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Vintage First Ever Snap-On Socket Set

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porphyre

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I know you didn't come here looking to sell these gems but this is the exact set that would complete my collection. Please consider the sale of these to me for the price of $30,000 in US dollars. I would like to conduct this through my esteemed intermediary X1Mike. If you send him the tools postage paid I will wire you the sum of $30,000 plus any postage and insurance as soon as the consulate releases my families money. My trusted friend X1Mike will make sure I get them in my home country of Nigeria.


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REVEREND .ODUOBI DARLINGTON TOKUNBO
FINANCIAL CONTROL/BOARD SECRETARY

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Whoa now. I think everyone should be wary of this "X1Mike" guy. He is obviously NOT a true Nigerian. A real Nigerian would provide a check for $50,000 and ask the seller to wire back the extra $20k.

This is obviously a scam Nigerian scam.
 
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porphyre, you are right. i don't even know any Nigerians. That doesn't change the fact that I would love to see a mackerel on the op's head.
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I think the original poster is on the level, I happen to have the handkerchief that belonged to the founder of Snap On and they have offered me 16k a year to display it, I thought I'd offer it to you guys first.


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charlienibbs

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i came here to garage journal to seek advice. to all the insults and bashing, im sorry to think that this place is not a place to seek advice. i did not come here to sell tools...i know that u guys are looking at the "T" frank mossberg and basing all this argument on the "T" frank mossberg....but you're not basing it on the un-coded sockets...based on snap-on's history none of their first snap on's are marked...if u look at the history frank mossberg was acquired by snap-on. were are looking at the end of frank mossberg and the beginning of snap-on...and that's where everything change.



name the 2 people that has the only existing socket's of the very first snap on...only then u can talk to me and that u did ur research. and not a lot of people know this
 

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i came here to garage journal to seek advice. to all the insults and bashing, im sorry to think that this place is not a place to seek advice. i did not come here to sell tools...i know that u guys are looking at the "T" frank mossberg and basing all this argument on the "T" frank mossberg....but you're not basing it on the un-coded sockets...based on snap-on's history none of their first snap on's are marked...if u look at the history frank mossberg was acquired by snap-on. were are looking at the end of frank mossberg and the beginning of snap-on...and that's where everything change.



name the 2 people that has the only existing socket's of the very first snap on...only then u can talk to me and that u did ur research. and not a lot of people know this

if snapmom says it isn't s-o, good enough for me. her and the other s-o collectors have forgotten more on it than most of us will ever know. bring on your authorities, i would love to see them hash it out. til then i will go with what they say.
 

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i still say loan them, without documentation, they will sell for diddly at an auction.

$1000 a month is chump change for something as priceless as these. Artfully strung up on a piece of wire and shoved in a drawer somewhere is the only way to display them.
 

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That was a marketing expense that was worth every penny for the brand exposure.

Yeah now all the morons in the world will flock to Costco to buy the oh so popular flashlight/knife combo kits and be just like those guys at OCC. :spit:
 
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charlienibbs

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if snapmom says it isn't s-o, good enough for me. her and the other s-o collectors have forgotten more on it than most of us will ever know. bring on your authorities, i would love to see them hash it out. til then i will go with what they say.

what makes snapmom an expert? the sockets don't have any markings on them whatsoever....not even an "M" if they are really frank mossberg. the "T" is the only thing with a frank mossberg on it...the sockets are completely blank.

after doing great amount of research, i have found that the very earliest snap on sockets had only size markings, or no markings at all! and that is the point i am trying to make and send across!!!!!

i did not come here to troll or make jokes. i came to garage journal to seek and ask for advice. i am serious about this.
 

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Great entertainment value, and I see no reason to insult the OP, even though I doubt these are anything but the fairly common tools its been suggested they are.

Almost certainly this is a mixed collection of various brands and eras, and without markings the only things I can think to check are manufacturing artifacts and metallurgy.
 

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based on snap-on's history none of their first snap on's are marked...if u look at the history frank mossberg was acquired by snap-on. were are looking at the end of frank mossberg and the beginning of snap-on...and that's where everything change.

mossberg was acquired by APCO.........not snap on.

quote fro AA......
During the 1920s the company continued to expand its automotive service tools line. In 1927 the company was reorganized as the APCO-Mossberg Company by merger with APCO (The Auto Parts Company) of Providence, Rhode Island. APCO was a maker of parts and specialty tools for the Model T Ford, and some examples of their products can be seen in a later section.

Sometime during the 1930s APCO-Mossberg decided to drop their general service tools, perhaps because of excess competition, and became instead a specialized maker of torque measurement products. The APCO-Mossberg torque products remained in production for many years




name the 2 people that has the only existing socket's of the very first snap on...only then u can talk to me and that u did ur research. and not a lot of people know this

chads and snapmom..........:lol_hitti


why would you come here asking for help from experts only to argue with them unless of course you are a.......
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most of us have already done our resarch, now do yours:spit:
 

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what makes snapmom an expert? the sockets don't have any markings on them whatsoever....not even an "M" if they are really frank mossberg. the "T" is the only thing with a frank mossberg on it...the sockets are completely blank.

after doing great amount of research, i have found that the very earliest snap on sockets had only size markings, or no markings at all! and that is the point i am trying to make and send across!!!!!

i did not come here to troll or make jokes. i came to garage journal to seek and ask for advice. i am serious about this.

snapmom has a very extensive collection of known s-o items. she has shown and displayed them here and other places. her knowledge is vast and quite accurate. her reputation speaks for itself. your reputation good or bad is unknown. for some reason you have gotten off to a bad start here. not many newbies stir the pot like this right from the start. like it or not, wether you become a valued member of this community or flashin the pan is up to you. the path you have started on is not good so far. ask questions and listen and you will be amazed. make assumptions question everyone else as a newbi and you willburn out fast. unless you come up with something to validate yourself it is all just talk and these guys have seen plenty of talkers. good luck.
 

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mr. nibbs, here for your consideration is a advertisement dated 1920 (snap ons first year) showing what the "first ever" socket set looked like........

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your claims of $1k per month and $50k for the set are simply ********...............
 

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i came here to garage journal to seek advice. to all the insults and bashing, im sorry to think that this place is not a place to seek advice. i did not come here to sell tools...i know that u guys are looking at the "T" frank mossberg and basing all this argument on the "T" frank mossberg....but you're not basing it on the un-coded sockets...based on snap-on's history none of their first snap on's are marked...if u look at the history frank mossberg was acquired by snap-on. were are looking at the end of frank mossberg and the beginning of snap-on...and that's where everything change.



name the 2 people that has the only existing socket's of the very first snap on...only then u can talk to me and that u did ur research. and not a lot of people know this


Im not here to bash you, or call you a troll, but I do see you have made some assumptions here.

Snapmom, I, and some other collectors have a few of the first, unmarked snap on sockets in our collections.

The very first snap on sockets were not marked with a company marking, that you are correct in. However, they are unmarked versions of the standard 1920's knurled band, lathe turned and cold broached sockets, with just the size marked on them, in the same exact font as used to mark the next few years of snap on sockets.

The idea of an interchangeable socket machined from solid steel stock, and the broached was Johnson and Sidemans invention. It was a strong method that replaced the weak stretched steel tube and cast sockets that were on the market for the previous 20+ years.

Unmarked (as in not marked with an "M") stretched sockets like yours are very common. I have some, that came in tool lots I have purchased. These stretched style sockets were marketed by well over a dozen companies around the turn of the century and beyond.

I do have a scan of the earliest snap on fold out brochure, from 1920. It is so primitive, that everything about it pre-dates any advertising drawings, tool set names and part numbers, logo's, etc, however, the sockets shown and discussed are lathe turned, and broached sockets.

For the record, most all Snap on dealers, and anyone at Snap on corporate these days knows not much of anything about the history of the companies tools, in an in depth manner. They are the last people who's word I would trust. There are a few die-hard collectors such as Snapmom and myself, who have dug very deep and worked very hard to study this area of history, and collect examples of the early tools and literature. Our collections and research easily prove and trace the origins of the Snap-on brand products, and these tools are just too easily proven to not fit in the timeline.
 
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arkangel06

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to the OP Why dont you show us the first cheque snap on cuts you for a grand? Until then we can leave it with....

put up or shut up.
 

stricht8

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So how much is a Frank Mossberg pressed steel ratchet worth? I can buy one for a buck.
 
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