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Between 265 & 485 SQ/FT The 12-Gauge Garage

Workspaces sized between 265 and 485 squarefeet.

rlitman

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Jack, I think you are on to something with it being mold related rather than sun damage...

I'm sure that's 90% of it. The question is, how does it look after being cleaned, but before more stain is applied. That will show how much sun damage it has.

My thinking is, if the sun damage can be reduced, the annual task could just be the cleaning, and the stain could be touched up perhaps only every 5 years or more. And while cleaning is not a fun job (since you've got to put on gloves and move all the furniture around), it is still better than re-staining, which requires dry time and unfriendly odors, plus all of the above work to boot.

edit: Here's an idea:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Spray-Fo...and-Exterior-Surface-Cleaner-SF1G-J/202088618
 
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Found it. Post 2289. Carson Blue compliments "In the meadow" (which isn't quite tarragon).

It wasn't your post, but I still like the color for my new to me Rotary.
 

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Going back a few posts... I used twp 1500 on our cedar deck when I redid it in 2015 after some thorough reading. I wanted to the 100 series but due to the environmental regulations of massachusetts, I wasn't able to get it shipped to me. The 1500 is semitransparent, I wish it was a little more transparent, but you can still see grain through it.

Two years later, the front porch which is covered looks good. Color retention is excellent and I'll only need to touch up the edge of the steps from wear and exposure. The back deck, north east exposure, not covered, does grow some mildew and has held up ok. The portion that gets hit by the sprinklers definitely needs a recoat this summer. The more protected portions still look good.

FWIW, I sort of expect to treat a wood deck annually and am pretty happy how things are going so far.
 
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Thanks. I ordered the TWP 100 series before I learned it couldn't be shipped to California. But my vendor had already sent it by then, so that's what I'm using. (So much for the enforcement of our state's regulations.)

Here's a summary of what I did and what I learned.

I started out with the graying/blackening as bad as it's ever been. I suppose that's because we had such a wet winter here. But whether it's mold/mildew/fungus or tannins drawn out by the water, it was pretty ugly. On the table, you'll see the piece of wood I stained as a sample -- it will appear in a lot of these pictures.

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Here it is with the furniture removed. That circular pattern where my rug was is directly below one of the ceiling fans. I guess it's dust that has come down from the fan.

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It should be noted that the wood itself is as smooth as the day I put it in. It will probably last forever and wouldn't require any real maintenance if the cosmetic issues didn't bug me.

But they do.

I tried scrubbing the heck out of it with the Oxy-type cleaner that they sell for this, and -- even with my power washer for the assist -- the results were pretty terrible. I think the hardness of this Brazilian wood means that this kind of cleaning is a waste of time.

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Next up, the big guns came out. This is halfway through an application of Lye (or caustic -- it's the opposite of an acid). I used 6 oz of pure Sodium Hydroxide per gallon and wore a lot of protection. I used my dimestore pressure washer to take off the gooey layer of Lye and black stuff.

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Next up, I used my old stand-by, Oxalic acid. Also applied with a Hudson-type sprayer and then worked in with a brush. Like the Lye, the acid dissolves the black stuff pretty well. And it also neutralizes the Lye and 'brightens' the wood.

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But as nice as it looked wet, it dried out to a much flatter color. The important thing with this super-hard and dense wood is that you can throw chemicals at it and not have it eat into the soft part of the wood. This regimen would be terrible (I'm pretty sure) for traditional woods, or pressure treated soft woods, or even something like Oak or Mahogany.

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I let it dry for 48 hours and applied the stain: TWP 116, which is their 'rustic oak' color. I bought a few samples from them, and this was the shade I liked the most with my Cumaru hardwood.

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And here's a reminder of how far from that it had gone. That's the same sample piece as you see in the other pictures.

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Here it is with the furniture back in place. Next time, I might have to actually get out a sander. We'll see. I'll be interested in seeing how the midewcydes (and other cydes) in the TWP stain will keep this look going over the next 12 months.

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The whole thing took a few days, but wasn't super time-intensive. Applying the stain took 90 minutes, for example. The Lye and acid treatments took less than that. The scrubbing with Oxy cleaner took longer, but I won't be doing that again. The most time-intensive part of the process was letting the wood dry between treatments.
 

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Sure hoping I don't run into this same problem with the Penofin I used on my redwood planter boxes. They're only about 6 months old so I suppose only time will tell.

Deck looks great again - hopefully you won't have to put so much hard work into it next year.
 

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Jack, great write-up on bringing the deck back. This is what lots of folks don't see with these immaculate spaces. A lot of times folks look at something they have where the niceness has been worn and think, "how come mine can't look like that?" What they don't see is the time and annual upkeep. So, thank you for always showing us the honest side of your projects. I do appreciate that.
 

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Jack,

Excellent job as usual. If my wife were on GJ, I would have a honeydew lsit that included this procedure! My back deck cleans up really nicely with Bleach 10:1 and a scrub brush and a pressure washer. Its the spindles that drive me nuts. My deck was there when I purchased the house 24 years ago and I used to do the deck every other year. I have skipped the last few years actually 4 to be exact mainly because I was catching up on other projects thanks to Hurricane Sandy Damage.

This will be the year, I get the deck done. Thanks for the motivation.
 

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Hey Jack,

where did you get that patio furniture? wife is looking for something similar for ours!
the ones with the reddish/orangish seat covers that is
 
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Thanks, guys. We'll see how this new stain holds up.

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Conor, the furniture started off as very inexpensive off-the-shelf Lowe's stuff, but then I modified it quite a bit. I'm not sure that that's the best way to go, for anyone. But it's typical of me. It's aluminum furniture and the first thing I discovered I didn't like was the cushion set that came with it. So I had new cushions made, which cost about 3X what the furniture sold for. The aluminum pieces also had a flat 'bench' type surface underneath the cushions, which I cut out and replaced with cable and upholstery springs. I also changed the angle of the sofas by shortening their legs and changing their relative length,and recline angle, and I made the sitting/cushion area deeper by about five inches by bolting in extension pieces between the main bench and the back sections.

I will say that they're VERY comfortable now. And our cat clearly agrees. But it was a fair amount of work. It's possible that if I had just sprung for a little better quality up front, it would have gone quicker and cost me the same or even less. But I'm stubborn that way. :)
 

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It's possible that if I had just sprung for a little better quality up front, it would have gone quicker and cost me the same or even less. But I'm stubborn that way. :)



Well, you do have to consider the value of enjoying something of your own design and making.
 

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Jack,

Inspiring and beautifully planned, an inspiration for certain!

About the Vestil lift...I understand that you found it for a great price but do you have any fears that the brand isn't highly regarded? I, also, have an air-cooled car and have been looking into flush mount lifts but I fear getting one that may not hold up over time.
Thanks! - Wilson
 
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mnwebb, I haven't heard of issues with Vestil products -- have you? They're an old, family-owned company from Indiana. Mine has performed without a glitch.
 
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Here are a couple of videos. One is for a project I did for my kids' school -- a 'pit' for a dodgeball type game which kids seem to really love, and I had never heard about.




The other was made by an Australian who came to visit Los Angeles and came along with me for a track day at Willow Springs.



 
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:) That's got to be the nicest gaga pit I've seen yet. I like how the panel ends are hidden to prevent splinters. If it weren't for the fact that gaga is one of my kids favorite sports, I too would know nothing about it.
 

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I love the gaga pit/fight club arena!
I thought the halcyon days of dodgeball were gone, so many schools have outlawed any kind of physical fun.
 

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Jack of All Trades, putting those two videos next to each other is a good idea.

I've seen your car as art before, but it was fun to see it as a go-fast tool in action.
 

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That's odd. They work for me. But now I've added a straightforward link underneath each one.

Thanks Jack , enjoyed the Porsche being taken for a "walk" ! Thanks also for taking a fellow Aussie on the track. I could tell you were embarrassed in the final moments of the video , but , hey , it's true you are awesome ! ( err... too much ? ) .... nah ! :bounce:

Us Aussies will tell you to your face what is and isn"t !!
 

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Here are a couple of videos. One is for a project I did for my kids' school -- a 'pit' for a dodgeball type game which kids seem to really love, and I had never heard about.





The first rule about fight club is WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!

I had no idea this was a thing. They still have regular old dodge ball here with the soft foam balls not the rubber kind.

Brian
 
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Kind of a cool part-time job

In front of me, there's a sea of brightly-colored Porsches – all the latest 2017 models – about 80 in total. The majority are 911s and Caymans. And I don't think they keep any of the base models here at all -- so the most mild 911 in the group is the 420-hp Carrera S. And it goes up from there, to the Turbo S and GT3RS models. There are Boxsters and Caymans from the S models up to the GT4.

And at this point, I've been driving them for HOURS. And it's not parading around city streets – I've been on the seven ‘modules' of the Porsche Experience Center all day today and for the better part of five days. I came in thinking that learning this stuff would be pretty simple, since I've been driving and racing on road courses for 17 years. But this isn't like any race track. There's a high-speed 'handling circuit,' sure, but then there are also several low-friction modules where the car's tires break away from the pavement at much lower speeds than even on wet asphalt. In fact, they've got the most-slippery friction circle I've ever been on (polished concrete, smooth epoxy, and then a layer of water), there's an 'ice hill' where the same smooth surface is set on a 7-degree incline (with a hairpin turn at the end!), and there's also one of just two 'kick plate modules' in North America, where a hydraulically-activated plate sends you into a spin the instant you drive over it – and it's up to you (again on the wet, epoxy-coated concrete) to countersteer quickly enough to recover as you slide along on the what could also be described as a huge slip-and-slide for cars.

There's a low-friction handling circuit which is like one of those powdered slick-tracks for go-karts – except this one is for cars. As you get more comfortable on it, you can connect the corners with the rear end out and the tires spinning.

Driving as long as I have, I never imagined I had so much to learn. But the first thing I came face to face with here was the fact that I had done all of my driving education in a fairly narrow groove. I'm pretty good on a road course, especially Willow Springs. But I was an absolute neophyte when it came to drifting an all-wheel-drive 911 in a circle (with the wheels pointed right to the center of that circle? What?).

How did I get here? It was an odd series of events that led up to it, but the short answer is that it's a new, part-time job. No, I'm not leaving writing. But one or two days a week you might find me here -- instructing, coaching – guiding people around the handling circuit, through insane, launch-controlled attacks on the 3/4-mile straight, and learning to manage oversteer like Vin Diesel's stunt double.

The training part of it was an incredible amount of fun. Being back at the keyboard now, it kind of feels like a dream. But it's a real place – and the activity there just never stops. It's awesome.

(I may get in trouble for editing together a video to show you the facility, so this might disappear if Porsche or the music's copyright owner tells me to take it down. Lettuce Creative shot many of the cool overhead drone shots.)



 

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Re: Kind of a cool part-time job

I was retired, but then they opened this road course real close to home. It has the steepest vertical grade of any road course in North America. There is 510' of overall elevation change. It is like a roller coaster. I'm now on staff as a consultant. Palmer Motorsports Park, Palmer MA.

It is my new home away from home. And yes, I became a member as well.

Just as you, I'm a pretty lucky guy. Enjoy!

The 993's, BMW, GT3 and Yamahas get regular exercise, often with only one or two others.

Wish we had a skid pad.

Have a great fourth!
 

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Re: Kind of a cool part-time job

You DO know that it's illegal to have a job that you actually like, don't you?
 

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Re: Kind of a cool part-time job

In front of me, there's a sea of brightly-colored Porsches – all the latest 2017 models – about 80 in total. The majority are 911s and Caymans. And I don't think they keep any of the base models here at all -- so the most mild 911 in the group is the 420-hp Carrera S. And it goes up from there, to the Turbo S and GT3RS models. There are Boxsters and Caymans from the S models up to the GT4.

Very cool. I don't suppose they'll let you take a spin in any of those historic race cars, will they? It would be fun to try out that 917. :)
 

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Re: Kind of a cool part-time job

It seems you're working yourself too hard.
I know you're just doing it for your family with no regard for yourself.

Just don't overdo it.
 

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That's awesome If Porsche gives you static have them call me i'll fix that
 
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