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@zmotorsports I've been following along the thread about clients and finances for awhile and agree on 99% of the sentiment. Our problem, that many folks don't consider until it hits them in the face, is once you reach retirement, how do you create that income stream from the wealth you have created, for your retirement. There are many things to navigate through such as taxes, healthcare, budgeting for hobbies, and/or travel to name just a few. My college degree was in Finance (although never worked in that field) and knew how to save and invest for retirement. When I approached my retirement date, I was perplexed about how to plan and prepare post career for said income stream and dealing with the tax and healthcare issues among other things. When I was in college (at that time), the courses I took never considered retirement as part of the background needed for my degree. As a result, I had no solid ideas about how to plan for this. My older brother has a financial advisor and I consulted with his advisor to help with this planning. As the wife and I have a very strong background in finance, we had some very pointed questions about how he would plan our future. In our three interviews with the advisor, he never would give us a straight answer. The advisor eventually stated that "we don't seem to be a good match", i.e. he fired us! My conclusion is that we knew too much and weren't about to be a Lemming (as my brother freely admits). The point of my story is, you can never ask too many questions to protect yourself (financially) and secondly, sometimes being fired as the client is for the best (for both parties). More importantly, as you plan for your retirement, make sure you have a Financial Advisor (if you feel you need one) that is willing to answer your questions satisfactorily and be a willing partner to meet your goals. As you well know, he/she works for you, not the other way around. We eventually did find a financial advisor. It does cost us money, but to be honest, I've way ahead of the game than if I tried to do it on my own. Even with the expense of the advisor. He has made a difference in increasing our wealth due to his expertise on getting our investments in the right place for our age and risk aversion. Mike, I'm sure you have given a lot of this consideration, so I might already be singing to the choir. As many others read this thread, I don't think it's a bad idea to voice these thoughts and experiences, for everyone else's benefit. Thanks for letting me use your soapbox....:)
I just keep in mind that every financial advisor I have ever met drives a nicer car, wears more expensive suits, and has softer hands than 90% of the people I hang around with. Someone (else) is paying for all that. Not me.
 
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This really hits home Mike. Never seem to have enough time to deal with my own stuff until it's a must do. Actually your whole post hits home and will try to write more when I get a few more minutes. Need to get on the road for a 6 hour drive. Always trying to get work pushed through to get money to do more work. Always needing something so doing more work to get the funds to get the new tools or whatever. I have stopped and thought a few times why am I doing this. Why not just pay someone else to fix my stuff and spend my money on things not shop related like everyone else. I look at my scan tools or other large purchases and think I could have gone on a vacation or something with that money. Then think how nice it is to have the stuff to deal with whatever I need to on my own vehicles. Then stop and think how I have the stuff but only use it when it prevents them from driving. Maybe I should have just bought a small socket set and a new vehicle and if it breaks pay to have it fixed. Just have a car payment like everyone else instead of buying a new tool. I've gone back and forth a few times but in the end I enjoy what I do and am happy I chose this path. And then have to remind myself that the stuff I have has been paid for by the work I do for others which allowed me to have the stuff I do to do what I do. But every once in a while I have to stop and reflect on if I would have gone a different path like most people do and if I would have been ahead in money and time if I hadn't bought all these tools.

Just this morning I ordered 400 dollars in tools to be able to replace a sensor in my truck. A sensor I've had for months with a check engine light on. I keep telling my wife the truck is PMSing because she has been driving it, it's the particulate matter sensor. She doesn't think that's as funny as I do for some reason. But replacing it has been put off because of time and also because everything I've read says it's easy to pull the threads out of the bung while changing it. So I've been putting it off in order to buy the LTI shockit kit that uses an air hammer to help prevent that. Will see how that works this weekend.

I've been trying to be more proactive on my own stuff but it's hard to want to work on your own stuff after working on other peoples stuff. Just want to take a break after finishing something for someone else instead of work on mine.

Scott, I think we are thinking along the same lines on many things, as I am sure many reading from this forum are also thinking, which is one of the reasons I so enjoy this forum. So many like-minded people and those who aren't of similar thinking, I feel there is still much respect in how we interact and some I even have had my mind changed on some things due to the manner in which information is shared here.

I apologize often for my rants and ramblings, but the truth is, the exchange of thoughts and information on this particular forum are so important as they often contain information not necessarily revolving around cars or shops. Many times, it is about life choices and decisions that are shared that connect us here and for that I am grateful to have such a place to interact with others.

That being said, I have joked with my wife for many years that as mechanics we aren't necessarily the smarted breed. We bust our asses to buy tools to do more work, then have to do more work to justify and/or pay for said new tools. :ROFLMAO: Many times it would be cheaper to just take it somewhere and have the work performed. However, that opens up a whole other issue or issues. With the less than stellar workmanship exhibited by many repair shop's mechanics, would we really be pleased with the results? By purchasing tools and arming ourselves with knowledge, we can many times perform the repair(s) to a higher level of satisfaction than we would by taking it to a "professional" shop. The added bonus is once a tool is purchased, we own it for whatever job may come our way in the future, buy once cry once comes to mind.

I have been fortunate because in all my years of wrenching, I have held onto my one rule when it comes to tools and that is a promise I made to myself when I first started in a professional shop and walked onto a professional tool truck for the very first time. I was like a kid in a candy store with all the glitter and chrome grabbing my attention. But I made a promise to myself and to my wife that I would never borrow on any tool, no matter the cost. As we all know, hand tools are not cheap but most can be saved up for over the course of a few weeks, but when it comes to larger shop equipment some costing well over $10k at a bite, this becomes a harder choice to adhere to as it often times requires years worth of saving to afford, but so worth it in the end. The wife and I have never been on a cruise or an all expense paid resort style of vacation and both the wife and I are fine with that as it isn't our style. However, we have probably spent more on the RV side of life than the average person, so it comes down to life choices, not saying one is better than the other, just different paths based on different choices.

As for finding time to work on our own stuff, this has had a hard lesson for me to learn over the course of my career and something I struggled with for many years up until more recently when I agreed to some rules with the wife when I started taking on side work again. My wife has to keep reminding me of the reason I told her I wanted to become a mechanic, that was because I wanted to drive the nicest stuff on the road and best maintained and I could not do that if I had to take it to someone else for everything. I have also had what were minor issues actually turn into larger more substantial repairs and expenses because I put it off while working on someone else's stuff. This has bitten me more than I care to admit but was a lesson I needed to learn during the search for that higher level of maintenance that I sought and dreamed of. I can thank my wife as well as both of my mentors who over the years have helped me to develop that level of preventive maintenance and something I am still "tweaking" to this day.

I think as we go through life, many of us can reflect back and see various phases or chapters and when we had to make a hard decision or change direction that one chapter or phase of life may close, but another opens. We may not recognize it at that particular point in time but looking back I am sure we can all see them clear as day years later.


During our drives last weekend, the wife and I had some very deep and good discussions about our life, how we got to this point in life and what we wanted our life to look like going forward up to and including retirement. I can honestly say that when two people are on the same page it sure makes things easier. We attended a funeral of one my wife's cousins last week and we were able to reflect back on his life from when we were first dating and married and how he behaved in his marriage and raising his family and now with his passing and as I described it to my wife with one word it really hit me, simplistic. They weren't world travelers, they had a truck and camper and traveled all around the United States, Canada and Mexico in that setup and just enjoyed life along the way all while raising their family and when that chapter was done, they enjoyed just being together and continued to travel and see so many different places. They didn't move from house to house as promotions or income levels changed, hell, I think I only remember them having about four or five cars in the 38 years I knew him as they simply didn't buy things to be buying things.

As the wife and I talked and as we reflected back on her grandparent's life as well, with my wife's grandmothers recent passing several months ago, we also described them in a similar manner. I think as I get older, I actually yearn for that more simplistic life. Now while many of you reading my thread may not agree that my wife and I live a simplistic life, I actually feel that in many ways we do as our behaviors mirror those mentioned above. We don't buy new cars because they go out of warranty, we hold on to things long term. We lived in our first home for 26-years before deciding to move, which wasn't an easy decision. We don't have to buy the latest and greatest cell phones that come out, we just replace the batteries as needed. We don't do things to impress others; we are fine being outliers and odd in our circles because we follow our own path and stick to our core beliefs when it comes to working hard and saving for our future. We weigh purchases and don't just buy whatever we feel we want today.

I don't feel like we live an extravagant life, but yet I feel we are so very rich in how blessed we are as a couple, a family and the life we have created, that we don't need to look for outside avenues or influences to get that satisfaction from. We are fine sitting on the deck with a cup of coffee and enjoying the view in the mornings or summer evenings, we don't go out to eat a lot and enjoy cooking and eating at home (unless we're on vacation and splurge a bit ;)), although we have a nice RV, it is 24-years old and we merely take care of it and enjoy it. We have talked multiple times over the years about upgrading coaches or getting something newer but then decide we are fine with what we have and don't "need" anything newer. I think there are a lot of people who buy things or take trips to exotic destinations many times taking on debt to do so, just to fill a void, and we are ones who avoid impulse purchases and have to justify them not only to ourselves, but to each other which I think keeps us a bit more grounded. For that reasoning, I feel we live quite simplistic and something I am very ok with. My wife is asked often about our trips and travel method, but she is the first one to admit that if it weren't for my ability to maintain and repair our vehicles, we probably would not have much of what we do. Back in our earlier life together, I had to have all the toys. We had sleds, dirt bikes, sand quads, sand rail, street rod/race car two enclosed trailers, flatbed trailer and so much "stuff" and all that "stuff" came at a heavy cost. I used to think that these toys and things made success, but fortunately, I learned that was not what defined success and each person had to make that distinction for themselves. My wife and I decluttered our lives, sold most all our toys, trailers and found we were much happier with less "stuff". A more simplistic life.
 
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@zmotorsports One thing my parents taught me that I always took to heart was, "pay yourself 1st". Also, on my own, whatever employer I was working for, I participated in every savings plan/vehicle they had to offer. Sometimes it was at the minimum level, but I was at least putting something away. In later years, I able to increase the amounts. Compounding is a powerful thing. Too many of the younger crowd do not understand that concept!

I so agree Mark. Living below one's means and putting money away is paying yourself first. It WILL pay off in the long run, but it takes a while to really see the benefits of it and I see people give up before they really see the benefits of compounding. Seems like people these days want instant everything and investing and planning for retirement is a marathon, not a sprint. I've had conversations with coworkers in the past who dropped out of our company's 401k program after only a few short years because they didn't see the benefits. I have always heard that the first $100k is the hardest and after that compounding begins to pay off. Although I believe that about compounding, I feel like based on my own experience, I really didn't feel like it "took off" until around the $250k or so mark. I have also tried to communicate that if a person isn't taking advantage of a company's matching plan if available, then they are really just leaving money on the table. A few percent may not seem like much, but it's something and you have to start somewhere.

Had a conversation a few months ago with a fellow coworker who is about my age. He said he needed to get serious about retirement and I was dumbfounded when he told me had hadn't been taking advantage of our company's matching program or putting anything away yet. He said he never thought about retirement and wanted to enjoy life along the way and now with retirement less than 10 years away he needs to get serious. While in my head I immediately thought he missed the boat, my comment to him was today is the best day to start. I hope he began but seeing his new truck in the parking lot leads me to think he didn't. While it's not for me to judge, I do really want all of my coworkers to be able to retire on their terms, but I can't want it enough for them, they have to take action and accountability at some point.
 
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Back to less ramblings and off my high horse now.

Shim drawer out and ready for when the parts arrive.
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Stopped on the way home and grabbed a new crosspin retaining bolt and a bottle of friction modifier.
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I moved on to removing the axle end bearings and seals.
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I've seen some people remove the seal and then the bearing, but my experience has been to just pull them both at the same time. Seems to avoid any damage to the seal sealing surface.
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With the bearings and seals removed, I sprayed brake cleaner and chased it multiple, multiple times.
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I kept folding towels and pushing through until I can get them coming out without any residue. This is critical on any rear end, but even more so on one that has as much metallic debris as this one.
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Finally after several passes the towels were coming out quite clean.
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I let the oil sit for a few days for the debris and glitter to settle, then last night dumped the oil and look at the sludge and metallic debris on the bottom of the drain pan.
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Whenever I do a rear end, I like to disconnect the vent line and blow through in both directions to ensure there are no blockages. This one has a definitive leak by the appearance of the buildup. I grabbed the hose and the fitting was very loose in the axle tube. At this point I'll clean everything, remove the hose and fitting, continue to clean then reinstall a freshly cleaned fitting, hose and clamp.
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With the tubes cleaned, I focused on removing the gasket material from the cover's mating surface and preparing to clean the pumpkin.
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Stay tuned for more pictures.
 
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Continuing on.

With the gasket sealant removed I like to run a file over the edges to ensure there are no burrs that could hold the cover up away from the housing and result in a leak.
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With the gasket surface cleaned and a couple of preliminary cleanses of the housing, I focused on the external surface of the axle housing and tubes. There was a lot of buildup on the driver's side of both the pumpkin housing as well as the axle tube. Unfortunately, with the removal of the oil and buildup, the paint also came off. I will repaint with a semi-gloss black chassis paint to restore it to factory like finish before reassembly.
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With the outside of the tube cleaned and wiped down, I removed the vent hose, clamp and fitting so all could be thoroughly cleaned before painting, then they can be reinstalled.
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With the outside of the housing cleaned, I focused on the inside of the pumpkin. There was a lot of glitter and each spray with brake cleaner and wipe down I got more and more debris until the rags were coming out cleaner and cleaner.
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If the wiping of the inside of the case nets this, it is nowhere near clean enough. Continue to clean until all debris is gone and the rags come out spotless. This is a time-consuming process, but if you want the new setup to last, it is mandatory.
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Impressive work but I am surprised that you do not seem to wear nitrile gloves. I have been wearing them for years due to contact dermatitis. I am very picky about my glove weight/thickness. I currently wear these and they are great. Not so thick that you lose feel, but also do not tear easily.
 

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To say that I am disappointed by the example of what I see here (not isolated) coming out of the factory is a real understatement. This is bad on so many levels. It's bad enough to see what passes as professional work coming out of independent repair shops but to see this coming out of the factory is just depressing. No pride in workmanship, I guess.

Rant over

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Impressive work but I am surprised that you do not seem to wear nitrile gloves. I have been wearing them for years due to contact dermatitis. I am very picky about my glove weight/thickness. I currently wear these and they are great. Not so thick that you lose feel, but also do not tear easily.

Thanks. I do have a good quality disposable glove on hand in my shop and for specific jobs or tasks I do wear them, but I don't wear them often and to avoid offending anyone I'll just leave it there.
 
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To say that I am disappointed by the example of what I see here (not isolated) coming out of the factory is a real understatement. This is bad on so many levels. It's bad enough to see what passes as professional work coming out of independent repair shops but to see this coming out of the factory is just depressing. No pride in workmanship, I guess.

Rant over

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Dan, I wholeheartedly agree. One would think that the factory would be the most precise and highest level of workmanship, but to see two of these Shelbys now firsthand and reading about dozens, if not more similar scenarios, I am just beside myself. My son sent me a short video today about the lack of American pride in workmanship and what is passing as quality control on vehicles these days and it both embarrasses me and angers me at the same time.

My comment to my son was that I agreed about the lack of American pride in workmanship, but I encourage him to hold on to his values as they still mean something. He will feel better in the long run and be able to hold his head high knowing he hasn't lowered is standards to meet everyone else's.
 

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Mike, I’ve been in probably over a 1000 shops and yours is the nicest I’ve ever seen that wasn’t a professional race shop. Check this one out!
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This is Richard Childress Racing’s shop in North Carolina, notice any similarities? It’s clean (spotless!) well organized, efficient, and ready for any task that rolls thru the door. Just like your shop! They even copied your color scheme right down to the bitchin Kenosha Red tool boxes! The fab shop was even more impressive but I was so blown away I forgot to take pictures! I’d love to just be able to visit your shop and even better be able to have you do work on my stuff that I lack the skills to do myself!





This is a great post. What stands out to me is that Mike’s shop is designed for working efficiency. Easy to pull vehicles in and out of. Utilitarian floors easy to clean and maintain. The ultimate goal being to maximize labor output and efficiency. I see the same design ideals in the layout of the Childress Racing shop in NC.

Silver Jimmy, what other shops have stood out to you, and why?

Thank you for the photos and professional insight from your vast experience.
 

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I am convinced the steering box on my 2010 Wrangler was built by toddlers on acid using Legos and discarded soup cans.
LOL, you may well be right. Mine's a '19 and I have a theory that someone confused Inches and CM's when fitting something together. I wasn't expecting German precision when I bought it, but I swear it's been a long time since I have had to make that many steering adjustments going down a straight road.
 

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Dan, I wholeheartedly agree. One would think that the factory would be the most precise and highest level of workmanship, but to see two of these Shelbys now firsthand and reading about dozens, if not more similar scenarios, I am just beside myself. My son sent me a short video today about the lack of American pride in workmanship and what is passing as quality control on vehicles these days and it both embarrasses me and angers me at the same time.

My comment to my son was that I agreed about the lack of American pride in workmanship, but I encourage him to hold on to his values as they still mean something. He will feel better in the long run and be able to hold his head high knowing he hasn't lowered is standards to meet everyone else's.
Mike, from my experience I don't think it's possible for guys that take pride in their work to lower their standards. When I worked in a factory where there was a lot of paycheck collectors that could care less about quality or hard work and there was no reward for doing more then them and no accountability. I got fed up and tried my best to lower my standards because it was killing me wanted to care. I just couldn't do it. I ended up quiting because it was even more painful to show up and try not to care. That place closed down a couple years after I quit.

Knowing your standards and can only assume those were passed down to your son, I would say it would be very hard for him to lower his standards.
 
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This is a great post. What stands out to me is that Mike’s shop is designed for working efficiency. Easy to pull vehicles in and out of. Utilitarian floors easy to clean and maintain. The ultimate goal being to maximize labor output and efficiency. I see the same design ideals in the layout of the Childress Racing shop in NC.

Silver Jimmy, what other shops have stood out to you, and why?

Thank you for the photos and professional insight from your vast experience.

Thank you. I'm flattered by your comments about my shop as the workflow and efficiency are the two things I focused on when I designed the layout for my shop. Fortunately, I had a much smaller shop previously that I was able to learn from and know what I wanted if I ever had the opportunity to build another one. Those difficulties that I dealt with from my last shop aided me greatly when designing this shop.



Mike, please don't stop your "ramblings" and "rants". You are sharing a lot of wisdom.

Thank you, but by wisdom, I think you are referring to my mistakes. :bounce: But those same mistakes are ones I don't want to see others make. Thank you for your comments and for following along.
 

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High standards are a curse when management doesn't value it. The ironic thing is that those companies that I've worked for where that was the management attitude were also the companies whose management complained the most about "can't hire good workers." Well, when you pay at the bottom end of the spectrum why do you think top end employees want to work for you?

ETA: What is that saying about how good decisions come from wisdom, and wisdom comes from bad decisions? :)
 
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Mike, from my experience I don't think it's possible for guys that take pride in their work to lower their standards. When I worked in a factory where there was a lot of paycheck collectors that could care less about quality or hard work and there was no reward for doing more then them and no accountability. I got fed up and tried my best to lower my standards because it was killing me wanted to care. I just couldn't do it. I ended up quiting because it was even more painful to show up and try not to care. That place closed down a couple years after I quit.

Knowing your standards and can only assume those were passed down to your son, I would say it would be very hard for him to lower his standards.

Thank you Scott. I appreciate the kind words. I am very proud of my son and the way he has chosen to pursue things in his life and can only hope that maybe some of that was learned from his mother and me. I often joke however, that he came pre-programmed. :ROFLMAO:


I remember when I started my career that pride in workmanship was much more prevalent than today, although even then not everyone exhibited the same level of pride or workmanship, but it seemed to be much more a culture compared to recent years. Today that high level of pride and workmanship is nearly non-existent and the workforce is more about entitlement, and we should be lucky they chose to come to work at all. What really bothers me is when people blame it on their pay. I hear comments all the time about when they make more they'll care more or they're not getting paid enough to give a **** or do a high-quality job. Comments such as that infuriate me because the pay is secondary to the actual work being performed. When I started as a mechanic my pay was barely above minimum wage, but my learning and skillset were in their infancy as I was learning so much each and every day. These days it seems like people have forgotten that pay is progressive and should be progressive as one's skillset and knowledge grow, hence, then so shall the pay, in theory. I also remember being very impressionable at that age and I was fortunate to meet and recognize two individuals that I refer to as my mentors. Both of these gentlemen were a couple of the absolutely best mechanics I had ever seen and have rarely seen any others measure up to them since. I tried to model my behaviors and attitude after theirs as I could see what a great life that they had been able to create for themselves and their families, which was important to me even at that young age.

I remember struggling with many tasks at the time but my boss and mentor telling me to understand how it works, then the diagnosis becomes easier, and it also provides you with a repair path and possibly a way to prevent it from happening again. That stuck with me to this day. I was also doing a lot of side work at this time, and he was a good sounding board for me, and I remember telling him one day that I was taking too long on a particular job but he insisted that I take my time. He told me to early on in my career to envision and decide on what kind of mechanic I wanted to be and develop a mindset that would support that image of what I wanted to be and not to do substandard work just to make money or to "get a job done". He told that what I decide in my mind and as long as I hold that at the forefront of each and every job and decision that as the experience comes and my skillset improves the money will follow. His exact words were "don't focus on the money, focus on doing the job properly and to your expectations and the money will follow". It sounded so counterintuitive at the time, but I can testify that years later, he was spot on.

I remember seeing the work he and my other mentor were performing in their home shops and just dreaming of the day when I would be the "go to" guy for so many people who wanted high quality work and would be willing to pay for it. I decided early on that I would not allow myself to sacrifice on quality solely to make a buck and that is something I have consistently been able to keep at the forefront of each job I do, even the ones where I lost my *** on, and there's been plenty. I'm not proud of those and apologized profusely to my wife when we were struggling financially and I just spent a week doing something that should have taken several hours, but I'm glad I held to those values in the end. Holding onto values is often times easy when things are going well, but it really tests a person when things start going south.

I talk to a lot of fellow mechanics and shop owners and follow a lot of trends online and it often bothers me when I see substandard work being performed and then the blame gets placed on the industry for not paying well. I get that it is not an easy field to work in, but I also think people want to be at the top without building on a solid foundation. I have been so blessed in my career and what I have been able to learn and accomplish, and throughout my entire career I have tried so hard to promote the industry and career path in a positive light and show what is "possible" in terms of creating a rewarding life. Granted, if you want glamorous, being a mechanic is NOT the path you should choose to pursue, but in terms of being rewarding and one where a person has the "opportunity" to create a great life and provide for their family, I feel it is a great choice.

I would like to see the next generation of people coming into the trades take those opportunities more seriously and realize what an amazing life they can create for themselves IF they choose to put in the time and effort. There is such a wealth of knowledge to be had at this point in time if they just decide to grab onto that knowledge, before that knowledge retires and leaves the industry.
 
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I was able to get a little more completed on the Shelby GT last night.

Some of the parts arrived.
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Everything looks accurate. Still waiting on the R&P though.
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I thought I'd prep, mask and paint the rear end housing before moving on to cleaning parts.
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With the painting done, I moved on to cleaning and final inspection.
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Before closing up for the night, I snapped some pictures of the painted rear end.
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I also added some thread sealant to the vent fitting, reinstalled and reconnected the vent hose.
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Mike: I really enjoy these “local jobs” you take on that are sort of “in and out” projects (example: GT500 read end). They demonstrate your level and depth of knowledge, and show the standard others should strive for when performing these tasks. Often times highlighting the total ineptitude of car dealership technicians in this day and age.
 
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Yeah, that paint looks really good! Is that the Big Rig paint?

Paint work looks excellent. Nice work as usual.

What paint was used? Looks beautiful.


Nice paint work Mike!

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Thanks guys. For a rattle can it turned out well, but then like anything else, it comes down to prep work, oh and the paint shaker definitely aided in how well it turned out. ;) Short of removing the entire rear end assembly from the car, I'm pleased with the results and hope the client is as well. Painting the rear end is not something we discussed, but seeing how quickly the factory finish came off when I was trying to clean up the vent leak, I really didn't want to let it go like that. I have not performed any work for this particular client before, he sought me out via my YouTube channel and was very convincing. When I told the wife about it she was quite nervous due to the way the last Shelby job worked out, and he came as a referral. :rolleyes:

For paint, I used the Seymour Big Rig High Solids in Flat Black. At first, I tested both the Summit Racing Semi-Gloss Black and the Eastwood Extreme Chassis paint in Semi-Gloss on a couple of spots the night before, but the sheen didn't match of the Summit for the rest of the chassis/undercarriage, and I was trying my hardest to make it look as close to OE as possible. The Eastwood Extreme Chassis would have also been a very close match, but I've really been liking this Seymour Big Rig paint lately.
 
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Mike: I really enjoy these “local jobs” you take on that are sort of “in and out” projects (example: GT500 read end). They demonstrate your level and depth of knowledge, and show the standard others should strive for when performing these tasks. Often times highlighting the total ineptitude of car dealership technicians in this day and age.

Thank you. I appreciate the comments. What really concerns me is the fact that the work I do really shouldn't be that much above and beyond what people are paying other shops to do. During the multiple conversations I had with the owner of this car prior to agreeing to work on it, he made several observations from other places he has had his vehicles and shared his disappointment. When we met and I shared my feelings on what I feel I provide he stopped me and simply told me I didn't need to convince him, my videos showed my work and were all he needed to see to know I was who he wanted working on his car. Now was some of that blowing smoke up my ***? Probably. But he certainly made some scary observations from what he's had to deal with from other shops and mechanics.
 
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Mike, I don’t think he was trying to
blow smoke up your ***. It is rough out there. Hardly anyone seems to give a damn this last decade in the U.S.

I agree that many people's give a **** tank is running on fumes, but I guess much of my skepticism simply comes from experience. In the past, I have experienced quite a bit of "sucking up" or "flattery" just because someone wants something from me. It has made me a bit guarded and somewhat suspicious and cynical thinking. It's hard for me to read people's true intentions these days as I've been burned in the past.
 

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I agree that many people's give a **** tank is running on fumes, but I guess much of my skepticism simply comes from experience. In the past, I have experienced quite a bit of "sucking up" or "flattery" just because someone wants something from me. It has made me a bit guarded and somewhat suspicious and cynical thinking. It's hard for me to read people's true intentions these days as I've been burned in the past.


That’s true, too.

But in this case, he put in the time to watch your work on YouTube. That investment would make me feel as though the client is more qualified than one using false flattery- who never bothered to look in the first place.
 

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Mike, I’ve been in probably over a 1000 shops and yours is the nicest I’ve ever seen that wasn’t a professional race shop. Check this one out!
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This is Richard Childress Racing’s shop in North Carolina, notice any similarities? It’s clean (spotless!) well organized, efficient, and ready for any task that rolls thru the door. Just like your shop! They even copied your color scheme right down to the bitchin Kenosha Red tool boxes! The fab shop was even more impressive but I was so blown away I forgot to take pictures! I’d love to just be able to visit your shop and even better be able to have you do work on my stuff that I lack the skills to do myself!



Video of above shop:

 

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I agree that many people's give a **** tank is running on fumes, but I guess much of my skepticism simply comes from experience. In the past, I have experienced quite a bit of "sucking up" or "flattery" just because someone wants something from me. It has made me a bit guarded and somewhat suspicious and cynical thinking. It's hard for me to read people's true intentions these days as I've been burned in the past.
As someone who can appreciate quality work I can say if I had the option of bringing my vehicles to someone like you I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately people like you are rare these days, and I can't really afford to pay you what you are worth so I struggle with my own repairs.

It builds character.
 
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As someone who can appreciate quality work I can say if I had the option of bringing my vehicles to someone like you I would do it in a heartbeat. Unfortunately people like you are rare these days, and I can't really afford to pay you what you are worth so I struggle with my own repairs.

It builds character.

I am sure, based on jobs I have seen Mike take, that he uses a discretionary pricing model. I am sure based on his character that he is fair and reasonable- to a fault.

Thank you for the comments guys. I would like to think I am fair in not only my pricing, but also my time, maybe more so in favor of the client than myself at times though. :unsure: My shop rate is far less than any other shops in our area, but I don't necessarily go off of book time so sometimes my labor hours are slightly elevated over a commercial shop. I may use that as a guide, but I don't charge by it, and many times find myself rounding the hours down. Also some of the odd jobs I do have no book time as they are so odd or unique. My theory has always been that I don't have a lease on my building as it's paid for nor do I have to deal with certain aspects like workman's comp, etc. that a commercial shop does so I can charge a bit less and still have a decent profit margin. Others have told me I shouldn't punish myself on hour rates just because I sacrificed to have a paid for shop or others aspects where I keep overhead low, but I still charge what I think is a fair rate and feel like I am making a fair profit, most of the time.

I log my hours on each particular job before closing up the shop each night. I have found that to be more accurate when it comes to figuring the final bill than trying to remember how many hours were spent on it at the end of a 5- or 6-night project. I do find myself at times though as I'm logging the hours reducing them on certain tasks because I felt like whatever part of the job that night may have taken me a bit longer than it should have. I am told that I am only hurting myself and I'm not being honest with myself when I do that. However, I want to be fair and honest with the client. Cleaning and painting the rear end in the Shelby is an example of this. Yes, the metal shavings in the housing were thick and heavy and needed to be thoroughly cleaned out in order to achieve a proper and long lasting repair, but I probably took a bit longer than I should have, then combined with wiping the exterior down, sanding and prepping for paint I ended up knocking some time off because I think it took me a bit longer than it should have.

What bothers me about the owner of the previous Shelby I did is the guy just beat me up over pricing and I practically gave him the job anyways. I let my emotion take over as I felt bad for the sob story he was feeding me. Afterwards I learned from his friend that he always does that. :mad: Then I was pissed at his friend for referring him to me. He also supplied the parts so I didn't make anything on the parts so I really just more or less lost my *** plus had to put up with his ****. I'm not sure what others on here mark up their parts at, but I only mark them up about 30%. Most shops in my area are at 100% markup on parts, but that just seems excessive. People have to know there is some markup, but 100% seems ridiculous. My markup is mainly to cover my time researching, chasing down or ordering and using my funds to purchase until the job is completed.
 

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Mike,
Whatever you charge the customer will be a fair price all the way around. If the customer doesn't agree with the pricing, then they can go someplace else. You don't have to put up with their BS. If someone wants to grouse about the price, send them packing. As far as what you charge, you charge an amount you feel like you can live with....that's all you need to do.....carry on!
 
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Mike,
Whatever you charge the customer will be a fair price all the way around. If the customer doesn't agree with the pricing, then they can go someplace else. You don't have to put up with their BS. If someone wants to grouse about the price, send them packing. As far as what you charge, you charge an amount you feel like you can live with....that's all you need to do.....carry on!

Thanks Mark, but I don't want people to feel like they just got raped when they leave either. I don't do this full-time and most of the time I really do enjoy the opportunity to work on such a wide range of things, so I'm not doing it solely for the money, it's learning opportunities for me as well. That being said, when people leave my shop, I really want them to feel like they paid a fair price for a higher-than-average job and be pleased. I know some people will never be happy, but I would rather not deal with those miserable people.
 

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Mike - I completely agree with your point and while I don't do work for hire, I certainly do my fair share of "wheeling and dealing." My wife hates when I say this, but I have even used it when negotiating new jobs/salary, etc., I tell people, "I want both of us to feel good about this transaction/interaction when we are done, and if we don't then we shouldn't move forward," I am a firm believer that stating this and essentially, "putting some ownness" back on the the other party will certainly make them think twice about how they are negotiating.

Can't say it always works, but I feel like it makes people think twice about their tactics.
 

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wiping the exterior down, sanding and prepping for paint I ended up knocking some time off because I think it took me a bit longer than it should have.

Mike, did the client ask you to repaint the axle? My guess is you did it because you just can't stand something that looks crappy/half done, even when it really won't be seen. I know, because I'm the same way.

Last year I replaced the leaf springs and trailer brakes on my boss' boat trailer. This trailer actually had disc brakes so he wanted me to just replace the pads and rotors. The calipers were galvanized so they still looked OK, but the caliper brackets were all rusty and crappy looking. No way I could put it all back together and with new stuff and leave those rusty brackets. I removed the brackets, cleaned them up and repainted them because it just 'finished' off the job. I didn't charge him for that extra 20-30 mins, but I'm sure appreciated the extra effort as he keeps bringing me other work.
 
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