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Oldest known Parker Vise

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Hey Guys,
Who has a really old Parker Vise? The USA movement was around 1915. This is when manufactured goods began to say USA. Prior to that USA was not cast into many products. I think it would have to be before 1900. Anybody have one?
 
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Swan: that is one very cool vise and it has a swivel jaw too. do you use the swivel jaw version much and how does it work if you do?:thumbup:

I was thinking Parker was making vises back around the Civil War days, but don't know those as well as some of the other brands I use. if I remember correctly Parker vises have a company they copied their vise design from or bought out over in England, but not 100% on that either.
 

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Very nice Parker. They didn't change much; details evolved, but the shape remained.

I restored a Parker no. 172 dating to 1867.
FWIW, the patent date only confirms the product was produced after the patent was issued. The actual production date (months, years, decades later than the patent dates) often remains unknown.

jack vines
 

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I thought mine was kind of old because it didn't have he 1870's patent handle friction thing.
The online consensus was that it wasn't a big deal and probably from around 1900. So I drilled n tapped the hub, then installed a spring n a ball.
 

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That thread has over 13000 posts. Seems like Vises need their own forum category. :)

because most vise guys that might know the answer only view the vise thread. its on my toolbar favorites and most time only look at it many days in a row. good luck.
 

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The first Parker Vise patent was 6-20-1854, but just because that date is on it doesnt mean it is that old, it just means that vise was made using that patent. They didn't put date of manufacture stamps on any of them as far as I know. I think your search for the "oldest" one in existance is going to be quite futile unfortunately...

Take care!
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Thanks Zoom. Do you think that if it has the 6-20-1854 but not any of the 1867 patent dates, then perhaps manufactured between those dates? On the No. 172 with 4 dates, one patent is for a swivel base attachment (Dec 10 1867) which makes me think showing patents were prestige and advertising. But then, why would they not list the 1854 patent on the No. 172. I don't know.
 

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Thanks Zoom. Do you think that if it has the 6-20-1854 but not any of the 1867 patent dates, then perhaps manufactured between those dates? On the No. 172 with 4 dates, one patent is for a swivel base attachment (Dec 10 1867) which makes me think showing patents were prestige and advertising. But then, why would they not list the 1854 patent on the No. 172. I don't know.

I think thats a reasonable assumption, unless it was just an older style vise with no improved patented parts on it. In other words, they could have made the original design for decades without adding the later patents dates to the casting, i.e. no swivel base, no handle improvements, no collar improvements, so it has no reason to have the newer patent date on it since it has no newer patented parts... I think it's just a guessing game at that point... Sad but true.

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Parker started out making coffee mills. The famous Parker shotgun was also made by them.

"The Meriden Enterprise Center is a large manufacturing plant that is home to over 60 businesses, located in the center of Connecticut.

The plant was the former home of companies such as the Charles Parker company, known for the manufacture of the Springfield rifle and the development of one of the early repeating rifles in the mid- nineteenth century. Charles Parker was born in 1809 and rose from poverty to become one
of Connecticut’s leading industrialists. He also became the city of Meriden's first mayor. He started his manufacturing career inventing and producing coffee mills in a small shop in 1832.

By 1860, he owned several large factories and employed hundreds of people, in and around Meriden. Parker products included hardware and house wares, flatware, clocks, lamps, piano stools and benches, vises, coffee mills, industrial machinery, and, after 1862, guns. Guns, however, never
amounted to more than 10 percent of Parker’s business. Charles Parker died in 1901 and his descendants carried on his businesses until 1957. The Great Depression of the 1930s took its toll on the Parker enterprise and it never fully recovered. Parker products have now become “collector’s items,” especially the Parker shotguns. The Charles Parker Company sold its gun facility and the rights to the Parker gun
to Remington Arms Company in 1934, and Remington continued the Parker shotgun line until World War II.
The attraction by collectors to the Parker shotgun comes because of the gun’s inherent quality and beauty.
The Parker gun is an American classic".

ALSO:
http://www.thelampworks.com/lw_companies_parker.htm
 
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I restored a Parker no. 172 dating to 1867.


I passed on a nearly identical vise at the flea market last weekend. It didn't have the 3 hole mounting flange but the enlarged plate/through bolt and nut. I would of grabbed it but they wanted way too much, $100+, and it was missing a chunk of the casting where the rear bolt hole would be on yours.

You can tell they are early by the lettering in the castings but it would almost be impossible to actually date one unless you had an original purchase receipt to go with it.
 

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The vise looks great, I was hoping for some information on a vise I bought this morning. The vise has cast into it C Parker Co. Meridian Ct. on the opposite side of the jaw. model 000 Pat.May 28, Nov.26, Dec.10-17 1867. The jaws are 3' wide and it's a fixed base with a rectangular shaped slide. It's in great shape other than the paint's mostly gone but no rust, dings or dents, and everything moves freely. I've looked on the internet and cannot find anything referring to a model 000. Was hoping someone more versed in these things might have some info. about this vise. Thanks, Eric
 

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Eric: can you post a few pictures of your Parker and maybe somebody here will recognize it. i don't know if that is an actual # 000 or if that is part of the 1857 patent numbering.

sounds like a nice vise and you'll learn we all like good old vise pictures.
 

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Are you certain it has three 0's?, I have a 0000 (yes four 0's) Parker.

3-1/4" jaws (measured, classed 3") 23 lbs (fixed base)
Marked "Parker Co." on one side, and "Meridian CT." on the other plus "No. 0000".

No pat. dates or numbers.

Cataylize pegged it like this when I first got it:

That little fellow is mighty old. It is from the late 1890's to about 1915 in age. It is the forerunner of the machinist vise line from Parker. It is indeed a #0000 model vise.

This was the smallest of the new machinist line in a stationary model. The swivel base models had that old center bolt with handle that extended below the workbench surface.

Yours should have about 3 1/4" to maybe 3 1/2" jaw width ....weigh 23 pounds....and would have cost about $4.40 back in 1910. The others in the stationary line had numbers that were 0000, 100, 200, 300 etc. The swivel base models had a "2" in front of those numbers... 2000, 2100, 2200, 2300, etc. Hope this helps! Craig (Cataylze)
 

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I was poking around the interwebs and Google and found this old catalog from the 1890s. The link below explains why they feel the Parker vises are superior to other makes. Lots of other cool stuff in the catalog.
http://books.google.com/books?id=btsOAAAAYAAJ&dq=blacksmith%20catalog&pg=PA162#v=onepage&q&f=false
I do find it amazing that as much as the world has changed, no one had figured out a better vise is well over 100 years.

bad link..... can u fix it? most interested!
 

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Looks like I posted the pictures in another section and now I can't find it. I did post it over on Practical Machinist in the Vise Squad section , I'll repost it when I get home from work. Thanks for your help. Eric
 
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Thank you for finding it for me, I knew I put it somewhere, Sort of like losing my keys. Thanks again
 

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Ok here are the pictures. Thanks for your help.
 

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I dug up some info on both the 000 and 0000 - see attached. The 000 was the regular machinist vise with all the Parker technology. The 0000 was made without the special stuff and sold at a lower price to compete with the lower priced competition. The 0000 and others of this line were painted green to differentiate them from the regular Parkers.
 

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Ah haaa. Thanks b100.!
My 300 was from the economy line. Now I know why it didn't have the friction handle and that the original color was green.
Mystery solved.
 

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Thank you for the info, I was wondering about the 000 it seems like a pretty lackluster model number. I thought someone might have some good info. as to what it is. Thank you again Eric
 

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Ah haaa. Thanks b100.!
My 300 was from the economy line. Now I know why it didn't have the friction handle and that the original color was green.
Mystery solved.

Gany, What sort of green since you had original paint? forest? Lime? :wft:

I just sent my 0000 off to a buddy and he's going to restore it to original as he can.
 

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Gany, What sort of green since you had original paint? forest? Lime? :wft:

I just sent my 0000 off to a buddy and he's going to restore it to original as he can.

It was dark, like forest green. There might be a pic of it in the vise thread.
 

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While you're giving out great info what color was a 000 it was mentioned earlier it was a flat black is that your thought as well? Thanks
 

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Thanks Gany!

Most of the black vises seem to have been semi gloss black, I suspect from the stove black commonly used back in the day, The foundry's and Smith's just used what they knew.

Even O'l Henry Ford was agreeable to any color you wanted, as long as it was black...
 

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Anytime outlaw.
Looking at my baby Athol which is forest green id say the Parker was close but had a bit more olive in it. It was just as dark though if that makes sense.
 

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hey there i just joined the site i love old tool have many different kinds but i happen to have an old vise C Parker Meriden ct. pat june 20,1854 EXT'D. on one side other side reads pat. May.28 Nov.26, Dec,17, 1867 No.1
i dont know anything about it other than its in really good working condition has a chip out of the one side and handle is bent from over a hundred years of use im guessing! Would love to find out more about this vise and advise you had would be appreciated. Thank you
 

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hey there i just joined the site i love old tool have many different kinds but i happen to have an old vise C Parker Meriden ct. pat june 20,1854 EXT'D. on one side other side reads pat. May.28 Nov.26, Dec,17, 1867 No.1
i dont know anything about it other than its in really good working condition has a chip out of the one side and handle is bent from over a hundred years of use im guessing! Would love to find out more about this vise and advise you had would be appreciated. Thank you

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What in the name of all that is holy is that?!? I thought I'd seen everything here on garage journal, but that looks amazing!

Would you mind reposting to the main vise thread? A lot of guys use phone apps and only look at threads they subscribe to. There will be much interest in your vise. It can be found here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44782

Brian

Riley This is the Parker 82, pipe vise. It's related to my unicorn No 86. This 82 only has pipe jaws. The 86 has both pipe jaws and vise jaws. They can be interchanged or swiveled from either side.
 

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Top: nice to see you posting and I posted up a few pictures of your crane accident recently and was hoping you were still doing ok.

speaking of that vise that Riley posted Tink posted up a few pictures of it over on the big vise thread and Zoomie just posted one that doesn't have a name, but only the dynamic jaw swivels.

cheers

Tink: if you see this and want to post more pictures of your Parker on this thread please do!!
 
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