Vise Info Thread

[CRSINMICH]

beerhippie: Here's a Wiki entry for Russian measurement. The Soviet Union adopted the metric system by 1925.



four.cycle: That wrench certainly looks Imperial.

 

[Outlawmws]

Google:

In Tsarist Russia, manufacturing primarily utilized a system of measurement based on Russian ell, the arshin, which was standardized to 28 English inches (71.12 cm). Other units, like the pyad\' (hand span) and the vershok (thumb width), were also used. The metric system was introduced in 1899 but wasn't fully adopted until after the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution.

 

[Beerhippie]

^ might have been metric or imperial.

Since they'd fairly recently fought a long and terrible war with Napoleon, I doubt they'd have been using metric. I do know that they used some odd measures in the marketplace.

 

[four.cycle]

four.cycle: That wrench certainly looks Imperial.

it is. 7/16" x 1/2"
that was a fun one to identify. an ebay seller in Ukraine helped me with that one:
Y.T.C.M / (as it appears on the wrench) Ukranian Trust of Agricultural Engineering, Odessa, Ukraine / marked "3OP" (ZOR) "Plant of the October Revolution" / marked "Odessa" on reverse (in Cyrillic) / Johannes Gen plant operated independently until 1917 /

... and that chart is a bit whacky: a fathom is six feet.

 

[Outlawmws]

... and that chart is a bit whacky: a fathom is six feet.

Apparently a Tsarist Russian Fathom was 7...

 

[four.cycle]

^ long fathoms, short yards....

got it.

 

[CRSINMICH]

Another Russian fun-fact: In 1904, Russian serfs were penniless and the Tsar was Nicholas.

 

[FMC1959]

I wasn't aware that many of you are very knowledgeable about Russia and Russian measurements. (The Russian Info Thread!).

 

[Outlawmws]

I wasn't aware that many of you are very knowledgeable about Russia and Russian measurements. (The Russian Info Thread!).

We aren't, but Google is our friend. (sometimes)

 

[Beerhippie]

We aren't, but Google is our friend. (sometimes)

All I knew was that they had some pretty... arcane... measures.

But didn't everyone?

 

[Outlawmws]

All I knew was that they had some pretty... arcane... measures.

But didn't everyone?

Pretty much, one way or another.

 

[tool_scrounge]

Hollands 1182 vise. I do not see this in the spreadsheet.
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[CRSINMICH]

NACO HOMESHOP VISE
From Naco Products division of R.F. Nauman Manufacturers

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[CRSINMICH]

BOLLER Carpenter's Vise
Peter Boller Machine Works
Another Versa-Vise clone. The 1901 patent was to John Long



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[CRSINMICH]

1937 Rock Island No.502 Utility Vise
This was in an Atlas Vise catalog.
(It's not on the spreadsheet)

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[KMScott]

Got it. Thanks CRS

 

[CRSINMICH]

THE VICTOR VISE
Victor Tool Company
(This doesn't seem to be related to other Victor vises or vise companies named Victor)



Did everybody copy this style?​

 

[KMScott]

RAE 206 6 ‘ jaws that opens to 9” and weights 127 lbs.

 

[mr.reed mr. ruh]

American Scale #2 2-3/4 jaws and weights 10lbs.

Hey Kmscott I just recently got one of these and was curious if you know what the main screw sizes are on this vise? Id really appreciate any info on it as I’m missing the entire handle and screw for it

 

[KMScott]

Hey Kmscott I just recently got one of these and was curious if you know what the main screw sizes are on this vise? Id really appreciate any info on it as I’m missing the entire handle and screw for it

Can’t help you. If you have the nut then you can figure out what size the spindle thread you have and calculate the length with your Dynamic slide. I did not own the small American Scale vise like yours.

 

[CRSINMICH]

MORGAN JUNIOR Bench Vise
Morgan Vise Company
Jaw width: 3"
Opens to 4"
Weight: 12 lbs.
There is not much (if any) information about this vise.
There are references to Morgan Junior vises but they are Woodworking vises*



BONUS: Specs for Morgan Junior WW vise
*It could be "junior" referred to the woodworkers not the vises.​

 

[KMScott]

Athol #77. 2” jaws. Looks like a home made stand for the swivel vise that releases from under a bench.

 

[Outlawmws]

I like what someone did with that stand.

 

[RTM]

I like what someone did with that stand.

So much more elegant, and higher, than my 1x4 clamped in my Reed 203.5.

 

[KMScott]

I made a hard Maple stand for this old Erie vise for a friend here on the island. Tuff vises to mount in today’s benches.

 

[CRSINMICH]

FASTMATIC VISE
Fastmatic Vise Company, Boston, Mass
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[KMScott]

Hollands #80. 4-1/2” jaws that opens 9” and weights 56lbs. Coachmakers vise.

 

[KMScott]

Hollands catalog page.

 

[akasrick]

I didn't know they made a plunger style swivel.

akasrick

 

[CRSINMICH]

FWIW -
One of the vises on the Hollands catalog page was identified as
Hough's Extra Heavy Combination Pipe Vise
Robert Hough had an 1898 patent for a pipe-vise which was assigned to Hollands.
It's not the one pictured in the catalog though.

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[akasrick]

Looks as if they were all trying to solve the "positive lock problem"

akasrick

 

[akasrick]

Looks as if they were all trying to solve the "positive lock problem"

akasrick

There were probably just as many cheater bars put on those wing nuts as on the handles.

akasrick

 

[CRSINMICH]

Here's the description of Hough's patent:

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[KMScott]

Western Tool & Mfg. Co. Champion #12. 3-1/2" jaws that opens to 5" and weights 30 lbs.

 

[KMScott]

Craftsman 5247. 2-1/2” Clampon that opens to 2-1/4 and weights 3-5/8 lbs

 

[CRSINMICH]

Vises by:
GENERAL HARDWARE COMPANY CO. of Milwaukee
GENERAL HARDWARE MANUFACTURING CO. of New York
(Don't get them confused with each other)

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[Outlawmws]

Interesting - That Vacu-Vise base was copied, first by Japan, and later Taiwan/Asian companies a lot. possibly the whole vise, but the ones I usually see have a double swivel head like the magic Asian bench vises,

 

[twagler]

Interesting -0 that Vacu-Vise base was copied, first by Japan, and later Taiwan/Asian companies a lot. possibly the whole vise, but the ones I usually see have a double swivel head like the magic Asian bench vises,

I actually purchased one of those small double swivel head magic Asian vacuum base mini-vises a while back. It happens to be an unbranded version, but commonly seen branded versions include Oxwall, JSB (James S. Baker Imports) and believe it or not, Wilton even sold a version of these vises, the Model 525 (see pictures below).

Here's the Wilton version:




And here is an Oxwall, JSB, and my unbranded version, respectively. For a mini-vise, they are actually quite respectable, with decent casting quality and machining.

 

[Outlawmws]

That's the one - I have two of them, mostly for nostalgia's sake - One has no marks, the other has Taiwan cast in the base;

I got one "back in the day", as a gift one Christmas, that I used for model making. Probably in the 6th or 7th grade or so? I busted it over tightening it - the main screw nut busted the threaded part out of the plate.

 

[barnpicker]

Simpson Quick Adjusting and Standard vise Catalog page.