What kinda "lines" does your tool guys shoot you?
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WRX/Z28
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I like to explain Snap on, or any other premium product this way:
Think of it in terms of cars. There are those of us that would love to have a ZR1, Ferrari, GT40, Shelby Cobra, what have you.
Some of us would say, wow, those are nice cars, too bad I can't justify it at the moment. Must be nice to own one.
Some of us say wow, those cars are not worth that kind of money. There is no way I'd ever pay that. People who do must be morons.
Then there are people that say, I'm so glad I bought this car. I've driven other cars, but I finally wanted one of the best, and now that I own one, I see what all the fuss is about.
These 3 types all occupy the same forum. So we get to hear each response repeatedly.
Which type are you?
Also, FWIW. What is "Expensive" and expensive for whom?
What purpose do your tools serve for you? Occaisional DIY use? Daily professional use?
If you were paid by the job, and your pay rate was a direct result of how many jobs you can get done in a day, what would it be worth to you to save a few minutes per job? How about saving a 1hr+ trip to buy tools? How about the 1 hour + to replace an inferior broken tool?
How much is your time worth to you? How often in life do you buy the best product you can find, and have it for life? Is a cheaper price always the most important driving factor in making a purchase?
Think of it in terms of cars. There are those of us that would love to have a ZR1, Ferrari, GT40, Shelby Cobra, what have you.
Some of us would say, wow, those are nice cars, too bad I can't justify it at the moment. Must be nice to own one.
Some of us say wow, those cars are not worth that kind of money. There is no way I'd ever pay that. People who do must be morons.
Then there are people that say, I'm so glad I bought this car. I've driven other cars, but I finally wanted one of the best, and now that I own one, I see what all the fuss is about.
These 3 types all occupy the same forum. So we get to hear each response repeatedly.
Which type are you?
Also, FWIW. What is "Expensive" and expensive for whom?
What purpose do your tools serve for you? Occaisional DIY use? Daily professional use?
If you were paid by the job, and your pay rate was a direct result of how many jobs you can get done in a day, what would it be worth to you to save a few minutes per job? How about saving a 1hr+ trip to buy tools? How about the 1 hour + to replace an inferior broken tool?
How much is your time worth to you? How often in life do you buy the best product you can find, and have it for life? Is a cheaper price always the most important driving factor in making a purchase?
theoldwizard1
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wannab20hatch
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absolutely. I think ive met you before. Ive been by there a few times to see chris and kd.
Honda guy
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Dodge Z, I don't know if you read posts #1 and #4. It looks to me like Chad is just responding to a derogatory comment made by the OP. In post #1 the OP states that he doesn't believe a word the truck guys say. Then, in post #4 he asks Chad (a "truck guy") a question.
tbobbo
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This OP has started so many of these topics its retarded. He is a fucktard who has nothing better to do than start shitstorms. I even got baited into one. I guess this is 2 now. To anyone who gets upset about his postings...........he is flinging poo. If you dont like paying for higher priced tools, don't. You ******* tool! (this is aimed at the OP only)
trboxman
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So...uh..tbobbo...why don't you tell us how you really feel?
tbobbo
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Well, its one thing to have an opinion, but this guy starts one of these all the time. I am only on here about once a week and there it is. I never say anything like this, but this is the 3rd thread he started like this (that I have seen) when its obvious he is just trying to get under peoples skin. I just wanted to call him out.
tbobbo
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Page 2 has another thread of him doing this again.
trboxman
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Oh, no, I wasn't complaining or calling you out....I'm cheering inside.
tbobbo
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No, I didnt think you were, and there is no static aimed at you or anyone but the original poster in any of this.
tbobbo
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I cant even take full credit.......someone else called this guy out a couple weeks ago as well. Same type of thing.
spoolgarage
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He stated that snap on air tools were pretty much all repackaged ir tools. UNTRUE
He asked the flamebait question of why truck tools are more expensive then store brands.
He stated he wouldnt trust all tool truck owners/sellers.
He has a problem with higher end tools not this one seller.
tbobbo
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He has done this time after time, asks whats sounds like a reasonable question, then starts being a *** about it when someone posts a different point of view. He is a fuckhead and that is that. Go back find more posts by him......you will see.
seth_man
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i have 3 guys that come here weekly, snap-on, mac and an independent who used to be the mac guy.
Snap on guy is a corperate guy, so he doesnt own the truck. best tool dealer ive ever had. i dont think ive ever been fed a line except for the "i already talked with your wife, she said its ok" which is funny but not really a line, anytime something breaks he apologizes that his tool broke and its gets fixed or replaced right away.
Mac guy is still pretty new, hes only been coming around for a few months but he already made me think that i dont want to buy anything from him. i purchased some gloves from him and he instantly tried to get me to "upgrade" my brand new 84" epiq for a smaller mac box, he said "i know you dont want something made from cheap chinese steel, we need to get you into a real toolbox"
Independent guy has a nearly empty truck, and wont order anything unless its paid up front and according to him the best tools on the planet are astro pnumatic, ez red, titan, etc. basicly all the off brands in the direct mail tool catalogs. i think he will be totally out of business soon
Snap on guy is a corperate guy, so he doesnt own the truck. best tool dealer ive ever had. i dont think ive ever been fed a line except for the "i already talked with your wife, she said its ok" which is funny but not really a line, anytime something breaks he apologizes that his tool broke and its gets fixed or replaced right away.
Mac guy is still pretty new, hes only been coming around for a few months but he already made me think that i dont want to buy anything from him. i purchased some gloves from him and he instantly tried to get me to "upgrade" my brand new 84" epiq for a smaller mac box, he said "i know you dont want something made from cheap chinese steel, we need to get you into a real toolbox"
Independent guy has a nearly empty truck, and wont order anything unless its paid up front and according to him the best tools on the planet are astro pnumatic, ez red, titan, etc. basicly all the off brands in the direct mail tool catalogs. i think he will be totally out of business soon
Heavy Metal Doctor
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My new So man (8 month or so) has'nt even learned any "lines" yet - he seem honest and a straight shooter so far. He does a good job.
The old guy I dealt with 15 years previusly, was more of a "salesman", but didn't leave himself open for trouble by telling lies. He'd give ya prices and warrnty inof and that was about it. The only lines he used where when he pulled up and said "What can I get ya today?!...one of each?!" and when asked the price of any SO item "It's cheap, 'cause you only have to buy it once!"
The old guy I dealt with 15 years previusly, was more of a "salesman", but didn't leave himself open for trouble by telling lies. He'd give ya prices and warrnty inof and that was about it. The only lines he used where when he pulled up and said "What can I get ya today?!...one of each?!" and when asked the price of any SO item "It's cheap, 'cause you only have to buy it once!"
I wont weigh in on the flamebaiting, because I'm a sucker who'll respond to a post and just assume it's a genuine question from a non sh!t-stirrer.
As a salesman, I've always held that false or misleading claims will never pay off long term. You might be able to make a quick sale, but successful salesmen are the ones that earn their customers trust and respect. I sell something completely unrelated to tools, but I have to think it applies across the board.
As a salesman, I've always held that false or misleading claims will never pay off long term. You might be able to make a quick sale, but successful salesmen are the ones that earn their customers trust and respect. I sell something completely unrelated to tools, but I have to think it applies across the board.
From the OP's profile
So we have an 18 year old lube tech that claims to know a lot about tools because in the original post he says:
Oh but wait, maybe his knowledge isn't as all encompassing as he would lead us to believe.
I have been around know-it-all kids like this before. I am sure he is a joy to work with.
So we have an 18 year old lube tech that claims to know a lot about tools because in the original post he says:
Oh but wait, maybe his knowledge isn't as all encompassing as he would lead us to believe.
I have been around know-it-all kids like this before. I am sure he is a joy to work with.
So? It was the prefect time for a "truck guy" to change his opinion. Instead he reinforces it.
Seems to me that the OP's opinion has nothing to do with nice. The OP stated that he does not believe anything the truck guys say. In other words, he believes that all truck guys are liars. I don't see why any truck guy should waste his time on an internet message board with someone who has already stated that he is not going to believe anything he will say.
It seems to me that chadster has a long history on this board of helping people out while this new guy comes on here talking smack about all the truck guys. Just remember the old saying, you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Adam McLaughlin
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You guys take some pretty light stuff WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too seriously.
Adam
Adam
You'd take it serious too if you had to defend $26/socket and 10-piece wrench sets that cost nearly $300.
mrshaun
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Next time leave me something to say chad. Lol
I know the guys in charge of the power tools dept and I bet they came out of their seat when they saw the 99.99% quote...........
mrshaun
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I do not do that. I respect my customers more than that.
Toolhorder
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You'd take it serious too if you had to defend $26/socket and 10-piece wrench sets that cost nearly $300.
I'm too busy making money with mine
Adam McLaughlin
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My tool box is 99% +++ Snap On, I know all about it. I am a collector too and yes, I have many wrench sets that are $600-ish.
I think that the tool truck dealer job is tougher than we perceive, and that the attraction of this position is a mix of financial necessity and personal interest in the trade and materials.
I spent twelve years at UC Berkeley and was very familiar with the course catalog. Never saw any entrance exam / per-requisit list / application process or program there specifically for operating a tool truck business.
Adam
I think that the tool truck dealer job is tougher than we perceive, and that the attraction of this position is a mix of financial necessity and personal interest in the trade and materials.
I spent twelve years at UC Berkeley and was very familiar with the course catalog. Never saw any entrance exam / per-requisit list / application process or program there specifically for operating a tool truck business.
Adam
Tarheelgarage
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Yeah, the tool guy is still trying to convience me and others that the dual 80s are made in usa....but I know better....
countryroad82
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Probably the only 'line' my truck guy has ever fed me is when I say something is too much (basically out of my budget at the time) he will retaliate with 'How can you not afford.... enter tool brand here' I take it as a joke, and go on about my day. When I had a Mac guy running around here, I bought some tools from him and he treated me as if I had spent big $$$$ with him when I only spent hundreds. Same goes for my Snappy guy, I have spent quite a bit more money on his truck but the first time I got on the truck he handed me a sale paper and welcomed me to look around, that meant quite a bit to me. As of the past analogies, beer and cars, those are great and I plan on keeping those explanations in the back of my head
I'm too busy making money with mine
****. I thought I had added you to my ignore list after your recommendation of the $4000 "reasonably priced" scan tool.
Well, that's easy enough to fix! I don't even need a $150 ratchet to do it, either.
sberry
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For an hours effort a guy could afford to take the rest of the day off? haha
The forth type. The people that have actually tried the so-called "best" and wasn't impressed with the product, the hoops jumped through to purchase or the hassle of the warranty.
How about exchanging a pair of Channellocks on the way home so I can use them the next day vs. a week (so far) for Snap-on to return a phone call? How about other techs working less efficiently for months because they have broken "premium" tools and not getting the premium service they paid for?.
sberry
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I really like stuff from the auto parts store, something I need comes on next delivery.
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JMorrison4371
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Dude, why dont you go to your tool box, take out the biggest wrench you have in there, stick it up your ***, pull it out your mouth, then get back on GJ and tell us all what you thought about that experience. If you don't like my posts, don't click on em. That damn simple.
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JMorrison4371
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Alright fellas. I have read all the replies to my post, and can see that you guys think I'm an *** hole, an idiot, and a dumb ***. So therefore, I'm not returning to this website. I was just wanting to compare my dealers to other dealers to see if these guys were really bullshittin me or not. But instead, I get insulted by a bunch of childish *** holes with their snap on wrenches stuck up their asses. Now, that being said, I really hope this post just pisses you guys off to the point where you bust your computer screens. Have a nice day
Toolhorder
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****. I thought I had added you to my ignore list after your recommendation of the $4000 "reasonably priced" scan tool.
Well, that's easy enough to fix! I don't even need a $150 ratchet to do it, either.
Aww I'm sure going to miss out in life if you ignore me...
****. I thought I had added you to my ignore list after your recommendation of the $4000 "reasonably priced" scan tool.
Well, that's easy enough to fix! I don't even need a $150 ratchet to do it, either.
Awww, but he's so helpful and insightful! Remember the metric Wright wrench thread? After he told me all I needed for construction equipment were adjustable wrenches, I sold my toolbox and tools. Now I just carry a 12" in my pocket and a 36" at my desk. Can't believe how much more work I can get done!
And he also taught me that no matter how good of a mechanic you are, you're nothing if you don't have a box full of Snap-On tools! There really is a difference!
Just figured that with this thread probably closing I'd have some fun.
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znowaczyk
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Bye...