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What do you regret most?

dcg9381

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My question to you all what do you regret most that you didn’t do and wish you did?
  • I would have run additional electrical conduit spanning the foundation on the inside. Probably 1-1/4". You can throw PEX in it, electrical in it, beats having to go up and all the way around.
  • Make sure your concrete guys slope everything away. Here foundations go up first, but you really need to make sure those concrete guys put in cut-outs for the doors and keep everything sloped away. I've got a nice "standing water" low spot right outside my man-door. In worse cases, driveway didn't have enough slope and put water INTO the building.
  • Drop J conduit to the outside before the foundation. All 4 corners. "future use" - could be plumbing, water, whatever. Much harder to do when concrete is in.
  • Grounding - if you don't have electrical there now, you can likely ground to foundation rebar.
  • A means to get "data" into the building. These metal buildings are great RF shields, mine needs access points inside and out.
It's a really nice looking building design.
 
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jhelrey

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Sounds like you've already got it covered, but for me it was a bathroom.

I have water to the barn, but not sewer.

I made the mistake of worrying more about keeping costs down, than usability. I should have paid the extra grand to get all the plumbing stubbed out for a bathroom. My life would be much easier. Now I have to find a tree, which is no fun in February during a blinding snowstorm.
No floor drain?!
 
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midwest_diy

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No floor drain?!
That’s what I am looking into. I have drains in the utility room and wash sink area. To tie into sewer a very costly oil separator is needed. I was quoted $5600 for the separator alone. I plan to do the far bay with 16 foot trench drain. The work area I want flat because I drag race and chassis set ups are very important to have flat ground. I can wash floor and squeegee to drain that will tie into my dry well I did for the gutter drains. I have 6 of these plastic drywells with 14 ton of clean rock in this 9 foot deep 10x16 foot rock catch basin under ground in the back yard.
 

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pbon

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If one of you guys could call my mother in law and listen to her regrets, I would really appreciate it. I runs out of patience after the first hour.
 
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CV428

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My shop is not a social gathering place as I don't have friends

I am going to get this made into a sign that I am going to hang up over the door to my shop.
Most of my friends stabbed me in the back over the years, save for maybe 2 or 3. I just don't bother anymore. The shop is going to be my escape, and a place I can teach my son how to work on things.
 

zmotorsports

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I am going to get this made into a sign that I am going to hang up over the door to my shop.
Most of my friends stabbed me in the back over the years, save for maybe 2 or 3. I just don't bother anymore. The shop is going to be my escape, and a place I can teach my son how to work on things.

Sounds all too familiar. I had friends when I was giving my work away and spreading myself thin, but not after I put a stop to it and quit being a doormat. I watched another shop owner that I dealt with on multiple powersports builds, business slowly go downhill as his shop became a hang out and he treated it more like a boy's club. Sad because he was talented.

I heard something the other day that said "a true friend is someone who multiplies the joy and divides the struggles and grief." I think I can count on one hand how many people in my life fit that description and have several fingers left over.
 

CV428

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Sounds all too familiar. I had friends when I was giving my work away and spreading myself thin, but not after I put a stop to it and quit being a doormat. I watched another shop owner that I dealt with on multiple powersports builds, business slowly go downhill as his shop became a hang out and he treated it more like a boy's club. Sad because he was talented.

I heard something the other day that said "a true friend is someone who multiplies the joy and divides the struggles and grief." I think I can count on one hand how many people in my life fit that description and have several fingers left over.

I understand that all too well. When the "total and free access" to my time went away, most dropped contact.
 

u2slow

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My regrets are:
- restrictive bylaws that didn't allow me the sqft I wanted (750sqft max).
- not having the finances to be able to pay the contractor to completion. Costs overran so dry lockup was all I could muster.
 

Craig Balzer

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I have a 2400 sq ft shop so size seems OK (after 4.5 years working in it) -- for now.
BUT - I only built a 14' ceiling and now wanna put in a mezzanine - the vertical is pretty tight. A 16' ceiling woulda been better than my 14'.
I have
  • 54x 110V outlets
  • 5x 220V outlets
  • in-floor heat
  • commercial grade floor covering
  • a lift
  • a compressor
I have posted this list several times; one more can't hurt.. Folks here have already hit on many key points:


GENERAL
• Build as big as you can afford/fit on your property (or you'll regret it).
• You gotta know your plan inside and out – when the builder asks to move something elsewhere, only you can visualize the impact on other things / stuff
• Be flexible when reality shows up – also be true to your overall plan
• Windows? PRO: natural light – CON: entry point for a$$holes
• Skylight(s)? PRO: natural light – CON: then no attic
• Keep the building dimensions in multiples of 4 feet – reduces wastage of wood
• A mezzanine is good for long-time storage of large or awkward items; plan for where the staircase is gonna be placed; plan how to get heavy items up there and back down

FLOOR
• Gonna place light(s) in floor under lift??
• First thing you lay down is 10 mil vapor barrier
• Then closed-cell insulation – 2 inches thick
• In-floor tubing for radiant goes in before concrete pour – plan carefully if a lift is planned. Should be thicker concrete and limit pex tubing near posts


• Lay some plastic conduit in the floor before concrete is poured from the circuit box to the three other walls to allow future wiring to be run without tearing into walls or mounting conduit on the walls
o Since I forgot to do this, I installed a 2-3" PVC pipe in the upper left-hand corner of the circuit breaker box that terminates in the attic with another sweeping 90° curve. This easily allows fishing a new line (or two) into the circuit box. (See photo) The girts needed to be notched so the OSB would lay flat and metal straps were used to hold the pipe in place.
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• Thickness? 4” works. Except under lift – my pour was 9-12 inches thick under posts.
• Plan now for smoothness of finish on concrete - - epoxy covering?
• Gonna wash cars in there – floor drain(s)? Lot’s of environmental issues to learn

WALLS
• 2x4 vs 2x6 construction. A 2x6 is pennies more per board and allows thicker insulation
• I have R19 in my walls (Colorado) and the building is noticeably cooler in summer and stays warm in winter even during sub-freezing temps
• I have R49 blown-in above the ceiling
• Sheath with OSB vs Dry Wall. Dry wall looks prettier but to hang anything heavy requires finding a stud or two. OSB has more industrial appearance (and can be a ***** to paint – think “sponge”) but a shelf goes wherever you want to put it
• Windows – already covered
• Height of walls? 12 or 13’ allows most lifts to fit (I have 14’ ceilings in main room)
• Tall walls require more heating capacity, and costs more to heat

ELECTRICAL
• Plan where your 110v outlets are gonna be, then add 50% more of them (mine are 4 feet apart except where a window gets in the way); I have 45x 120V outlets in my 2300 sq ft hobby shop
• Are you gonna use 15- or 20-Amp circuits? (different wiring requirements and different fixtures)
• Place them 45-48” above the floor level so they aren’t hidden later by benches, toolboxes, etc
• Plan for outlet(s) on the exterior of each wall
• Plan for outlet(s) in ceiling for lift or drop light or other
• Plan for outlet(s) in ceiling for garage door opener
• Plan for outlets up high on wall: wall clock, TV, modern “smart” speakers, other
• Lights – fluorescent or LED? Dimmable? Dimmable LEDs are available but require different wiring and dimming switch
• Plan for exterior lights – Colorado Code requires a light above each man-door opening
• Plan for exterior lights – gonna have a patio nearby or BarBQ pit or horseshoe pit or Christmas lights?
• Plan for dedicated circuit for heater
• Plan for dedicated circuit for water heater
• Now plan where circuits are gonna start. Each can handle 8-10 outlets and need to start with a GFIC outlet
• Plan where your 220v outlets are gonna be. Consider welders, air compressor, lift, oven (powder coating), special tools, etc. Even if you won’t have these until the future, plan now to power them.

WATER
• Gonna have water in the garage? A sink to wash up before going into the house is priceless
• Gonna have water in the garage? A sink to wash parts is useful
• A shower is priceless to avoid getting SWMBO’s towels and linens filthy
• Toilet?
• Hot water is nice to wash cars in the winter
• Plan a hose bibb on at least one exterior wall and maybe one inside

A/C

HEAT

• Gonna use in-floor PEX? -- see notes on concrete.
• If not, propane or electric heater will need power and proper placement and capacity
• See comments re height of walls

STUFF
What toys do you have? What toys do you plan to have? Sketch your floor plan to scale on gridded paper; don’t forget to include windows, doors, and the circuit box. And then, to scale, place your toys. All of them. The easy ones are toolbox(es), benches, welders, air compressor, and the like. Did you remember to ID a place to store floor jacks? Creeper? Jack stands? Ladder(s)? Computer desk?

Find a place for place everything:
o Welder
o Plasma Cutter
o Grinder
o Polisher / Buffer
o Powder Coating Oven
o Blast Cabinet
o Parts Washer
o Microwave
o Refrigerator
o Charging station for cordless tools
o Desk lamp
o TV
o Stereo
o Computer
o Phone
o Wall Art / Neon signs
o Other

STORAGE

• Plan cabinet(s) to store hardware (nuts, bolts, washers, this and that)
• Plan cabinet(s) to store supplies, such as (paint, cleaners, paper towels, etc)
 

zmotorsports

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Kind of regret not buying a nicer house without a shop and spending money to build it rather than working on the house.

Funny you mention that Eric. Our first home we were just looking for a house with a large enough yard that we could afford. We wanted a nice enough home in which we could raise our upcoming family, but I didn't like the houses that we found which already had a detached garage/shop. We were finally able to build a nice shop a couple years later and were able to be quite comfortable in our first home for 26 years.

Fast forward to looking for our forever/dream home and our real estate friend kept trying to encourage us to find a home with an existing workshop as it would be pennies on the dollar compared to building later. While I 100% agreed with him, the ones that we saw were horrific and I finally told him after about six months to just find us the house using the requirements and guidelines that I laid out and we will take care of the shop because it doesn't exist anywhere except in my head. It still took us a few months to find a house we were happy with and checked all of the boxes, but then the real work began building the shop. I am so grateful we did it that way because the end result is exactly what we wanted.
 
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