Sam'sAutoParts
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60s from I have observed. I think it was in the SK Wayne era.
Vintage S-K Tools
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r_olson_06
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There was the Sherman Klove era previous to the Wayne generation which according to AA would be 1940s. This shows a diamond logo.
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d42jeep
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I believe the change was made right after WW2 when S-K resumed Chrome plating the tools.
-Don
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r_olson_06
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Them are some nice 1/4" sets and early ones. I think you have more than I do. I will have to do a group shot of my vintage SK sets
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Sam'sAutoParts
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Errr....I was talking about the socket cases. Metal tag verses a decal, and now I'm lost.
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Sam'sAutoParts
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As usual I have been out gunned. I was thinking of the Lectrolite era decals and just didn't think of the earlier sets that had the riveted badges.
d42jeep
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Here is a set that I would consider postwar. It has the chrome knurled sockets and the Diamond logo on the drive tools. I have been keeping a much later green handle spinner in the set but it probably should have the amber handle spinner.
-Don
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Private Lugnutz
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humber2, Sam, Don, Todd,
I deleted my post above rather than edit it yet one more time...
I was mistaken. On closer inspection, the boxes illustrated in the SK 1952 box set pamphlet on the Tool Archives also show what sure look to me like the transfer decals with the pre-war/wartime logo. (But I wish you guys would look and tell me what you see.)
I'm not sure what AA is using to date the metal riveted decals to 1946, but the 1952 pamphlet sure seems to defy that interpretation.
The next catalog on Todd's site is the 1964 SK Wayne, and that logo and decal was, of course, completely different.
Based on the 1943 catalog and the 1952 pamphlet, it looks to me like those metal riveted decals with the slightly different SK logo have to be somewhere between 1952 and 1964.
Eager to hear other comments.
I deleted my post above rather than edit it yet one more time...
I was mistaken. On closer inspection, the boxes illustrated in the SK 1952 box set pamphlet on the Tool Archives also show what sure look to me like the transfer decals with the pre-war/wartime logo. (But I wish you guys would look and tell me what you see.)
I'm not sure what AA is using to date the metal riveted decals to 1946, but the 1952 pamphlet sure seems to defy that interpretation.
The next catalog on Todd's site is the 1964 SK Wayne, and that logo and decal was, of course, completely different.
Based on the 1943 catalog and the 1952 pamphlet, it looks to me like those metal riveted decals with the slightly different SK logo have to be somewhere between 1952 and 1964.
Eager to hear other comments.
d42jeep
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Lugz,
I'm not sure that I agree with your assessment of the flyer posted on Todd's site. As you say, those are all illustrations and not actual photos and could well have used older artwork. Todd doesn't have the actual date of the flyer and states that he is estimating. AA apparently has an actual 1949 catalog (which I would really like to see) and that may be why they state that the riveted tag started in 1946. Based on my found examples, the early chrome sets all have had the riveted tag. It would be nice if Tin Medic would come up with an appropriate catalog to eliminate any guesswork. Tin, are you listening?
-Don
Edit: here are some found examples including the nice galvanized box you sent me.
I'm not sure that I agree with your assessment of the flyer posted on Todd's site. As you say, those are all illustrations and not actual photos and could well have used older artwork. Todd doesn't have the actual date of the flyer and states that he is estimating. AA apparently has an actual 1949 catalog (which I would really like to see) and that may be why they state that the riveted tag started in 1946. Based on my found examples, the early chrome sets all have had the riveted tag. It would be nice if Tin Medic would come up with an appropriate catalog to eliminate any guesswork. Tin, are you listening?
-Don
Edit: here are some found examples including the nice galvanized box you sent me.
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Private Lugnutz
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Don,
Thanks for nutting through this with me.
I missed that the 1952 date was estimated - so thanks for pointing that out.
Older artwork is always a possibility, and you know it's a frequent caution of mine. In this case I did compare and note that the illustrations were completely different from the illustration used in the 1943 catalog. They could've been re-used from the 1949 and 1950 catalogs that AA says they have, and those catalogs certainly would be valuable to see, and if not see, at least have more direct statements from AA on how those catalogs contributed to their analysis. I guess I am skeptical of them introducing a metal tag in 1946 or thereabouts but making new illustrations showing transfer decals on their boxes.
I'm not sure what you mean by "early" in "early chrome sets." Most mfgrs resumed chrome plating in late 1945 and certainly by 1946, so I'm not sure how we can distinguish an "early" (late 1940's?) SK midget socket set with a riveted tag and chrome-plated tools from a "late/r" (1950's?) SK midget socket set with a riveted tag and chrome-plated tools without knowing when the riveted tags were introduced. I could be wrong, but I don't think the markings changed in that timeframe. Am I missing something there?
EDIT: I really need to stop sending you all my cool stuff!
Thanks for nutting through this with me.
I missed that the 1952 date was estimated - so thanks for pointing that out.
Older artwork is always a possibility, and you know it's a frequent caution of mine. In this case I did compare and note that the illustrations were completely different from the illustration used in the 1943 catalog. They could've been re-used from the 1949 and 1950 catalogs that AA says they have, and those catalogs certainly would be valuable to see, and if not see, at least have more direct statements from AA on how those catalogs contributed to their analysis. I guess I am skeptical of them introducing a metal tag in 1946 or thereabouts but making new illustrations showing transfer decals on their boxes.
I'm not sure what you mean by "early" in "early chrome sets." Most mfgrs resumed chrome plating in late 1945 and certainly by 1946, so I'm not sure how we can distinguish an "early" (late 1940's?) SK midget socket set with a riveted tag and chrome-plated tools from a "late/r" (1950's?) SK midget socket set with a riveted tag and chrome-plated tools without knowing when the riveted tags were introduced. I could be wrong, but I don't think the markings changed in that timeframe. Am I missing something there?
EDIT: I really need to stop sending you all my cool stuff!
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d42jeep
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I don't think you are missing anything. They used the riveted tag right up until the S-K Wayne era. Maybe someday we will know for sure when they started.
You should keep on sending me all your cool stuff!
-Don
You should keep on sending me all your cool stuff!
-Don
Private Lugnutz
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This isn't empirical, but what is the preponderance in the community of finding chromed tools in cases with transfer decals (as the 50's era pamphlet suggests)? If they're out there in number, I'd suspect those would be late 40's/early 50's. If not, I'd suspect the metal tag was immediate post-war as you and Todd conclude, despite the pamphlet. But yeah, it sure would be nice to have the 1949 and 1950 catalogs.
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Something to keep in mind when dating the tag on the box, which I don't think is being considered here, is the SK - Lectrolite era boxes. Which were still using a transfer decal at the time. Those boxes are post war, and before the SK - Wayne era. Perhaps the start date for the riveted tag can be narrowed down a bit more?
ganymede
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I think that just means they went back to a decal for a bit before the Wayne era.
Anyway that set is really quite nice.!
d42jeep
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Sure. Just throw a monkey wrench into the mix!
-Don
-Don
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Thanks! I finally found the last socket I needed, but I'm not sure if that set came with a cross bar for the breaker... Don't know if I'd ever find one for it anyway.
You're welcome.
M_George
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My dad brought me grandpa's old 3/8 socket set. Does anybody know what the item number of this set should be or know of a list of what items should be included? I would like to track down replacements for the missing items.
I have that set. It should have a plastic liner in the box that separates the sockets and ratchet / extensions.
Sam'sAutoParts
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I will look to see if I have pictures of the one I had. Sockets are 3/8" - 13/16 IIRC
Some of the sets had a paper tag in the lid that listed the sizes.
Edit: I think it is a 21 piece set, counting two extensions and the ratchet. Sockets should be 3/8-13/16 in both deep and shallow.
Some of the sets had a paper tag in the lid that listed the sizes.
Edit: I think it is a 21 piece set, counting two extensions and the ratchet. Sockets should be 3/8-13/16 in both deep and shallow.
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d42jeep
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That is a nice old box. It seems like it might be a good size to fill with tools and carry around in your Jeep. I picked up this postwar 1/2" drive speeder at the Tahoe flea yesterday for my S-K box.
-Don
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3baygarage
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Found part of a Kane set today guys! Too bad my ratchet is not here.
SK Eric, if you see this, is there any info on this brand? I found the ratchet patent as well, so that confirms who made them in my mind, not that the box set I saw online a while back wasn't a dead ringer for SK.
SK Eric, if you see this, is there any info on this brand? I found the ratchet patent as well, so that confirms who made them in my mind, not that the box set I saw online a while back wasn't a dead ringer for SK.
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r_olson_06
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Nice find. I only have ever seen 1 kane socket.Picture
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3baygarage
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Yeah, don't see these a whole lot. Anybody know who carried them? We had a little discussion several years back and there was a thread on the ratchet. I sent the OP there a message because the patent is online, which I just discovered today although a bit late, and now his pics are gone thanks to PB.
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Any idea on the source of these originally Todd. For being in the SK graceland there is no kane what so ever in these parts.
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twertsy
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I have yet to research who sold those. Its on the list.......somewhere.
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3baygarage
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Ran into some green goodness this weekend for the SPA display.
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Holy cow, did you get all those together? SPA???
And that would be the set!
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r_olson_06
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All but one. Had to pay a fair price for the. Didn't steal them by any means.Holy cow, did you get all those together? SPA???
And that would be the set!
SPA is a display from the dresser era. It is in the catalogs but it has 6 tool boards and is a 3 sided rotating display that would have sat in a store. I am unsure the reason for the SPA name.
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r_olson_06
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Didn't SK make a ratchet in Sherman era with that selector? I know they are extremely rare.
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Different mechanism in the Kane than the SK with similar selector.
Patent from Google:
https://www.google.com.gi/patents/US2744432
Patent from Google:
https://www.google.com.gi/patents/US2744432
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raiderhillbilly
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Sk made a similar selector in 1933, but it has a different internal design. This Kane Ratchet is one of the Great Theo Rheub patents late in his career.
https://www.google.com/patents/US19...ved=0ahUKEwjv1ZWL9ofWAhXF6CYKHeljAMwQ6AEISzAF
I think the Kane is based from this 1956 patent and since the ratchet is patent pending, i assume 1956 is a close guess to date this socket set.
https://www.google.com/patents/US27...ved=0ahUKEwjv1ZWL9ofWAhXF6CYKHeljAMwQ6AEIUjAG
https://www.google.com/patents/US19...ved=0ahUKEwjv1ZWL9ofWAhXF6CYKHeljAMwQ6AEISzAF
I think the Kane is based from this 1956 patent and since the ratchet is patent pending, i assume 1956 is a close guess to date this socket set.
https://www.google.com/patents/US27...ved=0ahUKEwjv1ZWL9ofWAhXF6CYKHeljAMwQ6AEIUjAG
twertsy
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Found some pics.
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