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haha, can totally agree on the "one of those tools i hope to rarely/never use"

love all the big equipment, never spent much time around things that big, but certainly miss being around tractors and the likes
 
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We didn't have much in the way of terraces in Western NE where I grew up, but if I had a nickel for every hour I spent moving dirt in a JD paddle scraper, I would be very wealthy!

100% agree on a trailed pan scraper and the correct tractor with creature comforts to pull it.

I learned from the best when it came to moving dirt. My dad spent many years running scrapers and flat-track D8's, he even helped build the runway first used for the new at the time 747s out in Washington at the Boeing plant.
 

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Eh, if you're keeping that Wera kit in your car I could see the 10mm being useful. Certainly overkill for the 1/2" ratchet but you can change a battery with it.

I keep going back and forth about where to keep my Wera Tool Check Plus. In a car? Which one? In my toolbag? In our junk drawer? Similarly, I wish it had a 14mm and not a 13mm if it's in a car, but with the small 1/4 ratchet it would be difficult to break a faster loose.
 

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A late model Series 60 Detroit Diesel with a three piece timing cover has three bolts behind the camshaft gear. They use a 10mm or 12mm (I don't remember which) 12 point head. Everyone at the shop was rounding the heads off the bolts, and having to replace them. It could be a real pain. I started using my 18" long 1/2" drive Snap On ratchet with a Snap On 1/2" drive 12 point socket on them. Never rounded off another bolt as opposed to using a 3/8" drive ratchet. You could apply greater torque, more gently, with less wind up.

Pretty soon all the guys in the shop bought that same ratchet and socket from out Snap On guy. I felt like I deserved a kick back!

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Pretty soon all the guys in the shop bought that same ratchet and socket from out Snap On guy. I felt like I deserved a kick back!

Martin

You did deserve a kickback! Or at least a nice discount on the next purchase off the truck!
 

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Before impact wrenches on the farm, my cousin and I put a 10 degree bend in a 1/2" Craftsman ratchet and chipped some ratchet teeth.
Each of us weighed in around 140#, we had an 8' pipe on the ratchet and we were holding onto the grain bed of the farm truck, bouncing up and down on the pipe to loosen the dual wheel bolts.:)

Went to Sears to get replacement gears and salesperson reached over an picked up a new ratchet, I explained I only wanted to buy the gears, salesperson said it's covered under warranty. I said I'm sure your warranty does not include an 8' cheater pipe :) Salesperson says it does, if you let me keep the ratchet and put it in our display case.:) Okay!

54 years later, still using that replacement ratchet, without the cheater pipe.
 

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A cheater pipe on a Craftsmen ratchet sounds scary! I never found one that doesn't pop over to the other direction and bash your fingers without adding additional leverage.

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Lighted china cabinet or cocktail bar?

Essentially

It's uranium glassware that my grandparents picked up at auctions over the years. Making the transition to assisted living so there is a house worth of stuff that needs disposed of. I was familiar with the glassware but never realized they had an entire China cabinet full of it as I never recall seeing the blacklight on. I grabbed some pieces, my brother grabbed a few pieces...rest goes to auction.

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I'm going to set it up on top of a kitchen cabinet upper so the light strips won't be visible, then plug it into a wifi enabled smart plug to make turning it on and off easy.
 

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Thats super neat! Im also an LED nut so those kind of projects are always cool.

reminds me of college when people took empty liquor bottles filled them with water and put highlighters in them so all the ink would bleed out then the whole bottle would react under a black light.
 
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Before impact wrenches on the farm, my cousin and I put a 10 degree bend in a 1/2" Craftsman ratchet and chipped some ratchet teeth.
Each of us weighed in around 140#, we had an 8' pipe on the ratchet and we were holding onto the grain bed of the farm truck, bouncing up and down on the pipe to loosen the dual wheel bolts.:)

Went to Sears to get replacement gears and salesperson reached over an picked up a new ratchet, I explained I only wanted to buy the gears, salesperson said it's covered under warranty. I said I'm sure your warranty does not include an 8' cheater pipe :) Salesperson says it does, if you let me keep the ratchet and put it in our display case.:) Okay!

54 years later, still using that replacement ratchet, without the cheater pipe.

I will admit I was fortunate in that we had a better than average tool collection on our farm so things like that were less common....though not unheard of :). I remember in high school I was helping out part time on a neighbors place(may have also been dating his daughter) and something had a flat and the 1/2" impact wasn't touching it and I asked where the slugging extension was and got a funny look....I then asked where the 1" impact wrench was...got a laugh on that one....it was then I found out those things weren't as common and out came a cheater on the 3/4" breaker bar!

I do remember the probably 2x a year trip where we'd remember to take the broken ratches and sockets along when we were going thru one of the towns that had a Sears(was an hour away) and would get them swapped. Wasn't many but would normally be a couple wrenches, sockets and a ratchet or two that gave up the ghost. No questions...just told us to go get the replacement!

Thats super neat! Im also an LED nut so those kind of projects are always cool.

reminds me of college when people took empty liquor bottles filled them with water and put highlighters in them so all the ink would bleed out then the whole bottle would react under a black light.

I'm glad to hear that great college decorating taste transcends state boundaries! I swear that was the first thing half my buddies did their sophomore year of college when they get a house/apt was beer/liquor bottle decorating...often with the mentioned highlighter liquid! Then the fancy/better funded ones would try and hang up the Crown Royal bags like scalps....some things are just rites of passage I think.


Trying to keep up a bit of momentum on some projects....wife razzed a bit(well deserved) on how the LED project she knew nothing about jumped in front of all the others that need progress....fair. So lunch hour involved removing the aluminum extrusion perimeter on the 10' markerboard and cutting into (2) 5' ones....had I been smarter I would've bought it like that....oh well.

and then there was 2.jpg

Used the tracksaw track with the old circular saw as it's a thin steel sheet face(magnetic) and didn't want to ruin a good tracksaw blade...but the cheap blade in the old "won't possibly die" Black & Decker circular saw I didn't care about

Coming soon...mahogany perimeter on it...should look better in a home office environment then beat up ugly aluminum. The marker tray along the bottom will be kept, but mahogany on sides and top

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Total thickness is about 7/16....I haven't bought a dado brake for the tablesaw yet....but with an 1/8" kerf that should be pretty easy to sneak up on the proper width for a snug fit....famous last words
 

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I had lord knows how many hornby cider bottles around the top of the cabinets in the kitchen kf the house I rented in college...... those were dark days Logan......

And yes I think that was a right of passage.... probably doesn't exist anymore hahaah
 
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I had lord knows how many hornby cider bottles around the top of the cabinets in the kitchen kf the house I rented in college...... those were dark days Logan......

And yes I think that was a right of passage.... probably doesn't exist anymore hahaah

Hornby Cider....can't say I ever recall seeing cider bottles decorating in my town! But then again if I was staring super intently at the bottles cause it was the best thing there to look at I was at the wrong party. I had enough scenery like that in the engineering complex

Trying to keep going on the marker board. I just "happened" to be driving past the local Woodcraft today....couldn't not support a local brick and mortar and their prices were actually spot on with online...so a few things followed me home

Got the perimeter for the first board jointed then ripped to 2.5" wide.

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First time swapping brake cartridges...pretty easy. New dado cartridge going in...one of today's additions

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Measuring up the stack

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And after an anxious flip of the switch without a brake activation, then running the blade up and putting a bit ole cut in the nice and pretty new ZCI...again another addition today.

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I had planned to put the groove in without the dado stack...but I owned the dado stack already and needed the brake and new zci so said screw it and just bought them

Also get to play tooth fairy tonight for the daughter

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Things I've learned or reinforced so far on this project in no particular order

I need more space/less stuff
Dust collection must get working
Ladders need to find a home
I need less stuff
 
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Things I've learned or reinforced so far on this project in no particular order

I need more space/less stuff
Dust collection must get working
Ladders need to find a home
I need less stuff
Add, I need to stop hoarding so much stuff when it's basic stuff that the local store has on hand.

Don't get me wrong, I got lots of stuff in my garage that's basic and can be acquired at the local store easily. But I've been having to remind myself that I don't need to stock it all.

Oh and I should mention more organization should be add to that list.


Projects are looking good! As for the order of the projects, sometimes you have to do a project for yourself to keep yourself happy when you're working on everyone else's projects.
 

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Love the hijacks...keep them coming!

We've got a couple 3' or 4' pipe wrenches on the farm....only time I can recall using them was on a John Deere 860A scraper like this one(image from the interwebz):

Hearing them called scrapers (and not pans) is odd as to me as hearing someone call it a haul truck and not a "Uke" (euclid). Though Western Pennsylvania / Eastern Ohio tend to make up their own words for things.
 
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Add, I need to stop hoarding so much stuff when it's basic stuff that the local store has on hand.

Don't get me wrong, I got lots of stuff in my garage that's basic and can be acquired at the local store easily. But I've been having to remind myself that I don't need to stock it all.

This has been a harder habit for me to break. Grew up on a farm, had autoparts stores either 3 minutes or 8 minutes away....small town lumberyard/hardware store 8 minutes away...after that it got harder and was 20 min to an hour so we had the parts assortment accumulated over years and years. Carried that habit to when I lived in Iowa and was a 15 minute drive back to town with a decent small-er town lumberyard but an hour to a big box....so tried to keep stocked up on stuff that I might need and not force the trip when a project got stalled due to materials. Both in Chicago and here I've got multiple big box, hardware store and specialty dealers within a 15 minute drive so I need to downsize my stored up collection and let them warehouse it for me....but been a tougher habit to break when I'm used to do the "oh I need 2 of this, I'll get an extra 1 or 2 just in case"


Hearing them called scrapers (and not pans) is odd as to me as hearing someone call it a haul truck and not a "Uke" (euclid). Though Western Pennsylvania / Eastern Ohio tend to make up their own words for things.

Hadn't really thought about scraper vs pan...but I guess I'm used to hearing it called scraper for self propelled and pan for pull behind. Never heard a haul truck called a Uke though....but haven't had a lot of exposure to those as growing up there wasn't a lot of hauling being done as dirt was plentiful so no need to haul it. If you needed to move quantities, the hauling was generally done with the pan/scraper, rock was hauled with conventional dump truck or semi trailer.
 
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Hadn't really thought about scraper vs pan...but I guess I'm used to hearing it called scraper for self propelled and pan for pull behind. Never heard a haul truck called a Uke though....but haven't had a lot of exposure to those as growing up there wasn't a lot of hauling being done as dirt was plentiful so no need to haul it. If you needed to move quantities, the hauling was generally done with the pan/scraper, rock was hauled with conventional dump truck or semi trailer.

It's likely regional (or more likely local). I grew up next to a strip mine. I could see and hear the dragline running 24/7 as a little kid from my parents house. The strip mine was conveniently only ~1000 yards away on the neighbors farm, and adjacent to my grandparents farm, convenient since that was the last pit where my grandfather worked as an equipment operator before he retired. Being a little kid and getting the up close tour of the inside of the dragline while operating is something I'll never forget.

I didn't realize until much later that Uke, was short for Euclid. Everyone just called them ukes, and they ran through town on the uke road between the cement plant and the limestone pits.
 

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This has been a harder habit for me to break. Grew up on a farm, had autoparts stores either 3 minutes or 8 minutes away....small town lumberyard/hardware store 8 minutes away...after that it got harder and was 20 min to an hour so we had the parts assortment accumulated over years and years. Carried that habit to when I lived in Iowa and was a 15 minute drive back to town with a decent small-er town lumberyard but an hour to a big box....so tried to keep stocked up on stuff that I might need and not force the trip when a project got stalled due to materials. Both in Chicago and here I've got multiple big box, hardware store and specialty dealers within a 15 minute drive so I need to downsize my stored up collection and let them warehouse it for me....but been a tougher habit to break when I'm used to do the "oh I need 2 of this, I'll get an extra 1 or 2 just in case"

I come from a small town and the big box stores were 50 mins away. The local hardware store and parts store was a hit and miss if they had what I needed, and they closed at 5pm when I didn't get off till 6pm most of the time.

So, I hear ya.

Now living in Monroeville, everything is just 2 miles from the house and if that one doesn't have it, another big store is only another 2 miles away.
 
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First off thank you Mr Carrier for air conditioning...without the minisplit nothing would've been done in the garage today.

#roundover won the day

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Haven't posted it here but the adjustable height drafting table is back together....needs a mobile base but think I'm going to really like this for height adjustability. Baby California Air tool compressor was a Prime day buy and intends to power a vacuum clamp pad setup and have a tap for nailguns as well. Longer term would like to add a power station so it can be fully "cordless" for a day or two before recharging.

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And then started working thru sandpaper....got from 80 to 150....and then I ran out

So for the wood butchers out there....what sandpaper are you liking for 5" random orbitals? This was Mirka which has always worked fine but think it's all I've used...so am I missing anything?

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Debating on getting a coat of Danish oil on tonight anyway....jumping the gun....but want to see if it can be mounted in the office for Monday
 

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I’ve been using some from Klinspor and liking it compared to the Diablo from Home Depot. Can’t say how it compares to Mirka.

Nice work on the whiteboard!
 
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Another thank you to Mr. Carrier....providing additional space for the kids to leave their toys and stuff in ;) It really is great to be able to have them spend some time in the garage with me while I putz and they ride their bikes around in the empty stall...they hate all noise(even drills) so it's mostly cleaning time but still a win

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So did end up tossing Danish oil on it last night...safety reminder to be cautious of your finish waste...I may have knocked over the can and had to soak up some spilled finish with sawdust so tossed all the trash and rags into a bucket with water and into the yard overnight. Plastic bucket...not ideal...but it was out in the middle of the yard in water so it made me feel better. Going to have to keep an eye out for a metal lid safety trash can on marketplace and Craigslist.

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Few tools collecting thanks to my FSD flaring back up....note these are all actively in use!

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1-1/8" screws from the backside, thru the MDF backer/metal markerboard sheet and into the exterior side of the groove to help secure the markerboard well. I also stuck a #10 or 12 x 3.5" long screw down vertically from the top "rail" down to the stile to help secure that together.

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And lugged up into it's home....it's heavy...guessing at least 60 lbs...and awkward to move. I'm debating on hanging methodology...the easy way would be to screw thru the face of that top rail with some #10 x 3.5" screws right into studs. Finish width is 62" and studs are on 16" centers so I can easily grab 3 studs. Other option would be to put some L bracket/hanger hooks into the backside and go for a more concealed look...but I'm still hesitant with that and kids and would probably still stick at least (2) screws thru into studs

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The frame looks great! I like that table.

Thanks...after I finish up cleaning up the mess and a bit of CAD work I need to do making the next steps on that table I think is next up before I do the other markerboard half


I’ve been using some from Klinspor and liking it compared to the Diablo from Home Depot. Can’t say how it compares to Mirka.

Nice work on the whiteboard!

Saw a number of good reviews for Klingspor product, it'll be on the list depending on how these others work out

Check out Search Serious Grit on Amazon (recommendation from @nicholam77 ). When my current stash need replenishing I’ll experiment with this stuff.

Festools granat is also good but spendy.


Thanks! Ended up ordering (2) of the assorted grit packs of 3M Cubitron


It's hard to go wrong with 3M products, coupled with solid reviews and this interesting review from Katz-Moses


Also thanks to the recommendation picked up the assorted pack from Serious Grit

Should set me up for a couple days...delivery on Monday so see if I can get to trying it out by end of the week.
 

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Board is looking good with the nice wood trim!

I know the FSD issue and I have been good about putting my tools away between projects. But what I have noticed is I'm spending a lot of time going back and forth for the same tools that I used between projects to the point that I thought about a mobile cart to wheel around the garage.
 
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Tonight's little project was a base for the drafting table

Piece of the plywood desk tops retrieved from the stash and laid out

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Tracksaw makes this easy

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And success

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Cutout on the front is for the up/down switch, its foot activated at the base of the column. Plan to attach to the metal base with self tapping screws, then will mount 4 swivel casters to it. Still unsure what I'm going to do for a toe brake to keep it from rolling around...though with on-board compressed air...pneumatics sounds fun!
 

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Cutout on the front is for the up/down switch, its foot activated at the base of the column. Plan to attach to the metal base with self tapping screws, then will mount 4 swivel casters to it. Still unsure what I'm going to do for a toe brake to keep it from rolling around...though with on-board compressed air...pneumatics sounds fun!
Looking good. What about a floor brake, like this?
 

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The whiteboard turned out out great! I think @Boostingaz idea for the cleat would be good. Or French Cleat, but wouldn't be as low profile.

Haven't posted it here but the adjustable height drafting table is back together....needs a mobile base but think I'm going to really like this for height adjustability. Baby California Air tool compressor was a Prime day buy and intends to power a vacuum clamp pad setup and have a tap for nailguns as well.

Great ideas for the drafting table. I'm a fan of California Air Tools, and that small one looks just right for a mobile / bench compressor. Got a vacuum clamp pad in mind? I've long looked at the VacPad, for no other reason than it looks cool and would be fun to add to my MFT.

This one isn't adjustable height, but I like the look of it:


Jealous of those thick pieces of plywood, especially these days... super hard to find or super expensive. Would make a good dining table top! (for my house, anyways).

Check out Search Serious Grit on Amazon (recommendation from @nicholam77 ). When my current stash need replenishing I’ll experiment with this stuff.

Festools granat is also good but spendy.

Festool was kind enough to send a single sheet of granat with my ETS 125 REQ :ROFLMAO: . It worked well, but to be honest I don't notice a difference with the Serious Grit. I don't know much about sandpaper but it's worked fine for me. My main reason is it's available with the Festool hole pattern, and was quite a bit cheaper than the granat. I'm still on the same multi-pack I got a few years ago.

Keep up the momentum, Logan! 🍻
 
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On the board. What if you went with something like:


And then just a screw in each bottom corner just for safety so the kids can't "knock" it up. It's heavy and unlikely but won't hurt. At least it would all be mostly hidden.


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Here is a longer one:


I was considering a Z-Clip or cleat style mount like that...ended up just doing face screws as I test drilled a scrap and couldn't see the screw head easily

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(4) screws across the top, then just have a couple 3M command strips in the bottom corners keeping the bottom of the board from swinging up. Need to 3D print some new endcap/pull out drawers for the marker tray...then start on the matching one for the other half of the wall.

Looking at this picture reminds me my office is a mess and need to get the upgrades done to the other printer and it running again

Board is looking good with the nice wood trim!

Thanks!

I know the FSD issue and I have been good about putting my tools away between projects. But what I have noticed is I'm spending a lot of time going back and forth for the same tools that I used between projects to the point that I thought about a mobile cart to wheel around the garage.

Yeah....this comment resonated strongly as I was starring at a pile of small clamps(6 to 18" long ones) on a table and realized I've got an unused end of that table I could just make mounts/storage/hanging for them there...right at point of use....

Added to the list of stuff to do!

Looking good. What about a floor brake, like this?

Thanks! I've got a couple similar to that style...problem I'm having is I don't like where I think I'd need to put them. I'm hoping to get the wheels mounted tonight to get a better idea of how much it wants to roll on it's own. The slope on this floor is more than I'd like(last garage was detached with a flat slab) but the big assy table rolls downhill easier than I'd like so I think, especially with sanding or assy usage I'll need a brake of some type

The whiteboard turned out out great! I think @Boostingaz idea for the cleat would be good. Or French Cleat, but wouldn't be as low profile.
Thanks! I have an idea of what I'm going to do different on the next one....will see how that goes!


Great ideas for the drafting table. I'm a fan of California Air Tools, and that small one looks just right for a mobile / bench compressor. Got a vacuum clamp pad in mind? I've long looked at the VacPad, for no other reason than it looks cool and would be fun to add to my MFT.

This one isn't adjustable height, but I like the look of it:


I'm thinking of something like this video, I've used this concept of Azek type PVC cellular trim for vac clamping before, we used it for some custom vac clamping pods in a previous role.


It being customizable is a perk as well...and if it's thin enough I could even route a pocket into the top and embed a couple...or just do the easy approach and have storage for them and toss them on the top/front face as needed.
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Keep up the momentum, Logan! 🍻

Thanks sir....trying to keep it up....see how long it lasts!

Quick CAD model for some sandpaper holders inspired off @slodat shipping bag holder came off the printer this morning in blue PETG

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The slots are a 1/2" deep and these discs really like to stick to each other, so there is another one finishing up shortly with 1" deep slots to give a bit more room

Also managed to get the plywood base anchored down to the metal frame with the usage of only 2 colors of power tools and a few more than a dozen self tapping hex heads

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And there is a built in set of (2) pass thru power outlets in the base so I went ahead and stuck in a 2" hole thru the top for that....probably should've grabbed a hole saw bit for this instead....

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Everything is looking great! 🍺

Your comment about the floor slope.....

I'm so glad my floor is flat! It was a bit of sticky point and took some polite "arguing" but I got it approved. They were taking the stance that since I have an overhead door, it needs to have a sloped floor. However, I finally got it through to them that it's a shop, not a garage, and if there is no vehicle storage it doesn't have to be sloped. It helped that on the blueprints it was very clearly marked "shop" and "garage", both sides were labeled differently.

The shop is flat but the other half of the building because it is indeed storage is sloped.
 
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Hey look...it rolls!

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4 wheel swivel casters....overkill on the 3/8 x 1" lag screws....wanted some short GRK style structural screws so I wouldnt have to pilot but none at big orange box so these will do

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Freshly greased and it seems to roll nice but will need the brake. Think I found a spot to put a toe brake...now to see if I have one on the shelf

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And the larger sandpaper holder got done...the larger slot is far more gracious to remove sheets from...so another one is printing overnight
 

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And the larger sandpaper holder got done...the larger slot is far more gracious to remove sheets from...so another one is printing overnight
Now that you've got two, I have some suggestions: How about label holders to ID the different grits in the slots? Or including label text on the print itself?
 

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That mobile drafting bench is turning out pretty neat. What's its role? Just a general surface? Assembly? To @madison069 's point earlier, it seems like that floating bench top would have a good opportunity to hang some oft-used tools right at the station, like the small clamps you were talking about, maybe a small drill or two, nailers, could even 3D print some storage for consumables like glue or tape if that's in the cards for how the work surface will be used. I'm interested to see what you do with it — with how open it is around the base there's lots of room to store other stuff besides the compressor, like tool boxes or power tool's in cases (sander perhaps?) at the station you'd be using it (if that's true).

I'm thinking of something like this video, I've used this concept of Azek type PVC cellular trim for vac clamping before, we used it for some custom vac clamping pods in a previous role.

Awesome video, I hadn't seen that one, or his channel! I've seen other DIY vac clamps emulating the Festool VacSys etc, but this seems like a great implementation. Sometimes I feel like I've reached the end of YouTube's algorithm, so it's always exciting to see a new woodworking channel.
 
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