i came here to garage journal to seek advice. to all the insults and bashing, im sorry to think that this place is not a place to seek advice. i did not come here to sell tools...i know that u guys are looking at the "T" frank mossberg and basing all this argument on the "T" frank mossberg....but you're not basing it on the un-coded sockets...based on snap-on's history none of their first snap on's are marked...if u look at the history frank mossberg was acquired by snap-on. were are looking at the end of frank mossberg and the beginning of snap-on...and that's where everything change.
name the 2 people that has the only existing socket's of the very first snap on...only then u can talk to me and that u did ur research. and not a lot of people know this
Im not here to bash you, or call you a troll, but I do see you have made some assumptions here.
Snapmom, I, and some other collectors have a few of the first, unmarked snap on sockets in our collections.
The very first snap on sockets were not marked with a company marking, that you are correct in. However, they are unmarked versions of the standard 1920's knurled band, lathe turned and cold broached sockets, with just the size marked on them, in the same exact font as used to mark the next few years of snap on sockets.
The idea of an interchangeable socket machined from solid steel stock, and the broached was Johnson and Sidemans invention. It was a strong method that replaced the weak stretched steel tube and cast sockets that were on the market for the previous 20+ years.
Unmarked (as in not marked with an "M") stretched sockets like yours are very common. I have some, that came in tool lots I have purchased. These stretched style sockets were marketed by well over a dozen companies around the turn of the century and beyond.
I do have a scan of the earliest snap on fold out brochure, from 1920. It is so primitive, that everything about it pre-dates any advertising drawings, tool set names and part numbers, logo's, etc, however, the sockets shown and discussed are lathe turned, and broached sockets.
For the record, most all Snap on dealers, and anyone at Snap on corporate these days knows not much of anything about the history of the companies tools, in an in depth manner. They are the last people who's word I would trust. There are a few die-hard collectors such as Snapmom and myself, who have dug very deep and worked very hard to study this area of history, and collect examples of the early tools and literature. Our collections and research easily prove and trace the origins of the Snap-on brand products, and these tools are just too easily proven to not fit in the timeline.