This. "Hey I bought vintage Snaponprontocraftsman wrench made in USA in the 50's so no I will never use it!"
The HF 20% off coupon pulls through again, woo hoo!
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This. "Hey I bought vintage Snaponprontocraftsman wrench made in USA in the 50's so no I will never use it!"
diggerrick
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Yup, sure is...I'd like to more pictures of your trailer to see how much better constructed it is than my cheapie HF trailer.
The black ones they sell at Menards for almost three times what I paid for mine are built better, but not 3X better to my eye.
5mall5nail5
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Yep. Collectors. I like US stuff as much as the next guy and I have expensive taste, but when a pair of old US vintage cman pliers for $35 have more gap than a chinese $2.99 BOGO special... its just comical.
Like I said - it was funny for a few times but now its just old and a waste of peoples time - I actually came in looking to see what someone picked up and was enjoying. My $150 HF bead blast cabinet has made me more money than my $2500 TIG welder. Not everything *****.
Still funny... Watching you guys squirm and trying to show relation between a sandblaster and tig welder is a added bonus...
Good stuff..
O_M_Jeep
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Not as funny as watching the delusion that there is a connection between US made and quality despite over 100 years of evidence to the contrary.
But to quote previous posters and fans of Mickey - we need moar of these treads ! ! ! !
Boo Ya
lmao
NC-Fordguy
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I like the vintage crafty wrench holders.
Don't recall seeing those 'till joining this web-site. When did sears offer these?
Don't recall seeing those 'till joining this web-site. When did sears offer these?
I'm not sure what your getting at... I've never made any such statements claiming that you can't find "Quality" products made off shore.. Nor have I ever give a opinion on a product based on Coo, regardless of where it was derived. With that said... I don't feel the need to defend imported goods... Or bash anyone else's choice.
Sorry...
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Can't help you on the date, but I'm kicking myself for not buying the one that hit the classifieds <6 mos ago. If I was guessing... 60's-70's, it's amazing how much of that stuff is still around in Mickeyland (Chicago area).
burnin53
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O_M_Jeep
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What makes you think this is "my country"?
I see fat union workers who refuse to do the job right everyday because they arent being paid the extra 2 minutes to make sure they produce quality
I see european and asian factories that routinely use machinery at or over 100 years old every day.
Wait a Minute... Are you under the "delusion" that there is a connection between the union workers "You see refusing to do the job right because they arent being paid the extra 2 minutes to make sure they produce quality" and all Union employees?
That's some hypocritical **** man... Of course only based off your earlier posts.
I'm just spitballing... But the way I see it is you can find poor examples of quality throughout the world, don't get me wrong... I'm rooting for the Home team, sorry if that offends anyone here.
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burnin53
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I'm well aware Europe makes quality tools,but this thread is about harbor freight,so,how about pics of those quality tools china has been producing for 100 years?
And does china have factories and machinery over 100 years old? Unlikely,not if it was built by them.
5mall5nail5
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Squirm? Am I supposed to be inferior than you? I actually use my tools and don't raid yard sales to try and find old relics to put in my closet. Should I feel bad about myself because I have HF stuff mixed in my assortment? I am not sure if you're trying to belittle me or what.
Wow... Why on earth would I care what you "have" in your tool box? Or where you bought it? I was just trying to figure out your correlation between a tig welder and a blast cabinet.
Exceller8
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I still don't know why these idiotic threads are allowed here. It brings the whole place down. There are so many great people here that have knowledge to share or want to learn and enjoy this forum and then there's a few fools who need attention and find it funny to pull the same **** over and over. 
I still don't know why these idiotic threads are allowed here. It brings the whole place down. There are so many great people here that have knowledge to share or want to learn and enjoy this forum and then there's a few fools who need attention and find it funny to pull the same **** over and over.
Speak for yourself... There are plenty of us who enjoy reading about "old school" tools, they turn idiotic when the people who "Aren't" interested in the actual tools decide to crash the party. Maybe you guys should invest in the "ignore member" function..
Is someone forcing you to read these threads?
rslaback
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I'm guessing his beef isn't with the actual posting of the tool purchase but the Harbor Freight bashing method of posting. That is what he feels is bringing the place down. We all have different definitions of valuable tools and Mickey posts his purchases in such a way as to intentionally rile up the users on this board who purchase Harbor Freight Tools.
Exceller8
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Great real! Is that all you have to say? You said the same thing the last time this type of thread was posted. I for one love old quality American made tools as much as the next person but to go out of your way to knock HF again and again is just stupid! If you get enjoyment out of foolish **** like that then why are you here?
This forum could be even better than it already is with a few simple changes. Anyway, Have a great weekend!!
After 3 years I've came to the conclusion that people just like to argue, I along with others find these threads mildly amusing. If your getting "Riled" up over these threads you are wound up too tight. Geez... I shop at Hf but don't feel the need to defend the brand or myself.
Great real! Is that all you have to say? You said the same thing the last time this type of thread was posted. I for one love old quality American made tools as much as the next person but to go out of your way to knock HF again and again is just stupid! If you get enjoyment out of foolish **** like that then why are you here?
This forum could be even better than it already is with a few simple changes. Anyway, Have a great weekend!!
I'm here because I've invested more time than you ever know into this place.. This is probably the #1 hydraulic jack "self help" site on the web simply because the membership takes the time to pay it forward. Other than that I don't have justify anything to you...
Again.. I in no way shape or form see these titles/short stories as anything that demands the kind of attention/defend your moms name type behavior.
Lighten up guys...
Exceller8
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Let me say this another way... MickeyO is spitting in the face of anyone who doesn't agree with him. Over and over again!! I'm only a 2012 guy as I was so kindly told, but I was sick of Mr. O and his B.S. after day one. The same tune over and over and over. I knew where he stood on his opinion of HF after day one and so does everyone else. Why keep grinding it?
Exceller8
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As long as we agree with you then all is well? Hmm... I will again say that I'm on another forum that I've been on for 7 years with 17,000 posts, so what! I treat every single member with respect no matter how long they've been around.
I'm entitled to my opinion just like you are and I for one am sick of Mr.O and his B.S.!!!
Listen.. With all respect, Mickey isn't gonna change... He loves US made tools and his threads dictate that. Just like ireal life, your not gonna get along with everyone.. If it bothers you that much, just put a little check mark in the ignore member box. I have a feeling it will help... It's not fair to discriminate against him for his beliefs. It's not like its a surprise when you click on one of his threads.. Is it?
What?
Exceller8
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I see your point... I guess that is one reason that I get so pissed off is because I love American made tools just as much as MickeyO does and he tries to make people feel like S*hit if they buy something from HF. On most forums that would be baiting and that just isn't allowed.
lennoxlennox
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well i can't answer for mickeyO
but i can summize and tell you how i see things
these threads are purely tongue in cheek and he's having some "obvious" fun to the point of being absurd.... so anyone who comes into the posts to make a big argument about it, knowing what MickeyO is posting.... well... clearly they have some issues
but more importantly... quite clearly there are several people on here... surprise surprise... myself included don't like the **** at HF or similar type of chinese garbage, i can understand why the home user buys that and good for them
the problem really stems from threads that are centric to professional tool brands and people having stated they are thinking of this or that, and out of the wood work... these HF cheerleaders come in and state how "overpriced, greedy, just the same as, blah blah blah" comments and tout the cheap **** as a better alternative
it's like WTF
The person in the thread didn't ask, want or look for your opinion on why YOU THINK HF is a better option, then the thread gets out of hand in this back and forth arguments with obstinate HF people totally derailing the thread
Why the F do you feel so compelled to spout your two cents worth in a thread that they didn't ask for a HF comparison???
I hate the HF ****... but I don't go into the 56" or 44" tool chest threads to tell them what a POS those boxes are... or any other scads of threads like that
and for reasons like that... i'm just guessing, because I know I am... people are sick of that ****
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Exceller8
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Please quote me where I compared any American made tool to a HF tool.
It comes from both sides here... There are just as many members who try to turn the page and make people who buy Snap on feel like They are drunk on kool-aid.. Wasting money blah... I say just buy what you want and live your own life.
Believe it or not, the Coo debates used to be much more extreme.. It's just not worth getting worked up over. Sadly i know from personal experience...
lennoxlennox
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did i say you did?
but you are in this farcical thread getting hot about it aren't you.
Exceller8
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That isn't right either. We're all here for the love of tools, gear, cars, etc... I do see your point on the Snap-On bashing as well.
Exceller8
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lennoxlennox
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Uh... you quoted me on your last post so I thought it was directed at me.
ya but the quote was asking why MickeyO does what he does
my first sentence replied to that
then I "summized" and "generalized" and didn't reference you
in my opinion... you should have a tequila shot, i'll join you... you are much to worked up
JerseyBoatBuilder
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I thought this was the most creative and funniest yet 
Exceller8
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Burtonrider10022
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I'm bored, so here's a new guys view on it:
It's easy to see that overall the main focus of this site is quality. Quality tools, quality garages, quality work, etc... That's excellent, I love that, and that's why I have been reading everything I can. However, it seems like a lot of "lower income" issues just get berated or ignored. I have as many tools as I can currently afford. I bought a USA Made Craftsman 205 Piece 'Mechanics Set" a few years back. The quality of that set is above and beyond my needs, and I'm satisfied that it will last a long time. Now, however, I inherited a 1993 Polaris waverunner. It's getting a new engine, and I need a few things, such as a stubby wrench to remove the carbs, and a flywheel puller. Those items from Snap-On or Craftsman would be 5-6 times the price of Harbor Freight. I don't intend to use them often or long term. I will most likely need them once, twice, or maybe even once a year at worst. So on my college budget Harbor Freight seems like the best option, but after reading threads like this it makes me feel like I should be "ashamed" of it. Focusing on the people who claim HF is as good or better than Snap-On or Craftsman is one thing, but I don't get the hate for HF owners in general. I own more quality tools than I do HF.
FYI, this doesn't apply just to HF vs. USA tools. I have been reading up on air compressors here, too. Every single thread about a small, pancake/torpedo/hot dog compressor just gets filled with "buy a 2 cycle", "220V or nothing", "oil-less is the devil". Well, guess what? I'm an enthusiast who has $100 to spend on a compressor. I use an impact gun once every six months, I have no intentions of sandblasting, painting, or inflating a hot air balloon with it, so I don't need 14,096 CFM. I ended up buying a "factory refurbished" Stanley Bostitch 6 Gallon Pancake, and I'm going to attach a larger reserve tank to it for the infrequent times that I need a little more air.
Actually, that brings me to another point... I plan on using a propane tank for an air reserve tank. A couple threads here have been started about it, all ending with no valuable help and just telling the OP to buy this or buy that. A propane tank is DOT rated around 300 PSI because LP expands so much in the heat, like sitting under the sun. Therefore, I think I'll be OK putting ~130psi into one. Rust, you say? Flip it over afterwards and let the water come out when you drain it.
Same goes for propane heaters. Every thread is riddled with "moisture", "rust", "moisture". Yeah, thanks, but I'm effing cold and that's more important to me. I don't have the extra amperage/voltage to run a gigantic heater, nor do I have the funds or gas line for a nice ceiling mounted unit.
I'm not criticizing, bitching, or even asking for anything. I just thought I'd add my input in a thread where no one asked for it. Just for summary, my main point was that it seems like some guys on here forget that there are people in this world who want to buy the best that they can afford. Sometimes, that might mean a HF tool and IMO, he shouldn't be judged for it. Instead, go judge all the lazy fucks who won't even pick up a tool and do an honest days work.
It's easy to see that overall the main focus of this site is quality. Quality tools, quality garages, quality work, etc... That's excellent, I love that, and that's why I have been reading everything I can. However, it seems like a lot of "lower income" issues just get berated or ignored. I have as many tools as I can currently afford. I bought a USA Made Craftsman 205 Piece 'Mechanics Set" a few years back. The quality of that set is above and beyond my needs, and I'm satisfied that it will last a long time. Now, however, I inherited a 1993 Polaris waverunner. It's getting a new engine, and I need a few things, such as a stubby wrench to remove the carbs, and a flywheel puller. Those items from Snap-On or Craftsman would be 5-6 times the price of Harbor Freight. I don't intend to use them often or long term. I will most likely need them once, twice, or maybe even once a year at worst. So on my college budget Harbor Freight seems like the best option, but after reading threads like this it makes me feel like I should be "ashamed" of it. Focusing on the people who claim HF is as good or better than Snap-On or Craftsman is one thing, but I don't get the hate for HF owners in general. I own more quality tools than I do HF.
FYI, this doesn't apply just to HF vs. USA tools. I have been reading up on air compressors here, too. Every single thread about a small, pancake/torpedo/hot dog compressor just gets filled with "buy a 2 cycle", "220V or nothing", "oil-less is the devil". Well, guess what? I'm an enthusiast who has $100 to spend on a compressor. I use an impact gun once every six months, I have no intentions of sandblasting, painting, or inflating a hot air balloon with it, so I don't need 14,096 CFM. I ended up buying a "factory refurbished" Stanley Bostitch 6 Gallon Pancake, and I'm going to attach a larger reserve tank to it for the infrequent times that I need a little more air.
Actually, that brings me to another point... I plan on using a propane tank for an air reserve tank. A couple threads here have been started about it, all ending with no valuable help and just telling the OP to buy this or buy that. A propane tank is DOT rated around 300 PSI because LP expands so much in the heat, like sitting under the sun. Therefore, I think I'll be OK putting ~130psi into one. Rust, you say? Flip it over afterwards and let the water come out when you drain it.
Same goes for propane heaters. Every thread is riddled with "moisture", "rust", "moisture". Yeah, thanks, but I'm effing cold and that's more important to me. I don't have the extra amperage/voltage to run a gigantic heater, nor do I have the funds or gas line for a nice ceiling mounted unit.
I'm not criticizing, bitching, or even asking for anything. I just thought I'd add my input in a thread where no one asked for it. Just for summary, my main point was that it seems like some guys on here forget that there are people in this world who want to buy the best that they can afford. Sometimes, that might mean a HF tool and IMO, he shouldn't be judged for it. Instead, go judge all the lazy fucks who won't even pick up a tool and do an honest days work.
O_M_Jeep
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'With all respect', Mickey doesnt make these threads because "he loves US tools", he makes them because he hates everything else, and his main intent is to share that hate, as long as he has the people who cheerlead for him he will continue to to post threads that are about his hatred.
Lennox, your not totaly wrong, you dont personaly come in to HF specific threads anymore, but your welcome to, anytime, speaking only for myself I would love to see you there, but it wouldnt do any good, on either side.
The big difference I see is that these threads bash HF, the HF threads, like you mentioned, dont bash the tool-trucks other than to say they are expensive, they are, truth is truth.
I use HF and Tekton tools at work in a real shop working on real trucks all day 5 days a week, I also use a very very small number of Craftsman, Stanley, Roadpro, Barjan and whatever tools I need, I also own one or two things from both the Matco truck, and two filter wrenches from the Snap-On truck, in 4 years of hobbyist wrenching and professional wrenching I have managed to break a single HF allen head socket (working on my Jeep, not a truck).
I spent as much as I could at HF and Amazon (free shipping comes more often than a truck) and thats why at least twice a day I'm asked if I have this tool or that, because they know I do, and not once has any of my 'cheap chinese garbage' been turned down or failed to preform the job at hand. I know that probably hurts your feelers, but tough ****, some chinese stuff IS tough **** and works better than the US tool no one within 1/2 mile owns.
JeremyManning
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There are a lot of good USA tools to be had on the used market for the same or better prices than HF you just have to shop around or look at the garage sale thread to see that.
Exceller8
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I love buying good used American made tools. Sometimes HF fits the bill as well.
bcradio
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Mickey, don't forget to post in the HF pass/fail thread that the 20% coupon is a pass and why. Other users may have been in the same spot as you were and could have used it had they known.
Where in this thread did I bash a HF tool? The answer is nowhere in this thread. What I do show what I found at local sales, illustrating what's out there and the fact that I prefer USA made tools (not a big secret) means that most if not all of what I will be showing will be USA made (although I did recently show some import tools I picked up recently because they were cheap) including some things that aren't all that common. I know that I very much enjoy seeing all the cool stuff others find and do it in the same spirit. And the discussions about the tools if it doesn't turn into a **** storm is great reference material. I know I've learned much about many different tools and brands here.
The titles of the threads are just a little lighthearted ironic sarcasm, only the newest of members wouldn't know otherwise, you or anyone else didn't open this thread expecting to see a pile of tools from HF in my garage. And if someone opened this thread expecting to see some HF they got a bonus, it'd be like going to pick up a free Yugo and it turns out to be a Hemi Cuda.
I don't think I'd use a propane tank as an "air reserve tank" or any tank that held something flammable, an old freon tank would be better, you get a spark inside a tank that has fumes it can be real nasty.