Which long reach jack?

[Jersey Drew]

I have a real problem giving Harbor freight my money, but the reviews of the Daytona jacks seem to be very good. So I ask, which of these two jacks would you spend your money on?

Daytona low profile long reach
Or
Arcan xl2t

 

[Scout Driver]

I've used the Daytona for a few years now and love it. Plenty of lift for jacking up lifted 4x4s while being able to sneak under a low rig. I noticed the Arcan doesn't appear to have a foot pedal while the Daytona does. The pedal is handy for quick positioning of the jack.

Scott

 

[emeraldcoupe]

i've had my long reach daytona for a couple years now, fantastic jack

 

[16again]

Daytona! I’m not a fan of Harbor Freight either, but this jack just works.


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[noid]

If you can swing it, get a AC Hydraulics jack; made in denmark, and a pleasure to use.

 

[Mirage]

While not on your list, there is another option if your not keen on Harbor freight. I picked up a Torin Jackboss from Tractor Supply a few months ago that I've been quite happy with. 3 ton, long reach and low profile like the others. It is $249 but used a 20% coupon when I got mine.

 

[Qualitytools]

If you can swing it, get a AC Hydraulics jack; made in denmark, and a pleasure to use.

+ 1 on the AC HYDRAULIC

 

[latebreak]

I have a pair of Sunex 6602LP jacks. Very low profile but also have an extremely high lifting range. Having matching jacks has been very handy with certain cars (Like a C4 corvette) that have limited lifting and support locations.

I do also have a 4 Ton Daytona for my 2500 Ram Cummins.


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[abachman]

I recently picked up the Masterforce long reach jack from Menards. I really like it and would believe it to be comparable to the HF ones. Price was something in the $230.00 range.

 

[RKA]

The one disappointing thing with my extended reach AC dk13 jack is the amount of effort required to jack the vehicle up. I have a dk20 which requires half (or less) the effort. The difference is I can operate the 20 while still kneeling on the ground. Most frequently I’ll do this when I need just a little more height to fit the jack stand where I want it. With the 13, I have to stand up and put my weight on it. It’s not the end of the world, but I much prefer to use my 20 if I don’t need that extra reach.

But the cost difference between the AC and Daytona is tough to swallow at 3x the price. I’ve had one of my AC jacks getting close to 20 years now. The 13 I’ve had only a few years now. I sat on that fence for a bit before ordering the 13. A sale helped a bit, but the flawless service with the first one really helped sway me.

 

[noid]

The one disappointing thing with my extended reach AC dk13 jack is the amount of effort required to jack the vehicle up. I have a dk20 which requires half (or less) the effort. The difference is I can operate the 20 while still kneeling on the ground. Most frequently I’ll do this when I need just a little more height to fit the jack stand where I want it. With the 13, I have to stand up and put my weight on it. It’s not the end of the world, but I much prefer to use my 20 if I don’t need that extra reach.

But the cost difference between the AC and Daytona is tough to swallow at 3x the price. I’ve had one of my AC jacks getting close to 20 years now. The 13 I’ve had only a few years now. I sat on that fence for a bit before ordering the 13. A sale helped a bit, but the flawless service with the first one really helped sway me.

I too own the 20 and a 13 and agree with your assesment of effort to lift.

The 13 is much longer though so leverage plays a big factor.

The 13 really can take the car to the sky; 29 inches max lift height.

 

[MJK]

Of the two you posted, the yellow Daytona.

But, I agree with AC Hydraulic. I have had a DK13HLQ for 10 years and just added a DK20HLQ for larger vehicles.

DK20Q is IMO the best value.

 

[bigenos]

I have an AFF 200T and it's been great. Probably 10 years of moderate home use, no issues at all. It's not made in USA (China I think) despite the name.

 

[jshillin]

I have a Ranger low profile, long reach floor jack and it's been great for 10 years. That being said, if I was going to go buy one today, I'd grab a yellow Daytona for the money.

 

[Jersey Drew]

The yellow daytona is not low clearance. The low daytona is 3.25 inches but the arcan starts at 2.75 inches

 

[MJK]

The yellow daytona is not low clearance. The low daytona is 3.25 inches but the arcan starts at 2.75 inches

You'll probably want to let HF know that then, but if 3 3/4" doesn't do the trick you may have bigger issues from what I recall of Jersey roads.

 

[ajchien]

The lower lift height of the Arcan could be useful if you’re lifting lowered sports cars. However, you could always drive up on a block or ramp first if the car is too low for the jack. The LRLP Daytona having 3T capacity might be useful if you want to be lifting the F450 or the camper van. However, you could always lift one wheel at a time rather than one half of the vehicle.

So I guess it would depend on whether you think you’d be lifting sports cars vs. 8000+ lb vehicles more often.

The hydraulic dual pump design is obviously the same between them. Not knowing the internals, but going by what Arcan (made by Sunex) and HF have offered in the past, the internal seal choices are likely to be similar. Perhaps the 2T vs. 3T could vary if the power piston to main ram size ratio is different between the two jacks. Usually jacks with higher tonnage capacity have the ratios set up so that it will require more pumps to lift a load, but with less effort on each pump.

 

[joey1320]

I have a real problem giving Harbor freight my money, but the reviews of the Daytona jacks seem to be very good. So I ask, which of these two jacks would you spend your money on?

Daytona low profile long reach
Or
Arcan xl2t

Can I ask what angers you about HF?

 

[Jersey Drew]

You'll probably want to let HF know that then, but if 3 3/4" doesn't do the trick you may have bigger issues from what I recall of Jersey roads.

While it would be nice to use on my sports car the actual problem os my fleet of work vehicles, dodge caravans. I do not like lifting from pinch welds so the front lift point is quite far under the car while manageable the range of motion you are left with on the jack handle is very little and takes a bit for the car to lift enough so you can get some real leverage on the handle. Secondly, and this isn’t too often thank god, i lift the rear from the rear axle beam. When they get a flat tire my jack doesn’t fit under the axle beam, and that’s why i need the low clearance.

And the low long wouldn’t hurt to lift the vette either.

Can I ask what angers you about HF?

I Have bought things from them in the past and i have never gotten more than a handful of uses out of anything. I feel like HF is there to get you out of a pinch and everything is disposable. Don’t get me wrong if i’m on the road and need a tool by the road side i would buy what i need for the fix at harbor freight and then leave the tools by the road side!

 

[e36jon]

I bought this Sunex 6602LP off of Amazon six years ago and it's been great. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L1ZCN0I/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I can't argue with the AC recommendations. My buddy has one (The very low very long reach one) and it's slick, but like others I couldn't swing the 3X cost (~$750 I think?)

 

[e36jon]

I bought this Sunex 6602LP off of Amazon six years ago and it's been great. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L1ZCN0I/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I can't argue with the AC recommendations. My buddy has one (The very low very long reach one) and it's slick, but like others I couldn't swing the 3X cost (~$750 I think?)

 

[Jersey Drew]

The sunnex and arcan seem to be identical jacks... arcan is about $30 cheaper

 

[Ign]

The sunnex and arcan seem to be identical jacks... arcan is about $30 cheaper

This has pretty much been my conclusion, also. Probably hard to go wrong with either, but they do require some decent weight on the handle under full-size trucks.

If $ is no object my DK20HLQ will take the front of my '11 crew cab long bed 6.2 4x4 to max height (curb weight 8100# per the scrapyard scales):

 

[noid]

Both sizes side by side:



If we are tossing the dk20 in the mix, then its only reasonable to also toss in the Compac jacks into the mix.

https://www.compac.dk/en/products/jacks-1-5-3-ton/level2

1.4T-HC (similar to a DK13, with slightly lower min and slightly lower max).



2T-HC (Like a DK20Q but that can lift 29" but slightly higher min height).

 

[bubinga]

The lower lift height of the Arcan could be useful if you’re lifting lowered sports cars. However, you could always drive up on a block or ramp first if the car is too low for the jack. The LRLP Daytona having 3T capacity might be useful if you want to be lifting the F450 or the camper van. However, you could always lift one wheel at a time rather than one half of the vehicle.

So I guess it would depend on whether you think you’d be lifting sports cars vs. 8000+ lb vehicles more often.

The hydraulic dual pump design is obviously the same between them. Not knowing the internals, but going by what Arcan (made by Sunex) and HF have offered in the past, the internal seal choices are likely to be similar. Perhaps the 2T vs. 3T could vary if the power piston to main ram size ratio is different between the two jacks. Usually jacks with higher tonnage capacity have the ratios set up so that it will require more pumps to lift a load, but with less effort on each pump.

Do you know if the Arcan, mentioned above, and the sunex, that is basically the same Jack, uses the O ring type main seal, or the more desirable U cup seal?
From your previous replies in my other post (that I sort of hijacked......)
And Hiballs input,
I understand that U cup seals, will most likely give longer service.
Thank you for all your help.

 

[bubinga]

I bought this Sunex 6602LP off of Amazon six years ago and it's been great. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00L1ZCN0I/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I can't argue with the AC recommendations. My buddy has one (The very low very long reach one) and it's slick, but like others I couldn't swing the 3X cost (~$750 I think?)

Thank you that is one of the ones I am looking at also.

 

[bubinga]

The sunnex and arcan seem to be identical jacks... arcan is about $30 cheaper

Good to know.
The only thing I'm concerned about,
Should I need a warranty issue, is how they handle the warranty as far as shipping the Jack back to the manufacturer, or the service center whatever the case may be.
But I think I'm getting ready to pull the trigger on something pretty soon here. I need a jack.
I do know the Ranger Jack like that, the representative from Ben pack, told me the company would cover the shipping should warranty service be required within the year warranty period.
However the ranger is a good $100 more than the arcan.
Reviews are mostly good on the Arcan and the Sunex.

 

[ajchien]

Do you know if the Arcan, mentioned above, and the sunex, that is basically the same Jack, uses the O ring type main seal, or the more desirable U cup seal?
From your previous replies in my other post (that I sort of hijacked......)
And Hiballs input,
I understand that U cup seals, will most likely give longer service.
Thank you for all your help.

I don’t know what the internal seals are in those two jacks. I have a wild *** guess, but don’t want to lead you to wrong info. There are simply too many variations of the dual pump design, I think the only person who has a catalog is hcrcnow.com. If Im looking to find out about the internals of a jack. I usually start with that website, since it’s probably the most complete parts catalog I’ve found on the internet - A good resource to compare things. It’s clear that Lazzar has put a lot of effort into making that website (FWIW, Some of his info comes directly from GJ). the website still has the owners manuals for the 2 jacks - you can look at the parts list, and see for yourself if you think they are same jack. Unfortunately, it looks like the seal kit for the arcan xl2t and the sunex 6602 you’re referring to has been “discontinued” on their website. I don’t know if he has ever had a kit, is out of stock, or if his source is no longer providing them. If you must know, you could consider trying to contact hcrcnow.com. You could give him a PM here, as he is a GJ member (I think he rarely posts).

I think you’ll find many old GJ posts from Edgar and Hiball discussing U cups vs. O-ring/retainer seals. I think Edgar once went on a massive rant dismissing O-rings which I found quite funny. At the time, I didn’t think much about it, but over time (as I have much less experience than any of those guys) I have personally come to completely agree that U cups have better longevity to O rings. Leather cups and stacked chevron seals have pretty much disappeared from current day floor jacks. If you’re looking to read more about current day hydraulic seals, you could consider going here: https://www.parker.com/literature/Engineered Polymer Systems/5370.pdf

 

[bubinga]

I don’t know what the internal seals are in those two jacks. I have a wild *** guess, but don’t want to lead you to wrong info. There are simply too many variations of the dual pump design, I think the only person who has a catalog is hcrcnow.com. If Im looking to find out about the internals of a jack. I usually start with that website, since it’s probably the most complete parts catalog I’ve found on the internet - A good resource to compare things. It’s clear that Lazzar has put a lot of effort into making that website (FWIW, Some of his info comes directly from GJ). the website still has the owners manuals for the 2 jacks - you can look at the parts list, and see for yourself if you think they are same jack. Unfortunately, it looks like the seal kit for the arcan xl2t and the sunex 6602 you’re referring to has been “discontinued” on their website. I don’t know if he has ever had a kit, is out of stock, or if his source is no longer providing them. If you must know, you could consider trying to contact hcrcnow.com. You could give him a PM here, as he is a GJ member (I think he rarely posts).

I think you’ll find many old GJ posts from Edgar and Hiball discussing U cups vs. O-ring/retainer seals. I think Edgar once went on a massive rant dismissing O-rings which I found quite funny. At the time, I didn’t think much about it, but over time (as I have much less experience than any of those guys) I have personally come to completely agree that U cups have better longevity to O rings. Leather cups and stacked chevron seals have pretty much disappeared from current day floor jacks. If you’re looking to read more about current day hydraulic seals, you could consider going here: https://www.parker.com/literature/Engineered Polymer Systems/5370.pdf

Wow, awesome read.
I have learned a lot from you and Hiball.
Thanks so much!
Anthony

 

[Ralf11]

The yellow daytona is not low clearance. The low daytona is 3.25 inches but the arcan starts at 2.75 inches

and the Sunex also has an access height at 2.75"

You have to decide what you want: low ht.; high reach; super quality; low price or the fun of rebuilding an old Lincoln...

 

[bubinga]

Well I came real close to getting the arcan for about _$184.00 ,
started comparing it to the master Force and it really wasn't a whole heck of a lot of difference maybe an inch of height a little taller minimum height on the master Force.
So I decided to pull the trigger on the master Force, and we'll see what happens pick it up tomorrow.
Thanks to all.

 

[ajchien]

Wow, awesome read.
I have learned a lot from you and Hiball.
Thanks so much!
Anthony

for fun reading, I found one of my favorite GJ threads on hydraulic jacks... I think it’s a good discussion between Edgar and Hiball. it was one of those threads I read and said “that’s interesting” ... but when I started to putz around with floor jacks it was like ... “sh!t, everything those two said in that thread was right...”

Let's talk jacks (yet again)

Hey guys, I know this comes up quite a bit.. I've read all the threads over the course of the last few weeks. I'm looking for a jack (or two) for the shop. Our lift is going up this week, but I want a good jack. I do lots of luxury cars and diesel trucks :3gears::3gears: I'm looking at a few...

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[Treeman]

Well I came real close to getting the arcan for about _$184.00 ,
started comparing it to the master Force and it really wasn't a whole heck of a lot of difference maybe an inch of height a little taller minimum height on the master Force.
So I decided to pull the trigger on the master Force, and we'll see what happens pick it up tomorrow.
Thanks to all.

Excellent comparison shopping bubinga and excellent choice. I purchased a new floor jack at my workplace this past spring. I had always lusted for the Hein Werner 3 ton and it went on sale for $380 delivered through Zoro and I pulled the trigger (not my $, LOL.). It took 2 attempts to get one delivered in acceptable condition. Zoro has excellent customer service but they ignored my advice to package the jack in more than just the original box. They had to supply the lost bolt* that locks the handle in and a quart of HW fluid to replace the fluid leaked while traveling upside down. It's a great jack built on a traditional design. My second choice would have been the MasterForce (great minds think alike). It's probably the best value on the market currently (price vs. quality).

They ARE big and heavy. I also send kudos to Hiball and ajchien for sharing their expertise here.

* The bolts are only available to Zoro in 5 packs - if anyone needs one, PM me!

 

[bubinga]

for fun reading, I found one of my favorite GJ threads on hydraulic jacks... I think it’s a good discussion between Edgar and Hiball. it was one of those threads I read and said “that’s interesting” ... but when I started to putz around with floor jacks it was like ... “sh!t, everything those two said in that thread was right...”

Let's talk jacks (yet again)

Hey guys, I know this comes up quite a bit.. I've read all the threads over the course of the last few weeks. I'm looking for a jack (or two) for the shop. Our lift is going up this week, but I want a good jack. I do lots of luxury cars and diesel trucks :3gears::3gears: I'm looking at a few...

www.garagejournal.com

I don't think I remember Edgar. I think you said he didn't post too too much. I'll check it out thanks again.

 

[bubinga]

Excellent comparison shopping bubinga and excellent choice. I purchased a new floor jack at my workplace this past spring. I had always lusted for the Hein Werner 3 ton and it went on sale for $380 delivered through Zoro and I pulled the trigger (not my $, LOL.). It took 2 attempts to get one delivered in acceptable condition. Zoro has excellent customer service but they ignored my advice to package the jack in more than just the original box. They had to supply the lost bolt* that locks the handle in and a quart of HW fluid to replace the fluid leaked while traveling upside down. It's a great jack built on a traditional design. My second choice would have been the MasterForce (great minds think alike). It's probably the best value on the market currently (price vs. quality).

They ARE big and heavy. I also send kudos to Hiball and ajchien for sharing their expertise here.

* The bolts are only available to Zoro in 5 packs - if anyone needs one, PM me!

Thanks Treeman
A lot of the reviews on Amazon for the Arcan,
And the Sunex, they had a lot of complaints about the shipping as well.
Yeah I think I finally made the hopefully better decision. Plus of course the master Force has the 3-year warranty as opposed to the one year warranty only on the other two I was looking at.
I'll bet that Hein Warner is nice!

 

[bubinga]

Excellent comparison shopping bubinga and excellent choice. I purchased a new floor jack at my workplace this past spring. I had always lusted for the Hein Werner 3 ton and it went on sale for $380 delivered through Zoro and I pulled the trigger (not my $, LOL.). It took 2 attempts to get one delivered in acceptable condition. Zoro has excellent customer service but they ignored my advice to package the jack in more than just the original box. They had to supply the lost bolt* that locks the handle in and a quart of HW fluid to replace the fluid leaked while traveling upside down. It's a great jack built on a traditional design. My second choice would have been the MasterForce (great minds think alike). It's probably the best value on the market currently (price vs. quality).

They ARE big and heavy. I also send kudos to Hiball and ajchien for sharing their expertise here.

* The bolts are only available to Zoro in 5 packs - if anyone needs one, PM me!

I figure we only live once on this Earth I might as well get the one I wanted.
I had not picked it up yet from Menards,
And they told me I could just cancel it without penalty and they would credit my credit card back I went ahead and ordered the

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It should be here July 7th.
I got it for $462.92 through Amazon warehouse,
But I made sure I can still return it if there was anything wrong and I made sure that I still had the same warranty from the distributor or the company the manufacturer they answered me on Amazon

 

[c5greg]

I have the Arcan and its a good jack, however my next jack purchase will be the AC Hydraulics.

 

[bubinga]

I have the Arcan and its a good jack, however my next jack purchase will be the AC Hydraulics.

Yeah like I said I almost bought that one too.

 

[jrbpit1]

I have the Hein-Werner 3 ton service jack. It's works well. But, low-profile it is not. Ordered it through Amazon a few years ago. The hydraulic cylinder leaked right out of the box, but Hein-Werner customer service sent me out a new cylinder. I was a little angry about replacing the hydraulic cylinder on my brand new jack. But figured that was easier than trying to ship back. Has no issues lifting any of the vehicles I own.

 

[bubinga]

Probably was easier hopefully not, but who knows you might have got another bad one.
This way, they sent the cylinder they knew it was good.