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this is futile... over and out
just goes to prove the old adage ... fan is short for fanatic
just goes to prove the old adage ... fan is short for fanatic
Wiha made in CHINA!??
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oh give me a f'ing break.... you've done nothing but quote conspiracy theories and now you want to tout the most extreme example to make a point.... ffs
LOL - only partly stirring, but it does sort of point out that while the legal requirement for the label appears reasonably clear, there's potentialy still a wide margin bewteen what it might imply to the average consumer and what the complex truth might be.
I'm not American, German, or Chinese, so I'm not particularly worried about where on that list my tools might be made. They're all capable of making quality products and equally capable making total **** -the "Made in Wherever" label itself is certainly not the best indicator of quality:
Edit - To be fair I havent so much quoted conspiracy theories as made light of the theories, assumptions, and badly drawn conclusions that have made up a large part of this thread.
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dadsEH
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and the pigs are all gassed up for takeoff ...LOL
shoturtle
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Well that is good to know. Thanks
shoturtle
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I am not sold on that one, still believe it can be argue in court by lawyers. And often is at the international trade court in downtown manhattan.
But at least snap on brand from snap on is US from metal foundry to forge.
But at least snap on brand from snap on is US from metal foundry to forge.
shoturtle
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I know apex does it, buy steel form asia. Pretty sure others do.
shoturtle
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That is okay, you have your opinion and I have mine. I just know allot of tool steel comes to the US and are brought by US companies. Apex I know for sure does buy it. So I would not be surprise stanley proto, and other US companies buy as well.
At least I take the snap on email for a honest email. Like when you posted the wiha email.
richfinn
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Can someone shoot this thread and put it out of its misery.
shoturtle
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All I know is this thread became bash wiha over a 3rd party sticker. For what every reason.
Except for all those ratchets they sold that were made in China.
shoturtle
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No experience with snap on ratchets made in china. Maybe others do.
Pretty much all of them except for the ones made in India.
shoturtle
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Interesting 
richfinn
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Heres what it is, I have both Wiha and Snap On in my box and they both make great tools.
Dont get drawn into COO threads with Americans.
Move On
shoturtle
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Most american really do not care about COO, we love walmart. LOL
shoturtle
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Brazil is the World larger iron ore producer, and Vale largest ore provide in the world. They might have some iron ore form a meteorite.
enough of them hit the plant every year to make atleast couple of ratchets.acer66
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So you guys are saying that the Dr. Oetcker pizza I just bought at Food Lion because it was one of the cheapest and had surprisingly a Made in Germany stamp on it is made by Chinese prison labor or something?
Darn what is happening in this world.
Reminds me of a trip to a Colorado based tea company which had sacks with tea in it with Made in Germany on them.
While I do not know much, I do know there is no tea growing in Germany.
Turns out the tea is from India but is processed by one of the caffeine extracting plants in Germany and so it turns into Made in Germany.
Speaking of the 125 years of Made in Germany label, funny thing is that Germany at that time was like China now, they produced mainly cheap and crappy stuff.
Darn what is happening in this world.
Reminds me of a trip to a Colorado based tea company which had sacks with tea in it with Made in Germany on them.
While I do not know much, I do know there is no tea growing in Germany.
Turns out the tea is from India but is processed by one of the caffeine extracting plants in Germany and so it turns into Made in Germany.
Speaking of the 125 years of Made in Germany label, funny thing is that Germany at that time was like China now, they produced mainly cheap and crappy stuff.
4xdog
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All of the elements higher than hydrogen or helium -- including the iron, chromium, vanadium, molybdenum, and so on in any ratchet -- were made in the supernova of an exploding star.
So meteorite, heck... you're already way beyond that!
richfinn
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Everything come from Hydrogen.
acer66
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Lucky you, the ones we get here are normally not from Germany.
shoturtle
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Haribo Gummibears are made in Germany with 100% german made raw materials
sugarcane do not grow in germany, it is imported as well,
sugarcane do not grow in germany, it is imported as well,
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtscha...utsch-sind-adidas-becks-und-miele-1.1447056-8
RCStocker
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Haribo Gummibears are made in Germany with 100% german made raw materials
I bet you are wrong. The plactic pellets come form China that make the bag is my bet. The machines that make them come from other places or at least parts of the machines. I will bet money that all the ingredience are not grown and mined in Germany.
Hello. German engineering is the best bar none. Thier tools are as good as the US made ones if not better and so are many of the Japanese cars and tools much better than the US ones. It all comes form mother or father earth. Location has nothing to do with quality. Never has. It is how it is made.
Here is an example in the antique world about furniture.
several hundred years ago if you were poor you had pine cabinets and furniture.
30 some years ago we started importing junk furniture with some good in the mix form Europe. When all the good stuff was picked over they started importing pine furnitue. Some one in the high end rent distric started making up stories about the furniture and how it was so much better with the worm hole in it. The prices went through the roof. The poor people had pine. Not everything old was good. The furniture had worm holes because it was put out in the tool sheds and barns for seconday use after it was not good enough for the house. It was still used by the poor in thier shacks. The rich will buy anything if it displayed in the right place. I owned an antique mall for 20 years and it was a 3 story building. I have been in Beverly Hill antiques shops where they will sell an American Eastlake table for 5 to 15 thousand dollars and I could not sell the same thing in my shop for $1500.
I use this example for Snap-on. They are not on the free market. They are 5 percent better than the rest and people think they must buy the name when in fact the company really sell a lot of things that are not great quality at 3 times the price because of the name. Snap-on and Beverley Hills go hand in had. fools with more money than brains will buy the name because they want to be hip. What can I say. I want a good product at a fair price and I don't give a rip where it is made because it is a global econemy and you can not gain welth as a nation unless you trade with other. That is economic's 101.
That is Fact.
If you want american vote everyone out of office that has raised your takes or spends us into dept. You can't tax your way to success. Can't be done. It fails everytime it is tryed.
go talk to your tools and ask them if the know where they were made if it is so important. LOL They don't even know the esist. LOl
Good Frozen Pizza, I get them in the UK
You every try the fresh ones from Waitrose? I could eat those every night
richfinn
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You every try the fresh ones from Waitrose? I could eat those every night
I will try them, we have a Waitrose in Otley up the road.
At the moment I can get fresh Pizza Express (American) from Tesco for half price (£2) which are way cheaper and better than a Dominos/Pizza Hut take out
richfinn
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Haribo Gummibears are made in Germany with 100% german made raw materials
I used to live near Haribo UK, I,m glad they kept the traditional name for these sweets as they have been made here for a long time.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0056XZL4G/?tag=atomicindustr-21
I will try them, we have a Waitrose in Otley up the road.
At the moment I can get fresh Pizza Express (American) from Tesco for half price (£2) which are way cheaper and better than a Dominos/Pizza Hut take out
Regular price on the Waitrose is something North of £4/each I think, but they're often on sale. The spicy chicken from Morrison's is nice as well.
the candy machines come from www.w-u-d.com (Made in Germany)
The packaging machines could be from china but mostly you see machines from germany, italy, france etc. or Japan in german factories. Since germany´s 3rd biggest industry is the chemical industry i guess the bag material and bags are made here for a fast "just in time" delivery.
this link states that all ingredients come from german raw material suppliers:
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/wirtscha...utsch-sind-adidas-becks-und-miele-1.1447056-8
tradesmanschoice
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That was news to me about the 10% Made in Germany requirement. Quite a shocker!
With continued globalisation, I think we need to focus less on the country of origin and more on evaluating the actual quality of the products we've bought. We need more detailed product reviews from GJ members!
Believe it or not, I've seen some very good tools made in China, so I think it depends more on the strictness of the quality control rather than COO. I think big brands tend to have much better quality control measures and police the factories to make sure the quality is acceptable, whereas the smaller brands probably trust the manufacturer (big mistake).
Oh and my local Tesco does 2 pretty decent BBQ chicken frozen pizzas for £3.50, but I'd say the quality is slightly below Dominos pizzas, but then again, our local Domino's got shut down by the local health authority recently!
With continued globalisation, I think we need to focus less on the country of origin and more on evaluating the actual quality of the products we've bought. We need more detailed product reviews from GJ members!
Believe it or not, I've seen some very good tools made in China, so I think it depends more on the strictness of the quality control rather than COO. I think big brands tend to have much better quality control measures and police the factories to make sure the quality is acceptable, whereas the smaller brands probably trust the manufacturer (big mistake).
Oh and my local Tesco does 2 pretty decent BBQ chicken frozen pizzas for £3.50, but I'd say the quality is slightly below Dominos pizzas, but then again, our local Domino's got shut down by the local health authority recently!
Hey cool - I didn't know you guys were on here. I just placed an order with you this eve. You need to get over to the UK Hot Deals thread:
http://garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=160271
tradesmanschoice
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Occasionally I get some time visit this forum and keep up with all the latest tool news and gossip. Most of the time though I'm too busy running Tradesmans Choice to have that luxury. Hence why many of my posts occur in the dead of night!
Thanks for the link to the thread, I'll keep an eye on it. Might even post a few bargain basement items we have from time to time.
Cheers,
Mark.
It seems obvious now that Monte is 10% German, 90% Chinese
It would explain his numerous efforts to divert us from the truth: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!
I´m 100% made in germany with german raw material (sperm)
My parents and their parent and their parents... were made in germany too
there is no written law about the minimum content etc. A judge would have to find out if a product can carry that label or not.
Statements with links to back them up obviously don't matter to some people posting in this thread. To them, posting their opinion with nothing to back it up seems to count as a "fact."
some people know everything
Wouldn't be so sure, German weapons were premium :/ and they must have been using some tools to make them...
PS: and DIN standards pioneered industry.
I´m 100% made in germany with german raw material (sperm)
My parents and their parent and their parents... were made in germany too
Oh noes... Next moment we start all this who is who and being ubermenschen sh*...
Here I'm quoting a brochure on the topic published by the Schwerin Chamber of Industry and Commerce.
So before we all get hysterical and pull our pants down and everything, let's look at some objective facts.
Wiha could not legally label the tool "Made in Germany" if it was actually made in China.
If it was not made in Germany, they would just leave the tool unlabeled, like Wera does. (I think they're Czech made now)
http://www.parchim-airport.com/upfiles/Guide to Made in Germany by IHK.pdf
"In Germany “Made in Germany” is a designation of origin which
the manufacturer voluntarily applies to his products himself,
on his own responsibility. Since “Made in Germany” is a form
of product advertising, this description must be consistent with
the truth. If a product wrongly bears the information “Made in
Germany”, this can result in high claims for damages from the
competition and confiscation of the goods by the Customs.
Requirements for „made in Germany“
A product “Made in Germany” must fulfil the following
requirements:
Those services and components which are crucial to the
quality and valuation of the goods must have been performed or manufactured in Germany.
The description “Made in Germany” is not justified by simply
assembling parts that have been prefabricated abroad, carrying out a final inspection or labelling the goods in Germany.
On the other hand, some parts or components of an industrial product may certainly be supplied from abroad, but the
essential parts of the final product must always originate in
Germany.
A significant refinement may justify the description “Made in
Germany”, but here too the above statement still applies: the
refinement must be crucial to the quality and valuation of
the product.
Requirements
According to the Customs Codex of the European Community,
where two or more countries have been involved in the manufacture of a product, that product has originated in the country
in which the last essential and economically justified treatment or processing has taken place,
where this has been carried out in a company set up for this
purpose and
has resulted in the manufacture of a new product or represents an important stage in the manufacture.
Separate rules of origin apply to specific products such as
radios and televisions, magnetic sound recorders, photocopiers,
spun fabrics, grape juice, anti-friction bearings, spare parts,
ceramic goods, goods made of spun fabrics, leather clothing
and shoes.
So-called “minimum treatments” – that is straightforward
cleaning, treatments for storage, repackaging and simple
treatments for sale, labelling or simple assembly, i.e. putting
together parts of a product into a complete product (screwing,
nailing, riveting, welding, soldering, gluing, pressing, plugging in) – are never sufficient. If however the assembly is so
complex that in itself it amounts to essential machining or
processing, in individual cases this may justify the German
origin of the goods....
Procedures
Once the product has been manufactured, the Chamber of
Industry and Commerce issues the Certificate of Origin. For
this to happen, it is necessary to complete a prescribed form
in full and to carry out checks as to whether all the details and
submitted evidence are correct. The Chambers of Industry and
Commerce will also give preliminary advice on the question
of whether a planned product fulfils the requirements for
German origin. For this a precise description of the production
processes and the preliminary materials used is required. For
comprehensive advice and preliminary information the Chamber of Industry and Commerce requires the following details in
German or English: Once the product has been manufactured,
the Chamber of Industry and Commerce issues the Certificate
of Origin. For this to happen, it is necessary to complete a prescribed form in full and to carry out checks as to whether all
the details and submitted evidence are correct. The Chambers
of Industry and Commerce will also give preliminary advice on
the question of whether a planned product fulfils the requirements for German origin. For this a precise description of the
production processes and the preliminary materials used is required. For comprehensive advice and preliminary information
the Chamber of Industry and Commerce requires the following
details in German or English:
Description of the product concerned
Which parts are imported (with HS number)?
Countries of origin of these preliminary products
The values of these parts as a percentage of the net ex works
price.
The description of the production stages carried out
in Germany
Which production stages are performed in Germany?
How are they performed?..."
Wiha is a big international company. They could never get away with playing fast and loose with the law like that.
So before we all get hysterical and pull our pants down and everything, let's look at some objective facts.
Wiha could not legally label the tool "Made in Germany" if it was actually made in China.
If it was not made in Germany, they would just leave the tool unlabeled, like Wera does. (I think they're Czech made now)
http://www.parchim-airport.com/upfiles/Guide to Made in Germany by IHK.pdf
"In Germany “Made in Germany” is a designation of origin which
the manufacturer voluntarily applies to his products himself,
on his own responsibility. Since “Made in Germany” is a form
of product advertising, this description must be consistent with
the truth. If a product wrongly bears the information “Made in
Germany”, this can result in high claims for damages from the
competition and confiscation of the goods by the Customs.
Requirements for „made in Germany“
A product “Made in Germany” must fulfil the following
requirements:
Those services and components which are crucial to the
quality and valuation of the goods must have been performed or manufactured in Germany.
The description “Made in Germany” is not justified by simply
assembling parts that have been prefabricated abroad, carrying out a final inspection or labelling the goods in Germany.
On the other hand, some parts or components of an industrial product may certainly be supplied from abroad, but the
essential parts of the final product must always originate in
Germany.
A significant refinement may justify the description “Made in
Germany”, but here too the above statement still applies: the
refinement must be crucial to the quality and valuation of
the product.
Requirements
According to the Customs Codex of the European Community,
where two or more countries have been involved in the manufacture of a product, that product has originated in the country
in which the last essential and economically justified treatment or processing has taken place,
where this has been carried out in a company set up for this
purpose and
has resulted in the manufacture of a new product or represents an important stage in the manufacture.
Separate rules of origin apply to specific products such as
radios and televisions, magnetic sound recorders, photocopiers,
spun fabrics, grape juice, anti-friction bearings, spare parts,
ceramic goods, goods made of spun fabrics, leather clothing
and shoes.
So-called “minimum treatments” – that is straightforward
cleaning, treatments for storage, repackaging and simple
treatments for sale, labelling or simple assembly, i.e. putting
together parts of a product into a complete product (screwing,
nailing, riveting, welding, soldering, gluing, pressing, plugging in) – are never sufficient. If however the assembly is so
complex that in itself it amounts to essential machining or
processing, in individual cases this may justify the German
origin of the goods....
Procedures
Once the product has been manufactured, the Chamber of
Industry and Commerce issues the Certificate of Origin. For
this to happen, it is necessary to complete a prescribed form
in full and to carry out checks as to whether all the details and
submitted evidence are correct. The Chambers of Industry and
Commerce will also give preliminary advice on the question
of whether a planned product fulfils the requirements for
German origin. For this a precise description of the production
processes and the preliminary materials used is required. For
comprehensive advice and preliminary information the Chamber of Industry and Commerce requires the following details in
German or English: Once the product has been manufactured,
the Chamber of Industry and Commerce issues the Certificate
of Origin. For this to happen, it is necessary to complete a prescribed form in full and to carry out checks as to whether all
the details and submitted evidence are correct. The Chambers
of Industry and Commerce will also give preliminary advice on
the question of whether a planned product fulfils the requirements for German origin. For this a precise description of the
production processes and the preliminary materials used is required. For comprehensive advice and preliminary information
the Chamber of Industry and Commerce requires the following
details in German or English:
Description of the product concerned
Which parts are imported (with HS number)?
Countries of origin of these preliminary products
The values of these parts as a percentage of the net ex works
price.
The description of the production stages carried out
in Germany
Which production stages are performed in Germany?
How are they performed?..."
Wiha is a big international company. They could never get away with playing fast and loose with the law like that.