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Private Lugnutz

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Looking through this thread, this seems to be the most common wrench found. Anybody got a reason why?
Statistically speaking, my guess would be the small variety in the superset. Wilde was not known for wrenches. Unlike mfgrs like Williams or Vlchek where you could expect to find every type and style of wrench ever made for every application.
 
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Late to the party as usual, but here's a sad little Wilde item.
I picked this up at a Restore today; couldn't believe my good fortune. Oddly, the ratchet had a Wilde swivel adapter GLUED onto it.
I took it home and pried off the swivel, and what do I find but a missing detent ball.:mad:
Too bad; the ratchet is in beautiful shape otherwise.
Now I'm wondering if there's another brand 1/4" ratchet out there made by the same folks who made this one for Wilde - with the same mechanism, so I can cannibalize it.
Does anyone have an idea to save this piece from uselessness?
 

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Late to the party as usual, but here's a sad little Wilde item.
I picked this up at a Restore today; couldn't believe my good fortune. Oddly, the ratchet had a Wilde swivel adapter GLUED onto it.
I took it home and pried off the swivel, and what do I find but a missing detent ball.:mad:
Too bad; the ratchet is in beautiful shape otherwise.
Now I'm wondering if there's another brand 1/4" ratchet out there made by the same folks who made this one for Wilde - with the same mechanism, so I can cannibalize it.
Does anyone have an idea to save this piece from uselessness?
If I remember right, Wright made these.
 

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Agree. Looks like either wright or Thorsen made. Another thought to try tho...how snug does a .177 BB fit? Can find a heavy little spring and BB or ball bearing at good hardeare store and try to press it in there. Doesn't appear to have any quick release mechanism to worry about. Might have to use just the right sized punch and stake it in after you find the closes ball and spring you can to secure it a bit too. Ive made this work mote than a few times.
 

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If you are unable to re-Install a ball and spring and can’t find a matching Wright or Thorsen ratchet, you might compare a Powr-Kraft 1/4” drive ratchet. They were supplied by both Wright and Thorsen. The Wright supplied ratchets have a W in the part number and the Thorsen made ratchets have an H in the part number.
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Many thanks for your advice and help, folks.
I'm part-way there - I found a junk 1/4" spinner, which, after a little Dremel persuasion, donated a spring and ball that fit perfectly.
Now I just need to figure out how to hold the ball down and make a punch mark or two next to it.
...wish I could see the tool that does this operation in the factory.:unsure:
 

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Ive used a regular pin punch that is just slightly larger than the hole. Put the other side of the 3/8 square drive on an anvil or heavy steel and whack er!
Oh yeah, make sure you have the spring you want in there before doing this! After its staked, its hard to get back out
 

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Ive used a regular pin punch that is just slightly larger than the hole. Put the other side of the 3/8 square drive on an anvil or heavy steel and whack er!
Oh yeah, make sure you have the spring you want in there before doing this! After its staked, its hard to get back out
Thanks - sounds like the right idea. I'll try it.
 

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Well, Zrxrunner, your method worked! Thanks! I didn't hit it quite on center, and I hit it a little too hard, so that the ball doesn't stick out as far as I'd like. But it does hold the socket well enough, and it doesn't look too bad.
All in all, a success.
 

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I ran out of time and steam reporting my flea market finds from yesterday. Continuing this morning, I was surprised to see the "WILDE K.C., MO. U.S.A." stamping on the very flat shank of this No. 131 (7/16 x 1/2) light duty double offset "CHROME VANADIUM STEEL" DBE.

I was thinking Buckeye as the mfgr when I bought it, but now I'm not so sure. The marking panels are oval, not square, and the sizes are doubled up on both sides, not one size on each side.

Searching GJ for others, I see that @Username already in use posted one just like it on the 'DBE' thread, a No. 135, 3/4 x 11/16, from the same series, linked HERE.

@Oldtuleguy posted a partial set of DBEs with the same marking style, suggesting same production era, but his are straight handle pattern, No. 16X series, linked upthread HERE.

And @Leviton and @3baygarage have posted shorties, upthread, linked HERE, and on the DBE thread, HERE, respectively, but those are a different panel style, and may not be the same mfgr. A short discussion theorizes TRUTH.
 

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Recent acquisition. I suspect P&M was/is some sort of supply house to the trades.
 

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Used "Solder Seal" and a current production "Douglas". I added these to my collection for no reason other then to collect.
 

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NAPA P607 from my collection.
 

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Made by Wilde (Wild-ee, learned something new), a shot at Snap on? Was there a tiff years ago?
Despite the Wilde P/N, Wilde did not market them. Leading theory is contract production of Wilde C-Joint pliers for a company named Snap-Off. We've had the discussion at least once here on GJ, but it's difficult to find with the search tool due to the term "snap off" coming up in so many discussions and because of all the Snap-on haters who use "Snap-off" mockingly.
 

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We've had the discussion at least once here on GJ, but it's difficult to find with the search tool

It came up for me earlier today. I assume this is the one you're referring to. Same pair of pliers too.

 

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Well - my Wilde Tool collection expanded! These 7" slip-joint pliers have an odd logo i had not seen before. Pliers seem same as those made for Craftsman and possibly others shown on AA. Maybe production overrun?

Any insight as to when and why appreciated!

Mike
 

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Another 3/8” Wilde 189 combo wrench for the thread! :LOL:

Why is it so common?
Frankly, I hadn't really noticed the prevalence, not even when I answered @Debcrow wondering the same thing back in 2024, but it is very odd. According to the search, yours is the fifth, all in the last five years. The most important part might be the distribution. All five of you are in five different parts of the country.

They were obviously making a full range. Maybe the reason the 3/8" shows up most often is it being one of if not the smallest in the set, and the smallest of anything always tends to go missing.

When do "we" think they were made?

My thoughts... They look plain steel. They clearly predate the style of the WITCO combination wrenches shown in the 1973 catalog in IA/ITCL. But there are no combination wrenches (or DOE or DBE engineers wrenches) included in the 1958 or 1961 catalogs. Almost like they made them earlier, dropped them, and then started making them again in a different style.

It would be nice if the owners of the catalogs @Mark Stansbury posted cover photos of upthread (I am guessing he purloined them from the 'net somewhere (i.e., eBay., etc)) would scan them and make them available. They included a No. 38 (1938, if their scheme is consistent), another that looked like late 30's in its resemblance to the 1938, and a No. 41 (1941). We would at least be able to verify the production period.
GMTK contract?
It's possible. But there is no record or evidence of them being a supplier of any GMTK tools, wrenches or other, during WWII. Contracts show they sold pliers to the Navy in 1944-45 and of course the famous bayonets to the Ordnance Dept in 1942. Empirically, we know they also made valve lifters for the Ordnance Dept and some ignition wrenches for the Signal Corps.
 

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Thanks for digging in on that one Lugz. This wrench reminds me somewhat of an Indestro select steel, the design and how thin it is.

I really like the other style of Wilde wrenches that you posted up the page, but I was surprised to see this in the bin.
 
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