Where's the Hinsdale thread? Show em!

[bigb5454]

Thanks guys! Are these pretty rare? What is the approximate age?

 

[bigb5454]

Sorry Zeus, just read closer and you said it was on the rare side!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

They are from the mid 30s, not common but I have seen 5 or 6 over the years

 

[TheRealZeus]

Sorry Zeus, just read closer and you said it was on the rare side!

Yes sir, rare-side. And I believe this is her patent applied for, here..


Please, note page 1, fig 6, & 7

link to Patent office for this;

US2685355A - Reversible ratchet wrench mechanism - Google Patents

 

[bigb5454]

Thanks all!!

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

Wholly Moley....finally got it. Too big of file I'm guessing. Will try and upload more photos

Rare and if you ever want to sell think of me

 

[Private Lugnutz]

And I believe this is her patent applied for, here...

As far as I know there is no documentation from Hinsdale, Sears, Roebuck, & Co, or any other source that definitively identifies the patent for the Hinsdale or Craftsman so-called "bubble ratchets", but the leading theory [edit: credit @Gear Wolf, IIRC] is Pfauser, an assignor for Blackhawk, and patents 1,936,640 (1933) and 2,003,155 (1935), which were the basis for Blackhawk's "Freewheeling" ratchet. The Hinsdale and Craftsman ratchets fit that profile and they're freewheeling. The Stone design you are pointing to is showing and describing a gearless, clutch-type ratchet design, and the pins internal to the mechanism do smack of the external look of the so-called "bubble ratchets," but it's a couple decades too late for their production. Interestingly enough, it does cite the Pfauser patent as prior art. See page 6.

 

[3baygarage]

Yes, the Stone patent above is actually a known Wright ratchet.

As far as the Blackhawk connection, it is close. Don't know if Hinsdale had a patent of their own. It doesn't seem to be available if there is.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

...the Stone patent above is actually a known Wright ratchet.

Thanks for adding that. I forgot to also mention to zeus that the patent identifies him as Wright's assignor.

As far as the Blackhawk connection, it is close.

I remember being equally cautious and then being ultimately convinced, but I don't remember the evidence. My understanding was GW taking temporary possession of OTG's Hinsdale to spec it out in comparison to a C-series, and OTG getting it back, but I never heard any results.

 

[3baygarage]

I'm not sure. I know the Blackhawk patent though.

Still have regrets because I had at least 2 opportunities to buy that "bubble" ratchet for a couple bucks. That was 20 years ago. I thought they were broken. Maybe they were. Don't remember if they were Hinsdale or Craftsman. Probably Hinsdale, it's been so long.

 

[four.cycle]

@Private Lugnutz - help me out here: 2685355 (having no assignee) is NOT a Hinsdale patent?

So... do we know which patent would apply to @bigb5454's Hinsdale?

 

[four.cycle]

@bigb5454 -
yes, photo images from your phone will need to be resized here. try to get it down below about 900kb and you'll be fine.
keep this link handy at all times
and this one too

 

[Oldtuleguy]

All of the examples I have seen were patent pending. Gw was working on it, but I have not heard from him

 

[Private Lugnutz]

help me out here: 2685355 (having no assignee) is NOT a Hinsdale patent?

No, it's a Wright patent. Assigned to Wright by the patentee, Wright's assignor. It is gearless, and cites similar ratchets - to include Pfauser's gearless ratchet, for prior art, but it's 20 years too late for these.

do we know which patent would apply to @bigb5454's Hinsdale?

His ratchet (there are others in this thread and the Long C thread) is the entire subject of my post# 407.

All of the examples I have seen were patent pending

That doesn't mean no patent was granted though. It was a very short production run, and we've seen that before. The wartime Costello ratchets come to mind. NB never bothered making a die with the patent numbers. If it does refer to Pfauser, he had two in short succession, with overlaps in application and award. I'd like to see what GW's bench work revealed.

 

[four.cycle]

okay thanks!

 

[bigb5454]

@bigb5454 -
yes, photo images from your phone will need to be resized here. try to get it down below about 900kb and you'll be fine.
keep this link handy at all times
and this one too

Thanks alot four.cycle! Bookmarked!

 

[Ayrhead]

Can you show the rachet out of the CN50 set

The ratchet is not original from this set. I believe it’s a Gray….

 

[Ayrhead]

Hi Guys: I just picked up 2 Hinsdale sets a GC20 and a CN50… they will be added to the pressed steel sockets that I have from Hinsdale

I wasn’t expecting to find this but just another Hinsdale set. It’s earlier with pressed steel sockets. The stamps show the traditional Hinsdale logo as well as just an H on some and there were 2 sockets that had a hex stamp with what looks like an L in it which makes me think those 2 are not Hinsdale… see pictures attached… I’m aware of the Mossberg stamp, the Walden-Worcester stamp and the Hinsdale but not this hex with an L in it… hopefully someone here knows the brand.

 

[four.cycle]

Larson / Larson Tool & Stamping Co., Olive St., Attleboro, MA / patent 1419391 Jun 13 1922 Nils G. Larson / http://alloy-artifacts.org/other-makers-p2.html#larson-tool /

 

[Ayrhead]

Thanks for the prompt response. So I guess that means there was another company producing pressed steel sockets…

 

[four.cycle]

^ I am not the right person to ask that question of, but....

Just a wild guess, but they may well have been outsourcing them from Mossberg, as did a few other outfits.

@Private Lugnutz and @twertsy are more conversant on those early stamped-steel sockets than am I.

 

[Ayrhead]

It’s interesting that the Larson company is still in existence. I just did a quick search…

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

It’s interesting that the Larson company is still in existence. I just did a quick search…

They probably made your door knobs

 

[Steven 33]

Not sure on tools but deff Hinsdale case

 

[Debcrow]

Sockets I previously posted in 'Garage Sale' thread and a couple of more wrenches. Several sockets are duplicate size, but duplicate is four point for square head bolts.

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

Sockets I previously posted in 'Garage Sale' thread and a couple of more wrenches. Several sockets are duplicate size, but duplicate is four point for square head bolts.

Are there markings on the sockets

 

[Debcrow]

Are there markings on the sockets

Yes, there are.

 

[TheRealZeus]

Blowup of your socket picture..
That bulbous figure in circle is the Hinsdale “H” logo.

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

Blowup of your socket picture..
That bulbous figure in circle is the Hinsdale “H” logo.

I’m looking for some Hinsdale vanadium sockets as well as some chrome nickel sockets

 

[d42jeep]

I recently passed along all of my Hinsdale orphans to a Hinsdale collector so of course I immediately found a nice DOE wrench at a recent estate sale.
-Don

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Here's a 3/8 nut spinner set with its craftsman counterpart

 

[Ayrhead]

Here's a 3/8 nut spinner set with its craftsman counterpart

Two nice sets. I’m assuming that Hinsdale made the Craftsman set not the other way around.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Yes hinsdale briefly supplied sears in 30s

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Here's the speeder with the craftsman version

 

[Ayrhead]

The ratchet is not original from this set. I believe it’s a Gray….

Patrick Eubanks: I found some time to take a couple of pics of the ratchet in the CN50 box. Here they are. I now have two ratchets, both Gray, one with a piece of copper pipe over the handle for more leverage I’m guessing. The one without the copper handle is a model 603. You can see the stamping on the sides. The other one I can’t read a model number on it as the copper pipe is covering it probably. It also has an L and a R, one on each side. The 603 doesn’t have that designation as far as I can see. Hope that’s answers your request and what you wanted to see.
Harry

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Some wrenches in a clip holder

 

[Patrick Eubanks]

Man that is superb

 

[Corndoggeh]

Some wrenches in a clip holder

Beautiful set, I have the same one but it doesn't have the keeper.

Also crazy how many of the 1/2" bubble/gearless ratchets have popped up in these last few weeks. When I picked mine up years ago almost no one knew they existed save for a few people.

Hinsdale definitely falls into the old school tool category. Very little of their tools are "modern" in design up until the final years when they started making machined sockets and really gives the feel that they were bridging between hand forge and industrialized manufacturing. Its probably why I like to collect them.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

According to gearwolf the bubble ratchets were actually made by blackhawk

 

[toolsigots]

I have a nice 1/2 drive set her that looks like it was well used.