulated conditions in operates in,,, temporarily.

I don't care to look, but I would surmise that few to none of your 22 thousand posts contain any photos or descriptions of any GARAGE projects you are actually working on or completed.

In short you are just a guy prattling on your opinion about things you know little to nothing about.
Which is OK, everybody needs a hobby.

But I have more productive hobbies and won't be feeding yours.
This is my way of saying I won't be responding to any more of your silly posts.

 

[Gmonkee]

The value in certian assets is strictly in the use.

My bike would sell for maybe 30 bucks open market, my long term investment in it is far greater.
The value is the savings in time and money NOT paid for public transport. It costs a tiny fraction of what a car would to maintain.

So a seemingly worthless item has all its value in the use of it, not in resale.
Personal electronics are consumables. They are expected to be used up and replaced sooner or later.
A total **** shoot on resale from total loss to breaking even at best.

Our home is our only true asset. The only thing that is not guaranteed to lower in value over time.
Everything in it will sooner or later be replaced with a newer version including the people.

Just enjoy what you have. Move it on when ypou don't anymore.

 

[sberry]

I actually paid people to remove my junk. The economics I don't understand were a weight and not an asset. We had stripped anything we wanted or needed. I got half a million in buildings and not keeping **** I dont need or cant sell and wont bring 500 at a yard sale.

 

[sberry]

Yep, because age is the sole determinant for a good's value.

Not at all. As someone pointed out use is a value too. We didn't use it, no one wanted to pay for it, no parts we wanted from it, = no value. It was a liability.
I have several pieces that are worth 100 scrap and are decades old, they have a use and have to have them. Just spent a day fixing one, didn't improve its market value at all. We need the thing and it saves hundreds in labor.

 

[1LargeDog]

Wow, this is one funny thread. Lots of good points made as well as some bad ones. Sounds like while some things are worth restoring others should not be. A compressor? Maybe if it can be done reasonably or you can fabricate the parts yourself as a project. That being said, where will we be without all of those Velocity car shows about restoring old vehicles. Plenty of old cars out there and no source of parts so one would be forced to fabricate them or delegate the project to the scrap pile. Hmmmm, wonder what my titanium knees would be worth in a few years....

 

[DougWil]

Wow, this is one funny thread. Lots of good points made as well as some bad ones. Sounds like while some things are worth restoring others should not be. A compressor? Maybe if it can be done reasonably or you can fabricate the parts yourself as a project.

It is a very funny thread, who knew how wacky it would get.

The compressor pump will be rebuilt like the other 3 pumps I am rebuilding if parts can be found and at a comparable price to other overhaul kits, $125-150. Rings, con bearings, gaskets, seals etc...

If not it will be scrapped, I am not spending a pile of time making parts, finding what rings may interchange, learning Japanese, going into the compressor parts biz, etc,, to put it back together.



Who knows??
All that beautiful precision Japanese casting and machine work may be shipped putt-putt to China in a diesel powered ship, melted down in a pollution belching furnace using very dirty coal, recast with porosity and inclusions, crudely machined into a vastly inferior compressor pump with lower air flow efficiency by a machine operator that last week was operating a water buffalo, assembled with unskilled and some would say slave labor, slobbered with a toxic slurry passing as paint using a dead water buffalo's tail, shipped putt-putt back to the US on those same diesel powered ships, unloaded at port, trucked across the nation by diesel power and finally sold at Harbor Freight by a girl dolled up with nose rings and cheap tats making minimum wage (but who has the latest Iphone),,,, and will probably sold on credit.


Some will see that as wasteful, some as a fantastic and efficient economical model.