Vintage Craftsman Table Saw Thread

[BFBOB]

Thanks for the pointer, Rock Knocker. I've been lurking around on VintageMachinery and OWWM for the last couple of hours, and it's a fascinating place, very much like GJ. Haven't found the exact info I'm looking for yet, but picked up several good ideas about other things ... you know how that goes!

 

[Rock knocker]

I spent a while looking for the discussion about the very arbor and bearings we have. I couldn't find it for you.

 

[bagged89s10]

I knew it was fragile, I knew I would end up cracking it, and I did



I cracked the left side of the fence rail. I doubt it would use that section of the rail as I would usually use the fence on the right, but I'm pissed at myself. I was wheeling it back into my garage after using it to rip some plywood, and It got caught on a c-clamp I had on my workbench.

What are my options for repair to try and salvage the rail?

 

[Red Leader]

I knew it was fragile, I knew I would end up cracking it, and I did



I cracked the left side of the fence rail. I doubt it would use that section of the rail as I would usually use the fence on the right, but I'm pissed at myself. I was wheeling it back into my garage after using it to rip some plywood, and It got caught on a c-clamp I had on my workbench.

What are my options for repair to try and salvage the rail?

Don't be too upset - those are super common and relatively easy to find. You might ask around and see if someone has a spare lying around they could give you. No sweat, they aren't very strong

 

[jywilli69]

I am new to Vintage Craftsman Tools, so here is what I have.

Not pictured is my 1963 Craftsman RAS and my Jointer from Late 40's.
I have 2 Cast Iron Extensions to put on the 1st saw on the left.

 

[SeniorCitizen]

Good thread - lots of information, except what I need!
I have a couple of the ubiquitous 8" Craftsman table saws of the 103. variety. Been using one for ten years; the second I just bought for a donor- mostly because it has the nice cast iron wings. Now it appears it's more complete than I thought and I may be forced to put it back in usable condition. I'm going to mix and match to make one saw the best possible and maybe sell the other. I've been through these enough to know most of what makes 'em tick. The one thing I don't know is how to replace the arbor bearings. I can't see any kind of bearing retainer, screwed on or c-clip as some have. Is it possible they're just pressed in? I'd sure hate to stick it on the 20-ton and find out the hard way there's some retainer I didn't see! The two saws are: user - 103.23834. Donor - 103.22161. They appear identical, but I've found some detail differences in the rip fences. Any help will be much appreciated!

Those bearings are push fit. No press necessary.

This arbor assembly is from an older saw but most likely you'll find the same or similar arrangement. If the bearings are smooth and not pitted just clean, pack with bearing grease and re-install for another 20 years.

 

[BlueBomber]

I am new to Vintage Craftsman Tools, so here is what I have.

Not pictured is my 1963 Craftsman RAS and my Jointer from Late 40's.
I have 2 Cast Iron Extensions to put on the 1st saw on the left.

Welcome to Garage Journal, Jywilli69. That's a nice collection. What's the model number on your table saw on the the left? I see your saw still has the first-to-go blade guard - nice.

Also, what's the Craftsman tool in the middle of your picture?

Mike

 

[Rock knocker]

Looks like a table saw with a tilting table, versus the common (and safer) tilting arbors of today

 

[BlueBomber]

Reviving the thread by adding another garage sale find from today, an 8-inch with no extensions, fence guard or miter slide, but came with the motor in an original Craftsman Crowntop logo box. Since I have two table saws already, I offered it to a buddy for my purchase price of $20. Now he'll have two saws as well!

 

[paulm12]

Here's what I got for free. Was smoking a bit after I turned on, thought it was bearings, replaced them, but ended up being the stator windings. I should have checked more carefully at the start. It is a cheaper direct drive model 113.24140. Also has a 9" blade, what an odd size. Anyways, its a parts machine now. I learned a bit on this (my first attempt at fixing up a table saw). If anyone needs any parts from this model, let me know.

 

[McFarmer]

Has anybody mounted a router to the underside of their extension wings? I want to mount my new 1/2" dewalt router to my 8" saw.

Not my 10" because the wings are too deep.

I have an idea to make the fence work, just not sure about mounting and overcoming the depth of the wings.

Here's mine. It uses the same fence. I put a switched outlet under the table for the router.

My grandad bought the saw new in the '60s.

 

[zkling]

How did I misss this thread? I have one of the 8" built like a 10" units. 1hp and with a thin, good quality blade anything under 2" and under it works great. Stock fence *****, webbed extensions are a bit of a pain IMHO.

Has anybody mounted a router to the underside of their extension wings? I want to mount my new 1/2" dewalt router to my 8" saw.
.

I made a router table extension for mine out of ply and hardboard top. You need to watch the weight of the cantilever for one, and having a webed router table is not very practical. Webed extension goes on the left, router table is on the right side. Use a router table insert for lift that you can easily retract for the fence. I looked for years for another webbed extension wing till it finally hit me that it wouldn't be all that great.

 

[bagged89s10]

Picked this up this morning for $50. 8" craftsman table saw with custom built dust cabinet, square d switch, 2 extension wings, fence, a walker turner miter gauge, original manual, and custom rollers towards the back.

It's a pretty cool dust collection cabinet. It was full of sawdust before I vacuumed it out.

This one is slightly smaller than my other craftsman 10", but the accessories make it much better and slightly more compact to fit in my garage. Now I need to part out or sell the 10" saw.

 

[zkling]

Yep, those 10" units really take the space. That should be one of the 22" deep 8" saws. Good machine for the not to serious wood worker.

 

[bagged89s10]

Yep, those 10" units really take the space. That should be one of the 22" deep 8" saws. Good machine for the not to serious wood worker.

Yeah I only do woodworking projects maybe once a year. The 10" is like 27" or so. I realized this 8" is perfect for what I need and it looks cool too.

 

[zkling]

Standard 10" table saw size is 27" front to back, on a motor out the back saw that makes the machine take up quite a bit of space. Most 8" saws are only 18 or 20" deep, where as your new one should be 22" deep and with the motor ~27"-30 overall. What HP motor is on there? I run the cheap(er) freud thin kerf 7 1/4" (circular saw) blades for most work, but I am far from a fine wood worker.

 

[bagged89s10]

Standard 10" table saw size is 27" front to back, on a motor out the back saw that makes the machine take up quite a bit of space. Most 8" saws are only 18 or 20" deep, where as your new one should be 22" deep and with the motor ~27"-30 overall. What HP motor is on there? I run the cheap(er) freud thin kerf 7 1/4" (circular saw) blades for most work, but I am far from a fine wood worker.

It has a 3/4 HP. Same motor and housing as my 10".

The model number on the 8" is 113.27580. The model number on the 10" is 113.27520.

I have a drawer full of 7-1/4" and 8" blades and dado sets which will eventually get some use.
So far, the only things I've made that needed straight rips and dados are a closet organizer and a pull out pantry insert for the kitchen pantry closet. I made the bedroom closet organizer before I owned a table saw and I used just a circular saw. It's just not very easy to keep a circular saw perfectly perpendicular.

 

[Hankoh]

Bagged89s10 - Nice saws! The rear roller you have was an option (you referred to it as "custom" - I assume you thought a previous owner fabricated it himself?). Those were an optional accessory - I have a set with the 2160 model that my father bought new in the 50's.

 

[bagged89s10]

Bagged89s10 - Nice saws! The rear roller you have was an option (you referred to it as "custom" - I assume you thought a previous owner fabricated it himself?). Those were an optional accessory - I have a set with the 2160 model that my father bought new in the 50's.

That's even better that they were an option. I kind of thought that since they had some matching stamped on them. I just didn't look at them closely. Thanks Hankoh

 

[BlueBomber]

I rescued this old guy from the scrap pile in the last hour of a three-day estate sale. The company was already starting to clean up and organize the heavy stuff for the scrapper. I got him for $20 with the fence, blade guard, miter slide and a too-small Westinghouse 1/4hp motor.




I stuffed him way back under one of my work benches, to be cleaned up at a later date.

 

[paulm12]

Good save, and great price. Cant wait to see the finished product.

 

[Squashfest81]

All packed away. The one on the left was a side of the road save with miter and fence. I purchased the one on the right as it has extensions, which I had never seen. Two cast pieces with slots and marked 103. two side pieces are sheet metal.
BlueB, I'll send you a pm as this new find, next post, will replace that project.

 

[Squashfest81]

The elusive 109 Craftsman Builders Saw from the 40's. She is an odd machine. Yes the blade guard has a handle. How else could you pull the blade through the work? Anyone have a spare miter that mounts in those holes and keyway?

3/4 horse motor.

And a poor shot of the rails and system to move the blade like a radial arm saw. It even slides nice.

 

[Dennis Leigh Henry]

Bluebomber,

Is the last picture in post #1 with the dust collector with the "door" or access panel removed.. and is that the years of sawdust collected..? If so, that is a very interesting historic (artistic?) view of that tool's history.. Very neat picture..

How old is Vintage? I have a CM digital / electronic from the late 70's or early 80s..

 

[softailgarage]

Now, how did I miss this thread? I got into restoring Craftsman Table Saws about 3 or 4 years ago. model #'s - 103.22161, 103.22171, 103.22181, 103.21041, 113.22411 & 113.29990. It would take me about 1 month to 1 and that was every night after work and most of the weekend. I would take off the paint to the metal, then prime and paint, all the knobs would be brought back to life with a bench top buffer (no wire wheel!) as well as the trunnion. The trunnion would be completely torn down, frame painted and every metal piece buffed to a chrome finish then re-assembled. I could usually pick up one from CL for about $35.00-$65.00 and would sell for $200.00 - $250.00. Its been awhile since the last one, I kinda got hooked on doing the Craftsman bench grinders, then the Craftsman drill presses and now the Craftsman band saws ( I love the old Craftsman stuff from the 50's & 60's) I would take step by step pictures, so needless to say I have hundreds, here's a few... (BTW, I still have parts if anyone is looking)

 

[BlueBomber]

Now, how did I miss this thread? I got into restoring Craftsman Table Saws about 3 or 4 years ago. model #'s - 103.22161, 103.22171, 103.22181, 103.21041, 113.22411 & 113.29990. It would take me about 1 month to 1 and that was every night after work and most of the weekend. I would take off the paint to the metal, then prime and paint, all the knobs would be brought back to life with a bench top buffer (no wire wheel!) as well as the trunnion. The trunnion would be completely torn down, frame painted and every metal piece buffed to a chrome finish then re-assembled. I could usually pick up one from CL for about $35.00-$65.00 and would sell for $200.00 - $250.00. Its been awhile since the last one, I kinda got hooked on doing the Craftsman bench grinders, then the Craftsman drill presses and now the Craftsman band saws ( I love the old Craftsman stuff from the 50's & 60's) I would take step by step pictures, so needless to say I have hundreds, here's a few... (BTW, I still have parts if anyone is looking)

Beeeee-yooo-tiful restorations, Softtail! Some people say original condition is better, but your work makes a strong case for the other side!

Bluebomber,

Is the last picture in post #1 with the dust collector with the "door" or access panel removed.. and is that the years of sawdust collected..? If so, that is a very interesting historic (artistic?) view of that tool's history.. Very neat picture..

How old is Vintage? I have a CM digital / electronic from the late 70's or early 80s..

Dennis: yes, it is. I thought it was pretty neat, too.

As for hour old is old, post away. Some of us may not want to admit it, but 1980 was in fact 35 years ago. [emoji31]

The elusive 109 Craftsman Builders Saw from the 40's. She is an odd machine. Yes the blade guard has a handle. How else could you pull the blade through the work? Anyone have a spare miter that mounts in those holes and keyway?

3/4 horse motor.

And a poor shot of the rails and system to move the blade like a radial arm saw. It even slides nice.

Now that's just cool! I've never seen one of those before. Be sure to post a restoration thread and final pix here.

 

[bczygan]

Better add mine to the list.

It's a 9" 103.22180

Picked it up a couple days ago for free.

No blade guard but has the stamped steel and cast table extensions and miter gauge and a bunch of blades. 3/4HP Craftsman motor. Also had a Portalign.

Bill

 

[bczygan]

It also came with all the paperwork for everything:

 

[bczygan]

Neither the motor manual nor the table saw manual exist on Vintage Machinery. They would make nice contributions.

Yes, I noticed that when I posted the saw on there, and determined to add them. When I get a few minutes, I will scan them.

Bill

 

[Dennis Leigh Henry]

photos and prior comments removed for brevity..


Dennis: yes, it is. I thought it was pretty neat, too.

As for hour old is old, post away. Some of us may not want to admit it, but 1980 was in fact 35 years ago. [emoji31]


Now that's just cool! I've never seen one of those before. Be sure to post a restoration thread and final pix here.[/QUOTE]

*****
The sawdust kind of can be read like the rings of a tree from that picture... Really cool. Would make an excellent high def. picture to hang on the wall...

 

[softailgarage]

I would really like to get my hands on a couple of OE stands.

 

[paulm12]

Softail: 1st of all, very impressive work. 2nd, I have a stand from a 8" saw (direct drive though). Not sure if that would work for you. Send me a note if interested.

 

[softailgarage]

PM sent

 

[paulm12]

picture of the 9" model. I scrapped the motor, still have the 2-part stand and the cast table top.

 

[Dennis Leigh Henry]

photos and prior comments removed for brevity..


Dennis: yes, it is. I thought it was pretty neat, too.

As for hour old is old, post away. Some of us may not want to admit it, but 1980 was in fact 35 years ago. [emoji31]


Now that's just cool! I've never seen one of those before. Be sure to post a restoration thread and final pix here.

*****
The sawdust kind of can be read like the rings of a tree from that picture... Really cool. Would make an excellent high def. picture to hang on the wall...

[/QUOTE]

Here is my CM electronic controls table saw.. As stated above.. its not in its 30's.. Included some of the vintage accessories on my pegboard adjacent to it..

 

[Squashfest81]

DLH, that digital TS is a very cool piece. Thought they only did that with the radials. And it replaces the cranks? Are there still manual locks? Very 90's. Now I need to find one as scrap, just to keep that control panel, anyone?

 

[Dennis Leigh Henry]

No handles, and no manual locks.. I've had to disassemble it a few times to tighten up various things and its very similar to the manual ones except for the digital controls and stepper motors...

 

[AdrianBoomer]

103.22610 (8") (My Second Favourite)
103.20009 (9")
113.27520 (10") (My favourite)
113.29990 (10")

I rebuilt all these saws and motors and have tons of photos and interesting stories if anyone wants to chat about it, needs info or what ever. I did arbor rebuilds, bearing replacements, centrifugal switches in the motors, tons of rust busting LOL. I don't know why I love these saws so much but hey, here we are.

 

[AdrianBoomer]

I would love to see some more C-man "100"s. Although this isin't my favorite in the fleet I don't come across them very often. The Arbor is a very simple design and the amount of Iron in this saw is pretty incredible. I would love to see some pics if anyone one in their shop.

 

[pdubss]

A couple of pictures of mine. Planning on new bearings and paint at some point.

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