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I’m sure you said where you got those machine guards from at the time, but if you remember and how efficient are they at containing chips flying everywhere? Your shop is so compact I’m sure that is a very high concern of yours. I’m still getting my Ex-Cell-O mill set up and am worried about chip control. Thanks, and keep going, I learn stuff every time I visit your shop!
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The Sheilds work great. They are not 100% effective but do drastically help maintain the chip mess. Just wish I would have bought them sooner. I most likely will make a vacuums extractor holder for the mill at somepoint too. The lights on the mill are from them as well. I also have this magnifier glass from them as well.
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All of their products are well made. And made in the usa too. Just not cheap.
 

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I was a Snap-On dealer for 30 years and every time one of my customers would tell me that my competitor’s tools were cheaper I’d always agree with them, and then point out that they also cost less too! I don’t mind paying more for great quality, especially to the original innovator of that product. How many and what size do you recommend for a 9”x42” mill like mine? I also want to get the slot covers to keep chips from hiding in there too!
 
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I was a Snap-On dealer for 30 years and every time one of my customers would tell me that my competitor’s tools were cheaper I’d always agree with them, and then point out that they also cost less too! I don’t mind paying more for great quality, especially to the original innovator of that product. How many and what size do you recommend for a 9”x42” mill like mine? I also want to get the slot covers to keep chips from hiding in there too!
Mine are 12x12 and I’m happy with that size.
I’m not happy with the slot covers I got from grizzly. I need to either make some custom covers or most likely just cut some urethane strips to fit once I finish the rotary table.
 
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Back to a little work on bikes. My friend was complaining on our last ride how her fork felt super stiff. So I told her I'd take a look at it.

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When I pulled the lowers, I noticed the foam ring has a giant chunk missing out of it. She just had a full service done on this bike at a local shop a month ago..... talk about **** work. Only way this happens is if the foam ring isn't properly installed with a seal driver. With the seals out, I tested the fit of the lowers on the stanctions. It was dam sticky and felt very grabby. Something isn't right with the bushings and this is a new fork this year.
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So out comes my Fork Burnshing tool. The various heads burnish the glide bushings in the fork. In realty it basically just speeds up the fork break in process, and cleans up any issues with the bushings being a bit out of tolerance.
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The the 36 size head on for her fox 36, I ran the tool in and out of each leg while twisting it. Took about 5 passes on each leg to get both the upper and lower bushing to the point the tool would easily pass through.
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I then added some slickolem to each of the 4 bushings.
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I like to keep a full assortment of spare parts for forks on hand. It saves a trip to the local bike shop and is really nice when working on bikes in the evening.
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I always use forceps to soak the new rings in the proper bath oil for each leg. These should be well lubricated.
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The abby seal press does a great job of quickly and perfectly installing the new seals and foam ring each time.
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When I went to reinstall her wheel, I noticed some excessive wear on the caliper. Those black marks are the inner lamination of the rotor. It was that far worn!
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The minimum thickness is 1.5mm, she wore it all the way down to 1.25!
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I was surprised she still had pad material left, I thought that she must have worn into the backer, but nope, its minimal, but there still pads in there. So tossed some new pads in and upgraded her 180 to a 203 rotor.
 
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I’ve finally had enough with taking the Kurt handle on and off the vise
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So ordered a new made in the USA handle off of eBay for $40. Seems well made. I intend to leave it on the vise so it needs a way to secure it in place. So I’m going to add two set screws to it
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I figured out where the flats are in two spots on different axis. First step is to use a small center drill for the pilot hole since this is a sloped and convex location
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Then drilled it with a #7 drill
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Followed by a counter sink
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Since it’s a through hole I taped it with a ¼-20 gun tap. The gun taps are designed to push the chips through the hole so are less likely to break and cut better than a standard hardware store tap
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To secure the handles I’m using vibratight. It works better than the standard blue lock tight imop.
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I’m going to use ¼-20 brass set screws so I don’t mar the surface of the vise screw
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You can see the opposing angles for the set screws here
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All installed and rock solid. Plus it clears the y axis handle unlike the Kurt vise handle. I’m happy with it.
 
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I need to add dove tails to a few of my Fox and Rockshocks factory shaft clamps. Some of these won’t work to machine the dovetails into. On others I think it will simply just be easier to add them on VS machine then into.

So I machined some dovetails into some extra brass stock.

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I’m going to use a bone saw AKA a slitting saw to cut the dovetail from the stock material.
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Slitting saws scare me. From this pic I’m sure you can’t imagine why..
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However it’s an efficient way to remove material and you get a pretty good quality finish too.
Here the dovetail has been removed from the stock
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I then use the skirting saw to cut the flange from the factory shaft clamps.
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I’ll save the drops in case I find a use for them latter. I keep all of my scraps, all thread , rods etc organized by size in old safe deposit boxes.
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The arbor for the slitting saw tightened its self stupid tight while cutting. My new copper soft jaws where great for loosening it.
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I then milled the edges of the factory clamps smooth as possible since they are a sliding portion of the dovetail system. Btw my new vise handle on the mill sure speeds things up !
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I colored the brass dovetail sections with red sharpie then used a scribe against the shaft clamp to score a line at the precise length needed.
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The scribe line was great to get the hacksaw cut started. I then finished each cut with a file to get it to exact size.
 
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The dovetail pieces then need to get through drilled with a 3mm drill then countersunk. Since I’m going to use metric fasteners the countersink is a 90 degree angle . I’m using my small abrecht chuck for this. It grips these small drills way better.
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I used the fine quill feed to make sure I don’t snap the 3mm bit.

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The shaft clamps then get blind drilled and tapped. With these small taps using a tap guide in the quill is essential.
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Notice how the spiral flutter bottom cutting tap pulls the chips up out of the hole. Thus not only helps prevent the tiny tap from breaking but also allows it to cut better
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A little green thread locker and I can assemble the dovetails to the shaft clamps. Here I’m setting up the brass rockshock reverb clamps.
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This is a Fox factory clamp with the dovetail added.
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Notice how the ball detents I added perfectly align the shaft clamps to the edge of the vise. The guide pins in the shaft clamps further ensure the close square to the shaft.
 
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I picked up this digital Milton inflator years ago. I love it. It’s dead accurate

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Plus it uses interchangeable inflator heads such as Presta and Schrader

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The problem is storing the heads as I always seem to be using different ones. So plan is to make a storage rack for them using some scrape aluminum bar and some Milton air couplings
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The air couplings use a ¼”NPT thread. Since pipe threads are tapered you can’t just drill and tap, you need to also use a tappered pipe reamer.
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First I drill the clearance hole.
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I then ream the hole so it is tapered to match the pipe thread. Notice how I’m using a tap guide and downward pressure from the quil to aid in cutting.
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The hole can then be tapped. I then repeat for all of the holes.
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Machine jacks allowed me to clamp the center of the bar and then machine all of the holes without having to reclamp.
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I then decided to give it an engine turned finish. A small piece of cratex abrasive in a drill chuck worked great. One full rotation of the x feed handle for each downward press of the quill. Sounds like a lot of work but it went really fast!
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All ready for the Milton M type connectors.
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A standard ¾ wrench was too thick so my 18mm Snapon low torque got the job done.
 
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Some days are better than others.

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I was notified this morning that I won the action category of Outside magazines photo contest
To capture this shot we started ski touring a few hours before dawn and crossed our fingers we would be created to an amazing sunrise as the previous nights storm pushed out. So it’s really nice to see the hard work pay off

Then I just so happened to see a 40” wide 14. Drawer Lista cabinet pop up for sale for a reasonable price. So I drove down to Lynwood this evening to pick it up.
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It basically took up the entire bed of my Super Duty. I also sold my Anvil this week along with my old vise and welding table a little while ago. Ended up making enough on that set of deals to end up with my Wilton 3C for not only no money into it, but cash positive enough to pay for the Lista too. Can’t complain about that!
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The plan is to put it where my old Craftsman stack is. I bought the Craftsman stack back in Highschool and it’s served me well and is still in great shape but I need more tool storage. So most likely will end up selling it off. Not sure where to move the Baldor too. Thinking I need some sort of mobile base for it. It makes such a damn mess I’d prefer to run it outside if I can find a good way to easily roll it in and out of the shop.
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Case in point. Dust from the Baldor is all over the area behind it.
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The back of the tool chest is filthy from the buffer dust! I cleaned it and the wall up. Also wiped down the wood cabinet. It will have to get moved higher up the wall. At somepoint I need to build new cabinets better suited to my storage time, but I have too many projects going on right now as it is!
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I had secured the buffer to the floor with wedge anchors so it didn’t walk while I was using it.
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I must have over tightened this one when I installed it. It pulled up the concrete.
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Knowing more now, next time I would have used wedge nuts and not wedge anchor bolts. I need to grind the remaining ones off. Hopefully I can get the new Lista moved into place tomorrow or the next day. Then I need to figure out how I’m going to redo my tool storage layout.
 

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Was that pull through from over tightening or the hole not being deep enough? Pic can be deceiving but that anchor looks kind of shallow.
 

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I was facing the same dilemma about the mess my buffer made. Here is my solution, I’m sure you’ll do something vastly more elegant!
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A high school friend of mine makes roadside billboard signs, the monster ones 60 feet high you can see for miles! So I got a 1 1/2” x 24” round drop from a sign base and welded it to a cheap two wheel cart, then bolted my Baldor stand to the drop. Ran a piece of 1x2 steel tube as a brace to the handle to stop flex and it’s a handy place to wrap the cord. When I want to make a big mess shining something up I just roll it out the door and start buffing. Works great, coulda used some bigger wheels to make moving it easier, but it’s been like this for over 25 years! Now I’m just gonna sit back and take the shame of how I should have done it if I wasn’t such a hack!
 
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I was facing the same dilemma about the mess my buffer made. Here is my solution, I’m sure you’ll do something vastly more elegant!
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A high school friend of mine makes roadside billboard signs, the monster ones 60 feet high you can see for miles! So I got a 1 1/2” x 24” round drop from a sign base and welded it to a cheap two wheel cart, then bolted my Baldor stand to the drop. Ran a piece of 1x2 steel tube as a brace to the handle to stop flex and it’s a handy place to wrap the cord. When I want to make a big mess shining something up I just roll it out the door and start buffing. Works great, coulda used some bigger wheels to make moving it easier, but it’s been like this for over 25 years! Now I’m just gonna sit back and take the shame of how I should have done it if I wasn’t such a hack!
That’s exactly along the lines of what I’ve been thinking! Well done.
 

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The only thing I really wish I had done differently was how I welded the two wheel cart to the round drop. Because I just laid the plate on top of the cart foot/shoe (what is that actually called?!) and welded it together, the plate doesn’t sit flush on the ground. It doesn’t wobble or rock while in use, it’s just that I did it down and dirty to start using it immediately. I should have trimmed the shoe to fit the plate or welded the uprights directly to the plate eliminating the shoe. But it works! I‘m excited to see your interpretation of my hack job and seeing what color you paint it, Baldor gray or that amazing blue you seem fond of!
 

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To finish his education in power mechanics for the day I took him to see the monster trucks.
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Ponied up for the monster truck ride for him too. Ws worth every cent of the $10 to see how excited he was.
As a halloween aficionado I like your boy's shirt!

The second pick I had to scroll back because I thought he was growing a mustache. Made me laugh.

Man you are doing some killer stuff in your shop. The vice turned out great and it was fun to follow along. (y)
 
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As a halloween aficionado I like your boy's shirt!

The second pick I had to scroll back because I thought he was growing a mustache. Made me laugh.

Man you are doing some killer stuff in your shop. The vice turned out great and it was fun to follow along. (y)
Thanks! He’s only 6, but I have a feeling it’s going to feel like a blink of an eye and he will have facial hair!

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Found out this am that I landed the cover of Ski Canada’s buyers guide.
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Unloaded the Lista. It’s big!
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The only major issue is the forklift feet are bent. I hate those anyways as they just allow **** to end up in the black hole under the cabinet.
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A ratchet wrench made quick work of removing the two bolts holding each foot on.
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That’s better. I should look and see if I can remove those damn feet from my vidmars too
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I then slid the cabinet into position
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I removed the locking tabs for the drawer slides so that I could change the order.
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Thinking I want one of the deeper drawers on top to hold my PPE supplies
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We will see if I keep to that plan once I get the drawer layouts dialed in.
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I gave all of the drawer slides a liberal coating of Super Lube.
 
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Same with the drawer edges. Should keep everything feeling smooth.
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I then dropped in a foam insert from one of the Craftsman drawers. I think I might be able just about combine two craftsmen drawers into one of the Listas….
This is when I realized the blue on this Lista doesn’t match the blue on my other ones…. After done thought I decided that was going to drive me nuts.
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I dragged the cabinet out to the driveway and used a screwdriver to remove the plastic end caps from the handles.
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I then tried to remove the aluminum handle trim but quickly decided tgat was a major pain in the ***. So I just taped it all. I then gave the cabinet a quick sand with 1k grit paper.
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Two coats of black sealer followed by 3 color coats and the two coats of a 3k polyurethane. After a few hours dry time. I pulled the rake tonight and reinstalled the plastic edge pieces. Will hopefully get it moved back into the garage tomorrow.

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It’s the same color to match the large and the Wilton Vise. At somepoint I’ll paint both of my 16 drawer Listas but that’s a big project to undertake since they are full!
 

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Thatwas my first thought, but when you said "I landed", made me second guess myself, especially with the hat down covering the face, for anonymity.

Should have known there are never any good pictures of the photographers themselves... 😁
 
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it really cooled off last night. Woke up to a bunch of condensation on the Lista. Not ideal for new paint.
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Got it moved into place. When empty it’s not horrible to slide it on the concrete
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Then install the drawer suspension. Those alone are heavier duty then any Snapon drawer.
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I then installed the drawers. Starting to look better
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Since I’m not going to ever lock it, I removed the bar between the lock and the back of cabinet mechanism

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I need to get the wood cabinet Re hung. But need to modify it first.
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I use French cleats when hanging cabinets so need to relocate it on the cabinet I am moving up.
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I used my impact driver to zip out the pocket screws holding the French cleat to the cabinet
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I then placed it in the wall to measure the correct height.
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Then used a red marker to mark its new height on the cabinet.
 
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I relocated the French cleat and the backer board. Then used my Festool Vecturo to notch the side of the cabinet
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Not perfect, but you will never see it.
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Got the cabinet hung back up and used some structural screws to lock it in place. Then cleaned up the front of the shop and reorganized the wood cabinets.
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My original plan was to sell the craftsman stack as it’s where I planned on the Monarch 10ee residing. I decided to move the craftsman stack there at least until I get the Lista dialed in. Besides with my on going divorce I very well may sell the house after and build a custom place…
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Testing the drawer layout. Trying to decide what’s the most efficient way to set up the Lista for my workflow and ideally combine some drawers.
 

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I relocated the French cleat and the backer board. Then used my Festool Vecturo to notch the side of the cabinet
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Not perfect, but you will never see it.
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Got the cabinet hung back up and used some structural screws to lock it in place. Then cleaned up the front of the shop and reorganized the wood cabinets.
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My original plan was to sell the craftsman stack as it’s where I planned on the Monarch 10ee residing. I decided to move the craftsman stack there at least until I get the Lista dialed in. Besides with my on going divorce I very well may sell the house after and build a custom place…
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Testing the drawer layout. Trying to decide what’s the most efficient way to set up the Lista for my workflow and ideally combine some drawers.
Congrats on the mag cover. As usual, you Lista turned out fantastic. As an infrequent follower I'm sorry to hear about your ongoing divorce.
 
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Congrats on the mag cover. As usual, you Lista turned out fantastic. As an infrequent follower I'm sorry to hear about your ongoing divorce.
Thanks. I’m so ready to be done with the divorce stuff. It’s very frustrating at least in this state that the child custody doesn’t default to 50/60 like the Finace portion of it does.
 

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As said above, congratulations on the cover and well done on the Lista! Definite cabinet envy here. I can tell you though since you mentioned it, the pallet feet are not easily removable from the Vidmar cabinets. I've done it, but they're spot welded on the bottom as well as stitch welded on the sides.
 
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As said above, congratulations on the cover and well done on the Lista! Definite cabinet envy here. I can tell you though since you mentioned it, the pallet feet are not easily removable from the Vidmar cabinets. I've done it, but they're spot welded on the bottom as well as stitch welded on the sides.
Yeah I noticed that when I looked at them last night. Thinking once I get the lathe parts off of the cabinet saw I’ll just cut a toe kick board for them. Lots of projects on the to do list and so little time it seems.
 
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My lady friend and I took the kids biking at Sun Peaks for the weekend. It’s a great family friendly bike park.
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They had a blast!
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My other AXS reverb finally needed a rebuild. First time I’ve really had a reassign to use my new interchangeable dove tail jaws that I made. The post requires the urethane shaft clamps, the copper soft jaws and the Rock Shocks factory shaft clamps to service it. If I ever find a nice used boring head I’ll make a dedicated shaft clamp for the post so I don’t need to use the urethane jaws but that’s low on the priority list

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The post head was damn tight from the factory. I had to clamp it using the copper jaws
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Then use a strap wrench to get it loose
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Here you can see the dove tail I added to the Rock Shocks factory shaft clamps. Also see the counter bore for the ball detent. This aligns the shaft clamps in the vise
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Works like a dream. Especially when on a typical suspension or post rebuild you are often needing to switch between the multiple jaw types several times over the course of the rebuild.
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Here you can see how the copper jaws grip the top of the post so I can torque the top nut.

Other than having to retrieve a stuck down internal floating piston from the post it was a straightforward rebuild. The AXS posts are a dream to service compared to the original Reverbs!
 
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My dad came up to visit for the weekend. I must say it’s a bit tough to see his health and strength decline so fast once he turned 80. However it was really cool to get to play in the shop with him and my 6 year old son Stian. Decided we would build a wooden truck together. Here he is helping Stian with some clearance holes to screw the truck body together
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Stian repositioning the mill to drill the second hole
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Grandpa lining up the board to cut the wheels with a hole saw
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Stian was pretty excited about the wheels!
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It’s fun having my dad in the shop. He spent his career designing reactors for nuclear submarines and then was the head of engineering at Hanford’s B-Plant where he designed most of the processing equipment, so he’s always full of good ideas and suggestions for how to do things.
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With the on going custody battle with my divorce, it was really nice to just have some quality family time.
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Stian adding his special touch to the trucks art work.
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Being in 1 st grade Stians still working on his penmanship, but truth be told mines not much better. Pretty fun way to spend an hour working with Grandpa.
 
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Rode with my lady friend today. My fork started to top out really bad. Something is defiantly off. First things first I'll pull the lowers and then cycle the damper and see if there is an obvious issue.
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Right away, I ran into a problem with the spring side nut not wanting to release it just spun the shaft in the fork. Humm.... How am I going to get it out?
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I removed the top cap using one of my Abby fork sockets. I had the Park ones before, and these are light years better.
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On this fork, I am running the Push AC3 spring conversion. It uses an Air bottom out to ramp it up at the end. Exact opposite of the Vorspring Smashpot that I am running on the other bike and that I prefer over the Push for numerous reasons.
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The spring preload and the spring then pull straight out.
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I then used my Fox service tool to remove the damper from the lower. No luck on being able to pull the lowers down enough to get access to the bottom half of the spring shaft. So time to pull the fork from the bike.
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I pull the stem so I can drop the fork. I've been really happy with the Ti bolts that I have been running. After a few years they have held up great.
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I had to pull the fork, as the handle bars blocked access to pull the damper up and out. With the Damper out, I hand cycled it. Lots of Cavitation noise and it tops out pretty hard. It needs a full rebuild. I'll come back to that in a bit.
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I haven't pulled the fork from this bike since I built it a few years ago. I had recently switched over to exclusively using Ted-Gel for my carbon assemblies. So it was nice to see that It has held up very well, especially in the wet PNW.
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Bearings are still in surprisingly good shape. The lower is just starting to have one rough spot.
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Looking at the compression ring it has very even wear on it. Good sign of a nice tight head set. I'm sure I could get more life out of it, but since I got the fork out, I'm going to replace it.
 
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I'm using an app called Pro Bike Garage that links to my Strava for tracking maintenance on all of my bikes and componets. This fork now has 4701KM on it! May not sound like a lot to Moto heads, but thats a ton on a bike fork. Especially given the type of tech trails I like to ride. So its not surprising I need to do some heavy service.

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I clamped some UHMW into my vise, stuffed a paper towel into the fork, and then pressed down, while I attempted to unscrew the nut from the lower spring shaft. Notice the vise jaws on the bench. I'm in the process of figuring out new foam / layouts for the tool boxes.
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The damn compression washer is not wanting to come off!
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Ended up tapping the shaft out of it wiht a brass pin punch.
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I finally have the lowers off!
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A pick gets the lock ring off of the bottom of the uppers holding the lower spring shaft in.
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I really prefer the retaining rings that Sram uses over the Fox style.
 

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The lower spring shaft is now out. The lower bushing seems to have a lot of play in it.
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I heated the end with a torch to free up the lock tight.
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and then unscrewed the foot from it.
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That was an excessive amount of lock tight on it!
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Got the bushing off. I'll see if I can find a new inner bushing to press into it. Notice the nylon ring that acts as a bumper. It's missing one on the top out side, so I'll add one to it. So good news, no major damage to the spring assembly.
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A Pedro's DH tire lever is the best thing I have found for removing the dust wipers.
With the wipers out, I inspected the bushings for wear, and they looked great. I then installed the lowers onto the uppers with nothing else, to check for the bushing fit. Nice and tight and good glide, so the fork bushings are still in great shape!
 
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Time to crack open the Grip2 damper. First I need to pull the rebound shaft. I modified the Fox factory clamps to use my dovetail system. Sure is nice on a project like this where I need to switch back and forth a bunch.
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Thats a lot of very foamy oil. Clearly there is a seal issue. Granted the Grip2 is a semi sealed damper (self bleeding) unlike the totally sealed damper of the Grip1 or Fit dampers. Seems like we are slowly going back to the days of open bath forks... just with better seals.
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Here is the rebound shaft pulled from the damper. The external adjustments for High/ Slow speed are on the Right. The assembly on the left is the valving.
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I then removed the compression side from the Damper tube.
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Thats the main guts out of my Fox 36.
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One of the hardest parts of servicing these, is getting the tiny retaining ring out of the top of the compression assembly. Best way I know of is to use a dental pic inserted into the hole in the side, to push the ring in, then use a second to lift it out.
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It's tiny!
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The inner adjusted gets turned fully CCW and lifted out.
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Followed by the needle valve.
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A 3mm hex, then removes the compression valving shim stack from the other end. You can tune the damper by changing the size / order of these shims.
 
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Its best to keep the shim stack in order, but if you do screw it up, Fox has the stack published on their site for the stock tune.
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Two dog point set screws hold the valve head on.
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I can then pull the rest of the compression system apart. Pretty simple.IMG_7640.jpeg
I noticed this bright spot on the shaft last time I rebuilt it. Its clearly pretty worn, so I think I'll replace the compression head with the new VCC version.
 
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Next, I need to pull the rebound shaft apart. The foot is held on by a single set screw, then it unscrews.
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Having a magnet under it to catch the spring loaded ball detent is a must. This is also why I try to keep a selection of loose ball bearings and springs on hand for the occasion when they fly across the shop.
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There is two shims under the foot.
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The adjuster shaft then pulls out.
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The black seal head can then slide off. It has a one way o-ring in it. So its important it gets reinstalled in the correct orientation once the o-ring is replaced.
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The rebound valve stack then unscrews. Unless you have a very fine Torque wrench and precision shim stock on hand, dont mess with this. It has to be very precisely recalibrated when re-asembled.
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Then the rebound adjuster needle comes out.
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And there is the major parts of the rebound portion. I need to pick up a seal kit tomorrow before I break it the rest of the way down.
 
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