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Nice set Patrick! I found my Auto-Cle set about a year ago in England. Contal & his design for this ratchet & set never get the credit it deserves. Contal was a brilliant guy & played a major contribution to the automobile industry as many followed in his footsteps after him to perfect the ratchet & sockets. The sockets in this set are never marked. The ratchet is so unique. It could be considered the "Father" of all ratchets that were meant for sockets. It's unmistakable when you see it. Nice to see the brass Auto-Cle badge on the box. These are next to impossible to find. I looked for years before I found mine.
Nice find my friend 😉
I was extremely happy to find it. I can’t wait to get it to the shop to compare it to the mossberg version
 
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Hinsdale sold that ratchet as well. The only difference I can tell is knurling on handles seems to vary. Anyone ever see a patent on one?
I did some digging on this very thing last night. Alloy artifacts has a section that is all of the tool patents from late 1800s up. It appears Hinsdales patent was first. It really makes you wonder who was building rachets for whom. I am starting to believe that what is now SK and Brazil were producing all the rachets. I think the patents were issued and production was farmed out. The majority of Duros patents were issued in the late 20s and early 30s. Hinsdales patent was earlier
 

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Anyone with information on this ratchet? It is a 37" long 1.5" drive reversible ratchet labeled "No. 2.0.S.B.B. Wrench" made by Lowell Wrench Co. out of Worcester, Massachusetts. It appears quite old but I am not sure how old so I apologize if it isn't an antique.
 

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Four.cycle, thank you for the welcoming and for the links to the wonderful resources. I greatly appreciate it! I have downloaded them to have on hand.
Hello DryonHugs and welcome to the site!
keep this link handy at all times
and this one

Lowell threads:
Lowell / Lowell Wrench Co., 54 Commercial St., Worcester MA / see Lowell Corp. / "IXL" track drill / patent 166553 Aug 10 1875 Leonard L. Pollard & 1798194 Mar 31 1931 John H. Dodge / https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/lowell-wrench-co-worcester-mass-1.319549/ /

Lowell Wrench at International Tool Catalog Library
 

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It looks like one of those supplied with car screw jacks for wheel changing.
I kind of thought that also for awhile. But the Hex drive made me wonder, I have never seen a Hex on a jack operating shaft. That, of course, does not mean they do not exist.
 

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Here is a unique one. Keystone truely reversible buggy rachet. The knob or lever on the back is the reverse. Smooth as silk.
 

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I posted this over in another ratchet thread too just trying to find out anything at this point. I need some help with this one guys. When I saw this, I had to get it. It's a 9 tooth 1" drive ratchet made by a R&B Co in what looks like Kansas City Missouri. This thing is an absolute beast weighing in at around 20lbs. The handle is 1 1/4" steel & is 28" long. The action & lever operation is smooth. It was filthy & covered in a layer of grime & rust. It surprisingly cleaned up good. I can't find anything online about R&B Co in Kansas City. I only seen vague references to a R&B Co in Google Books search, but no tool references. I'm guessing it was used on the railroad or bridges because of it's size. You can see how big it is compared to a 3/8, 1/2 & 3/4 in. drives. Anyone have any thoughts, ideas or what era this is from??
 

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I posted this over in another ratchet thread too just trying to find out anything at this point. I need some help with this one guys. When I saw this, I had to get it. It's a 9 tooth 1" drive ratchet made by a R&B Co in what looks like Kansas City Missouri. This thing is an absolute beast weighing in at around 20lbs. The handle is 1 1/4" steel & is 28" long. The action & lever operation is smooth. It was filthy & covered in a layer of grime & rust. It surprisingly cleaned up good. I can't find anything online about R&B Co in Kansas City. I only seen vague references to a R&B Co in Google Books search, but no tool references. I'm guessing it was used on the railroad or bridges because of it's size. You can see how big it is compared to a 3/8, 1/2 & 3/4 in. drives. Anyone have any thoughts, ideas or what era this is from??
R&B Railroad. Man that really did clean up nice
 
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R&B Railroad. Man that really did clean up nice
Thanks. I just read the Rutland & Burlington Railroad changed it's name from Rutland & Burlington Railroad to just Rutland Railroad in 1867. So, could this ratchet date to the era of R&B railroad in the 1860's?
 

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I don’t think it’s that old but who knows. If I were a guessing man, which I am I would say 1800s but more in the mid to later 1880 to 1900
 
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I don’t think it’s that old but who knows. If I were a guessing man, which I am I would say 1800s but more in the mid to later 1880 to 1900
The design definitely reminds me of ratchets from the 1880's or so. A clue might be I noticed it doesn't have a ball detent on the stud. When did the ball detent first appear on ratchets? Or, at what time did the older "female only" ratchets first have a male stud?
 
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I don’t think it’s that old but who knows. If I were a guessing man, which I am I would say 1800s but more in the mid to later 1880 to 1900
The more I think about it, common sense tells me the male stud end is for sockets. Big broached sockets didn't come out until the 1920's. I think Blackhawk made the first broached 3/4" sockets around 1924-25. Not sure about 1" though. I didn't think there were ratchets in the late 1800's with a male end because there wasn't sockets as we know them yet. Or I could be wrong. Maybe there was ratchets from that era with a stud made for a special purpose. The confusing part is, if this ratchet was just a female ratchet, it's design, look & construction looks just like those ratchets from 1880-1900.

Also, I found out from the Rutland Railroad Historical Society that usually their mark or stampings would have been like R&BRR or something indicating the Railroad, not just R&B Co. Which totally makes sense. I have a lot of other Railroad tools & there is usually always an RR or something specifying the Railroad. Plus, R & B Railroad ran through the New England area going through New York & Vermont. No we're close to Kansas City.

So, it looks like I'm back to square one with who the heck is R&B Co. in Kansas City Missouri?
 
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The more I think about it, common sense tells me the male stud end is for sockets. Big broached sockets didn't come out until the 1920's. I think Blackhawk made the first broached 3/4" sockets around 1924-25. Not sure about 1" though. I didn't think there were ratchets in the late 1800's with a male end because there wasn't sockets as we know them yet. Or I could be wrong. Maybe there was ratchets from that era with a stud made for a special purpose. The confusing part is, if this ratchet was just a female ratchet, it's design, look & construction looks just like those ratchets from 1880-1900.

Also, I found out from the Rutland Railroad Historical Society that usually their mark or stampings would have been like R&BRR or something indicating the Railroad, not just R&B Co. Which totally makes sense. I have a lot of other Railroad tools & there is usually always an RR or something specifying the Railroad. Plus, R & B Railroad ran through the New England area going through New York & Vermont. No we're close to Kansas City.

So, it looks like I'm back to square one with who the heck is R&B Co. in Kansas City Missouri?
I think you are correct. Nice rachet though
 

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My $.02, FWIW, is that ratchet is for some kind of early industrial or construction application, not sockets, not automotive, not even large trucks. The length of the handle suggests extreme leverage. The robustness suggests a heavy load, not just turning a large nut. Even the paw suggests more than just a direction switch. It looks like a safety mechanism as well, preventing it from reversing under load. Maybe cranking of some kind. I would say drilling, but neither end looks like any type of fitting for any early ratchet-drill I am familiar with.

If I am reading you literally, you said you searched on "R&B Co", but it's not marked that way. It's marked "R.B. Co." Did you search that?
 
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My $.02, FWIW, is that ratchet is for some kind of early industrial or construction application, not sockets, not automotive, not even large trucks. The length of the handle suggests extreme leverage. The robustness suggests a heavy load, not just turning a large nut. Even the paw suggests more than just a direction switch. It looks like a safety mechanism as well, preventing it from reversing under load. Maybe cranking of some kind. I would say drilling, but neither end looks like any type of fitting for any early ratchet-drill I am familiar with.
It's funny you mention cranking. I ran across an article from the Railroad Gazette written in 1888. It describes a new method of adding power to train car propulsion by somehow using a cable connected to all the train car axles. The power of the locomotive is now transferred to all the car axles putting everything into motion at the same time. They called it the centipede system. If I'm understanding this article correctly, the special tool used in this process was a "ratchet." I'm only guessing you would use the ratchet to crank the axle cable tight, which I suppose would require a heavy duty ratchet. Found this article on Google Books while searching for R&B Co information. Does any of this make sense to anyone? Maybe this ratchet could have been used for this cable process?
 

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I am not 100% convinced, but this is worth checking out...
 

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I am not 100% convinced, but this is worth checking out...
By golly Lugz, I believe the mystery is solved. I searched R&B Co every way possible except R.B. Co. The Google Books search is obviously very type sensitive. I see the one add you posted describing the use of a ratchet, so this has to be it. Pretty interesting setup on how to load & unload a heavy load on a truck. Now I'll be on Google Books all evening checking this out. Another ratchet mystery solved. Thanks! Appreciate the help.
 

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That was from a couple different articles, both in the 1919-1923 range.

Here is one.

But I highly suggest you search Google Books on the term "Roller Bolsters Company Kansas City". Many ads and articles, including the history. You will enjoy reading about it. The company was an offshoot of a lumber company. They invented the loading/unloading system for themselves, for their own use. But it was so popular and so in demand the lumber company started a second company just to make and sell them commercially.
 
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That was from a couple different articles, both in the 1919-1923 range.

Here is one.

But I highly suggest you search Google Books on the term "Roller Bolsters Company Kansas City". Many ads and articles, including the history. You will enjoy reading about it. The company was an offshoot of a lumber company. They invented the loading/unloading system for themselves, for their own use. But it was so popular and so in demand the lumber company started a second company just to make and sell them commercially.
Quite interesting for sure. It would be neat to figure out who made the ratchet for them. But that might be difficult to figure out. The ratchet is a no. 27 with a J427 & the initials GG forged into it. But yes, I will enjoy reading up on this. I'm interested to find out how long they actually sold this setup too. Cool invention from a lumber company.
 
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As always, Lugz is a step or two ahead of me. Or 3 hours if he’s home.

I too found Roller Bolster company, realizing there was no &, and no RR on your tool.



This is the search to get you there, quotations are important. It ignores the punctuation

I appreciate all the help guys. Found another ad stating the Roller Bolsters could handle up to 10 tons. No wonder the ratchet is so heavy duty.
 

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Looks like the ratchet fits on the post sticking out of the end of the end roller on the passenger side.
 

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Here is one for you sleuths. Nothing much to go on but PAT. PEND. :LOL:

1/2” hex drive
20 tooth
5-3/4” long

AND

5/16” square drive, with some sort of spring clip inside :headscrat

Came off Ebay last year with assorted hex drive sockets of different brands. Funny thing is I swear I ran into one somewhere years back. The toggle switch seems very familiar. There aren’t many ratchets I haven’t seen, and this has me stumped!

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Here is one for you sleuths. Nothing much to go on but PAT. PEND. :LOL:

1/2” hex drive
20 tooth
5-3/4” long

AND

5/16” square drive, with some sort of spring clip inside :headscrat

Came off Ebay last year with assorted hex drive sockets of different brands. Funny thing is I swear I ran into one somewhere years back. The toggle switch seems very familiar. There aren’t many ratchets I haven’t seen, and this has me stumped!

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Reminds me of Mossberg with the two part construction & the screw in the handle.
 

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That is just a bizarre combination of features. Extremely short OAL for its male drive size, not so much for its female drive size. Also, while the pressed steel construction smacks of early, the tubular handle on the end doesn't, and neither does the skinny pear shape of the head or the extremely low profile around the drive mechanism.

Edit: Looks a little Bog-gy to me.
 
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I found a pic of this gentleman unloading a big load of lumber off a truck using the R.B. Co. ratchet to crank the roller bolsters.
 

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I just recently acquired this early New Britain socket set. The metal box is in good shape & the set seems to be complete. All the sockets & tools are stamped Made In USA. I believe this is the earliest NB ratchet. The 1 or 2 socket sets before this one was a small hex set. This set is early (pre 1938) because the t-handle is female. I noticed on the inside of the box lid below the logo is the socket set number 522F. I seen that AA lists a 536W socket set on their website. Completely different set than mine. I've not done an extensive search yet, but so far I can't find any information on the no. 522 set online?? Anyone know anything about this set?
 

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That's a funny coincidence, in that I've been meaning to post my ratchet like that. Mine just says PAT APD FOR though, with no brand name.
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It does have two patent dates stamped in the handle, June 24, 19 and March 1, 21. Sometimes there is a brand stamped over those dates, but not on mine.

Searching the forum showed a couple in the ratchet collection thread, but not like that one, or just like this one.

I like the way they staked the screws so the dent lines up with the slot in the screw head. They also staked the 'retaining ring' on mine. The holes in that ring go all the way through it and provide nice access for oiling. Mine was brown, dirty and stiff when I got it, but very smooth now.

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The patent drawing shows that it's a triple pawl ratchet and spinning it slowly it makes a neat little click-click-click -- click-click-click sound.

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The only other patent issued to Anthony M. Cunha is for an attachable handle to fit this ratchet, turning it into a T-handle. Imagine how fun it'd be to come across one of those in the wild!

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I pulled mine out of the Habitat scrap bin last week. I'm glad it was still on top of the pile. (dummies).


Here's a link to some of the Peerless discussion in the other ratchet thread.


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Anyone know anything about these? They're hex drive rather than square drive.
 

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